I think generally flying is somewhat safe. I heard somewhere that the odds of being infected is something like 1 in 4000. This changes knowing that the possibility exists that Cam has infected another player or more and we just don't know it yet.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
yep, exactly.
Truebluey
Footballguy
These guys are taking tremendous risks all for the sake of entertaining us.
Shaming them for contracting a highly virulent virus that has infected over 100 million is not helpful.
The NFL and every team will be double checking protocols this week, but no protocol is perfect if exposure with others is demanded.
On the Titans note, we were talking this morning and I wouldn't be surprised to see massive punishment if it's found they weren't following the rules. League will make an example and Titans have little political clout among owners.
Who is "shaming" them? You think it makes no difference how he contracted the virus? Do you think the league should call off the investigation into the Titans?
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Footballguy
I'm not taking the risk. I'm benching Kelce and CEH (for Schultz and Hines). I also cut Butker (normally I stream kickers but I lucked into Butker this year and was planning to keep him).
If I wasn't 3-0 I'd probably leave them in the lineup but I don't need the win and I'd rather not sweat it out for the next 36 hours.
If I wasn't 3-0 I'd probably leave them in the lineup but I don't need the win and I'd rather not sweat it out for the next 36 hours.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Well, Joe, you were the one who was speculating “I just don't know that's the case.“ I haven’t seen any reports he was, say, hanging out at a charity event with no masks or social distancing. Maybe I missed something?
My presumption is you’re not giving him a pass because of his past behavior. That honestly doesn’t seem relevant when it comes to a discussion about infectious diseases.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I am still hearing that there are NE players freaked out over the situation and there has been some media speculation that some players might refuse to fly with the team and play in the game. I have no idea if there is anything behind that, but several beat guys said they talked to / texted some NE players and they were not in favor of playing.
I am sure there are plenty of things happening behind the scenes and behind closed doors that the general public and media are not aware of on this. At this point, it would stand to reason NE is pulling for more positive tests to get the game pushed off to another week instead.
There is way too much information that has not come out to have a better sense of what is going on . . . first and foremost whether Cam is having symptoms or not, and secondarily where did Cam get it from.
As to your question, I think there is a greater chance that a player on either the Chiefs or Patriots tests positive either tonight or tomorrow than there is of them playing tomorrow. But we don't know if only one more positive test would cause the came to be moved to another week. So I might say 50% another player tests positive and 40% the game is played tomorrow.
That sets up a bigger problem for NE, as players starting to test positive at the beginning of the week and further into the week would put their Week 5 match up in doubt as well.
Doug B
Footballguy
Regarding the red: We don't have enough information yet to have a meaningful opinion. Cam might have caught it visiting a children's hospital while wearing PPE. He might have caught it clubbing. Probably something else. We just don't know.
Regarding the blue: Similar parameters. The league should at least finish its investigation, and then we as fans can evaluate and form a meaningful opinion.
Doug B
Footballguy
jurrassic
Footballguy
It could be a great matchup, it could not happen, or NE could just run the ball 40 times
He's got a "past behavior" with acting responsibly or not with Covid? Sorry but no idea what you're talking about. I'll drop this one.
Titans probably should try to adopt the "Don't investigate us as that would be shaming" strategy.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Or NE could refuse to play. I have already seen one article wondering if that is an option and I have heard a radio discussion on the same thing. NE has had vocal players strongly suggesting they have no interest in playing this week. NE had the most opt outs in the league. I don't think it would happen, but there is a minimal chance it could happen. Then what? If NE feels they aren't going to win anyway playing Hoyer and a bunch of guys refuse to play, maybe they just take a forfeit . . . which I am pretty sure is not covered in ANY fantasy league rules. What rules would apply and how would leagues handle that? After the fact, could owners get to insert replacements? That would get to be a whole lot of messy.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Are you implying that he was a higher risk or at-risk player because of his personality and energy? I'm curious more than anything, I hadn't thought about it in that way.
I doubt players get upset with Cam and I personally don't think it's directly his fault unless they can pin it to something like he ate at a restaurant indoors and was around others not wearing masks.
I'm not mad at Cam, disappointed we are robbed of a great game tomorrow night but I feel like if we are going to continue on this season we have to try and bend to our own internal rules or ideas and try to be flexible.
I think I built a great redraft team, would stink if we have to pull the plug but we knew what we signed up for and that the season was likely going to have hiccups and interruptions.
Also wanted to add that this board continues to be a beacon during rough waters or times. It still is a place to find some comfort and find other like minded individuals, you and the FBG crew should get a nod or tip of the cap from the loyal posters that are still here, allowing for immediate feedback, it's all been said many times but thanks JB.
NFL players should be taking extra precautions this year. I don't think they should be doing charity events or visiting kids in hospitals right now. They shouldn't be going anywhere but home after work. They also shouldn't be going to restaurants or doing any shopping. It should all be delivered. This is the only way this is gonna work. Somebody did something wrong here. This is a highly contagious virus but if you are taking the proper safety measures the odds go way down that you will get it. There is usually a logical reason why someone was infected...Not wearing a mask, in close proximity to people, going to bars, restaurants, casinos etc.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
What percent chance would you say it is that the game goes forward and NE refuses to play?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I believe JB is asking if Cam is getting heat for stepping out and doing something he shouldn't have . . . going to a party, not wearing a facemask, not sticking with his teammates, etc. I have yet to hear a peep about Cam, whether that be if he is displaying any symptoms, if they are contract tracing to see who he came in contact with in and outside of the NE organization, if he did not adhere to league protocols, etc. It seems really odd that Cam is the only one to test positive but even odder that the media isn't grilling people for more information. One would think that someone would have more info by this point.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
If the game goes forward (I already gave my opinion on that), I don't actually see NE straight out refusing to play. I think they will have already argued that with the league and if the league says too bad, play it as it lies, then the Patriots will reluctantly play.
But I do think it is possible some NE players may not make the trip or want to play. Maybe they will show up on the injury report, maybe they are inactive, etc. So maybe BB could role out a bunch of scrubs and guys from the practice squad to treat it like a preseason game and have the Patriots lose 52-3 on national TV. Both to not show anything to KC or the rest of the teams in the league and to basically stick it to the league for making them play and putting them in a really tough situation.
What will be interesting is if there are guys that really, really are adverse to playing if BB forces them to play. That could get a bit dicey.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
If the league comes down hard on the Titans but not the Raiders, it will send the wrong message. They will basically be saying "It's only cheating if somebody gets hurt."
themeistersinger
Footballguy
I think one random guy on a team (like Cam at this point) getting infected is just life. At this point we have no idea of Cam was doing something stupid or acting just as conscientiously as me (hardly ever going out, always wearing a mask in any indoors situation). I would say that going to a Children's hospital while wearing all the necessary PPE (which even if the player doesn't care, the hospital would certainly insist on) is NOT irresponsible behavior. Now that places have the PPE they need, infections of hospital staff are now quite unusual - much less than the population at large.
The Titans situation is different. The only thing I would think might be an out would be if the most likely cause of multiple infections was everybody on the sideline. The players are all bunched together, and nobody is wearing a mask. They sit next to each other to discuss strategy and tactics. They celebrate big plays. They stand next to their friends for an entire series while the other side is on the field.
If they were violating any protocols on the sideline, we would already know about it, since it was in full view of everybody. But if it happened during the week at the team facility, or worse at some team party or some such, then we would assume they did not follow the protocols properly.
Now of course innocent until proven guilty. I know the league and NFLPA are investigating, and I'm willing to see what they find before making a judgment.
The Titans situation is different. The only thing I would think might be an out would be if the most likely cause of multiple infections was everybody on the sideline. The players are all bunched together, and nobody is wearing a mask. They sit next to each other to discuss strategy and tactics. They celebrate big plays. They stand next to their friends for an entire series while the other side is on the field.
If they were violating any protocols on the sideline, we would already know about it, since it was in full view of everybody. But if it happened during the week at the team facility, or worse at some team party or some such, then we would assume they did not follow the protocols properly.
Now of course innocent until proven guilty. I know the league and NFLPA are investigating, and I'm willing to see what they find before making a judgment.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Part of the potential problem is testing positive is a lagging indicator. It usually takes 3-7 days (occasionally less or more) for players to test positive after they were exposed. But they could still be contagious and spreading the virus before they test positive. So it could easily happen that no one else on NE tests positive until after the game with the Chiefs. The Patriots could go on to have a dozen people infected and then they just passed it off to the Chiefs. The problem is, there is no way of knowing that until after the game has been already played. That's why the league really needs other people to start testing positive before the KC-NE game.
That's also why the CDC's protocols are for people exposed to someone known COVID positive should isolate for 14 days. People who test positive need to isolate for 10 days. But the NFL basically has not gone with the CDC's exposure recommendations and only have rules for people with positive test results. Bottom line, in general, testing negative only really means you haven't tested positive yet (which is why people are supposed to isolate).
Maybe Cam is just one random guy on a team that tested positive (like the player from ATL last week). But we don't have enough information yet to know if that is a high probability outcome. We would know more if Cam has symptoms or is asymptomatic. But that has not been reported yet.
Not sure if its been mentioned or not but I heard one radio sports guy (colin cowherd maybe?) say that the NFL has now requested that the teams stay at hotels for the remainder of the season and the ball is now in the players associations hands to respond. I think this was friday.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Agree it makes sense. It didn't happen though because:
1. Players hate it and the league didn't feel like it was something they could get when it came to asking the players to do it.
2. It's expensive. You're talking 150 people per team x 32 teams at a super nice hotel for 3 months.
At some point, it becomes worth the cost.
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