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Went to the new "No Tipping" restaurant in Detroit (1 Viewer)

What would you do if an electrician did a ####ty job in your house?  A plumber?  A lawn maintenance company?  A handyman? List goes on and on......
Yea - I don't get this whole line of thinking. People act liek ##### all the time and complain to employers. If the argument has merit, the employer deals with his employee in myriad ways. If the complainer is in fact just being a ####, than the employer can tell them go pound sand

 
What would you do if an electrician did a ####ty job in your house?  A plumber?  A lawn maintenance company?  A handyman? List goes on and on......
are they self employed or in a company ?

because there are work guarantee's for goods and/or services that you can lean back on 

you can't take back crap waiter/waitress service, once its given its given 

I'm not saying it can't work, I could see some issues with the restaurants and their employee's/services given though and maybe it'll work brilliantly. Time will tell

 
I just want to a bunch of these restaurants.  In France and Belgium.

The service was slower (particularly im Belgium. Not sure why), but by no means was it bad service.  It just means that your meal takes longer and you should take that time to relax... Have some wine, enjoy the company. If you want a quick meal, get a döner on the street.

Restaurants with bad service get bad reviews and fewer customers. I.much prefer this system where a tip is meaningful instead of 15% being seen as stingy.

 
are they self employed or in a company ?

because there are work guarantee's for goods and/or services that you can lean back on 

you can't take back crap waiter/waitress service, once its given its given 

I'm not saying it can't work, I could see some issues with the restaurants and their employee's/services given though and maybe it'll work brilliantly. Time will tell
Which is it?  You can or can't take it back?  It seems rather straight forward. 

 
are they self employed or in a company ?

because there are work guarantee's for goods and/or services that you can lean back on 

you can't take back crap waiter/waitress service, once its given its given 

I'm not saying it can't work, I could see some issues with the restaurants and their employee's/services given though and maybe it'll work brilliantly. Time will tell
I think you guys are both confusing "the work" and "the service". I'd argue in both cases, restaurant vs some home repair you have protection on "the work" the actual food you are eating or the quality of the plumbing in your house. In either case you aren't required to pay until the food or plumbing meets your expectations. "The service" is where you wouldn't have the protection in either case. If your plumber was rude, left a dirty worksite, wasn't pleasant, as long as he correctly did the work, you'd still be expected to pay the full price, and your only recourse would be complaints to the owner, or bad reviews online or to friends. 

I think that model can work just as well in restaurants as it does with home services where highly rated places can keep good service along with quality work.

 
are they self employed or in a company ?

because there are work guarantee's for goods and/or services that you can lean back on 

you can't take back crap waiter/waitress service, once its given its given 
This doesn’t make sense imo. If there’s something wrong with your good, any restaurant I’ve ever been to will refund the money or fix it. The server just takes the order and brings the goods. If they are slow or rude or whatever, that can’t be taken back but neither can a slow or rude plumber, cable repairman, grocery cashier, etc. I don’t see the difference.

 
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Also I really want to check this place out, it’s in my top 5-10 Detroit restaurants I still need to visit. I just keep going back Flowers of Vietnam though. 

 
This doesn’t make sense imo. If there’s something wrong with your good, any restaurant I’ve ever been to will refund the money or fix it. The server just takes the order and brings the goods. If they are slow or rude or whatever, that can’t be taken back but neither can a slow or rude plumber, cable repairman, grocery cashier, etc. I don’t see the difference.
Well, for one thing, I'd never eat anything served to me by a plumber. 

 
I've said this before, tipping is an antiquated practice of backward countries. Employers need to pay their employees fairly and not expect customers to be guilted into making up the balance.

 
I just want to a bunch of these restaurants.  In France and Belgium.

The service was slower (particularly im Belgium. Not sure why), but by no means was it bad service.  It just means that your meal takes longer and you should take that time to relax... Have some wine, enjoy the company. If you want a quick meal, get a döner on the street.

Restaurants with bad service get bad reviews and fewer customers. I.much prefer this system where a tip is meaningful instead of 15% being seen as stingy.
Nobody tips the döner guy...

 
yes and no

a salaried employee with benefits etc is not as easy to fire in some states and with the investment in full time employee's like that, its not like they are as easily interchangeable as they are the way the system is set right now. 

maybe it can work that way too - imagine though being a server/waiter and a table is just a bunch of a-holes .... and they complain and really you as the server cannot make them happy and instead of stiffing you for a tip (like they would right now) they get the manager involved and you get fired for the situation

I'm just sayin - I can see the benefits of such a system and I also try to see all the negatives too 
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t believe the no tipping leads to added benefits for the waitstaff. Don’t see how any employer would favor that

 
I do think it's interesting how we as society break down the division on who we give tips to and who we don't. 

A lot of it is the lack of transparency for which workers are working at a "normal" wage and which are working at the super low wage plus tips. 

Danny Meyer, who's one of the most successful restauranteurs in the world is doing more no tipping policy at his NYC restaurants. Union Square Cafe does this and I've been twice in the last year and the service was outstanding. I did feel a little weird about it though. Adding a nice gratuity is a way for the customer to say thanks if the service was excellent. i sort of missed being able to do that. I suppose you could leave a cash tip in addition but that's not always convenient. 

I have read a good bit about this and it seems the restaurant industry isn't totally unified on this. It's an interesting situation. 
It’s also very cultural. Certain cultures and countries don’t do tipping at all (eg Japan) while others do it differently. 

 
I think you guys are both confusing "the work" and "the service". I'd argue in both cases, restaurant vs some home repair you have protection on "the work" the actual food you are eating or the quality of the plumbing in your house. In either case you aren't required to pay until the food or plumbing meets your expectations. "The service" is where you wouldn't have the protection in either case. If your plumber was rude, left a dirty worksite, wasn't pleasant, as long as he correctly did the work, you'd still be expected to pay the full price, and your only recourse would be complaints to the owner, or bad reviews online or to friends. 

I think that model can work just as well in restaurants as it does with home services where highly rated places can keep good service along with quality work.
In either case, the recourse is exactly the same.  Which is you simply speak with your pocketbook and don't use that person, company, restaurant again if you don't like the product OR service.  Taking tipping away doesn't change any of that.  That's my point.

 
I have been to several no-tip restaurants or coffee shops. I think this concern is way overstated. The service at these places was on par, if not better than many traditional restaurants.

It also is fascinating to me that we don't expect a lesser service of every other service type profession that isn't paid mainyl by tips. I have had electricians and plumbers in and through my house the past several weeks and their service didn't suck, and I definitely didn't tip them
My old man tips plumbers and electricians.  He tips everyone.  I think he may be La Cosa Nostra.  That's kinda German and Irish, right?

 
The incentive for doing a good job is getting to keep your job. I don't know why workers in some countries feel so entitled.

 

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