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"We're just gonna come out and play hard and hopefully (1 Viewer)

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http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/wilbur/s...log/2007/12/10/

It won't quite be reminiscent of the 1940 NFL Championship Game, when the Bears beat the Redskins, 73-0, but ... well, actually maybe it will.

The Patriots are an early 24 1/2-point favorite to beat the Jets on Sunday in Foxborough, and a few Internet sites had the Patriots as much as a 27-point favorite. You'd still be crazy to lay cash on the Jets.

Fourteen weeks ago, Eric Mangini sold out his former master, tarnishing the name of Bill Belichick and the Patriots in the wake of spygate and bringing upon the NFL the merciless team of perfection that anxiously awaits his arrival.

As the New York Daily News' Gary Myers puts it, "Eric Mangini and the Jets will get a greeting in Foxborough next Sunday in the Revenge For Spygate that's going to make A-Rod feel like Red Sox fans throw him a ticker tape parade every time he steps to the plate at Fenway Park."

It's not a question of whether the Patriots will win, but by how much. At what point does Randy Moss pick up the phone and call in the National Guard, a la Shannon Sharpe?

Now that the Steelers and Anthony Smith's worthless guarantee have been cast aside with yesterday's 34-13 Patriots victory, only a trio of teams stand in the way of the NFL's first perfect regular season since the 1972 Dolphins (have you heard?), and the next two are a combined 3-23 on the season.

Three of those wins come from the Jets.

"Somebody from Pittsburgh made a guarantee and that didn't work out too well for them," Jets safety Kerry Rhodes said yesterday after his team fell to the Cleveland Browns, 24-18, a game after which we imagine Romeo Crennel wished Mangini luck with a grin that expressed a knowledge of the carnage to be. "We're just gonna come out and play hard and hopefully not get beat bad."

Notice, not "hopefully win," it was "hopefully not get beat bad." Bad grammar or not, you've got to appreciate Rhodes' realism.

If the Patriots get all bent out of shape over silly little guarantees, imagine what awaits the Jets coach, a man who single-handedly launched the NFL investigation that in some eyes threatened to tarnish the reputation of the three-time champion Patriots. One slipup or lack of respect, and the Patriots have proven they will bury you. What awaits the Jets after everything this team has done in the Belichick era was called into question?

To say this game will be a blowout is ignoring the significance of how brutal a blowout can be. I fear Bob Kravitz might start shaking uncontrollably around the seven-minute mark in the first quarter with accusations of running up the score.

"So what's the over-under on how many points Belichick and Brady want to score next Sunday?" asks Fox's John Czarnecki. "I say the number opens at 56, the Patriots' season high this year. New England will pass New York silly and possibly get Moss to Jerry Rice's single-season touchdown record."

Probably. But what's on tap for the second half?

Tom Brady needs just four touchdown passes to tie Peyton Manning's single-season record, and Moss needs just three to tie Jerry Rice for most receiving TDs in a season, personal goals that no doubt would come as an added bonus against Mangini and the Jets.

Despite what he spouts about team goals over personal accomplishments, it's obvious that singular achievements hold some grain in Belichick's football mind, evidenced by layup opportunities given to folks like Vinny Testaverde and Doug Flutie. Think he wouldn't like to see those highlight reels played for the rest of NFL history with the man who ratted him out on the other sideline?

Not to mention this is the man with whom he had a frosty relationship before the videotaping scandal entered our consciousness, evidenced by the initial handshake-gate last season after the Patriots lost to the Jets, a game that might as well have been played in 1841 for all its current relevance. Now that Mangini has turned the tables on his former boss ... well, it's debatable whether Belichick offers him a debt of gratitude.

Without spygate, the Patriots would still be the class of the AFC East and a Super Bowl contender, but would they have this ultimate chip on their shoulders? Think about how a number of talking heads not only questioned the integrity of the head coach, but the veracity of what those players did in winning three Super Bowls. If you're Brady and Co. and some desk guy has just simplified videotaping hand signals as the reason you've touched Lombardi three times, how badly do you want to show up the rest of the league?

Belichick cheated and got caught and penalized by the NFL, a league that apparently will nowadays penalize you for chewing with your mouth open, putting your pants on one leg at a time, and voting Libertarian. The Patriots lost their first-round draft choice for 2008, a pick that wouldn't have been nearly as good as the one they get from the 3-10 49ers.

And Belichick is laughing all the way. No matter what, the Patriots always win. Always, always, always.

Mangini tried to disrupt the season that awaited his former employer and all he has done is ensure NFL history. In the matter of a few months Mangini has gone from cameo on "The Sopranos" to maybe a bit role in Mercury Morris' latest rap. Mangini managed to give Belichick a few weeks of grief with his accusations, but I think the Pats coach is OK with the 13-0 mark he enjoys rather than the 3-10 of Mangini.

After building up a nifty little resume for himself in New York as savior of the Jets, Mangini has watched his sophomore season backfire, highlighted by the one move that might ultimately mar his own career.

In the days following the incident, the New York Times' Selena Roberts wrote:

There is Coach Hoodie, and then there is Coach Hoodwink.

Coach Hoodie is the Patriots' Bill Belichick. He answers with growls, is hardwired to be ruthless, and would have lost a congeniality contest to the dearly departed Leona Helmsley. He comes as is: obsessive, cold, and brazen enough to have cheated with his video spy games out in the open of a sideline.

Coach Hoodwink is the Jets' Eric Mangini. He replies to questions in his library voice, visits Sesame Street in his downtime and readily reveals his soft, fatherly side. He comes off as duplicitous: paranoid, brutal, and nakedly ambitious enough to have double-crossed the organization that nurtured his career.

Mangini didn't just flip on Belichick, costing his former mentor a celebrated image that has been reflected in a shelf-full of Lombardi Trophies, as well as a $500,000 fine and a prime draft pick. He did more. He also humiliated the respected Patriots owner and league power player Robert K. Kraft.

That sin has left Mangini toxic to some team executives. After all, would you trust him? Is there anyone - a player, assistant, general manager, owner or mascot - that he wouldn't betray in a pinch?

Of course, this story line will be beaten to a pulp by the time Sunday rolls around, but any lingering question as to whether the Patriots will actually be able to put up 50-plus on New York is already dead. It will be one of the rare instances in the NFL in which "Any Given Sunday" is tossed away prior to the game. A forfeit would probably be better served -- and less embarrassing -- for the Jets franchise than actually showing up on Route One.

The 1998 Broncos and 2005 Colts both fell in their attempts to go 14-0, losing to the 5-8 Giants and the 8-5 Chargers, respectively. With a win Sunday, the Patriots can join the Dolphins and the 1934 Bears as the only teams to make it to 14-0, crush Manning's and Rice's records, and rub Mangini's face in the trouble he sparked. As for 73-0, well, let's not get crazy. They've set every other record this season, but it remains illogical to expect such an output on Sunday.

Of course, I wouldn't discount it either.
Whats the consensus on this? It seems like he's giving up before the game even starts... this isn't something you want to hear a team leader like Rhodes say. He probably should have said "We're gonna play our best because they are the best" or something along those lines, but "...hopefully not get beat bad." isn't something I want one of my best players saying.
 
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I wasn't there so I didn't see his tone or facial expression but I get the feeling he was being sarcastic. I don't think there is a player in the NFL who concedes defeat before the game and if they do they probably wouldn't be employed long if they didn't keep their mouth shut.

 
I wasn't there so I didn't see his tone or facial expression but I get the feeling he was being sarcastic. I don't think there is a player in the NFL who concedes defeat before the game and if they do they probably wouldn't be employed long if they didn't keep their mouth shut.
I didn't see/hear this when he said it, but I strongly suspect it was done sarcastically. First of all, he starts by referencing Anthony Smith's guarantee, so he's going the opposite way deliberately. Second, this is Kerry Rhodes talking...the guy is one of the best young safeties in the game and if he's not a leader on that D already, he will be soon. He doesn't come across as one to be serious with such a meek comment.
 
I wasn't there so I didn't see his tone or facial expression but I get the feeling he was being sarcastic. I don't think there is a player in the NFL who concedes defeat before the game and if they do they probably wouldn't be employed long if they didn't keep their mouth shut.
I didn't see/hear this when he said it, but I strongly suspect it was done sarcastically. First of all, he starts by referencing Anthony Smith's guarantee, so he's going the opposite way deliberately. Second, this is Kerry Rhodes talking...the guy is one of the best young safeties in the game and if he's not a leader on that D already, he will be soon. He doesn't come across as one to be serious with such a meek comment.
we have a winnerplus. do you really want to encourage Moss to show you up? not that he needs encouragement
 
Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.

 
Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
Come on. It's Boston. Have you ever listened to their sports media? It's like they live on another planet normally and I imagine it's 10x worse this year.
 
At this point, the biggest form of motivation for the Pats is a perfect record and the personal scoring records. Besides, any kind of guarantee from a losing team would be laughed at.

Yes, the spygate thing will contribute - so there is no more room for ANY KIND of motivation. They have officially maxed out. These threads are rediculous!

Funny how last year's motivational ploy was "no respect". Boy how things have changed.

 
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Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
Come on. It's Boston. Have you ever listened to their sports media? It's like they live on another planet normally and I imagine it's 10x worse this year.
I have to admit that I haven't. I will give the fans credit for their passion, though. Seriously.I just find the continued usage of terms like "ratted out", "double crossed", "turncoat", etc. laughable. So when Mangini took the job, was he supposed to continue to have New England's interests as his #1 priority? The demonization of Mangini and the Jets organization is astounding. It's like Karl Rove took over the publicity for the Patriots on this. How the Jets became the bad guys is something I find hard to even comprehend. I guess they weren't supposed to look out for themselves or any other team in the league that was following the rules. :thumbdown:
 
Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
Come on. It's Boston. Have you ever listened to their sports media? It's like they live on another planet normally and I imagine it's 10x worse this year.
I have to admit that I haven't. I will give the fans credit for their passion, though. Seriously.I just find the continued usage of terms like "ratted out", "double crossed", "turncoat", etc. laughable. So when Mangini took the job, was he supposed to continue to have New England's interests as his #1 priority? The demonization of Mangini and the Jets organization is astounding. It's like Karl Rove took over the publicity for the Patriots on this. How the Jets became the bad guys is something I find hard to even comprehend. I guess they weren't supposed to look out for themselves or any other team in the league that was following the rules. :lmao:
In the days following the incident, the New York Times' Selena Roberts wrote:

There is Coach Hoodie, and then there is Coach Hoodwink.

Coach Hoodie is the Patriots' Bill Belichick. He answers with growls, is hardwired to be ruthless, and would have lost a congeniality contest to the dearly departed Leona Helmsley. He comes as is: obsessive, cold, and brazen enough to have cheated with his video spy games out in the open of a sideline.

Coach Hoodwink is the Jets' Eric Mangini. He replies to questions in his library voice, visits Sesame Street in his downtime and readily reveals his soft, fatherly side. He comes off as duplicitous: paranoid, brutal, and nakedly ambitious enough to have double-crossed the organization that nurtured his career.
The bolded stuff is funny when read together.Personally, I have no problem with Mangini's actions and I hope he is able to right the ship in New York. I still think of him as Belichick's apprentice in terms of wanting him to do well, as with Crennel and Weiss.

 
Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
Come on. It's Boston. Have you ever listened to their sports media? It's like they live on another planet normally and I imagine it's 10x worse this year.
I have to admit that I haven't. I will give the fans credit for their passion, though. Seriously.

I just find the continued usage of terms like "ratted out", "double crossed", "turncoat", etc. laughable. So when Mangini took the job, was he supposed to continue to have New England's interests as his #1 priority? The demonization of Mangini and the Jets organization is astounding. It's like Karl Rove took over the publicity for the Patriots on this. How the Jets became the bad guys is something I find hard to even comprehend. I guess they weren't supposed to look out for themselves or any other team in the league that was following the rules. :hifive:
I'm not buying this. The allegations against Belichick went back several years, which would mean that Mangini knew about the cheating. Why didn't he report Belichick back then? Because when it served him he was cool with it. He was slingshot into a great position by the very success that his allegations called into question. IF he had come out a year or two ago and said "My conscience can't bear it, we cheated" then I wouldn't call him a rat, I'd respect his principles. To me it says something about Mangini that he wouldn't keep this kind of thing in house after being part of it. I may have lost respect for Belichick after all of this but after this year I certainly don't question his genius. I think I've lost a little respect for Mangini.

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Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
lol @ the notion that Mangini didn't know about the cameras until he went to another team.
 
Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
Come on. It's Boston. Have you ever listened to their sports media? It's like they live on another planet normally and I imagine it's 10x worse this year.
I have to admit that I haven't. I will give the fans credit for their passion, though. Seriously.I just find the continued usage of terms like "ratted out", "double crossed", "turncoat", etc. laughable. So when Mangini took the job, was he supposed to continue to have New England's interests as his #1 priority? The demonization of Mangini and the Jets organization is astounding. It's like Karl Rove took over the publicity for the Patriots on this. How the Jets became the bad guys is something I find hard to even comprehend. I guess they weren't supposed to look out for themselves or any other team in the league that was following the rules. :football:
But the Jets weren't "following the rules" either, apparently. There have been reports that the Pats had a Jets cameraman removed from the sidelines last season in Foxborough.
 
Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
Come on. It's Boston. Have you ever listened to their sports media? It's like they live on another planet normally and I imagine it's 10x worse this year.
I have to admit that I haven't. I will give the fans credit for their passion, though. Seriously.I just find the continued usage of terms like "ratted out", "double crossed", "turncoat", etc. laughable. So when Mangini took the job, was he supposed to continue to have New England's interests as his #1 priority? The demonization of Mangini and the Jets organization is astounding. It's like Karl Rove took over the publicity for the Patriots on this. How the Jets became the bad guys is something I find hard to even comprehend. I guess they weren't supposed to look out for themselves or any other team in the league that was following the rules. :football:
It's not really hard to understand if you follow Boston vs. New York for the last 100 years. These two cities sports-wise, don't like each other, and the Boston media will try to unearth anything they can locally but if venom comes from outside of the region, they typically join in with the Boston mass mindset of us vs. the World. I do think Eric Mangini is a rat. That's the definition of what a rat is. Are snitches usually telling on someone for the right reasons? Usually, yes. But from what I understand is there is a lot of things done in the NFL that is handled hush-hush and this may have been one of them. History will decide how severe a violation the filming of opponents hand signals were.
 
I'm just trying to visualize what the Jets game preparations will be like this week.-QG
The Jets use a lot of Boxing analogies and have Teddy Atlas on staff...I'd imagine the Jets are going to be FIRED UP as can be....And a lot of the pregame talk is going to be about "HAVING A SHOT AT THE CHAMP".....Like a boxer they have an OPPORTUNITY this week.....A Puncher's chance at greatness.I'd bet that as a Team they are relishing the chance and having a lot of fun this week.
 
I'm just trying to visualize what the Jets game preparations will be like this week.-QG
The Jets use a lot of Boxing analogies and have Teddy Atlas on staff...I'd imagine the Jets are going to be FIRED UP as can be....And a lot of the pregame talk is going to be about "HAVING A SHOT AT THE CHAMP".....Like a boxer they have an OPPORTUNITY this week.....A Puncher's chance at greatness.I'd bet that as a Team they are relishing the chance and having a lot of fun this week.
JACKED UP
 
Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
lol @ the notion that Mangini didn't know about the cameras until he went to another team.
Who said that? I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth. Perhaps I should have said "When he discovered New England cheating on his field that day...", but since it's been beaten to death around here, I figured that's not really necessary.
 
Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
Come on. It's Boston. Have you ever listened to their sports media? It's like they live on another planet normally and I imagine it's 10x worse this year.
I have to admit that I haven't. I will give the fans credit for their passion, though. Seriously.I just find the continued usage of terms like "ratted out", "double crossed", "turncoat", etc. laughable. So when Mangini took the job, was he supposed to continue to have New England's interests as his #1 priority? The demonization of Mangini and the Jets organization is astounding. It's like Karl Rove took over the publicity for the Patriots on this. How the Jets became the bad guys is something I find hard to even comprehend. I guess they weren't supposed to look out for themselves or any other team in the league that was following the rules. :lmao:
But the Jets weren't "following the rules" either, apparently. There have been reports that the Pats had a Jets cameraman removed from the sidelines last season in Foxborough.
Link? And was this before or after the memo that was sent out by the league specifically warning against this behavior?
 
Should he guarantee a victory like the idiot from the Steelers?
Exactly. The guy is being smart by not giving them any more motivation than they already have. I think it is funny. That said, I would not be shocked if the Jets lost by 30, but it will have nothing to do with Rhodes and his lack of effort or anything of that nature.
 
Nothing wrong with what Rhodes said. Don't give the Patriots any bulletin board material. Even though they don't really need any for this game, still just being prudent.

 
Rhodes isn't too often in the press but everytime I enjoy reading what he says. He's a pretty down to earth kinda guy.

He's a competitor, no way he's given up already. He has a knack for getting his hands on the football so there's little doubt in my mind that Brady is reviewing some of his work on tape this week. Last year, I would venture a guess that no other NFL player had more game changing plays than Rhodes. He's no Polamalu just that everything went his way. Through all that he was never too proud or arrogant or anything and....I just like reading about this guy. He seems like a fun guy to be around.

 
Mangini is a clever clever DC when he wants to be(apparently not every week). I'm a little worried about his schemes this week but absolutely think the Pats will manhandle the Jets. It's just such a favorable matchup.

 
Shrek said:
Workhorse said:
Shrek said:
jonessed said:
Shrek said:
Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
Come on. It's Boston. Have you ever listened to their sports media? It's like they live on another planet normally and I imagine it's 10x worse this year.
I have to admit that I haven't. I will give the fans credit for their passion, though. Seriously.I just find the continued usage of terms like "ratted out", "double crossed", "turncoat", etc. laughable. So when Mangini took the job, was he supposed to continue to have New England's interests as his #1 priority? The demonization of Mangini and the Jets organization is astounding. It's like Karl Rove took over the publicity for the Patriots on this. How the Jets became the bad guys is something I find hard to even comprehend. I guess they weren't supposed to look out for themselves or any other team in the league that was following the rules. :shrug:
But the Jets weren't "following the rules" either, apparently. There have been reports that the Pats had a Jets cameraman removed from the sidelines last season in Foxborough.
Link? And was this before or after the memo that was sent out by the league specifically warning against this behavior?
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7547316
 
Reaper said:
QuizGuy66 said:
I'm just trying to visualize what the Jets game preparations will be like this week.-QG
The Jets use a lot of Boxing analogies and have Teddy Atlas on staff...I'd imagine the Jets are going to be FIRED UP as can be....And a lot of the pregame talk is going to be about "HAVING A SHOT AT THE CHAMP".....Like a boxer they have an OPPORTUNITY this week.....A Puncher's chance at greatness.I'd bet that as a Team they are relishing the chance and having a lot of fun this week.
From this little anecdote we can assume that the Jets are going to punch the Patriots right in the mouth.
 
Reaper said:
QuizGuy66 said:
I'm just trying to visualize what the Jets game preparations will be like this week.-QG
The Jets use a lot of Boxing analogies and have Teddy Atlas on staff...I'd imagine the Jets are going to be FIRED UP as can be....And a lot of the pregame talk is going to be about "HAVING A SHOT AT THE CHAMP".....Like a boxer they have an OPPORTUNITY this week.....A Puncher's chance at greatness.I'd bet that as a Team they are relishing the chance and having a lot of fun this week.
I don't really buy that. Ive played some league sports on BAD BAD teams. Near the end of the season, you're 2-8, the last team you want to see is the 10-0 best team in the league. Like Rhodes said, you're hoping not to get embarrassed. Sure you want to win the game, go kick ###, but you don't have the talent and are getting your ### handed to you weekly. Once the Pats go up 7-0, this game will become a rout very quickly. The Jets just don't have the talent to stay with them. Unlike the Ravens/Eagles.
 
Once the Pats go up 7-0, this game will become a rout very quickly. The Jets just don't have the talent to stay with them. Unlike the Ravens/Eagles.
I would have said the same thing about the Jets vs. Steelers. If there is one thing I've learned from watching the NFL it's that no game is over before the final gun sounds. The Jets may have an extremely small chance of actually winning, but no game in the NFL is a gimme.
 
Reaper said:
QuizGuy66 said:
I'm just trying to visualize what the Jets game preparations will be like this week.-QG
The Jets use a lot of Boxing analogies and have Teddy Atlas on staff...I'd imagine the Jets are going to be FIRED UP as can be....And a lot of the pregame talk is going to be about "HAVING A SHOT AT THE CHAMP".....Like a boxer they have an OPPORTUNITY this week.....A Puncher's chance at greatness.I'd bet that as a Team they are relishing the chance and having a lot of fun this week.
I don't really buy that. Ive played some league sports on BAD BAD teams. Near the end of the season, you're 2-8, the last team you want to see is the 10-0 best team in the league. Like Rhodes said, you're hoping not to get embarrassed. Sure you want to win the game, go kick ###, but you don't have the talent and are getting your ### handed to you weekly. Once the Pats go up 7-0, this game will become a rout very quickly. The Jets just don't have the talent to stay with them. Unlike the Ravens/Eagles.
:shrug: The Jets are just a Terrible football team. They simply suck. It IS comical however to see some fans trying to "get up" for this game.... meh... gluttons for punishment apparently.
 
Reaper said:
QuizGuy66 said:
I'm just trying to visualize what the Jets game preparations will be like this week.-QG
The Jets use a lot of Boxing analogies and have Teddy Atlas on staff...I'd imagine the Jets are going to be FIRED UP as can be....And a lot of the pregame talk is going to be about "HAVING A SHOT AT THE CHAMP".....Like a boxer they have an OPPORTUNITY this week.....A Puncher's chance at greatness.I'd bet that as a Team they are relishing the chance and having a lot of fun this week.
I don't really buy that. Ive played some league sports on BAD BAD teams. Near the end of the season, you're 2-8, the last team you want to see is the 10-0 best team in the league. Like Rhodes said, you're hoping not to get embarrassed. Sure you want to win the game, go kick ###, but you don't have the talent and are getting your ### handed to you weekly. Once the Pats go up 7-0, this game will become a rout very quickly. The Jets just don't have the talent to stay with them. Unlike the Ravens/Eagles.
Meh... The Jets played with Philly and Baltimore and were in both games - The Baltimore Game had about 3 crucial drops at the end with Clemens in his 1st start and the Philly game was up for grabs.The difference between the NFL and your home leagues is that in the NFL it's a job with $$$ tied to it and your Organization is and should be always building towards the goal of a Championship, wether that's this year, the next or the one after that - That's how Mangini coaches and that's how this team has played and attacked each week - They haven't given up - Jobs are at stake. The defense has played better each week and is playing well enough to win games.....Believe me Rhodes isn't worried about being embarrasssed and is going out there like he (they) can win the game.....From what he knows, they played the Pats 4 times in the past 2 years and won 1 game and played 2 really tight games.....Believe me they get UP for this game - this is why they play the game - THIS is fun for these guys and not the drudgery of a home league at this point.
 
Shrek said:
Workhorse said:
Shrek said:
jonessed said:
Shrek said:
Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
Come on. It's Boston. Have you ever listened to their sports media? It's like they live on another planet normally and I imagine it's 10x worse this year.
I have to admit that I haven't. I will give the fans credit for their passion, though. Seriously.I just find the continued usage of terms like "ratted out", "double crossed", "turncoat", etc. laughable. So when Mangini took the job, was he supposed to continue to have New England's interests as his #1 priority? The demonization of Mangini and the Jets organization is astounding. It's like Karl Rove took over the publicity for the Patriots on this. How the Jets became the bad guys is something I find hard to even comprehend. I guess they weren't supposed to look out for themselves or any other team in the league that was following the rules. :fishing:
But the Jets weren't "following the rules" either, apparently. There have been reports that the Pats had a Jets cameraman removed from the sidelines last season in Foxborough.
Link? And was this before or after the memo that was sent out by the league specifically warning against this behavior?
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7547316
Good link, but it sort of disproves your point. Yes, it allegedly happened last season. But the league sent out the memo before the start of this season. The Jets evidently were following the rules this season and were understandably upset that New England chose to ignore the directive. I seriously don't understand what problem anyone besides New England would have with the Jets busting them. It helped everyone else in the league too, especially future NE opponents. If everyone else has to follow the rules (even if, hypothetically, everyone was breaking it previously), why should one team be allowed to continue it? Makes no sense, seriously.
 
Shrek said:
Workhorse said:
Shrek said:
jonessed said:
Shrek said:
Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
Come on. It's Boston. Have you ever listened to their sports media? It's like they live on another planet normally and I imagine it's 10x worse this year.
I have to admit that I haven't. I will give the fans credit for their passion, though. Seriously.I just find the continued usage of terms like "ratted out", "double crossed", "turncoat", etc. laughable. So when Mangini took the job, was he supposed to continue to have New England's interests as his #1 priority? The demonization of Mangini and the Jets organization is astounding. It's like Karl Rove took over the publicity for the Patriots on this. How the Jets became the bad guys is something I find hard to even comprehend. I guess they weren't supposed to look out for themselves or any other team in the league that was following the rules. :hophead:
But the Jets weren't "following the rules" either, apparently. There have been reports that the Pats had a Jets cameraman removed from the sidelines last season in Foxborough.
Link? And was this before or after the memo that was sent out by the league specifically warning against this behavior?
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7547316
Good link, but it sort of disproves your point. Yes, it allegedly happened last season. But the league sent out the memo before the start of this season. The Jets evidently were following the rules this season and were understandably upset that New England chose to ignore the directive. I seriously don't understand what problem anyone besides New England would have with the Jets busting them. It helped everyone else in the league too, especially future NE opponents. If everyone else has to follow the rules (even if, hypothetically, everyone was breaking it previously), why should one team be allowed to continue it? Makes no sense, seriously.
Not sure how it disproves my point unless it's a new rule. Mangini saw an opportunity to rat out his former mentor for an activity that he (most likely) was doing himself.Regardless, if you choose to take this tack, then you can can all the asterisk talk from here on in as well, right? If it happened prior to the memo, it obviously doesn't matter.

 
didn't the Jets beat the Pats late last season, IN NE...not saying they will do it again, but they can win up there..

their only shot, is ball control offense with a heavy dose of TJ, and defensively their front seven needs to play lights out..

on the one hand, I see NE absolutely blowing their doors off, on the other hand, I see Jets playing tougher than most think..

tough call, but I have to go with a NE blowout..

 
Shrek said:
Workhorse said:
Funny how the Boston media still insists on using terms like "Mangini sold out his former boss..." or some variant of it. So apparently, because Hobo was his former boss, when Mangini discovered the cheating, he was just supposed to shut up and deal with it. I just find that skewed perspective strange after this much time. I would have thought it would correct itself. Most of the rest of the media outside of New England has.
Come on. It's Boston. Have you ever listened to their sports media? It's like they live on another planet normally and I imagine it's 10x worse this year.
I have to admit that I haven't. I will give the fans credit for their passion, though. Seriously.I just find the continued usage of terms like "ratted out", "double crossed", "turncoat", etc. laughable. So when Mangini took the job, was he supposed to continue to have New England's interests as his #1 priority? The demonization of Mangini and the Jets organization is astounding. It's like Karl Rove took over the publicity for the Patriots on this. How the Jets became the bad guys is something I find hard to even comprehend. I guess they weren't supposed to look out for themselves or any other team in the league that was following the rules. :goodposting:
But the Jets weren't "following the rules" either, apparently. There have been reports that the Pats had a Jets cameraman removed from the sidelines last season in Foxborough.
Link? And was this before or after the memo that was sent out by the league specifically warning against this behavior?
Should it matter? It was against the rules, even before the memo. I would expect that the masses that have railed against the Patriots transgressions would be just as outraged that another team had done exactly the same thing, even if it hadn't been publicized. Before or after the memo. All hypothetical, of course... I don't have the link.

ETA: I saw the link of the story I had seen posted earlier. So the question is less hypothetical now.

 
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Interesting Nugget..... :unsure:

I'll say one thing.... Starting Clemens was the right thing to do and he needs to learn and experience these type of games and you need to see what he has.... but, to win THIS WEEK, It would be fun if they could use both QB's and slip Clemens in for a deep pattern at times...Just wing it and mix things up a bit..... WHY NOT???? Have some fun.

Start off in ALL OUT CHAD Dink and Dunk mode in the sleet and snow and then BAM!!!!

Link

Belichick questioning Mangini?

By Tom Rock

One of the fun parts of this week is monitoring the comments that fly back and forth between the teams. Seldom are they aimed directly at one another, but there is often some purpose or intent when they are made.

So it's interesting that on his weekly chat with WEEI Monday morning, Bill Belichick brought up Mangini's decision to replace Chad Pennington with Kellen Clemens. Here's the nugget I got after listening to the 39 minutes -- yes, 39 minutes! -- of the show on the weei website:

"They must have a lot of confidence in him because they took out Pennington who is, we know how good Pennington is. Pennington took them to the playoffs last year. Pennington, I think he's an outstanding quarterback, I really do. So for them to feel that confident in Clemens, they must really like what Clemens did."

Hmm. So, what do you think, Jets fans? Is Belichick second-guessing Mangini? Is Belichick maybe trying to stir things up in NY, knowing that creeps like me will write things like this? Would Belichick be interested in acquiring Pennington (who just happens to be close friends with the Patriots' best receiver) as a backup to Brady and an insurance policy? Is that the reason for the glowing review?

Let's hear from all you conspiracy theorists and armchair shrinks out there.

 
I like Rhodes' honesty, and he's smart not to give NE any more motivation than they have.

As for the game, I don't like our chances.

And as for the Boston vs. NY sports theory, as one poster said , if you lived in the North East you'd get it. Both cities with fanatical sports fans. But Boston will always be the lil' brother to NY, hence the obnoxious..."hey, look at me!" attitude of many of the fans. Not all, but a hell of a lot.

Enjoy the post season Pats* fans.

 
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