What a Ted Cruz victory would mean (1 Viewer)

[skol asylum]

Natural born clearly means through the ######l canal. No c-section babies allowed. Since Cruz is one of the pod people he is also disqualified.

 

[drummer]

So I guess this passed through with the Koch Bros. He, Rubio, and Walker were lobbying for cash a while back in Rancho Mirage, CA.

 

[igbomb]

I'm a registered replican, although i would have dropped that if I wasn't too lazy to do so, and the idea of Cruz as president scares the #### out of me. I'd seriously contemplate moving to a foreign country and ride out the storm. He will make bush look awesome.

This. Horrifying idea.

 

[SacramentoBob]

i hate that people like Cruz and Santorum would make me have to root for Hillary.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Havent followed the thread, but Ted Cruz is the president we deserve. We've gotten the president we deserved for as long as i've been alive and we've had the politics we deserve ever since we let it all occur almost no place but on TV. From Crossfire opening the door for FoxNews and turning politics into cartoonnazis v. sissynannies; to more people knowing the color of Monica's dress than the character of Clinton's politik; to Alfred E Bush convincing us that Iraq and shopping was our way to beat back terrorism; to actual Palin candidacies; to Obama telling us he was so concerned about things that this is precisely what he'd do if he actually did stuff - we've let it all sail past us like game shows and series cliffhangers. Now commercials run the country, fascist vitriol is spewed on Wake Up America shows and Kardashians matter. Ted Cruz is precisely the man America deserves for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in 2016. nufced -

 

[ffldrew]

I remember being in Texas during the Senate primary debates and catching his act and thinking - "who is this crazy guy?" .

Then Texas shocked me and elected him....Thanks Texas

 

[pantagrapher]

He's not running out there to win; he's out there to drag the center even farther to the right.

 

[culdeus]

No way he wins, this is just a way to make sure the GOP doesn't lean too left in the primaries without a foil.

Cruz can stay extreme right and then the candidates that do emerge look left enough to be more palatable in the general.

 

[ffldrew]

And of course he has to announce his candidacy at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University. He's a uniter!

 

[roadkill1292]

Since the 2012 election, about three million older voters, 75% of whom opposed gay marriage and marijuana legalization, have departed the rolls. Meanwhile, about 15 million new voters have reached legal age of voting, 75% of whom support gay marriage and marijuana legalization. It's going to take a Republican candidate with unusual skills and appeal to coalesce the "base" and still convince the voting majority that he won't roll back the gains on those issues. Or a Democrat meltdown, not at all impossible.

They'll bluster and rail and then settle on Mitt again, won't they?

 

[pantagrapher]

Since the 2012 election, about three million older voters, 75% of whom opposed gay marriage and marijuana legalization, have departed the rolls. Meanwhile, about 15 million new voters have reached legal age of voting, 75% of whom support gay marriage and marijuana legalization. It's going to take a Republican candidate with unusual skills and appeal to coalesce the "base" and still convince the voting majority that he won't roll back the gains on those issues. Or a Democrat meltdown, not at all impossible.

Or: make it even harder for those new voters to vote.

 

[eoMMan]

Is he a legal citizen? Does he have a green card?

 

[roadkill1292]

Since the 2012 election, about three million older voters, 75% of whom opposed gay marriage and marijuana legalization, have departed the rolls. Meanwhile, about 15 million new voters have reached legal age of voting, 75% of whom support gay marriage and marijuana legalization. It's going to take a Republican candidate with unusual skills and appeal to coalesce the "base" and still convince the voting majority that he won't roll back the gains on those issues. Or a Democrat meltdown, not at all impossible.

Or: make it even harder for those new voters to vote.

I'm referring more to home grown Millennials than I am to immigrants, if I'm reading your meaning correctly. And on the two social issues I mentioned, the Republican base faces an increasingly wide schism with its own young party members.

What we'll see from here on out is candidates giving non-committal lip service to rolling back advances in social liberties, just enough to keep the base from completely eliminating them from contention. After the conventions, the base will be pretty much marginalized because the candidate can't win with a platform of siccing the DEA on Colorado pot shops and telling Kansas bakery shop owners that, no, no, they don't have to make a wedding cake with two men figures on top if they really don't want to. All they'll do is motivate the opposition, which is waiting for precisely that to get the Millennials off their azzes and to the polls.

 

[B-Deep]

I see no reason why if the people of the united states want to elect an immigrant they should not be allowed to do so, so the entire "where was he born" argument is ridiculous to me. We should change the f'n Constitution, but since we cannot even pass the simplest of bills these days the idea of making a simple common sense change to the constiution is like trying to drain the great lakes with an eye dropper

Ted Cruz's birth status means nothing to me, the fact that he is a certifiable loon, that does mean something to me.

 

[roadkill1292]

I see no reason why if the people of the united states want to elect an immigrant they should not be allowed to do so, so the entire "where was he born" argument is ridiculous to me. We should change the f'n Constitution, but since we cannot even pass the simplest of bills these days the idea of making a simple common sense change to the constiution is like trying to drain the great lakes with an eye dropper

Ted Cruz's birth status means nothing to me, the fact that he is a certifiable loon, that does mean something to me.

In an increasingly global community, the citizenship requirements for the highest office are tedious and largely unnecessary. We should be able to elect who we want. Yeah, I said it. Come at me, America-firsters.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I see no reason why if the people of the united states want to elect an immigrant they should not be allowed to do so, so the entire "where was he born" argument is ridiculous to me. We should change the f'n Constitution, but since we cannot even pass the simplest of bills these days the idea of making a simple common sense change to the constiution is like trying to drain the great lakes with an eye dropper

Ted Cruz's birth status means nothing to me, the fact that he is a certifiable loon, that does mean something to me.

the means to an end to reach the rabble is sometimes a simple, easy to digest idea such as this, rather than getting into the nuance of his kookery.

I have no doubt Cruz would use this as a wedge point on a fellow candidate so I have so issue seeing this used against him.

And until the law of the land is changed, he is not eligible for the presidency in my mind.

But I have out ready to see it play out

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He's not running out there to win; he's out there to drag the center even farther to the right.

Well that's a good point.

 

[B-Deep]

Can we get a Trump/Cruz ticket, or Cruz/Trump?

I don't really care which

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I see no reason why if the people of the united states want to elect an immigrant they should not be allowed to do so, so the entire "where was he born" argument is ridiculous to me. We should change the f'n Constitution, but since we cannot even pass the simplest of bills these days the idea of making a simple common sense change to the constiution is like trying to drain the great lakes with an eye dropper

Ted Cruz's birth status means nothing to me, the fact that he is a certifiable loon, that does mean something to me.

the means to an end to reach the rabble is sometimes a simple, easy to digest idea such as this, rather than getting into the nuance of his kookery.

I have no doubt Cruz would use this as a wedge point on a fellow candidate so I have so issue seeing this used against him.

And until the law of the land is changed, he is not eligible for the presidency in my mind.

But I have out ready to see it play out

I agree. - He has like zero chance of being elected but if he was elected it would be pretty funny to see the challenges and what quarters they would come from.

 

[Joe Summer]

He's not running out there to win; he's out there to drag the center even farther to the right.

He's also running to fund his lifestyle and to audition for a job with Fox News.

 

[culdeus]

He's not running out there to win; he's out there to drag the center even farther to the right.

He's also running to fund his lifestyle and to audition for a job with Fox News.

You realize, that unlike Palin he actually holds an elected office right? One that won't expire for what? 4 more years or so and will have no challenger. He's going to be a Senator for probably the next 40 years unless he just has some huge scandal.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He's not running out there to win; he's out there to drag the center even farther to the right.

He's also running to fund his lifestyle and to audition for a job with Fox News.

I'd hesitate to guess how much money Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have made running for public office, and others, but it's pretty sweet. You make more by getting elected and the higher the office the better.

 

[skol asylum]

Havent followed the thread, but Ted Cruz is the president we deserve. We've gotten the president we deserved for as long as i've been alive and we've had the politics we deserve ever since we let it all occur almost no place but on TV. From Crossfire opening the door for FoxNews and turning politics into cartoonnazis v. sissynannies; to more people knowing the color of Monica's dress than the character of Clinton's politik; to Alfred E Bush convincing us that Iraq and shopping was our way to beat back terrorism; to actual Palin candidacies; to Obama telling us he was so concerned about things that this is precisely what he'd do if he actually did stuff - we've let it all sail past us like game shows and series cliffhangers. Now commercials run the country, fascist vitriol is spewed on Wake Up America shows and Kardashians matter. Ted Cruz is precisely the man America deserves for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in 2016. nufced -

Please change your username to Spider Jerusalem. Thanks.

 

[MaxThreshold]

He's not running out there to win; he's out there to drag the center even farther to the right.

Well that's a good point.

Sure it is, but let's not pretend that liberals don't run candidates that want to drag the center even farther to the left. This isn't something new.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He's not running out there to win; he's out there to drag the center even farther to the right.

Well that's a good point.

Sure it is, but let's not pretend that liberals don't run candidates that want to drag the center even farther to the left. This isn't something new.

Let's see, allegedly ideological Senator from safe seat runs in his first term, has that happened before? I don't know and I'm just asking, considering there are groups that do these ratings, is Cruz rated any further to the right in his voting record than Obama was to the left?

 

[Bucky86]

the audience looked like they were told they would get free beer if they showed.

 

[pantagrapher]

He's not running out there to win; he's out there to drag the center even farther to the right.

Well that's a good point.

Sure it is, but let's not pretend that liberals don't run candidates that want to drag the center even farther to the left. This isn't something new.

Liberals is not a political party. Democrats rarely run far-left candidates for POTUS. And this is why the spectrum of acceptable conversation is so skewed to the right. I mean, conservatives think Obama is a far-left socialist.

 

[roadkill1292]

the audience looked like they were told they would get free beer if they showed.

At another board it was stated that attendance was mandatory for the student body but that might just be message board bluster. Outside of the military academies, I can't imagine there are too many universities where anything is mandatory. (Disclaimer -- roadkill is slacker university employee)

 

[pantagrapher]

the audience looked like they were told they would get free beer if they showed.

At another board it was stated that attendance was mandatory for the student body but that might just be message board bluster. Outside of the military academies, I can't imagine there are too many universities where anything is mandatory. (Disclaimer -- roadkill is slacker university employee)

Liberty University is not like other universities.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think this makes the second Hispanic to run for President of the US, after Bill Richardson, so it's nice to see as progress for our country.

 

[roadkill1292]

the audience looked like they were told they would get free beer if they showed.

At another board it was stated that attendance was mandatory for the student body but that might just be message board bluster. Outside of the military academies, I can't imagine there are too many universities where anything is mandatory. (Disclaimer -- roadkill is slacker university employee)

Liberty University is not like other universities.

I went to college in Lynchburg so I am well aware of their uniqueness. But surely even they've given up on school assemblies by now, haven't they? (Disclaimer -- roadkill typically underestimates nuttiness of southern baptists)

 

[Lutherman2112]

the audience looked like they were told they would get free beer if they showed.

At another board it was stated that attendance was mandatory for the student body but that might just be message board bluster. Outside of the military academies, I can't imagine there are too many universities where anything is mandatory. (Disclaimer -- roadkill is slacker university employee)

Cruz was speaking at Liberty as part of their Convocation series.

From the school's Student Honor Code:

Convocation is an assembly of the University community and its purpose is to develop
campus unity, disseminate information, and challenge students spiritually, socially,
morally and intellectually. Convocation provides forums for the social and political issues
of the day, as well as educational topics of diverse interest for the benefit of students,
faculty, and staff. Guest speakers from the world of business, politics, education, religion,
and the sciences also help to make Convocation a refreshing and challenging time.

All students are required to attend Convocation on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
This includes all resident students, commuters, undergraduates, graduate and seminary
students. Failure to attend Convocation without proper approval will result in the issuance
of four points. Resident must check in with their Resident Assistants upon arrival and sit in
their assigned section in order to be counted as present. Failure to attend will result in the
issuance of four points.

 

[HellToupee]

Is he a legal citizen? Does he have a green card?

He's 1/200 Cherokee

 

[roadkill1292]

the audience looked like they were told they would get free beer if they showed.

At another board it was stated that attendance was mandatory for the student body but that might just be message board bluster. Outside of the military academies, I can't imagine there are too many universities where anything is mandatory. (Disclaimer -- roadkill is slacker university employee)

Cruz was speaking at Liberty as part of their Convocation series.

From the school's Student Honor Code:

Convocation is an assembly of the University community and its purpose is to develop
campus unity, disseminate information, and challenge students spiritually, socially,
morally and intellectually. Convocation provides forums for the social and political issues
of the day, as well as educational topics of diverse interest for the benefit of students,
faculty, and staff. Guest speakers from the world of business, politics, education, religion,
and the sciences also help to make Convocation a refreshing and challenging time.

All students are required to attend Convocation on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
This includes all resident students, commuters, undergraduates, graduate and seminary
students. Failure to attend Convocation without proper approval will result in the issuance
of four points. Resident must check in with their Resident Assistants upon arrival and sit in
their assigned section in order to be counted as present. Failure to attend will result in the
issuance of four points.

Four points?

 

[tom22406]

I want to see Cruz vs Warren and see which side of the crazy wins.

 

[Joe Summer]

Is he a legal citizen? Does he have a green card?

He's 1/200 Cherokee

Is it even possible to be 1/200 anything? Wouldn't you have to be 1/128 or 1/256?

 

[HellToupee]

I want to see Cruz vs Warren and see which side of the crazy wins.

they are the ying to the others yang

 

[Lutherman2112]

the audience looked like they were told they would get free beer if they showed.

At another board it was stated that attendance was mandatory for the student body but that might just be message board bluster. Outside of the military academies, I can't imagine there are too many universities where anything is mandatory. (Disclaimer -- roadkill is slacker university employee)

Cruz was speaking at Liberty as part of their Convocation series.

From the school's Student Honor Code:

Convocation is an assembly of the University community and its purpose is to develop
campus unity, disseminate information, and challenge students spiritually, socially,
morally and intellectually. Convocation provides forums for the social and political issues
of the day, as well as educational topics of diverse interest for the benefit of students,
faculty, and staff. Guest speakers from the world of business, politics, education, religion,
and the sciences also help to make Convocation a refreshing and challenging time.

All students are required to attend Convocation on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
This includes all resident students, commuters, undergraduates, graduate and seminary
students. Failure to attend Convocation without proper approval will result in the issuance
of four points. Resident must check in with their Resident Assistants upon arrival and sit in
their assigned section in order to be counted as present. Failure to attend will result in the
issuance of four points.

Four points?

Yeah, the point system is pretty ridiculous:

POINTS & PROCEDURES FOR MISCONDUCT
A. Point System
Liberty University uses a point, fine and disciplinary community service system to address
discipline-related issues. Sanctions are administered according to the guidelines listed
below. The Office of Student Conduct or their representative(s) administer all disciplinary
penalties. When points are issued, the student will receive notification by email. Upon
consideration of extenuating circumstances, the University may make adjustments when
applicable. (Single commuter students who receive 30+ points within a semester may be
required to move back on campus immediately.) NOTE: Points are accumulated and tabulated on a per-semester basis.

1 Point
 Late to Convocation (1 additional point for each additional 15 minutes late)
 Late for curfew (1 additional point for each additional 30 minutes late

4 Points (+ $10.00 Fine)
 Absence from required meeting (Convocation, etc.)
 Disturbance/non-participation during Convocation
 Dress/hair code violation
 Failure to respond to official call slip within 48 hours (for Student Affairs use only)
 Horseplay (plus financial restitution)
 Personal contact beyond hand-holding
 Improper sign-out
 Music code violation
 Out of the residence halls after curfew

Appeal process for one-to-four point offenses should be submitted in writing to the
respective Resident Director (RD) within 48 hours (two working days) of notification.
Appeals for one-point offenses are directed to the Resident Assistant (RA) in writing within
48 hours. If you are not satisfied with the outcome, a written appeal must be directed to the
RD within 24 hours of the RA’s decision.

6 Points (+ $25.00 Fine)
 Possession and/or use of tobacco
 Use of e-cigarettes/vaping (on campus)
 Direct disobedience
 Disrespect
 Gambling
 Attendance at a dance

Appeal process for 6-point offenses should be submitted in writing to the respective RD or
the Student Court within 48 hours (two working days) of notification.
NOTE: Student Conduct Officers do not consider appeals for less than 12 points.

12 Points (+ $50.00 Fine)
 Attendance at, possession or viewing of an “R”-rated movie
 Deception
 Malicious horseplay/behavior (plus financial restitution)
 Participation in an unauthorized petition or demonstration
 Unauthorized possession of a school key
 Visiting alone with the opposite sex at an off-campus residence
 Entering residence hallway, quad or on-campus apartment of the opposite sex (or
allowing the same)
 Cheating on a quiz

Appeal process for 12-point offenses should be submitted in writing to the respective RD or
the Student Court within 48 hours (two working days) of notification. The RD or Student
Court will uphold, dismiss or adjust the sanction. The decision of the RD or Student Court
will be final.

18 Points (+ $250 Fine & 18 Hours Disciplinary Community Service)
 Cheating on a test, paper or project (up to 30 points)
 Association with those consuming alcohol
 Commission of a misdemeanor
 Obscene, profane or abusive language or behavior
 Possession and/or viewing of sexually-explicit material or movies (“X” or NC-17”)
 Entering the bedroom of the opposite sex on or off campus (or allowing the same)
 Failure to properly identify oneself
 Falsification of information on an official document (including sign-out sheet)
 Sexual harassment (i.e., unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors or other
conduct or comments of a sexual nature)
 Sexual misconduct and/or any state of undress
 Threat to do bodily harm
 Two or more individuals of the opposite sex together in a motel room without proper
permission
 Vandalism (plus financial restitution)
 Racial discrimination or harassment (up to 30 points plus possible fines, community
service and/or possible administrative withdrawal)

Appeal process for 18-point offenses should be submitted in writing to the RD or Student
Court within 48 hours (two working days) of notification. A decision will be rendered in
writing regarding the appeal and the decision will be final.
30 Points (+ $500.00 Fine, 30 Hours Disciplinary Community Service, & Possible
Administrative Withdrawal)
NOTE: For each accumulation of six or more points after 30, an additional $150 fine will
be assessed.
 Assault/sexual assault (minimum two semesters out)
 Commission/conviction of any felony
 Illegal drug association/possession, use/distribution (minimum two semesters out)
 Immorality
 Involvement with witchcraft, séances or other satanic or demonic activity
 Life-threatening behavior or language to others or oneself (immediate
removal/exclusion from campus and a minimum of two semesters out)
 Non-participation/disruption/non-compliance (possible removal/exclusion from
campus)
 Possession or consumption of alcoholic beverages
 Procuring/financing/facilitating/obtaining an abortion
 Refusal to submit to an Alco-Sensor test and/or drug test as specified by the
Administration
 Spending the night with a person of the opposite sex
 Sexual relations outside of a marriage, between a natural-born man and a natural-born
woman, as biblically ordained in Scripture and sanctioned by a state government
 Stealing or possession of stolen property (plus financial restitution; minimum two
semesters out)
 Unauthorized possession/use of weapons
Appeal process for 30-point offenses (non-dismissal) should be submitted in writing to the
Student Court within 48 hours (two working days) of notification of sanction.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I want to see Cruz vs Warren and see which side of the crazy wins.

I don't know if Hilary's "crazy" quotient gets considered enough. Hillary's and Bill's politics are more Republican, heck sometimes they are Republican, but that doesn't seem to bother a single liberal or progressive, it's like they've forgotten the Iraq War speech, the Glass-Steagall repeal, the "end of big government," the near destruction of the progressive wing. It's funny.

But Warren at least seems sane.

 

[HellToupee]

I want to see Cruz vs Warren and see which side of the crazy wins.

But Warren at least seems sane.

?

 

[roadkill1292]

I want to see Cruz vs Warren and see which side of the crazy wins.

I don't know if Hilary's "crazy" quotient gets considered enough. Hillary's and Bill's politics are more Republican, heck sometimes they are Republican, but that doesn't seem to bother a single liberal or progressive, it's like they've forgotten the Iraq War speech, the Glass-Steagall repeal, the "end of big government," the near destruction of the progressive wing. It's funny.

But Warren at least seems sane.

Hilary is practically Mitt.

 

[Lutherman2112]

http://www.tedcruz.com

 

[HellToupee]

I want to see Cruz vs Warren and see which side of the crazy wins.

I don't know if Hilary's "crazy" quotient gets considered enough. Hillary's and Bill's politics are more Republican, heck sometimes they are Republican, but that doesn't seem to bother a single liberal or progressive, it's like they've forgotten the Iraq War speech, the Glass-Steagall repeal, the "end of big government," the near destruction of the progressive wing. It's funny.

But Warren at least seems sane.

Hilary is practically Mitt.

Mitt doesnt bring any of the Bill sleaze but they aren't far off. Always laughed at the hayseeds who are up the "media" portrayal of Mitt as a harsh conservative.

 

[Joe Summer]

Yeah, the point system is pretty ridiculous:

12 Points (+ $50.00 Fine)

Attendance at, possession or viewing of an R-rated movie

What if the R-rated movie is "The Passion Of The Christ"??(Looks like The Passion doesn't count because they actually screen it at their film festival).

 

[timschochet]

Sorry guys, Warren, were she to run, would not compare to Ted Cruz. She would compare much more favorably to Scott Walker: a serious candidate running to the left of center, just as Walker is a serious candidate running to the right of center.

There is no clown candidate on the Democrat side that can compare to Cruz. If Maxine Waters ran for President, maybe, and if she was taken seriously.

And Cruz is not the only clown on the Reublican side: there is also Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, and Rick Perry this time around. Last time around there was Michelle Bachmann, Santorum, Perry, and Herman Cain. It's really embarrassing how many of these nuts run for President. Dems have their share of nuts and idiots, but they never lead in the polls. Everyone of the guys I just mentioned, with the exception of Ben Carson, had actually led among Republicans at one time or another. As did Donald Trump and Sarah Palin.

 

[tommyboy]

you mean that lady that lied about being an Indian so she could count herself as a minority for Harvard?

bwhahahahahahaha!

 

[njherdfan]

http://www.tedcruz.com

http://tedcruzforamerica.com/

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sorry guys, Warren, were she to run, would not compare to Ted Cruz. She would compare much more favorably to Scott Walker: a serious candidate running to the left of center, just as Walker is a serious candidate running to the right of center.

There is no clown candidate on the Democrat side that can compare to Cruz. If Maxine Waters ran for President, maybe, and if she was taken seriously.

And Cruz is not the only clown on the Reublican side: there is also Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, and Rick Perry this time around. Last time around there was Michelle Bachmann, Santorum, Perry, and Herman Cain. It's really embarrassing how many of these nuts run for President. Dems have their share of nuts and idiots, but they never lead in the polls. Everyone of the guys I just mentioned, with the exception of Ben Carson, had actually led among Republicans at one time or another. As did Donald Trump and Sarah Palin.

I'm going to imagine, just imagine, the hilarity emanating from the left if Sarah Palin's defense for using personal email and avoiding public records laws was she wanted to keep all her emails on one device. Pretty much an "I can see Russia from my house" moment but there's no Tina Fey to pick up the ball.

Kate McKinnon captures the crazy eyes though.

 

[MaxThreshold]

He's not running out there to win; he's out there to drag the center even farther to the right.

Well that's a good point.

Sure it is, but let's not pretend that liberals don't run candidates that want to drag the center even farther to the left. This isn't something new.

Liberals is not a political party. Democrats rarely run far-left candidates for POTUS. And this is why the spectrum of acceptable conversation is so skewed to the right. I mean, conservatives think Obama is a far-left socialist.

Horse-####. OF COURSE your party only runs Moderates. It's the other guys who are crazy.

GTFO here with that crap.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://www.tedcruz.com

Well, I'm gonna say his campaign staff needs some improvement...