What a Ted Cruz victory would mean (2 Viewers)

[3C's]

I don't know what all the fuss is about Teddy. He's Canadian,can't run for President. All the Birthers would be demanding to see his proof. Wouldn't they?

Renounced his Canadian citizenship (or said he would) and is eligible to run for Pres.since his mother was a US citizen.

 

[3C's]

I don't know what all the fuss is about Teddy. He's Canadian,can't run for President. All the Birthers would be demanding to see his proof. Wouldn't they?

I still dont get this. the constitution says naturalized citizen. his parents are both american citizens. thus he is. it doesnt say born in usa. if a couple took a day trip from detroit to windsor and she goes into labor and delivers in windsor the child is still an american citizen.

I never understood the birther thing with obama. his mom is american so he is. regardless of where he was born. seems obvious.

His father is Cuban and didn't receive US citizenship until 2005. His mother was a US citizen but there could be questions about how long she was out of the country. I doubt anyone would challenge it though.

 

[Joe Summer]

I never understood the birther thing with obama. his mom is american so he is. regardless of where he was born. seems obvious.

Based on the laws in effect in 1961, Obama would not have been a Natural Born Citizen if he had been born in Kenya. (His mother had not been a citizen long enough for Obama to qualify as "natural born").

 

[Abraham]

I never understood the birther thing with obama. his mom is american so he is. regardless of where he was born. seems obvious.

Based on the laws in effect in 1961, Obama would not have been a Natural Born Citizen if he had been born in Kenya. (His mother had not been a citizen long enough for Obama to qualify as "natural born").

But he wasn't born in Kenya so it doesn't matter.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

I hope Cruz runs for president. With Michele Bachmann as his running mate.

 

[cstu]

I hope Cruz runs for president. With Michele Bachmann as his running mate.

Can Palin run the campaign?

 

[cstu]

I never understood the birther thing with obama. his mom is american so he is. regardless of where he was born. seems obvious.

Based on the laws in effect in 1961, Obama would not have been a Natural Born Citizen if he had been born in Kenya. (His mother had not been a citizen long enough for Obama to qualify as "natural born").

But he wasn't born in Kenya so it doesn't matter.

Nonsense, pregnant teenage mothers used to fly to Kenya to have their kid all the time back then.

 

[Joe T]

so it looks like TC turned out to be right.

 

[Fennis]

so it looks like TC turned out to be right.

Ted Cruz complaints were about perf on a web page?

 

[joffer]

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/431575/december-17-2013/-ted-cruz-to-the-future-

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't know what all the fuss is about Teddy. He's Canadian,can't run for President. All the Birthers would be demanding to see his proof. Wouldn't they?

Renounced his Canadian citizenship (or said he would) and is eligible to run for Pres.since his mother was a US citizen.

For whatever reason, this just became official:

... The tea party favorite announced last summer that he would takes steps to renounce his Canadian citizenship after the Dallas Morning News pointed out that he probably remained a citizen there by virtue of his birth.

As of May 14, Cruz was no longer a Canadian citizen.

His spokeswoman on Tuesday passed along a document from the Canadian government certifying that he ceased to be a citizen last month.

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

So that's the end of it, right? Well, not quite. The debate about whether Cruz can run for president because it's not 100 percent clear that he's a "natural-born citizen" will likely rage on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/10/ted-cruz-officially-gives-up-his-canadian-citizenship/

I do not get this at all.

As I understand it to be president you have to be born in the USA. Maybe there could be an exception for someone born on a military base, or at an embassy or in a territory, like McCain.

No way Cruz should be allowed to be or run for president.

 

[Fennis]

I don't know what all the fuss is about Teddy. He's Canadian,can't run for President. All the Birthers would be demanding to see his proof. Wouldn't they?

Renounced his Canadian citizenship (or said he would) and is eligible to run for Pres.since his mother was a US citizen.

For whatever reason, this just became official:

... The tea party favorite announced last summer that he would takes steps to renounce his Canadian citizenship after the Dallas Morning News pointed out that he probably remained a citizen there by virtue of his birth.

As of May 14, Cruz was no longer a Canadian citizen.

His spokeswoman on Tuesday passed along a document from the Canadian government certifying that he ceased to be a citizen last month.

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

So that's the end of it, right? Well, not quite. The debate about whether Cruz can run for president because it's not 100 percent clear that he's a "natural-born citizen" will likely rage on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/10/ted-cruz-officially-gives-up-his-canadian-citizenship/

I do not get this at all.

As I understand it to be president you have to be born in the USA. Maybe there could be an exception for someone born on a military base, or at an embassy or in a territory, like McCain.

No way Cruz should be allowed to be or run for president.

I see no reason Cruz (or anyone in a similar situation) shouldn't be allowed to run for president. He was a US citizen at birth. I would agree with you about Arnold Schwarzenegger for instance.

 

[joffer]

1.5 No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

 

[Koya]

I don't know what all the fuss is about Teddy. He's Canadian,can't run for President. All the Birthers would be demanding to see his proof. Wouldn't they?

Renounced his Canadian citizenship (or said he would) and is eligible to run for Pres.since his mother was a US citizen.

For whatever reason, this just became official:

... The tea party favorite announced last summer that he would takes steps to renounce his Canadian citizenship after the Dallas Morning News pointed out that he probably remained a citizen there by virtue of his birth.

As of May 14, Cruz was no longer a Canadian citizen.

His spokeswoman on Tuesday passed along a document from the Canadian government certifying that he ceased to be a citizen last month.

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

So that's the end of it, right? Well, not quite. The debate about whether Cruz can run for president because it's not 100 percent clear that he's a "natural-born citizen" will likely rage on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/10/ted-cruz-officially-gives-up-his-canadian-citizenship/

I do not get this at all.

As I understand it to be president you have to be born in the USA. Maybe there could be an exception for someone born on a military base, or at an embassy or in a territory, like McCain.

No way Cruz should be allowed to be or run for president.

I see no reason Cruz (or anyone in a similar situation) shouldn't be allowed to run for president. He was a US citizen at birth. I would agree with you about Arnold Schwarzenegger for instance.

Except that is not the law (as I understand it).

Plus, the UTTER hypocrisy of the birther bull#### makes this pretty tough to swallow.

What's sad is I can't think of ONE prominent Republican that would actually be viable for President, for whom I'd vote. It's Hillary or, preferably, a decent third party like Johnson. The Peter Kings of the world just seem to not have a chance, which is why the GOP has no chance for folks like me (again, we may not or in some cases ever vote R more than D, but are open to do so and have done so enough to be a viable block of voters)

 

[Koya]

1.5 No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

That's pretty damn clear to me.

Cruz had to be a natural born Citizen or be like 250 years old.

 

[Fennis]

1.5 No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

That's pretty damn clear to me.

Cruz had to be a natural born Citizen or be like 250 years old.

I agree it is very clear, Cruz is a natural born citizen. He never went through any citizenship process.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't know what all the fuss is about Teddy. He's Canadian,can't run for President. All the Birthers would be demanding to see his proof. Wouldn't they?

Renounced his Canadian citizenship (or said he would) and is eligible to run for Pres.since his mother was a US citizen.

For whatever reason, this just became official:

... The tea party favorite announced last summer that he would takes steps to renounce his Canadian citizenship after the Dallas Morning News pointed out that he probably remained a citizen there by virtue of his birth.

As of May 14, Cruz was no longer a Canadian citizen.

His spokeswoman on Tuesday passed along a document from the Canadian government certifying that he ceased to be a citizen last month.

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

So that's the end of it, right? Well, not quite. The debate about whether Cruz can run for president because it's not 100 percent clear that he's a "natural-born citizen" will likely rage on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/10/ted-cruz-officially-gives-up-his-canadian-citizenship/

I do not get this at all.

As I understand it to be president you have to be born in the USA. Maybe there could be an exception for someone born on a military base, or at an embassy or in a territory, like McCain.

No way Cruz should be allowed to be or run for president.

I see no reason Cruz (or anyone in a similar situation) shouldn't be allowed to run for president. He was a US citizen at birth. I would agree with you about Arnold Schwarzenegger for instance.

Except that is not the law (as I understand it).

Plus, the UTTER hypocrisy of the birther bull#### makes this pretty tough to swallow.

What's sad is I can't think of ONE prominent Republican that would actually be viable for President, for whom I'd vote. It's Hillary or, preferably, a decent third party like Johnson. The Peter Kings of the world just seem to not have a chance, which is why the GOP has no chance for folks like me (again, we may not or in some cases ever vote R more than D, but are open to do so and have done so enough to be a viable block of voters)

It is hypocritical, it's so insane to think that someone could say on the one hand someone is ineligible because they were born outside the USA one day and then say someone else is eligible the next.

I think I read somewhere that this happened to Cruz in the course of actually challenging Obama's failure to turn over his birth certificate. Then Cruz was challenged to do the same and... lo and behold, guess who's not born here.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I don't know what all the fuss is about Teddy. He's Canadian,can't run for President. All the Birthers would be demanding to see his proof. Wouldn't they?

Renounced his Canadian citizenship (or said he would) and is eligible to run for Pres.since his mother was a US citizen.

For whatever reason, this just became official:

... The tea party favorite announced last summer that he would takes steps to renounce his Canadian citizenship after the Dallas Morning News pointed out that he probably remained a citizen there by virtue of his birth.

As of May 14, Cruz was no longer a Canadian citizen.

His spokeswoman on Tuesday passed along a document from the Canadian government certifying that he ceased to be a citizen last month.

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

So that's the end of it, right? Well, not quite. The debate about whether Cruz can run for president because it's not 100 percent clear that he's a "natural-born citizen" will likely rage on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/10/ted-cruz-officially-gives-up-his-canadian-citizenship/

I do not get this at all.

As I understand it to be president you have to be born in the USA. Maybe there could be an exception for someone born on a military base, or at an embassy or in a territory, like McCain.

No way Cruz should be allowed to be or run for president.

I see no reason Cruz (or anyone in a similar situation) shouldn't be allowed to run for president. He was a US citizen at birth. I would agree with you about Arnold Schwarzenegger for instance.

Except that is not the law (as I understand it).

Plus, the UTTER hypocrisy of the birther bull#### makes this pretty tough to swallow.

What's sad is I can't think of ONE prominent Republican that would actually be viable for President, for whom I'd vote. It's Hillary or, preferably, a decent third party like Johnson. The Peter Kings of the world just seem to not have a chance, which is why the GOP has no chance for folks like me (again, we may not or in some cases ever vote R more than D, but are open to do so and have done so enough to be a viable block of voters)

Peter King? Are you serious?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

1.5 No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

That's pretty damn clear to me.

Cruz had to be a natural born Citizen or be like 250 years old.

I realize the law is against me here (what's new, but then there has never been any official court decision), but the way I read it, you can either be this:

1. "a natural born Citizen" - naturally born means being born within the country or its territories (otherwise what's the point of putting it this way, just say "citizen")

- or this -

2. "a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" (impossible).

 

[Koya]

I don't know what all the fuss is about Teddy. He's Canadian,can't run for President. All the Birthers would be demanding to see his proof. Wouldn't they?

Renounced his Canadian citizenship (or said he would) and is eligible to run for Pres.since his mother was a US citizen.

For whatever reason, this just became official:

... The tea party favorite announced last summer that he would takes steps to renounce his Canadian citizenship after the Dallas Morning News pointed out that he probably remained a citizen there by virtue of his birth.

As of May 14, Cruz was no longer a Canadian citizen.

His spokeswoman on Tuesday passed along a document from the Canadian government certifying that he ceased to be a citizen last month.

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

So that's the end of it, right? Well, not quite. The debate about whether Cruz can run for president because it's not 100 percent clear that he's a "natural-born citizen" will likely rage on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/10/ted-cruz-officially-gives-up-his-canadian-citizenship/

I do not get this at all.

As I understand it to be president you have to be born in the USA. Maybe there could be an exception for someone born on a military base, or at an embassy or in a territory, like McCain.

No way Cruz should be allowed to be or run for president.

I see no reason Cruz (or anyone in a similar situation) shouldn't be allowed to run for president. He was a US citizen at birth. I would agree with you about Arnold Schwarzenegger for instance.

Except that is not the law (as I understand it).

Plus, the UTTER hypocrisy of the birther bull#### makes this pretty tough to swallow.

What's sad is I can't think of ONE prominent Republican that would actually be viable for President, for whom I'd vote. It's Hillary or, preferably, a decent third party like Johnson. The Peter Kings of the world just seem to not have a chance, which is why the GOP has no chance for folks like me (again, we may not or in some cases ever vote R more than D, but are open to do so and have done so enough to be a viable block of voters)

Peter King? Are you serious?

Yes. Not that I would vote for Peter, but I'd give it some good thought. He's not an ideologue. I've seen him work both sides of the aisle. It's just a name that came to mind.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't know what all the fuss is about Teddy. He's Canadian,can't run for President. All the Birthers would be demanding to see his proof. Wouldn't they?

Renounced his Canadian citizenship (or said he would) and is eligible to run for Pres.since his mother was a US citizen.

For whatever reason, this just became official:

... The tea party favorite announced last summer that he would takes steps to renounce his Canadian citizenship after the Dallas Morning News pointed out that he probably remained a citizen there by virtue of his birth.

As of May 14, Cruz was no longer a Canadian citizen.

His spokeswoman on Tuesday passed along a document from the Canadian government certifying that he ceased to be a citizen last month.

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

So that's the end of it, right? Well, not quite. The debate about whether Cruz can run for president because it's not 100 percent clear that he's a "natural-born citizen" will likely rage on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/10/ted-cruz-officially-gives-up-his-canadian-citizenship/

I do not get this at all.

As I understand it to be president you have to be born in the USA. Maybe there could be an exception for someone born on a military base, or at an embassy or in a territory, like McCain.

No way Cruz should be allowed to be or run for president.

I see no reason Cruz (or anyone in a similar situation) shouldn't be allowed to run for president. He was a US citizen at birth. I would agree with you about Arnold Schwarzenegger for instance.

Ok this makes total sense.

But then why was the argument (for like ever) over what Obama's certificate said. Even if his BC said Canada, Kenya, Indonesia, Paris France, whatever was dreamed of happening, then he could have still been president under this view because his mother was a US citizen and thus so was he.

No?

 

[Koya]

1.5 No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

That's pretty damn clear to me.

Cruz had to be a natural born Citizen or be like 250 years old.

I realize the law is against me here (what's new, but then there has never been any official court decision), but the way I read it, you can either be this:

1. "a natural born Citizen" - naturally born means being born within the country or its territories (otherwise what's the point of putting it this way, just say "citizen")

- or this -

2. "a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" (impossible).

Aren't we in agreement? The latter is not impossible if you are 250 years old though.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

1.5 No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

That's pretty damn clear to me.

Cruz had to be a natural born Citizen or be like 250 years old.

I realize the law is against me here (what's new, but then there has never been any official court decision), but the way I read it, you can either be this:

1. "a natural born Citizen" - naturally born means being born within the country or its territories (otherwise what's the point of putting it this way, just say "citizen")

- or this -

2. "a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" (impossible).

Aren't we in agreement? The latter is not impossible if you are 250 years old though.

Right, maybe so, I think I was trying to figure out whether "natural born" means born in the US or born a US citizen (wherever the birth may have been).

I think the latter applies to vampires. Cruz looks like he could apply under that one.

 

[bigbottom]

I don't know what all the fuss is about Teddy. He's Canadian,can't run for President. All the Birthers would be demanding to see his proof. Wouldn't they?

Renounced his Canadian citizenship (or said he would) and is eligible to run for Pres.since his mother was a US citizen.

For whatever reason, this just became official:

... The tea party favorite announced last summer that he would takes steps to renounce his Canadian citizenship after the Dallas Morning News pointed out that he probably remained a citizen there by virtue of his birth.

As of May 14, Cruz was no longer a Canadian citizen.

His spokeswoman on Tuesday passed along a document from the Canadian government certifying that he ceased to be a citizen last month.

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

So that's the end of it, right? Well, not quite. The debate about whether Cruz can run for president because it's not 100 percent clear that he's a "natural-born citizen" will likely rage on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/10/ted-cruz-officially-gives-up-his-canadian-citizenship/

I do not get this at all.

As I understand it to be president you have to be born in the USA. Maybe there could be an exception for someone born on a military base, or at an embassy or in a territory, like McCain.

No way Cruz should be allowed to be or run for president.

I see no reason Cruz (or anyone in a similar situation) shouldn't be allowed to run for president. He was a US citizen at birth. I would agree with you about Arnold Schwarzenegger for instance.

Ok this makes total sense.

But then why was the argument (for like ever) over what Obama's certificate said. Even if his BC said Canada, Kenya, Indonesia, Paris France, whatever was dreamed of happening, then he could have still been president under this view because his mother was a US citizen and thus so was he.

No?

There is actually a valid distinction between the two because of the age of Obama's mother and where she resided and the laws regarding citizenship that applied at the time (i.e., if Obama had in fact been born in Kenya, he would not have automatically been a U.S. citizen at birth).

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't know what all the fuss is about Teddy. He's Canadian,can't run for President. All the Birthers would be demanding to see his proof. Wouldn't they?

Renounced his Canadian citizenship (or said he would) and is eligible to run for Pres.since his mother was a US citizen.

For whatever reason, this just became official:

... The tea party favorite announced last summer that he would takes steps to renounce his Canadian citizenship after the Dallas Morning News pointed out that he probably remained a citizen there by virtue of his birth.

As of May 14, Cruz was no longer a Canadian citizen.

His spokeswoman on Tuesday passed along a document from the Canadian government certifying that he ceased to be a citizen last month.

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

So that's the end of it, right? Well, not quite. The debate about whether Cruz can run for president because it's not 100 percent clear that he's a "natural-born citizen" will likely rage on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/10/ted-cruz-officially-gives-up-his-canadian-citizenship/

I do not get this at all.

As I understand it to be president you have to be born in the USA. Maybe there could be an exception for someone born on a military base, or at an embassy or in a territory, like McCain.

No way Cruz should be allowed to be or run for president.

I see no reason Cruz (or anyone in a similar situation) shouldn't be allowed to run for president. He was a US citizen at birth. I would agree with you about Arnold Schwarzenegger for instance.

Ok this makes total sense.

But then why was the argument (for like ever) over what Obama's certificate said. Even if his BC said Canada, Kenya, Indonesia, Paris France, whatever was dreamed of happening, then he could have still been president under this view because his mother was a US citizen and thus so was he.

No?

There is actually a valid distinction between the two because of the age of Obama's mother and where she resided and the laws regarding citizenship that applied at the time (i.e., if Obama had in fact been born in Kenya, he would not have automatically been a U.S. citizen at birth).

So they changed the law?

By the time Cruz came around that had changed?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Peter King? Are you serious?

Yes. Not that I would vote for Peter, but I'd give it some good thought. He's not an ideologue. I've seen him work both sides of the aisle. It's just a name that came to mind.

My first reaction was the same as tommyGunZ's, but then I realized that I was thinking of Steve King (from Iowa) rather than Peter King (from NY).

I don't know much about Peter King, but man, it would have been hilarious if you'd been talking about Steve.

 

[bigbottom]

I don't know what all the fuss is about Teddy. He's Canadian,can't run for President. All the Birthers would be demanding to see his proof. Wouldn't they?

Renounced his Canadian citizenship (or said he would) and is eligible to run for Pres.since his mother was a US citizen.

For whatever reason, this just became official:

... The tea party favorite announced last summer that he would takes steps to renounce his Canadian citizenship after the Dallas Morning News pointed out that he probably remained a citizen there by virtue of his birth.

As of May 14, Cruz was no longer a Canadian citizen.

His spokeswoman on Tuesday passed along a document from the Canadian government certifying that he ceased to be a citizen last month.

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

So that's the end of it, right? Well, not quite. The debate about whether Cruz can run for president because it's not 100 percent clear that he's a "natural-born citizen" will likely rage on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/10/ted-cruz-officially-gives-up-his-canadian-citizenship/

I do not get this at all.

As I understand it to be president you have to be born in the USA. Maybe there could be an exception for someone born on a military base, or at an embassy or in a territory, like McCain.

No way Cruz should be allowed to be or run for president.

I see no reason Cruz (or anyone in a similar situation) shouldn't be allowed to run for president. He was a US citizen at birth. I would agree with you about Arnold Schwarzenegger for instance.

Ok this makes total sense.

But then why was the argument (for like ever) over what Obama's certificate said. Even if his BC said Canada, Kenya, Indonesia, Paris France, whatever was dreamed of happening, then he could have still been president under this view because his mother was a US citizen and thus so was he.

No?

There is actually a valid distinction between the two because of the age of Obama's mother and where she resided and the laws regarding citizenship that applied at the time (i.e., if Obama had in fact been born in Kenya, he would not have automatically been a U.S. citizen at birth).

So they changed the law?

By the time Cruz came around that had changed?

Cruz's mom was older when she gave birth. I'll have to find the text of the relevant law, but it has to do with the number of years the U.S. parent resided in the U.S. after reaching a certain age

 

[Fennis]

Its also has never been ruled on.

If Obama was born a US Citizen in Kenya (or Cruz in Canada), it is possible that the courts would rule they were not eligible, that natural born means born in the US, US territories or military bases.

 

[bigbottom]

Its also has never been ruled on.

If Obama was born a US Citizen in Kenya (or Cruz in Canada), it is possible that the courts would rule they were not eligible, that natural born means born in the US, US territories or military bases.

If born in Kenya, Obama would not have been born a U.S. citizen.

 

[3C's]

http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2013/10/is-ted-cruz-a-natural-born-citizen-eligible-to-serve-as-president/

A scholarly consensus is emerging, however, that anyone who acquires citizenship at birth is natural born for purposes of Article II.

 

[Fennis]

Its also has never been ruled on.

If Obama was born a US Citizen in Kenya (or Cruz in Canada), it is possible that the courts would rule they were not eligible, that natural born means born in the US, US territories or military bases.

If born in Kenya, Obama would not have been born a U.S. citizen.

Fair enough, but my uber point is that some interpret the Constitution to mean that a US Citizen born on foreign soil (Like Cruz) are not eligible to be elected President. I disagree, but I don't believe the courts have ruled on it.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

How else would you define "natural born?"

I seriously doubt the founding fathers meant a C section.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Its also has never been ruled on.

If Obama was born a US Citizen in Kenya (or Cruz in Canada), it is possible that the courts would rule they were not eligible, that natural born means born in the US, US territories or military bases.

If born in Kenya, Obama would not have been born a U.S. citizen.

Ok wait, this is purely academic but, this is WaPo:

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

Is the Post wrong here?

Obama's mother was a US citizen (KS, WA, HI) but hypothetically the claim was she gave birth in Kenya.

Cruz's mother was a US citizen (not sure where from) but the fact is she gave birth in Canada.

Obama's father was a Kenyan.

Cruz's father was a Cuban.

I kind of agree with the Post, because that's what I thought generally, if a local girl moves to France and has a child with a Frenchman then the child is a dual citizen, French and American.

But I also thought that being natural born meant more than being a US citizen, it meant being born here. If the drafters of the Constitution had meant citizen they would have said "citizen."

This also occurred with McCain. He was born in the Panama Canal district - but the US considered that US soil, so he was considered "natural born." It wasn't just whether he was a citizen. They had hearings on it.

Cruz was not born here so he can't be president, or else that whole rigamarole with McCain was pointless and I doubt McCain was jumping through pointless hoops. And Obama's team would have said the BC didn't matter because he did not have to be born here anyway, but they never ever said that, they just said the BC just said he was born in HI, which it did.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Its also has never been ruled on.

If Obama was born a US Citizen in Kenya (or Cruz in Canada), it is possible that the courts would rule they were not eligible, that natural born means born in the US, US territories or military bases.

If born in Kenya, Obama would not have been born a U.S. citizen.

Ok wait, this is purely academic but, this is WaPo:

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

Is the Post wrong here?

Obama's mother was a US citizen (KS, WA, HI) but hypothetically the claim was she gave birth in Kenya.

Cruz's mother was a US citizen (not sure where from) but the fact is she gave birth in Canada.

Obama's father was a Kenyan.

Cruz's father was a Cuban.

I kind of agree with the Post, because that's what I thought generally, if a local girl moves to France and has a child with a Frenchman then the child is a dual citizen, French and American.

But I also thought that being natural born meant more than being a US citizen, it meant being born here. If the drafters of the Constitution had meant citizen they would have said "citizen."

This also occurred with McCain. He was born in the Panama Canal district - but the US considered that US soil, so he was considered "natural born." It wasn't just whether he was a citizen. They had hearings on it.

Cruz was not born here, or else that whole rigamarole with McCain was pointless and I doubt McCain was jumping through pointless hoops.

At least on US soil... even if a military base elsewhere. That's where McCain was born.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Its also has never been ruled on.

If Obama was born a US Citizen in Kenya (or Cruz in Canada), it is possible that the courts would rule they were not eligible, that natural born means born in the US, US territories or military bases.

If born in Kenya, Obama would not have been born a U.S. citizen.

Ok wait, this is purely academic but, this is WaPo:

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

Is the Post wrong here?

Obama's mother was a US citizen (KS, WA, HI) but hypothetically the claim was she gave birth in Kenya.

Cruz's mother was a US citizen (not sure where from) but the fact is she gave birth in Canada.

Obama's father was a Kenyan.

Cruz's father was a Cuban.

I kind of agree with the Post, because that's what I thought generally, if a local girl moves to France and has a child with a Frenchman then the child is a dual citizen, French and American.

But I also thought that being natural born meant more than being a US citizen, it meant being born here. If the drafters of the Constitution had meant citizen they would have said "citizen."

This also occurred with McCain. He was born in the Panama Canal district - but the US considered that US soil, so he was considered "natural born." It wasn't just whether he was a citizen. They had hearings on it.

Cruz was not born here, or else that whole rigamarole with McCain was pointless and I doubt McCain was jumping through pointless hoops.

At least on US soil... even if a military base elsewhere. That's where McCain was born.

Right that's what I mean, a military base or embassy, or maybe even a US ship.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Its also has never been ruled on.

If Obama was born a US Citizen in Kenya (or Cruz in Canada), it is possible that the courts would rule they were not eligible, that natural born means born in the US, US territories or military bases.

If born in Kenya, Obama would not have been born a U.S. citizen.

Ok wait, this is purely academic but, this is WaPo:

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

Is the Post wrong here?

Obama's mother was a US citizen (KS, WA, HI) but hypothetically the claim was she gave birth in Kenya.

Cruz's mother was a US citizen (not sure where from) but the fact is she gave birth in Canada.

Obama's father was a Kenyan.

Cruz's father was a Cuban.

I kind of agree with the Post, because that's what I thought generally, if a local girl moves to France and has a child with a Frenchman then the child is a dual citizen, French and American.

But I also thought that being natural born meant more than being a US citizen, it meant being born here. If the drafters of the Constitution had meant citizen they would have said "citizen."

This also occurred with McCain. He was born in the Panama Canal district - but the US considered that US soil, so he was considered "natural born." It wasn't just whether he was a citizen. They had hearings on it.

Cruz was not born here so he can't be president, or else that whole rigamarole with McCain was pointless and I doubt McCain was jumping through pointless hoops. And Obama's team would have said the BC didn't matter because he did not have to be born here anyway, but they never ever said that, they just aid the BC just said he was born in HI, which it did.

That's how I've always understood it. If one of your birth parents is a U.S. citizen, you have citizenship at birth. I guess the outstanding question is if there is a distinction between being a citizen at birth vs. being born on U.S. soil? We know that naturalized citizens, or people who obtain citizen status after birth are not eligible.

 

[Fennis]

Its also has never been ruled on.

If Obama was born a US Citizen in Kenya (or Cruz in Canada), it is possible that the courts would rule they were not eligible, that natural born means born in the US, US territories or military bases.

If born in Kenya, Obama would not have been born a U.S. citizen.

Ok wait, this is purely academic but, this is WaPo:

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

Is the Post wrong here?

Obama's mother was a US citizen (KS, WA, HI) but hypothetically the claim was she gave birth in Kenya.

Cruz's mother was a US citizen (not sure where from) but the fact is she gave birth in Canada.

Obama's father was a Kenyan.

Cruz's father was a Cuban.

I kind of agree with the Post, because that's what I thought generally, if a local girl moves to France and has a child with a Frenchman then the child is a dual citizen, French and American.

But I also thought that being natural born meant more than being a US citizen, it meant being born here. If the drafters of the Constitution had meant citizen they would have said "citizen."

This also occurred with McCain. He was born in the Panama Canal district - but the US considered that US soil, so he was considered "natural born." It wasn't just whether he was a citizen. They had hearings on it.

Cruz was not born here, or else that whole rigamarole with McCain was pointless and I doubt McCain was jumping through pointless hoops.

What BB alluded to was when Obama was born, U.S. law said (at that time) if only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the US for 10 years, and five of those years had to be after age 16. BO's mom gave birth to him when she was 18, so if BO was born in Kenya, he would not have been a US Citizen at birth as she wouldn't meet the 5 years after age 16 criteria.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Its also has never been ruled on.

If Obama was born a US Citizen in Kenya (or Cruz in Canada), it is possible that the courts would rule they were not eligible, that natural born means born in the US, US territories or military bases.

If born in Kenya, Obama would not have been born a U.S. citizen.

Ok wait, this is purely academic but, this is WaPo:

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

Is the Post wrong here?

Obama's mother was a US citizen (KS, WA, HI) but hypothetically the claim was she gave birth in Kenya.

Cruz's mother was a US citizen (not sure where from) but the fact is she gave birth in Canada.

Obama's father was a Kenyan.

Cruz's father was a Cuban.

I kind of agree with the Post, because that's what I thought generally, if a local girl moves to France and has a child with a Frenchman then the child is a dual citizen, French and American.

But I also thought that being natural born meant more than being a US citizen, it meant being born here. If the drafters of the Constitution had meant citizen they would have said "citizen."

This also occurred with McCain. He was born in the Panama Canal district - but the US considered that US soil, so he was considered "natural born." It wasn't just whether he was a citizen. They had hearings on it.

Cruz was not born here, or else that whole rigamarole with McCain was pointless and I doubt McCain was jumping through pointless hoops.

At least on US soil... even if a military base elsewhere. That's where McCain was born.

Right that's what I mean, a military base or embassy, or maybe even a US ship.

Especially in service to America.

 

[Sarnoff]

Bigbottom is right about the birther difference between Obama and Cruz.

When Obama was born (1961), the jus sanguinis (citizenship by way of blood relation, as opposed to jus soli, citizenship by being born on the soil of the country) law read:

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:[9]

1. The person's parents were married at the time of birth
2. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
3. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
4. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday

Obama's father was not a citzen, so, all of the tests would apply to Obama's mother. He passes on the first three criteria, his parents were married at the time, his mother was a US citizen, and she lived in the US for at least 10 years before he was born. However, he fails on the 4th test: his mother did not spend 5 of 10 years living in the US after her 14th birthday. The reason being that she was only 18 at the time of his birth, so she had only spent 4 years after her 14th birthday living in the US.

Therefore, Obama would have no claim to jus sanguinis US citizenship. His only claim of US citizenship is having been born within the US, a jus soli claim.

Ted Cruz was born in Canada. His mother was definitely a US citizen. His father fled Castro's Cuba at a young age and did not officially become a US citizen until 2005. Therefore, the same 4-part test applied to Obama above would be used on Cruz. 1) His parents were married at the time of his birth, 2) His mother was a US citizen, born in Delaware in 1935, 3) she lived in the US for at least 10 years prior to his birth, and 4) 5 of those 10 years were after the age of 14. (We know she spent at least 4 years at Rice University in the 1950s.)

So, Cruz passes all 4 tests because his mother was older. Obama would not because he fails #4, which was in effect until 1986. So Obama must have been born within the US to qualify for citizenship.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Its also has never been ruled on.

If Obama was born a US Citizen in Kenya (or Cruz in Canada), it is possible that the courts would rule they were not eligible, that natural born means born in the US, US territories or military bases.

If born in Kenya, Obama would not have been born a U.S. citizen.

Ok wait, this is purely academic but, this is WaPo:

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

Is the Post wrong here?

Obama's mother was a US citizen (KS, WA, HI) but hypothetically the claim was she gave birth in Kenya.

Cruz's mother was a US citizen (not sure where from) but the fact is she gave birth in Canada.

Obama's father was a Kenyan.

Cruz's father was a Cuban.

I kind of agree with the Post, because that's what I thought generally, if a local girl moves to France and has a child with a Frenchman then the child is a dual citizen, French and American.

But I also thought that being natural born meant more than being a US citizen, it meant being born here. If the drafters of the Constitution had meant citizen they would have said "citizen."

This also occurred with McCain. He was born in the Panama Canal district - but the US considered that US soil, so he was considered "natural born." It wasn't just whether he was a citizen. They had hearings on it.

Cruz was not born here, or else that whole rigamarole with McCain was pointless and I doubt McCain was jumping through pointless hoops.

At least on US soil... even if a military base elsewhere. That's where McCain was born.

Right that's what I mean, a military base or embassy, or maybe even a US ship.

Especially in service to America.

Absolutely.

 

[Sarnoff]

But I also thought that being natural born meant more than being a US citizen, it meant being born here. If the drafters of the Constitution had meant citizen they would have said "citizen."

This also occurred with McCain. He was born in the Panama Canal district - but the US considered that US soil, so he was considered "natural born." It wasn't just whether he was a citizen. They had hearings on it.

Cruz was not born here so he can't be president, or else that whole rigamarole with McCain was pointless and I doubt McCain was jumping through pointless hoops. And Obama's team would have said the BC didn't matter because he did not have to be born here anyway, but they never ever said that, they just said the BC just said he was born in HI, which it did.

This is incorrect:

The Naturalization Act of 1790, passed by the First Congress, reads that any person "born beyond the sea or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."

If the Constitution merely said "citizen", it would imply that immigrants who attain citizenship later in life would also be eligible, and they wanted to avoid that. Hence they specified "natural born" as opposed to "naturalized".

I don't believe there were "hearings" regarding McCain. Just that Congress passed a mostly ceremonial Joint Resolution that both he and Obama were eligible to be President.

 

[Fennis]

Its also has never been ruled on.

If Obama was born a US Citizen in Kenya (or Cruz in Canada), it is possible that the courts would rule they were not eligible, that natural born means born in the US, US territories or military bases.

If born in Kenya, Obama would not have been born a U.S. citizen.

Ok wait, this is purely academic but, this is WaPo:

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

Is the Post wrong here?

Obama's mother was a US citizen (KS, WA, HI) but hypothetically the claim was she gave birth in Kenya.

Cruz's mother was a US citizen (not sure where from) but the fact is she gave birth in Canada.

Obama's father was a Kenyan.

Cruz's father was a Cuban.

I kind of agree with the Post, because that's what I thought generally, if a local girl moves to France and has a child with a Frenchman then the child is a dual citizen, French and American.

But I also thought that being natural born meant more than being a US citizen, it meant being born here. If the drafters of the Constitution had meant citizen they would have said "citizen."

This also occurred with McCain. He was born in the Panama Canal district - but the US considered that US soil, so he was considered "natural born." It wasn't just whether he was a citizen. They had hearings on it.

Cruz was not born here, or else that whole rigamarole with McCain was pointless and I doubt McCain was jumping through pointless hoops.

At least on US soil... even if a military base elsewhere. That's where McCain was born.

Right that's what I mean, a military base or embassy, or maybe even a US ship.

Especially in service to America.

Absolutely.

If your interpretation of the Constitution is that people born on military bases are eligible, I don't see how you don't come to the same conclusion for Cruz. US military bases are not American soil. You are born in a foreign country if you are born on a US base. But you are still a US citizen at birth.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Bigbottom is right about the birther difference between Obama and Cruz.

When Obama was born (1961), the jus sanguinis (citizenship by way of blood relation, as opposed to jus soli, citizenship by being born on the soil of the country) law read:

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:[9]

1. The person's parents were married at the time of birth
2. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
3. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
4. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday

Obama's father was not a citzen, so, all of the tests would apply to Obama's mother. He passes on the first three criteria, his parents were married at the time, his mother was a US citizen, and she lived in the US for at least 10 years before he was born. However, he fails on the 4th test: his mother did not spend 5 of 10 years living in the US after her 14th birthday. The reason being that she was only 18 at the time of his birth, so she had only spent 4 years after her 14th birthday living in the US.

Therefore, Obama would have no claim to jus sanguinis US citizenship. His only claim of US citizenship is having been born with the US.

Ted Cruz was born in Canada. His mother was definitely a US citizen. His father fled Castro's Cuba at a young age and did not officially become a US citizen until 2005. Therefore, the same 4-part test applied to Obama above would be used on Cruz. 1) His parents were married at the time of his birth, 2) His mother was a US citizen, born in Delaware in 1935, 3) she lived in the US for at least 10 years prior to his birth, and 4) 5 of those 10 years were after the age of 14. (We know she spent at least 4 years at Rice University in the 1950s.)

So, Cruz passes all 4 tests because his mother was older. Obama would not because he fails #4, which was in effect until 1986. So Obama must have been born within the US to qualify for citizenship.

However, he fails on the 4th test: his mother did not spend 5 of 10 years living in the US after her 14th birthday. The reason being that she was only 18 at the time of his birth, so she had only spent 4 years after her 14th birthday living in the US.

Wait a second, I don't think this is right:

Ann Dunham was born 11/29/42

Ann is 14 yo on 11/29/56

Ann married BHO Sr. 2/2/61 - she was age 18 (tricky thing here is BHO, Sr. was already married so arguably bigamy was not legal so... anyway never mind)

Ann gives birth to BHO II 8/4/61 - age 18

BHO Sr. leaves for MA June-August 1962

Ann marries Lolo Soetero in HI USA 1965

Ann and BHO II move to Indonesia Oct. 1967 - Age 25

BHO II returns to the USA Aug. 1971, raised by his grandparents

(Source - wiki)

It looks to me like Ann Dunham was in the USA almost 11 consecutive years after her 14th birthday.

So (an imaginary Kenyan born) Obama should have passed the test anyway.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Its also has never been ruled on.

If Obama was born a US Citizen in Kenya (or Cruz in Canada), it is possible that the courts would rule they were not eligible, that natural born means born in the US, US territories or military bases.

If born in Kenya, Obama would not have been born a U.S. citizen.

Ok wait, this is purely academic but, this is WaPo:

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970, to an American mother and Cuban father. Because of his mother's nationality, Cruz instantly became a U.S. citizen.

Is the Post wrong here?

Obama's mother was a US citizen (KS, WA, HI) but hypothetically the claim was she gave birth in Kenya.

Cruz's mother was a US citizen (not sure where from) but the fact is she gave birth in Canada.

Obama's father was a Kenyan.

Cruz's father was a Cuban.

I kind of agree with the Post, because that's what I thought generally, if a local girl moves to France and has a child with a Frenchman then the child is a dual citizen, French and American.

But I also thought that being natural born meant more than being a US citizen, it meant being born here. If the drafters of the Constitution had meant citizen they would have said "citizen."

This also occurred with McCain. He was born in the Panama Canal district - but the US considered that US soil, so he was considered "natural born." It wasn't just whether he was a citizen. They had hearings on it.

Cruz was not born here, or else that whole rigamarole with McCain was pointless and I doubt McCain was jumping through pointless hoops.

At least on US soil... even if a military base elsewhere. That's where McCain was born.

Right that's what I mean, a military base or embassy, or maybe even a US ship.

Especially in service to America.

Absolutely.

If your interpretation of the Constitution is that people born on military bases are eligible, I don't see how you don't come to the same conclusion for Cruz. US military bases are not American soil. You are born in a foreign country if you are born on a US base. But you are still a US citizen at birth.

Well that's what the McCain hearings were all about. I think BST was saying that military bases are considered as US soil. I accept that. If you want to say McCain shouldn't have been eligible either well ok but I am very happy to say that someone born to a serviceman or diplomat representing our country on a little square patch we call our own is natural born.

[Edited] Scratch that, actually it was because the Canal Zone was a US territory at the time, like Guam or Somoa. So that was the US. I'd agree with including US territories.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawyers-conclude-mccain-is-natural-born/

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

But I also thought that being natural born meant more than being a US citizen, it meant being born here. If the drafters of the Constitution had meant citizen they would have said "citizen."

This also occurred with McCain. He was born in the Panama Canal district - but the US considered that US soil, so he was considered "natural born." It wasn't just whether he was a citizen. They had hearings on it.

Cruz was not born here so he can't be president, or else that whole rigamarole with McCain was pointless and I doubt McCain was jumping through pointless hoops. And Obama's team would have said the BC didn't matter because he did not have to be born here anyway, but they never ever said that, they just said the BC just said he was born in HI, which it did.

This is incorrect:

The Naturalization Act of 1790, passed by the First Congress, reads that any person "born beyond the sea or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."

If the Constitution merely said "citizen", it would imply that immigrants who attain citizenship later in life would also be eligible, and they wanted to avoid that. Hence they specified "natural born" as opposed to "naturalized".

I don't believe there were "hearings" regarding McCain. Just that Congress passed a mostly ceremonial Joint Resolution that both he and Obama were eligible to be President.

Ah, ok. Thanks.

ETA: apparently there was a legal review done.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawyers-conclude-mccain-is-natural-born/

"Based on the original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers' intentions, and subsequent legal and historical precedent, Senator McCain's birth to parents who were U.S. citizens, serving on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, makes him a 'natural born citizen' within the meaning of the Constitution," the review found.

 

[Sarnoff]

Bigbottom is right about the birther difference between Obama and Cruz.

When Obama was born (1961), the jus sanguinis (citizenship by way of blood relation, as opposed to jus soli, citizenship by being born on the soil of the country) law read:

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:[9]

1. The person's parents were married at the time of birth
2. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
3. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
4. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday

Obama's father was not a citzen, so, all of the tests would apply to Obama's mother. He passes on the first three criteria, his parents were married at the time, his mother was a US citizen, and she lived in the US for at least 10 years before he was born. However, he fails on the 4th test: his mother did not spend 5 of 10 years living in the US after her 14th birthday. The reason being that she was only 18 at the time of his birth, so she had only spent 4 years after her 14th birthday living in the US.

Therefore, Obama would have no claim to jus sanguinis US citizenship. His only claim of US citizenship is having been born with the US.

Ted Cruz was born in Canada. His mother was definitely a US citizen. His father fled Castro's Cuba at a young age and did not officially become a US citizen until 2005. Therefore, the same 4-part test applied to Obama above would be used on Cruz. 1) His parents were married at the time of his birth, 2) His mother was a US citizen, born in Delaware in 1935, 3) she lived in the US for at least 10 years prior to his birth, and 4) 5 of those 10 years were after the age of 14. (We know she spent at least 4 years at Rice University in the 1950s.)

So, Cruz passes all 4 tests because his mother was older. Obama would not because he fails #4, which was in effect until 1986. So Obama must have been born within the US to qualify for citizenship.

However, he fails on the 4th test: his mother did not spend 5 of 10 years living in the US after her 14th birthday. The reason being that she was only 18 at the time of his birth, so she had only spent 4 years after her 14th birthday living in the US.

Wait a second, I don't think this is right:

Ann Dunham was born 11/29/42

Ann is 14 yo on 11/29/56

Ann married BHO Sr. 2/2/61 - she was age 18 (tricky thing here is BHO, Sr. was already married so arguably bigamy was not legal so... anyway never mind)

Ann gives birth to BHO II 8/4/61 - age 18

BHO Sr. leaves for MA June-August 1962

Ann marries Lolo Soetero in HI USA 1965

Ann and BHO II move to Indonesia Oct. 1967 - Age 25

BHO II returns to the USA Aug. 1971, raised by his grandparents

(Source - wiki)

It looks to me like Ann Dunham was in the USA almost 11 consecutive years after her 14th birthday.

So (an imaginary Kenyan born) Obama should have passed the test anyway.

The statute reads "5 of these 10 years", referring to the 10 years in section 3, which are all before the child's birth. I erred in shortening it in the explanation.

I presume the intent was to prevent someone who only spent the first 10 years of their life in the US, then moving overseas for like 20 years, their formative years, from still being able to pass along citizenship automatically.

 

[Koya]

Ok. Let's get off where someone was born to get back to discussing the dangerous, unfounded rantings of Ted Cruz.

 

[Fennis]

Ok. Let's get off where someone was born to get back to discussing the dangerous, unfounded rantings of Ted Cruz.

meh, too easy.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Cruz has foreign ideas.

 

[Koya]

Ok. Let's get off where someone was born to get back to discussing the dangerous, unfounded rantings of Ted Cruz.

meh, too easy.

You'd think. And yet, here we are.