Jason Wood
Zoo York
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chris Chambers
Darrell Jackson
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jerry Porter
Laveranues Coles
Shaun McDonald
Brandon Lloyd
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What do the following WRs have in common? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Jason Wood
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Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chris Chambers
Darrell Jackson
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jerry Porter
Laveranues Coles
Shaun McDonald
Brandon Lloyd
diesel7982
Footballguy
Black?
All still on the board when the Eagles drafted? I know CJohnson, Reggie Wayne, Chris Chambers & Steve Smith were available when they took Freddie "My Hands Are So Great" Mitchell in '01.
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chris Chambers
Darrell Jackson
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jerry Porter
Laveranues Coles
Shaun McDonald
Brandon Lloyd
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boubucarow
Footballguy
Did you think that all of them would be on the Eagles at some point?
And you are stuck with Pinky and Gaffey.
And you are stuck with Pinky and Gaffey.
diesel7982
Footballguy
That works, but the inclusion of Shaun McDonald makes that unlikely to be the answer.
diesel7982
Footballguy
All still on the board when the Eagles drafted? I know CJohnson, Reggie Wayne, Chris Chambers & Steve Smith were available when they too Freddie "My Hands Are So Great" Mitchell in '01.
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chris Chambers
Darrell Jackson
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jerry Porter
Laveranues Coles
Shaun McDonald
Brandon Lloyd
Although in the same draft Chicago took David Terrell (pick #8) and Washington took Rod Gardner (pick #15)....Mitchell was #25, Wayne #30, CJohnson #36....All still on the board when the Eagles drafted? I know CJohnson, Reggie Wayne, Chris Chambers & Steve Smith were available when they too Freddie "My Hands Are So Great" Mitchell in '01.
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chris Chambers
Darrell Jackson
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jerry Porter
Laveranues Coles
Shaun McDonald
Brandon Lloyd
Hear-the-Footsteps
Footballguy
Don't mean to hijack - but if you haven't gotten over your Eagles taking Freddie over any of those guys - consider that the Giants could have taken Shaun Alexander when they took Ron Dayne.Still haven't gotten over that.I think this list represents the WRs taken after the Eagles had selected a WR.
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chris Chambers
Darrell Jackson
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jerry Porter
Laveranues Coles
Shaun McDonald
Brandon Lloyd
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Ugly list. You'd think a team the chucks the ball every down would be able to spot WR talent.
diesel has the best answer.
diesel has the best answer.
I can *almost* feel sympathy for Giants fans....almost.Don't mean to hijack - but if you haven't gotten over your Eagles taking Freddie over any of those guys - consider that the Giants could have taken Shaun Alexander when they took Ron Dayne.Still haven't gotten over that.I think this list represents the WRs taken after the Eagles had selected a WR.
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chris Chambers
Darrell Jackson
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jerry Porter
Laveranues Coles
Shaun McDonald
Brandon Lloyd
T
trader jake
Guest
what team couldn't you do this for?
Whatevaman15
Footballguy
None of them have been in my kitchen.
Cannon Fodder
Footballguy
None of them are as good as Larry Fitzgerald.
houndirish
Footballguy
Damn ... I rifled through this post to see if anyone beat me to the Cliff Claybon Jeopardy response. Well played
Neo
The Dude minds
Yeah, but the Giants had Tiki, who did the Eagles have?Don't mean to hijack - but if you haven't gotten over your Eagles taking Freddie over any of those guys - consider that the Giants could have taken Shaun Alexander when they took Ron Dayne.Still haven't gotten over that.I think this list represents the WRs taken after the Eagles had selected a WR.
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chris Chambers
Darrell Jackson
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jerry Porter
Laveranues Coles
Shaun McDonald
Brandon Lloyd
2001 NFL Draft
25 Philadelphia Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA
30 Indianapolis Reggie Wayne WR Miami
33 Cleveland Quincy Morgan WR Kansas State
36 Cincinnati Chad Johnson WR Oregon State
41 Green Bay Robert Ferguson WR Texas A&M
52 Miami Chris Chambers WR Wisconsin
74 Carolina Steve Smith WR Utah
77 Kansas City Marvin Minnis WR Florida State
116 St. Louis Milton Wynn WR Washington State
124 Tennessee Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
131 Minnesota Cedric James WR Texas Christian
136 Atlanta Vinny Sutherland WR Purdue
140 Seattle Alex Bannister WR Eastern Kentucky
148 Detroit Scotty Anderson WR Grambling
153 New Orleans Onome Ojo WR Cal-Davis
154 Washington Darnerien McCants WR Delaware State
159 Tennessee Eddie Berlin WR Northern Iowa
162 N.Y. Giants Jonathan Carter WR Troy
169 San Francisco Cedrick Wilson WR Tennessee
190 Denver Kevin Kasper WR Iowa
197 St. Louis Francis St. Paul WR Northern Arizona
204 Cincinnati T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR Oregon State
Starters and notable part timers are bolded...
oops
25 Philadelphia Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA
30 Indianapolis Reggie Wayne WR Miami
33 Cleveland Quincy Morgan WR Kansas State
36 Cincinnati Chad Johnson WR Oregon State
41 Green Bay Robert Ferguson WR Texas A&M
52 Miami Chris Chambers WR Wisconsin
74 Carolina Steve Smith WR Utah
77 Kansas City Marvin Minnis WR Florida State
116 St. Louis Milton Wynn WR Washington State
124 Tennessee Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
131 Minnesota Cedric James WR Texas Christian
136 Atlanta Vinny Sutherland WR Purdue
140 Seattle Alex Bannister WR Eastern Kentucky
148 Detroit Scotty Anderson WR Grambling
153 New Orleans Onome Ojo WR Cal-Davis
154 Washington Darnerien McCants WR Delaware State
159 Tennessee Eddie Berlin WR Northern Iowa
162 N.Y. Giants Jonathan Carter WR Troy
169 San Francisco Cedrick Wilson WR Tennessee
190 Denver Kevin Kasper WR Iowa
197 St. Louis Francis St. Paul WR Northern Arizona
204 Cincinnati T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR Oregon State
Starters and notable part timers are bolded...
oops
Couch Potato
Footballguy
What I think is funnier is that 1st rounder Freddie Mitchell's own UCLA teammate was undrafted free agent Drew Bennett.
So much for all the zillions pumped into rookie selection analysis.
So much for all the zillions pumped into rookie selection analysis.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Alex Bannister has made multiple Pro Bowls as a Special Teams ace. I think Philly would go for that over what Freddie did for the franchise you think?
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
CLASSIC
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Jason, is this thread a possible lament due to the Eagles failure in landing Eric Moulds for a conditional 4th or 5th round pick? If I remember, you might have been one of the guys opposed to bringing in Moulds. IIRC, Moulds signed at a lesser salary than what he was going to make in Buffalo, as was expected. The Philly thread was full of homers saying what a stupid move bringing Moulds in would be while the Texans homers exhibited optimism. Maybe I'll find the thread where this trade was discussed ad nauseam and post it here so you can go back and compare. Seems the Eagles homers were like
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chris Chambers
Darrell Jackson
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jerry Porter
Laveranues Coles
Shaun McDonald
Brandon Lloyd
me a river but don't try and help me either.Moulds looking to play for PhillyNow this is not an attack thread buthere are some of your thoughts......
I'm fine with bringing him in under the right terms, but frankly I don't think he's indicated a willingness to play for said terms. I also continue to view this as a one way street in terms of interest until proven otherwise. A non-elite, non-WCO veteran receiver past the age of 30 asking for WR1 money? That's sort of the blueprint for the kinds of guys Philly avoids, much less signs.
QUOTE(Andy Dufresne @ Mar 27 2006, 11:46 AM)
QUOTE(Jason Wood @ Mar 27 2006, 08:44 AM)
A non-elite, non-WCO veteran receiver past the age of 30 asking for WR1 money?
You don't think that Moulds could be a #1? I think there's about a dozen teams in the league that have #1's way worse than Moulds and the Eagles are one of them.
In Reid's system? Certainly not in the first year.
QUOTE(Aaron Rudnicki @ Mar 27 2006, 06:46 PM)
The Bills ran the WCO under Mike Sheppard in 2001 when they went 3-13 in Gregg Williams' first year as head coach. Sheppard came over from Seattle, where he had learned under Mike Holmgren, so I wonder if that system was somewhat similar to the one in Philly?
Anyway, it was a miserable season with Alex Van Pelt at QB for most of the year, and Moulds finished with 67 receptions for 904 yards and 5 TDs. No matter where he ends up, I'm pretty certain that Moulds will have better numbers in 2006 than any WR currently on the Eagles roster.
That's a fair point Ruds. Sheppard is another Holmgren disciple, to be sure, although from what I understand few if any coaches in the league have as detailed a playbook as Andy.
Me respondding to zadok in same post:
Better players make better teams. Moulds is better than any WR you have. The only guy who COULD BE, Emphasizing COULD BE, as in has the POTENTIAL to be, is Reggie Brown. That said, he's going to have to accomplish a lot to ever measure up to what Moulds has done. Now Moulds is a little older now but I see no reason why bringing in a veteran WR, especially to augment a WRing core that is LACKING, is a bad idea. He might not throw up 1400 yards and 10 TD's but geeze, can't you see the guy is still VERY talented? There are other teams competing for his services. This guy will be making plays in the NFL next year whereas other than Reggie, I see pretty much ALL the Eagles WR's STRUGGLING to make plays. It just makes sense.
Put in another scenario. The other guy Houston went after hard was Ike Bruce. Essentially, Houston is offering Moulds about the same contract, which means they think they are similar players. You'd rather pass on Ike Bruce because he's not going to improve your WRing core of Reggie Brown (2nd year player) , Stinkston, GregLewis (Undrafted FA the Birds like and have kept around because of his low salary), the scrub from San Diego or Houston (teams that have definite WR needs), Billy McMullen, and a rookie WR (which hardly ever produce)?
Tell me his skills are declining (still a quality WR), he costs too much (I'm a franchise with a closing window of winning a Super Bowl and I think I can talk him down some) , and has a bad attitude (reflected in a competitive spirit when he's been surrounded by a crappy team that's dug it's own holes) , and hasn't produced at an elite #1 clip (reflective of the complete crap he's had on his team) and I'll gladly welcome you into my division as an owner so I'll have two easy wins every year on my NFL schedule.
For all you guys saying Moulds in not an upgrade for the Eagles, what kind of numbers do you think he'd have thrown up playing for the Rams and Eagles, two pass happy teams, the last few years? I'd dare say you'd be singing a different tune then. I'm sure Mike Martz would have loved to have had him and if he had been playing with the Eagles you might have actually won a Super Bowl or at least had a receiver other than T.O. throw up a 1,000 yard season (in a 70% pass 30% run offense no less).
I say if you guys can't be excited about giving up a 4th round pick for Eric Moulds on a reduced contract with the team you currently have (and its potential), yall' should seriously just think about resigning FREDDIE MITCHELL or some other bum.
my sign off from the thread:
you guys should head over to the Texans sign Mould thread and see how a quality WR is appreciated. The pessimism in this thread I just can't understand. I guess it has to do with that Santa Claus thing.
P.S. have fun watching your crappy WRing core costing your team a chance at the Super Bowl AGAIN this year.
stupid Birds
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
what team couldn't you do this for?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hey Englishteacher,Yep, I did say that. But if you'll notice, Moulds didn't sign for WR1 money and he didn't cost a lot. Still no real indication that the Eagles were ever interested heavily (in fact, Len Pasquarelli says the Eagles never were really in the hunt), but I would've certainly welcomed brining in Moulds for a 5th rounder and $5 million guaranteed.Jason, is this thread a possible lament due to the Eagles failure in landing Eric Moulds for a conditional 4th or 5th round pick? If I remember, you might have been one of the guys opposed to bringing in Moulds. IIRC, Moulds signed at a lesser salary than what he was going to make in Buffalo, as was expected. The Philly thread was full of homers saying what a stupid move bringing Moulds in would be while the Texans homers exhibited optimism. Maybe I'll find the thread where this trade was discussed ad nauseam and post it here so you can go back and compare. Seems the Eagles homers were like
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chris Chambers
Darrell Jackson
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jerry Porter
Laveranues Coles
Shaun McDonald
Brandon Lloyd
Now this is not an attack thread buthere are some of your thoughts......
I'm fine with bringing him in under the right terms, but frankly I don't think he's indicated a willingness to play for said terms. I also continue to view this as a one way street in terms of interest until proven otherwise. A non-elite, non-WCO veteran receiver past the age of 30 asking for WR1 money? That's sort of the blueprint for the kinds of guys Philly avoids, much less signs.
As to this list...as some have guessed, all these receivers were available when the Eagles drafted Freddie Mitchell, Todd Pinkston and Billy McMullen.
houndirish
Footballguy
AND none of them have been in whataveman's kitchen.Hey Englishteacher,Yep, I did say that. But if you'll notice, Moulds didn't sign for WR1 money and he didn't cost a lot. Still no real indication that the Eagles were ever interested heavily (in fact, Len Pasquarelli says the Eagles never were really in the hunt), but I would've certainly welcomed brining in Moulds for a 5th rounder and $5 million guaranteed.Jason, is this thread a possible lament due to the Eagles failure in landing Eric Moulds for a conditional 4th or 5th round pick? If I remember, you might have been one of the guys opposed to bringing in Moulds. IIRC, Moulds signed at a lesser salary than what he was going to make in Buffalo, as was expected. The Philly thread was full of homers saying what a stupid move bringing Moulds in would be while the Texans homers exhibited optimism. Maybe I'll find the thread where this trade was discussed ad nauseam and post it here so you can go back and compare. Seems the Eagles homers were like
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chris Chambers
Darrell Jackson
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jerry Porter
Laveranues Coles
Shaun McDonald
Brandon Lloyd
Now this is not an attack thread buthere are some of your thoughts......
I'm fine with bringing him in under the right terms, but frankly I don't think he's indicated a willingness to play for said terms. I also continue to view this as a one way street in terms of interest until proven otherwise. A non-elite, non-WCO veteran receiver past the age of 30 asking for WR1 money? That's sort of the blueprint for the kinds of guys Philly avoids, much less signs.
As to this list...as some have guessed, all these receivers were available when the Eagles drafted Freddie Mitchell, Todd Pinkston and Billy McMullen.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Wood, you are correct. However, it was common knowledge that Moulds was going to sign for less money wherever he went so long as he got out of Buffalo. I suspect he'd have even signed for less for Philly, like 4 or 4.5, as opposed to going to the Texans.Hey Englishteacher,Yep, I did say that. But if you'll notice, Moulds didn't sign for WR1 money and he didn't cost a lot. Still no real indication that the Eagles were ever interested heavily (in fact, Len Pasquarelli says the Eagles never were really in the hunt), but I would've certainly welcomed brining in Moulds for a 5th rounder and $5 million guaranteed.Jason, is this thread a possible lament due to the Eagles failure in landing Eric Moulds for a conditional 4th or 5th round pick? If I remember, you might have been one of the guys opposed to bringing in Moulds. IIRC, Moulds signed at a lesser salary than what he was going to make in Buffalo, as was expected. The Philly thread was full of homers saying what a stupid move bringing Moulds in would be while the Texans homers exhibited optimism. Maybe I'll find the thread where this trade was discussed ad nauseam and post it here so you can go back and compare. Seems the Eagles homers were like
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Chris Chambers
Darrell Jackson
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jerry Porter
Laveranues Coles
Shaun McDonald
Brandon Lloyd
Now this is not an attack thread buthere are some of your thoughts......
I'm fine with bringing him in under the right terms, but frankly I don't think he's indicated a willingness to play for said terms. I also continue to view this as a one way street in terms of interest until proven otherwise. A non-elite, non-WCO veteran receiver past the age of 30 asking for WR1 money? That's sort of the blueprint for the kinds of guys Philly avoids, much less signs.
As to this list...as some have guessed, all these receivers were available when the Eagles drafted Freddie Mitchell, Todd Pinkston and Billy McMullen.
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