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What good is the AC Forum? (1 Viewer)
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I never heard of an "insurgency"....surely he must be a backup so I'd keep him on the bench!
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I'd start him over Tolbert, I know that much.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
This thread is only useless because Joe & Co have dropped the ball on what once was the anthem they were belting out during the early weeks of the season. Seemed to work well.Wouldn't be necessary if they started enforcing their own rules.
SuperGreen
Footballguy
most of the posts here are WDIS and FFA fodder...i gave up caring about it
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
for some reason WDIS aren't moderated when phrased " I'm playing/benching 'player X' for _______".
Do you lose sleep over it?Are you gonna be the board avenger now?Let the mods do their job the way they see fit, the hell does it matter to you, there's 50 threads on the first page alone, I'm sure that can distract you on your sleepless nights.
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Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
A better question is: What good is the AC Forum if NOBODY goes there? Seriously, the SP is where the action is and everyone knows it. I'm in enough leagues that most of the "nobody cares about your team" threads or questions actually do pertain to me. So, I welcome properly nuanced "AC" questions in the SP.
footballnerd
Footballguy
It is getting hard to find older threads that were buried, even with search.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
It would help if people used players' actual given names in the thread titles.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
that should be a hint right there.Fear The Turtle said:
Catbird
Footballguy
Most of the 'offending threads' are like, 'I have to start either Harvin or Crabtree this week. What do you guys think?' And that is really the question of which guy will do better Sunday and could as easily have been asked as. 'Who do you like Sunday, Harvin or Crabtree.' Its a discussion-worthy topic that isn't boggeddown with, 'these are my lneup slots and guys playing against a particular opposing QB and stud RBs or whatever, and so what should I do?' (which
IMO are the ones that need to get moved).
I like a legit discussion comparing two (or three) players that are in interesting situations. I think the Mods try to allow these and root out the owner's roater specific questions, which is exactly what I think they should be doing.
I don't know why a comparison thread (that a lot of people may like) seems to set off some control freak mindsets who are intent on defining and eliminating good discussions, but I realize guys are who they are. For me, please leave in any legit discussion evaluating players. I also suggest that guys who don't like reading such comparisons ... simply don't?
IMO are the ones that need to get moved).
I like a legit discussion comparing two (or three) players that are in interesting situations. I think the Mods try to allow these and root out the owner's roater specific questions, which is exactly what I think they should be doing.
I don't know why a comparison thread (that a lot of people may like) seems to set off some control freak mindsets who are intent on defining and eliminating good discussions, but I realize guys are who they are. For me, please leave in any legit discussion evaluating players. I also suggest that guys who don't like reading such comparisons ... simply don't?
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Who really cares? Is your real life that boring? Skip the ####### threads, jesus!
DoubleG
Footballguy
In all honesty, the "comparison" or "I am starting _________ over Calvin this week"-type threads I see as having some value. Ironically, it's related to value.
That is, I might have players that I view to be of similar prodcution as player X (one of the one's being asked about). If people are replying that player X is going to blow up, or has a really tough matchup or plays poorly (or well) against the team his facing this week, etc. it will help me better understand the value of my player(s).
Obviously, if the player in question holds no interest for me - then I just skip to the next thread on the page.
I mean seriously...this is a FF website. We all come on here for one reason (well, mostly). To gauge player value (or possible production) - whether they are hurt, starting, have a bad matchup, are losing a step, are playing a team that they usually blow up against, are playing in a blizzard. Anything that helps in that regard (which many of these threads do) I'm fine with.
That is, I might have players that I view to be of similar prodcution as player X (one of the one's being asked about). If people are replying that player X is going to blow up, or has a really tough matchup or plays poorly (or well) against the team his facing this week, etc. it will help me better understand the value of my player(s).
Obviously, if the player in question holds no interest for me - then I just skip to the next thread on the page.
I mean seriously...this is a FF website. We all come on here for one reason (well, mostly). To gauge player value (or possible production) - whether they are hurt, starting, have a bad matchup, are losing a step, are playing a team that they usually blow up against, are playing in a blizzard. Anything that helps in that regard (which many of these threads do) I'm fine with.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Who wants someone to answer your ACF questions then want you to answer theirs? I mean, why would anyone want an answer from someone who has trouble setting their own lineup? If I happen to post an ACF question I hope like hell there isn't a "Please see mine" at the bottom of the post. That tells me the blind is leading the blind.Fear The Turtle said:
DoubleG
Footballguy
We all have had the experience of being too close to a situation to be able to sort through the minusha in our minds. The idea that the AC is just full of people who have no clue is a little unfair, imho. Sure, there are WDIS threads that seem silly, but there are also those situations that are valid value questions that someone just wants some feedback from someone who is more objective (i.e. doesn't necessarily have the players in question on their teams, thus are emotionally detatched from the situation). Don't get me wrong. When I do wander into the AC, I will not even open a thread that says something like "Here are my 6 WRs - pick 3". That just indicates someone who is too lazy to manage their own roster. But if it's "We have to start 3 WRs and I'm torn between A & B for my WR3" and they even give reasons and opponents and such - I'm more than happy to offer some objective input. And if I happend to have ADP and Gerhart this week, I might ask some thought in return. Does that make me a moron?
Doug B
Footballguy
Fear The Turtle said:
This is where I'm at. Never minded well-rendered, thought-provoking WDIS questions in the Shark Pool. I like the self-policing that get's done in response to naked WDIS questions, where other posters grill the requestor a little bit and make the WDIS guy think.General discussions about the "startability" of certain players are very welcome to me. Specific WDIS questions usually create board clutter, but now and then lead to interesting discussions.
EDIT: what Catbird and DoubleG said in posts #14 & #17.
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squistion
Footballguy
I see this point raised quite often, however it is wrong to assume that if someone can't answer their own question they can't help answer yours. Sometimes people have a unique perspective on a particular player and maybe 90% of the time you wouldn't want their input, but this might be the 10% of the time they actually know what they are talking about. Be skeptical and take what people say with a grain of salt, but I think it is arrogant to completely dismiss someone's viewpoint because they have some player issue of their own that they want help with.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
sort through the what now?
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
This is a much bigger problem than the constant barrage of WDIS threads. It seems every other week someone starts a new thread on player x, and if they would just bump an old thread it would also bump the quality discussion that already took place. Not too many people want to make the same argument every week unless new information comes about.
DoubleG
Footballguy
You know, the ####. Sorry if I can't spell. I can spell #### just fine, but it just looks like "####'.
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Doug B
Footballguy
It's Japanese for "minutiae"
Doug B
Footballguy
Mostly disagree, though I concede that when to start new threads is more art than science. Usually, old threads about Player X contain mostly outdated information. There's no reason, hypothetically, why discussions about Antonio Gates need to be all contained in a single thread that was first posted in August.
massraider
Footballguy
1. You might be sick of them, but that doesn't mean they aren't right. No one cares about your team. 2. You don't know what else there is to talk about? Really. Than someone else's fantasy team. Seriously?As far as people telling everyone to ignore the thread, you can't. It's easy to spot and avoid WDIS threads, but what if it's an injury thread? If one of your players is hurt, and you go into the thread looking for news on that player, how many "I am screwed, and I also have Romo on my team! Would you pick up Ryan Fitzpatrick in a 10 team league?" comments do you have to sift through?The OP is right, it's way too much nonsense.
Are you reporting threads you see that are over the line?A quick look at the Front page shows this. (Sorry for the crappy formatting)It doesn't seem to me that 30% of those are WDIS threads.Does it to you?Jcobalt_27 said:
Grab Dixon ASAP! 12Westbrook sits out practice with ankle injury95 gbill2004 5459 Today, 01:41 PMLast post by: coltsnut What good is the AC Forum?If 30% of all posts in the SP are WDIS?31 cobalt_27 600 Today, 01:41 PMLast post by: Cunk A Sigh of Relief - MRI Shows Andre Re-tweaked Ankle2 JD8p 31 Today, 01:40 PMLast post by: pantagrapher What kind of value does Jahvid Best have? 1270 solorca 2563 Today, 01:38 PMLast post by: lynx4ben Moved: VICK GOT HIT LATE ALL GAMEhad his face mask pulled& defenders lead wit their helment. NO CAL-- dawhole9 -- Today, 01:37 PMLast post by: Domination Pierre GarconValue for ROS?25 Hank Mardukas 948 Today, 01:37 PMLast post by: C-Bound Poll: Vick a 1st Round fantasy pick next year? 12your thoughts?58 thehornet 1075 Today, 01:35 PMLast post by: Banger Poll: Who's MVP? 123» 7Through 8 weeks319 stuckinthemuck 5744 Today, 01:35 PMLast post by: David Yudkin Roethlisberger's Injury - Conflicting Reports 12Ben's foot may or may not actually be broken.51 brewer 1509 Today, 01:32 PMLast post by: Steeler Andre Johnson to get an MRI on his ankle30 JohnnyU 686 Today, 01:32 PMLast post by: Power Monster Commish ProblemBenching Team to get best draft pick30 whoiskb 326 Today, 01:32 PMLast post by: LittlePhatty *** Official 2010 Philadelphia Eagles Thread *** 123» 562782 Jason Wood 69635 Today, 01:31 PMLast post by: Insein Mike Hart (RB, Ind) -- Don't Fall Asleep On This GuyPracticed Fully; Reports of 50/50 with D. Brown9 kyoun1e 514 Today, 01:30 PMLast post by: tigerz Andre J's 3 yard run- should be catch for 3 yards?19 kinged 652 Today, 01:30 PMLast post by: fatmnkypants Can Danario Alexander help us win playoff games?Hoo is hurt, Gibson/Robinson meh, Amendola just slot guy...27 Brady Gaga 1130 Today, 01:30 PMLast post by: packersfan Lesean mccoys dynasty stock19 eakfootball 602 Today, 01:30 PMLast post by: Concept Coop Adrian Peterson: MRI on ankle Monday 1234155 stronger88 10319 Today, 01:29 PMLast post by: az_prof Percy HarvinDamn migraines...
That really is a good point. We do need to try and get more of you good posters into the AC forum. I've just not been able to get that done.But I'm open to ideas.J
footballnerd
Footballguy
Personally I wouldn't rely on a poll to decide my fate and would rather piece together all the plentiful analysis available in the SP. The info to make your decision is out there you just have to take the time to study up. AC WDIS just seem like the "easy" way to get there.
That being said I don't mind a general well thought out versions in the SP that can group all users of a particular player together, just don't want 1000 different versions of Mike Hart vs...... and make the SP look like the AC.
These words still shouldn't totally be overlooked in FBG "Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum."
That being said I don't mind a general well thought out versions in the SP that can group all users of a particular player together, just don't want 1000 different versions of Mike Hart vs...... and make the SP look like the AC.
These words still shouldn't totally be overlooked in FBG "Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum."
Thanks. The thing that I've always tried to let drive the decision is whether a significant number of people are interested in the topic. "My commish cheated me" is not Shark Pool content. "Tips for being a better commish" would be.Same with players. It seems to me that some folks think any thread discussing a player is WDIS. If that's the case, we won't have any threads at all in the Shark Pool. I should do a better job describing what we want but again for the players, it's the same "make it apply to a significant number of people". "Should I start Adrian Peterson over MJD?" is not shark pool content. But the Shark Pool is definitely the place to discuss Peterson's injury and his chances for playing this week. So I'm not sure how to best make that work. The one thing that is super helpful in keeping the board in shape is for folks to report threads. There are a few of you that help a great in that way. Most don't though. So if you see an obvious wdis thread, please report it so we can move.Thanks.J
Stiffer penalties for breaking the rules. If it becomes such that you can't make those posts/threads in the SP because you will be banned/infracted, you won't have any choice but to post in the AC.Personally, I can't stand it. At least I know I'm not alone. The "I'm starting X player over _______" are easy to avoid, but that doesn't mean those type of threads can't clutter up the SP. The worst is when you have a constant WDIS questions contained within an otherwise informative and thought provoking discussion. I can't simply "skip" them because I've already read them by then. Just my .02. Have you thought about "hiring" (obviously for free) regular SP posters to help moderate the forums? It works very well for other sites.
ceo3west
Footballguy
Jene Bramel gives good advice in the IDP assistant coach forum every week. I'd like to see some staffers answer questions in the ACF, this would probably get more people posting in there as well. Also, it would be great to see individual player discussion threads weekly in the AC forum. So you would have one thread on say Brian Westbrook, and people could discuss who they would or wouldn't start over him. Having a million threads with different scenarios drives people away. Every week there are fringe starters, ie flex players, which merit discussion at each position. Why not start a thread about each? This would cut down on the number of threads significantly, and get a bunch of people who all have that player joining in on the discussion in one thread.
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WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
I don't see the big deal. I never start those types of threads in the SP, but it sure as hell don't bother me. I just skip over them and move on.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
There are some great ideas in here.
Childress
Footballguy
With the wannabee Strategy Thread and the trader joe thread in the AC, as well the staffer's twitter accounts, and the emails which they make available at footballguys.com, it baffles me why there are still inappropriate threads in the shark pool (the accessibility of the FBGs experts is amazing).
With that said the WDIS threads really don't bother me as much as it does everyone else (I barely notice it).
With that said the WDIS threads really don't bother me as much as it does everyone else (I barely notice it).
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I know Jeff P has a thread in there, but I think if the staff stopped in there and posted thoughts on questions etc...it may intrigue more people. I think people respect your opinion as well as the others on the staff more than you realize. I also know everyone has a busy schedule, I guess it comes down to how important is it to you.Joe Bryant said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Saw this after I posted, similar ideas and good to see I wasn't the only one thinking this way.ceo3west said:
montanagold
Footballguy
I think the problem is no one goes to the AC forum..... and when you do ask a question you get a fast random answer with a response like: now please answer mine!!cobalt_27 said:
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Wait. So, if threads don't get reported, it's valid Shark Pool material? That seems like a departure from past standards of practice. Besides, I think the point is that a lot of people clearly want lineup advice and, thus, the pool of *reporters* is diminished by the high demand for the WDIS types of questions. Just seemed like this was strongly discouraged as inappropriate for the SP in the past. I could be wrong.Joe Bryant said:
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Of course not. But reporting helps a lot. We have a few people that help us keep an eye out for wdis threads that are posted in the sp and it's by far the best way to help us keep it clean.Do you really think 30% of the front page is wdis?J
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Not always. But last night was pathetic. Seems like it's gotten worse. Too many to report. But, the new tactic seems to be the whole, "I'm starting ________ over X,Y,Z, etc." Not a huge deal. But, I know the content of the SP has always been your bread and butter, and I know I'm not the only one annoyed that it's become more prevalent/acceptable.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Make banned posters only able to post there...x number of posts equal x number of days taken off? It's not like people stay banned, so might as well make them work a bit if they want their old username back.
Just spitballing any crazy idea that pops into my head.
Just spitballing any crazy idea that pops into my head.
