What happened in Cincinnati Saturday night? (1 Viewer)

[General Tso]

gotta be schtick.

What has to be schtick is you saying the Final Cut is an abomination.

Oh it's an abomination alright. It can be viewed one of 2 ways: worst Floyd album or best Waters solo album. If viewed as best Waters solo album it's not too bad.

It's not even that. Amused to Death crushes it.

Oh, not you too Ghost. Final Cut was Floyd at its absolute best. All the heart and soul, with none of the background nonsense and shleppy metaphors. Lyrically a masterpiece as well. One of the greatest albums ever made in my opinion.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The lyrics are great, yes, but the music is too bleak, and the memorable melodies are lacking. Waters is like 1b on my list of rock lyricists, so he'll always get his due from me regarding those, but the lack of collaboration with the others was really striking starting with The Final Cut.

 

[3C's]

gotta be schtick.

What has to be schtick is you saying the Final Cut is an abomination.

Oh it's an abomination alright. It can be viewed one of 2 ways: worst Floyd album or best Waters solo album. If viewed as best Waters solo album it's not too bad.

It's not even that. Amused to Death crushes it.

That's sad then. Not a fan of Water's solo stuff.

FTR, not a fan of Gilmour's solo stuff either.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

"Oi...Get your filthy hands off my desert!"
"What 'e say?"

 

[Tom Skerritt]

You mean the part where I quoted the online article that referred to the attack being about 40 on 1? That huge egregious BS? Or was it when I described him as being beaten to within an inch of his life?

The only BS in here was you and others coming into a thread about a horrific crime and arguing about meaningless details like that. It was childish and dumb, and not a good reflection on you personally. And rather than double down on it you should have just walked away and learned from it. That's the part that's maddening to me. As I said before, this was a horrific, severe beating by any standard - and that's all that matters. For you to insinuate over and over again that it wasn't so, because he only spent 20 hours in the hospital, is completely tone deaf, and quite honestly an insult to the sensibilities of anyone with even the smallest amount of empathy. Who knows why he was released from the hospital after 20 hours. Maybe the guy didn't have health insurance. Maybe he had to get back home to Indiana. Maybe he's just tough as nails. Who knows. What we do know is that he had a concussion, broken nose, facial contusions, and as we saw in the video, was pretty much beaten to a pulp by a mob that clearly singled him out, and I would argue because of racial animus. You can choose to argue the details as to whether it was "an inch of his life" or if the mob was actually "40", but yeah - when you choose to do that rather than engage in a meaningful discussion about the very serious nature of the crime and the deteriorating status of race relations in our country today - I think most people would agree that that was the real BS in this thread.

FWIW... he wasn't beat by a mob. It was mainly one guy. Mabye one other guy got a shot or two in, but definitely not a mob.

 

[urbanhack]

gotta be schtick.

Horrific.

 

[General Tso]

gotta be schtick.

Horrific.

Interesting that the first and only time you use the word horrific in this thread is in response to my opinions. An innocent white man, the only white person in the crowd that I can see, is robbed and then beaten by multiple blacks, in a town that has had some pretty notoriorious anti-white hate crimes recently - not horrific.After being beaten to a pulp he lies on the sidewalk unconscious while a group of giddy black youths taunt and laugh at him. A couple of decent souls take the matter seriously, but by and large the group shows not one bit of care or concern for a man who could be dead for all they know - not horrific.

The General posts the videos and calls out the Liberal bias and hypocrisy - horrific.

I agree with you. It has been horrific in here at times seeing the horrible double standard that exists today, not to mention what appears to be an emerging phenomenon in this country of escalating hate crimes being perpetrated by blacks against whites. I think I might start a separate thread for it because it needs to be discussed. The narrative being pitched by minorities, Liberals, and the national news networks simply doesn't jive with reality. I am seeing anti-white hate crimes being committed almost daily. They are not being covered by the national network news. So people are left with the perception that all the active racism in the country today is being manifested in white on black violence, particularly by the Police. It is factually incorrect and disproportionately reported when it does occur. Heard a black activist on the radio this week make that hate crimes are "overwhelmingly committed by whites on blacks". He went on to say that incidents like the one in Cincinnati are "extremely remote". I believe the guy sincerely believes it, because the anti-white crimes aren't being covered adequately enough. The result is a highly distorted picture of racism in America, which is only serving to make matters worse in my opinion.

 

[matuski]

Tso keeps gripping tighter and tighter.

Going full golddigger.

 

[General Tso]

Last night in Chicago...

CHICAGO (WLS) -- Her car damaged, her nerves shaken, the victim of an alleged group attack near the University of Chicago campus with her children in the back seat of her car talked exclusively with ABC7 Eyewitness News about the incident Friday night.Police say two people were arrested and charged, but Susan Pedersen says several dozen people were involved in the incident that left her two kids covered in broken glass.

The encounter left several dents in the vehicle and shattered the back window.

"I'm very scared, very anxious, nervous. Just fearful," she said.

Broken glass littered the pavement at 60th and King Drive across from Washington Park, where the attack took place around 9 p.m. Thursday night.

Pedersen says she had just dropped off a friend at the University of Chicago with her daughter and son in the back seat. She said she stopped at a red light and found herself surrounded by several dozen young people.

"They were walking around both sides of the vehicle - in the front, in the back - and as they were walking across, they were hitting my car, using racial slurs and telling me that I didn't belong in their neighborhood because I was white," Pedersen said.

The group, all African-American, she says, kicked the vehicle and shook it violently. Her children were in the back screaming.

Pedersen said one person was on a bicycle - the group used it as a battering ram, shattering the back window, with glass flying into the third-row seat where 3-year-old Benjamin was seated. The broken glass left cuts on the boy.

Pedersen said a police car, which happened to be nearby, arrived and the group scattered.

Police say two juveniles were arrested. Pedersen, however, is still unnerved.

"This is something that's going to stay with me for the rest of my life," she said.

Police say the two juveniles have been charged with misdemeanor criminal damage to property, but Pedersen says this was more than a property crime and she would like more serious charges filed.

What do you think urban? This was in your neck of the woods. Horrific?

 

[General Tso]

Tso keeps gripping tighter and tighter.

Going full golddigger.

I fully expect that as I continue to broach this difficult subject in here the Liberals will obfuscate the issue and make it about me.

 

[sho nuff]

UNDER SIEGE!

LIBERALS!

 

[General Tso]

UNDER SIEGE!

LIBERALS!

I also expect there to be useless babble from the usual suspects - Sho Nuff and Todd Andrews - who unfortunately can't string together enough lucid moments to carry on a conversation. Such is life in the FFA.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Interesting that the first and only time you use the word horrific in this thread is in response to my opinions. An innocent white man, the only white person in the crowd that I can see, is robbed and then beaten by multiple blacks, in a town that has had some pretty notoriorious anti-white hate crimes recently - not horrific.

After being beaten to a pulp he lies on the sidewalk unconscious while a group of giddy black youths taunt and laugh at him. A couple of decent souls take the matter seriously, but by and large the group shows not one bit of care or concern for a man who could be dead for all they know - not horrific.

The General posts the videos and calls out the Liberal bias and hypocrisy - horrific.

I agree with you. It has been horrific in here at times seeing the horrible double standard that exists today, not to mention what appears to be an emerging phenomenon in this country of escalating hate crimes being perpetrated by blacks against whites. I think I might start a separate thread for it because it needs to be discussed. The narrative being pitched by minorities, Liberals, and the national news networks simply doesn't jive with reality. I am seeing anti-white hate crimes being committed almost daily. They are not being covered by the national network news. So people are left with the perception that all the active racism in the country today is being manifested in white on black violence, particularly by the Police. It is factually incorrect and disproportionately reported when it does occur. Heard a black activist on the radio this week make that hate crimes are "overwhelmingly committed by whites on blacks". He went on to say that incidents like the one in Cincinnati are "extremely remote". I believe the guy sincerely believes it, because the anti-white crimes aren't being covered adequately enough. The result is a highly distorted picture of racism in America, which is only serving to make matters worse in my opinion.

So what are YOU going to do about it? Besides whine incessantly about it of course?

 

[sho nuff]

UNDER SIEGE!

LIBERALS!

I also expect there to be useless babble from the usual suspects - Sho Nuff and Todd Andrews - who unfortunately can't string together enough lucid moments to carry on a conversation. Such is life in the FFA.

Almost everything you have posted has been useless babble. You are the Usual Suspect here...not bright enough to figure it out though.

 

[General Tso]

Interesting that the first and only time you use the word horrific in this thread is in response to my opinions. An innocent white man, the only white person in the crowd that I can see, is robbed and then beaten by multiple blacks, in a town that has had some pretty notoriorious anti-white hate crimes recently - not horrific.

After being beaten to a pulp he lies on the sidewalk unconscious while a group of giddy black youths taunt and laugh at him. A couple of decent souls take the matter seriously, but by and large the group shows not one bit of care or concern for a man who could be dead for all they know - not horrific.

The General posts the videos and calls out the Liberal bias and hypocrisy - horrific.

I agree with you. It has been horrific in here at times seeing the horrible double standard that exists today, not to mention what appears to be an emerging phenomenon in this country of escalating hate crimes being perpetrated by blacks against whites. I think I might start a separate thread for it because it needs to be discussed. The narrative being pitched by minorities, Liberals, and the national news networks simply doesn't jive with reality. I am seeing anti-white hate crimes being committed almost daily. They are not being covered by the national network news. So people are left with the perception that all the active racism in the country today is being manifested in white on black violence, particularly by the Police. It is factually incorrect and disproportionately reported when it does occur. Heard a black activist on the radio this week make that hate crimes are "overwhelmingly committed by whites on blacks". He went on to say that incidents like the one in Cincinnati are "extremely remote". I believe the guy sincerely believes it, because the anti-white crimes aren't being covered adequately enough. The result is a highly distorted picture of racism in America, which is only serving to make matters worse in my opinion.

So what are YOU going to do about it? Besides whine incessantly about it of course?

Interesting choice of words, whining. Curious, did you have the same comments in the Ferguson thread? Or the 71 page Freddie Gray thread? Eric Garner? Walter Scott? The McKinney thread?

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Interesting that the first and only time you use the word horrific in this thread is in response to my opinions. An innocent white man, the only white person in the crowd that I can see, is robbed and then beaten by multiple blacks, in a town that has had some pretty notoriorious anti-white hate crimes recently - not horrific.

After being beaten to a pulp he lies on the sidewalk unconscious while a group of giddy black youths taunt and laugh at him. A couple of decent souls take the matter seriously, but by and large the group shows not one bit of care or concern for a man who could be dead for all they know - not horrific.

The General posts the videos and calls out the Liberal bias and hypocrisy - horrific.

I agree with you. It has been horrific in here at times seeing the horrible double standard that exists today, not to mention what appears to be an emerging phenomenon in this country of escalating hate crimes being perpetrated by blacks against whites. I think I might start a separate thread for it because it needs to be discussed. The narrative being pitched by minorities, Liberals, and the national news networks simply doesn't jive with reality. I am seeing anti-white hate crimes being committed almost daily. They are not being covered by the national network news. So people are left with the perception that all the active racism in the country today is being manifested in white on black violence, particularly by the Police. It is factually incorrect and disproportionately reported when it does occur. Heard a black activist on the radio this week make that hate crimes are "overwhelmingly committed by whites on blacks". He went on to say that incidents like the one in Cincinnati are "extremely remote". I believe the guy sincerely believes it, because the anti-white crimes aren't being covered adequately enough. The result is a highly distorted picture of racism in America, which is only serving to make matters worse in my opinion.

So what are YOU going to do about it? Besides whine incessantly about it of course?

Interesting choice of words, whining. Curious, did you have the same comments in the Ferguson thread? Or the 71 page Freddie Gray thread? Eric Garner? Walter Scott? The McKinney thread?

So you're not going to do anything.

 

[General Tso]

UNDER SIEGE!

LIBERALS!

I also expect there to be useless babble from the usual suspects - Sho Nuff and Todd Andrews - who unfortunately can't string together enough lucid moments to carry on a conversation. Such is life in the FFA.

Almost everything you have posted has been useless babble. You are the Usual Suspect here...not bright enough to figure it out though.

Coming from the guy who hasn't posted one opinion in this entire thread, or even the remote resemblance of an intelligent thought. Face it dude - it's classic trolling. You see a poster or an idea you don't like, you attack meaningless details of the argument (it was not 40, he wasn't beaten to within an inch of his life, etc), then when you get called out on your useless presence in the thread you start with the personal attacks... Been watching you do it for years. It's tiresome, boring, childish, and brings nothing to the FFA. Tell you what, let's make a deal for the health of the FFA. Let's both put each other on ignore. You can go find someone else to troll, and I can stop wasting my time ##### slapping you back into place.

 

[Apple Jack]

this movement needs a folk hero and by golly, I think we've found him.

 

[joffer]

this movement needs a folk hero and by golly, I think we've found him.

he wasn't always like this was he?

 

[matuski]

Tso keeps gripping tighter and tighter.

Going full golddigger.

I fully expect that as I continue to broach this difficult subject in here the Liberals will obfuscate the issue and make it about me.

It was always about you.

Nobody is here for anything but you. We can only hope you stay in denial.

You are a star now.

 

[General Tso]

Interesting that the first and only time you use the word horrific in this thread is in response to my opinions. An innocent white man, the only white person in the crowd that I can see, is robbed and then beaten by multiple blacks, in a town that has had some pretty notoriorious anti-white hate crimes recently - not horrific.

After being beaten to a pulp he lies on the sidewalk unconscious while a group of giddy black youths taunt and laugh at him. A couple of decent souls take the matter seriously, but by and large the group shows not one bit of care or concern for a man who could be dead for all they know - not horrific.

The General posts the videos and calls out the Liberal bias and hypocrisy - horrific.

I agree with you. It has been horrific in here at times seeing the horrible double standard that exists today, not to mention what appears to be an emerging phenomenon in this country of escalating hate crimes being perpetrated by blacks against whites. I think I might start a separate thread for it because it needs to be discussed. The narrative being pitched by minorities, Liberals, and the national news networks simply doesn't jive with reality. I am seeing anti-white hate crimes being committed almost daily. They are not being covered by the national network news. So people are left with the perception that all the active racism in the country today is being manifested in white on black violence, particularly by the Police. It is factually incorrect and disproportionately reported when it does occur. Heard a black activist on the radio this week make that hate crimes are "overwhelmingly committed by whites on blacks". He went on to say that incidents like the one in Cincinnati are "extremely remote". I believe the guy sincerely believes it, because the anti-white crimes aren't being covered adequately enough. The result is a highly distorted picture of racism in America, which is only serving to make matters worse in my opinion.

So what are YOU going to do about it? Besides whine incessantly about it of course?

Interesting choice of words, whining. Curious, did you have the same comments in the Ferguson thread? Or the 71 page Freddie Gray thread? Eric Garner? Walter Scott? The McKinney thread?

So you're not going to do anything.

Not sure what your point is Tom. I'm doing a lot more than most by having the balls to even put this issue on the table. As for what I'm doing in my own slice of the world, none of this changes my politics or the way I interact with minorities. I continue to be an ardent supporter of equal access, equal opportunity, and fairness for all. I continue to do the same community outreach work that I've done for years, mostly involving drug and alcohol rehabilitation, and much of it involving mentoring and helping minorities and those looking for a second chance at life. What I love about that world is there is no black or white, rich or poor. Everyone is equal, everyone is a drink away from disaster, and everyone needs to be accountable for their own actions. I'll continue to be active in my church as well - not as diverse as I would like, and some legitimate problems there on the other side with regard to some white prejudices. I'll continue to love my sister who is half black, and my son who is named after a black person. The irony of my world is that my opinions on racism in here often have me labeled as a racist, when nothing could be further from the truth.If your question is what do I think a thread like this will accomplish, that's another question entirely, and one that I've given a lot of thought to. I certainly don't want to instigate any racial hatred from whites to blacks. But I do see a glaring problem right now in the context of race relations discussions in America today - and it is one of ignorance. I see the issue of racism as being grossly misrepresented. It is consistently painted as an issue of white malice towards blacks. The very real issue of police brutality has been hijacked as white racism. You ask people today what happened in Ferguson and you'll get a lot of responses, very few of which are the truth - that it was the justified shooting of a man who was attacking an officer. This conclusion wasn't just reached by the State, it as also validated by a Liberal, Federal inquiry by the DOJ. But the narrative remains - "Hands up, don't shoot". And the media feeds it. And we could go on and on here. Freddie Gray - 3 of the 4 officers charged with the felonies were black - including the one charged with murder. Eric Garner - the highest ranking cop at the scene was a black woman.

So the general public walks away from all this with the entirely wrong perception that there's a horrible problem with white racism in America again. And two things are happening as a result. One - blacks who are in many instances only getting the race baiting sound bites are becoming more and more enraged and racist themselves. There certainly appears to be a noticeable uptick in some pretty horrific crimes against whites recently. Attacking a women's care with two little kids in the back seat? When do we ever hear about this level of depravity? Second, and just as important - the REAL issues facing the black communities continue to go unaddressed. And what are those issues? First and foremost it's the breakdown of the family. Liberal policies the last 50 years have decimated black culture and made them dependent upon a welfare system that often makes it more attractive for women not to have their baby daddies in the house. In 1965 the Moynihan Report came out with its controversial finding that the breakdown of the black family was at the root of most of black cultural problems, and warned that the problem was likely to get worse. In 1965 25% of all black children were born to single moms. Today that number is 72%. This has created a culture of poverty and dependence in the black community, where children grow up without their black fathers actively engaged enough in their lives. The ultimate irony of Walter Scott is that he ran away from Officer Schlager because he was afraid of going to jail. Not because of a prior violent crime, but because of back child support which he could never repay in any 18 year period.

Moynihan was called a racist for his study, but history has born out that he was wiser than just about everyone else at the time. Unfortunately ignorance isn't in short supply in any generation, so we continue to spend all our time pumping out false narratives to explain the disparities we see today between the races. And this place does a particularly good job of feeding those false narratives. I've been saying for years that if black leaders spent less time race baiting and more time trying to tackle the cultural issues in their own communities, we could start to make significant strides in making this place a true melting pot. Because despite my rancorous nature in here recently, I'm actually a very optimistic person at heart, and in my opinion if the betterment of black people were presented in the appropriate manner I do believe a very large majority of white people would enthusiastically support it. But it won't work by calling them racists or bringing up the sins of slavery. When people are wrongly accused of something they usually respond very negatively.

We'll see what happens. My immediate concern is that the racial strife we are seeing, right now mostly black on white, needs to be better reported and analyzed. So yes, I will continue to post these incidents, because quite honestly you won't be seeing them discussed on the network news (Fox notwithstanding).

 

[matuski]

he racial strife we are seeing, right now mostly black on white

Pure gold.

 

[General Tso]

he racial strife we are seeing, right now mostly black on white

Pure gold.

You disagree with that? Got any facts to back that up? Because there are a ton of facts showing that black on white violence is far more pronounced in the recent past.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Stoking Fears About Interracial Crime — A Look at How Racists Do Math

 

[General Tso]

Stoking Fears About Interracial Crime — A Look at How Racists Do Math

http://downtrend.com/71superb/new-fbi-stats-blacks-more-likely-to-commit-hate-crimes-than-any-other-race

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Stoking Fears About Interracial Crime — A Look at How Racists Do Math

http://downtrend.com/71superb/new-fbi-stats-blacks-more-likely-to-commit-hate-crimes-than-any-other-race

QED

 

[General Tso]

Stoking Fears About Interracial Crime — A Look at How Racists Do Math

http://downtrend.com/71superb/new-fbi-stats-blacks-more-likely-to-commit-hate-crimes-than-any-other-race

QED

Cool usage of the Latin phrase, but I'm afraid I don't follow how the math in my article is inappropriate. I'm not saying you are wrong, just saying I don't see it...

The FBI just released the latest hate crime statistics and it doesn’t look good for the black community, which is portrayed as America’s biggest victim. In 2013 24.3% of all hate crime offenders were black. According to the last census, blacks make up 12.6% of the population. That means that blacks commit hate crimes at nearly double the rate of their population percentage.

 

[RBM]

Stoking Fears About Interracial Crime — A Look at How Racists Do Math

http://downtrend.com/71superb/new-fbi-stats-blacks-more-likely-to-commit-hate-crimes-than-any-other-race

QED

Cool usage of the Latin phrase, but I'm afraid I don't follow how the math in my article is inappropriate. I'm not saying you are wrong, just saying I don't see it...

The FBI just released the latest hate crime statistics and it doesn’t look good for the black community, which is portrayed as America’s biggest victim. In 2013 24.3% of all hate crime offenders were black. According to the last census, blacks make up 12.6% of the population. That means that blacks commit hate crimes at nearly double the rate of their population percentage.

About time for the excuse train to roll in...

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Stoking Fears About Interracial Crime — A Look at How Racists Do Math

http://downtrend.com/71superb/new-fbi-stats-blacks-more-likely-to-commit-hate-crimes-than-any-other-race

QED

Cool usage of the Latin phrase, but I'm afraid I don't follow how the math in my article is inappropriate. I'm not saying you are wrong, just saying I don't see it...

The FBI just released the latest hate crime statistics and it doesn’t look good for the black community, which is portrayed as America’s biggest victim. In 2013 24.3% of all hate crime offenders were black. According to the last census, blacks make up 12.6% of the population. That means that blacks commit hate crimes at nearly double the rate of their population percentage.

It is all covered in the original rebuttal.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Stoking Fears About Interracial Crime — A Look at How Racists Do Math

Thats very sloppy analysis...

 

[Short Corner]

Arrest made. No formal charges of ethnic intimidation, at least not against this punk. Just an old fashioned mugging and felony assault. As for the mob beating I still can't understand how an anti white bias can't be established. Either Raeshaun Hand has a lot of friends, or perhaps all those black people ganging up on McKnight were under the impression that McKnight robbed Hand? Couldn't possibly have been a case of people falling in line by race, right?

In any event, the useless thug is charged with felonious assault and being held on $100,000 bond. I think Sho Nuff, Todd and Short Corner should start a GoFundMe campaign for this poor lost soul. What do you think guys?

http://m.wlwt.com/news/suspect-arrested-in-connection-with-assault-near-fountain-square/34094662

I think you are mad that half of the crap you claimed was bs and you got called on it. Now you are obsessed with those who called you out.

You mean the part where I quoted the online article that referred to the attack being about 40 on 1? That huge egregious BS? Or was it when I described him as being beaten to within an inch of his life?

The only BS in here was you and others coming into a thread about a horrific crime and arguing about meaningless details like that. It was childish and dumb, and not a good reflection on you personally. And rather than double down on it you should have just walked away and learned from it. That's the part that's maddening to me. As I said before, this was a horrific, severe beating by any standard - and that's all that matters. For you to insinuate over and over again that it wasn't so, because he only spent 20 hours in the hospital, is completely tone deaf, and quite honestly an insult to the sensibilities of anyone with even the smallest amount of empathy. Who knows why he was released from the hospital after 20 hours. Maybe the guy didn't have health insurance. Maybe he had to get back home to Indiana. Maybe he's just tough as nails. Who knows. What we do know is that he had a concussion, broken nose, facial contusions, and as we saw in the video, was pretty much beaten to a pulp by a mob that clearly singled him out, and I would argue because of racial animus. You can choose to argue the details as to whether it was "an inch of his life" or if the mob was actually "40", but yeah - when you choose to do that rather than engage in a meaningful discussion about the very serious nature of the crime and the deteriorating status of race relations in our country today - I think most people would agree that that was the real BS in this thread.

 

[Two Deep]

Familar with the story, but only read last page of thread. General Tso makes sense and has real questions others have no real response or answers so they result to insults...

 

[gump]

Cops everywhere last night downtown, with ASG festivities beginning. We walked from the Square to the stadium...6-7 blocks...which got a little rough...but there were so many cops there was never any discomfort.

 

[matuski]

he racial strife we are seeing, right now mostly black on white

Pure gold.

You disagree with that? Got any facts to back that up? Because there are a ton of facts showing that black on white violence is far more pronounced in the recent past.

Keep it up!

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Familar with the story, but only read last page of thread. General Tso makes sense and has real questions others have no real response or answers so they result to insults...

• End the War on Drugs including the militarization of our police forces and privatization of our prisons
• Replace the Welfare State (including corporate welfare) with a Guaranteed Income
• Rebuild the nation's infrastructure including replacing burning fossil fuels for energy
• Public Universities and Colleges should be free to American Citizens and long term residents (legal or not)
• Universal healthcare including transportation to providers when needed

In other words trust that if "those people" are given good choices, given opportunities they will mostly take them. All or at least most of these General TSO outright rejects.

So ultimately how can there be this "adult conversation" when it is not about discussing ideas but a demand that nonsense be acknowledged. But it all makes sense to you!

 

[Uwe Blab]

Cops everywhere last night downtown, with ASG festivities beginning. We walked from the Square to the stadium...6-7 blocks...which got a little rough...but there were so many cops there was never any discomfort.

I've probably made this walk hundreds of times. What was "rough" about it? Honestly curious as I've never even had an inkling of anything other than walking down any typical city street in any town in America.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Familar with the story, but only read last page of thread. General Tso makes sense and has real questions others have no real response or answers so they result to insults...

• End the War on Drugs including the militarization of our police forces and privatization of our prisons
• Replace the Welfare State (including corporate welfare) with a Guaranteed Income
• Rebuild the nation's infrastructure including replacing burning fossil fuels for energy
• Public Universities and Colleges should be free to American Citizens and long term residents (legal or not)
• Universal healthcare including transportation to providers when needed

In other words trust that if "those people" are given good choices, given opportunities they will mostly take them. All or at least most of these General TSO outright rejects. So ultimately how can there be this "adult conversation" when it is not about discussing ideas but a demand that nonsense be acknowledged. But it all makes sense to you!

This is too logical. Maybe all the black people should just move to Finland.

 

[Two Deep]

Familar with the story, but only read last page of thread. General Tso makes sense and has real questions others have no real response or answers so they result to insults...

• End the War on Drugs including the militarization of our police forces and privatization of our prisons
• Replace the Welfare State (including corporate welfare) with a Guaranteed Income
• Rebuild the nation's infrastructure including replacing burning fossil fuels for energy
• Public Universities and Colleges should be free to American Citizens and long term residents (legal or not)
• Universal healthcare including transportation to providers when needed

In other words trust that if "those people" are given good choices, given opportunities they will mostly take them. All or at least most of these General TSO outright rejects.

So ultimately how can there be this "adult conversation" when it is not about discussing ideas but a demand that nonsense be acknowledged. But it all makes sense to you!

• What drugs? Weed agree...Meth etc. do not agree.
• Guaranteed income? If you work you are usually guaranteed an income.
• Agree.
• Agree ..disagree with providing services for illegals though
• For anybody 18 and under and full time students..anybody else can get off their ### and work for it or do without.

How are any of those ideas going to make the lazy- system users change their mindset? They work harder at not working than actually working.

ETA. I am referring to all races.

 

[rct]

Familar with the story, but only read last page of thread. General Tso makes sense and has real questions others have no real response or answers so they result to insults...

That certainly explains your take on this.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

How are any of those ideas going to make the lazy- system users change their mindset? They work harder at not working than actually working.

ETA. I am referring to all races.

You answered your own question. "lazy' does not correlate with income levels. A guaranteed income will eliminate the job of "gaming the system". It eliminates the welfare traps that make not working the appropriate choice. It also frees individual to work in areas that are not compensated well but still valuable to society.

 

[General Tso]

Familar with the story, but only read last page of thread. General Tso makes sense and has real questions others have no real response or answers so they result to insults...

• End the War on Drugs including the militarization of our police forces and privatization of our prisons
• Replace the Welfare State (including corporate welfare) with a Guaranteed Income
• Rebuild the nation's infrastructure including replacing burning fossil fuels for energy
• Public Universities and Colleges should be free to American Citizens and long term residents (legal or not)
• Universal healthcare including transportation to providers when needed

In other words trust that if "those people" are given good choices, given opportunities they will mostly take them. All or at least most of these General TSO outright rejects. So ultimately how can there be this "adult conversation" when it is not about discussing ideas but a demand that nonsense be acknowledged. But it all makes sense to you!

So now I see that your username is appropriate. You really are a bottom of the barrel type of guy, huh? You just totally misrepresented me on a number of the issues. Quite obvious you have absolutely no idea about my politics other than your simplistic, knee jerk reaction that since I criticize race relations in an unorthodox way I must be racist. Pretty low brow stuff dude.

Since you obviously don't know jack #### about me or my politics let me set the record straight. I have been highly critical of the war of drugs. I am a 32 year recovering alcoholic and addict and it's a topic Iunfortuntely know way more about than you could ever dream of. I've lost several friends to drugs, both to death and incarceration.

I've been critical of police abuse, though I've tempered my criticisms by focusing the issue on one of generic police over usage of force - with my solutions outlined in the Police thread being better training, body cameras, and federal oversight of police investigations and prosecutions. I have several times acknowledged implicit bias by police (and society at large) and have read and commented on all the recent studies by Harvard on the subject. So you're wrong on that as well.

Replace the welfare state with guaranteed income??? I don't know exactly what that means, but yes I am highly critical of the welfare state on a number of different fronts, and in general I strongly support the notion that people need to feel empowered and need to work.

Rebuild the nation's infrastructure and replace fossil fuels... Not sure how that is relevant to race relations, but I strongly support that as well.

Free college educations? Even for illegals? No. That's crazy talk right there.

Universal healthcare? Have always supported it. One of the main reasons I voted for Obama.

You don't know what you are talking about bottom feeder. You need to get out more and expand your horizons. There are a lot of black Conservatives out there who hold the exact same beliefs as I do. The only prejudice in this conversation is your unwillingness or inability to comprehend that a lot of Conservatives feel just as strongly about helping minorities succeed, only they see different ways of getting there. In my opinion the failed Liberal policies focus on lack of personal accountability, blaming others, and spoon feeding a people who have become dependent upon those handouts. Time for a change. Teach people how to fish, provide equal opportunity and equal access, and hold everyone accountable in a fair, consistent manner.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Familar with the story, but only read last page of thread. General Tso makes sense and has real questions others have no real response or answers so they result to insults...

• End the War on Drugs including the militarization of our police forces and privatization of our prisons
• Replace the Welfare State (including corporate welfare) with a Guaranteed Income
• Rebuild the nation's infrastructure including replacing burning fossil fuels for energy
• Public Universities and Colleges should be free to American Citizens and long term residents (legal or not)
• Universal healthcare including transportation to providers when needed

In other words trust that if "those people" are given good choices, given opportunities they will mostly take them. All or at least most of these General TSO outright rejects. So ultimately how can there be this "adult conversation" when it is not about discussing ideas but a demand that nonsense be acknowledged. But it all makes sense to you!

So now I see that your username is appropriate. You really are a bottom of the barrel type of guy, huh? You just totally misrepresented me on a number of the issues. Quite obvious you have absolutely no idea about my politics other than your simplistic, knee jerk reaction that since I criticize race relations in an unorthodox way I must be racist. Pretty low brow stuff dude.

Since you obviously don't know jack #### about me or my politics let me set the record straight. I have been highly critical of the war of drugs. I am a 32 year recovering alcoholic and addict and it's a topic Iunfortuntely know way more about than you could ever dream of. I've lost several friends to drugs, both to death and incarceration.

I've been critical of police abuse, though I've tempered my criticisms by focusing the issue on one of generic police over usage of force - with my solutions outlined in the Police thread being better training, body cameras, and federal oversight of police investigations and prosecutions. I have several times acknowledged implicit bias by police (and society at large) and have read and commented on all the recent studies by Harvard on the subject. So you're wrong on that as well.

Replace the welfare state with guaranteed income??? I don't know exactly what that means, but yes I am highly critical of the welfare state on a number of different fronts, and in general I strongly support the notion that people need to feel empowered and need to work.

Rebuild the nation's infrastructure and replace fossil fuels... Not sure how that is relevant to race relations, but I strongly support that as well.

Free college educations? Even for illegals? No. That's crazy talk right there.

Universal healthcare? Have always supported it. One of the main reasons I voted for Obama.

You don't know what you are talking about bottom feeder. You need to get out more and expand your horizons. There are a lot of black Conservatives out there who hold the exact same beliefs as I do. The only prejudice in this conversation is your unwillingness or inability to comprehend that a lot of Conservatives feel just as strongly about helping minorities succeed, only they see different ways of getting there. In my opinion the failed Liberal policies focus on lack of personal accountability, blaming others, and spoon feeding a people who have become dependent upon those handouts. Time for a change. Teach people how to fish, provide equal opportunity and equal access, and hold everyone accountable in a fair, consistent manner.

You have expressed Two Deep's opinion in response to the ending the war on drugs on multiple occasions. You rejected the Guaranteed Income(a unconditional monthly check to every American) at least once in the past three months, Those will have the biggest immediate impact. Have you changed your mind? Mix in "crazy talk" for education and you reject 3 out of 5.

Infrastructure improvements are less direct. They will just create the opportunities that come from economic growth,

But here you are given specific policy ideas for your "adult conversation" and instead of discussing them you go into a personal rant about how I am stereotyping you. I am being prejudice. It is always someone else's fault.

 

[General Tso]

Familar with the story, but only read last page of thread. General Tso makes sense and has real questions others have no real response or answers so they result to insults...

• End the War on Drugs including the militarization of our police forces and privatization of our prisons
• Replace the Welfare State (including corporate welfare) with a Guaranteed Income
• Rebuild the nation's infrastructure including replacing burning fossil fuels for energy
• Public Universities and Colleges should be free to American Citizens and long term residents (legal or not)
• Universal healthcare including transportation to providers when needed

In other words trust that if "those people" are given good choices, given opportunities they will mostly take them. All or at least most of these General TSO outright rejects. So ultimately how can there be this "adult conversation" when it is not about discussing ideas but a demand that nonsense be acknowledged. But it all makes sense to you!

So now I see that your username is appropriate. You really are a bottom of the barrel type of guy, huh? You just totally misrepresented me on a number of the issues. Quite obvious you have absolutely no idea about my politics other than your simplistic, knee jerk reaction that since I criticize race relations in an unorthodox way I must be racist. Pretty low brow stuff dude.

Since you obviously don't know jack #### about me or my politics let me set the record straight. I have been highly critical of the war of drugs. I am a 32 year recovering alcoholic and addict and it's a topic Iunfortuntely know way more about than you could ever dream of. I've lost several friends to drugs, both to death and incarceration.

I've been critical of police abuse, though I've tempered my criticisms by focusing the issue on one of generic police over usage of force - with my solutions outlined in the Police thread being better training, body cameras, and federal oversight of police investigations and prosecutions. I have several times acknowledged implicit bias by police (and society at large) and have read and commented on all the recent studies by Harvard on the subject. So you're wrong on that as well.

Replace the welfare state with guaranteed income??? I don't know exactly what that means, but yes I am highly critical of the welfare state on a number of different fronts, and in general I strongly support the notion that people need to feel empowered and need to work.

Rebuild the nation's infrastructure and replace fossil fuels... Not sure how that is relevant to race relations, but I strongly support that as well.

Free college educations? Even for illegals? No. That's crazy talk right there.

Universal healthcare? Have always supported it. One of the main reasons I voted for Obama.

You don't know what you are talking about bottom feeder. You need to get out more and expand your horizons. There are a lot of black Conservatives out there who hold the exact same beliefs as I do. The only prejudice in this conversation is your unwillingness or inability to comprehend that a lot of Conservatives feel just as strongly about helping minorities succeed, only they see different ways of getting there. In my opinion the failed Liberal policies focus on lack of personal accountability, blaming others, and spoon feeding a people who have become dependent upon those handouts. Time for a change. Teach people how to fish, provide equal opportunity and equal access, and hold everyone accountable in a fair, consistent manner.

You have expressed Two Deep's opinion in response to the ending the war on drugs on multiple occasions. You rejected the Guaranteed Income(a unconditional monthly check to every American) at least once in the past three months, Those will have the biggest immediate impact. Have you changed your mind? Mix in "crazy talk" for education and you reject 3 out of 5.

Infrastructure improvements are less direct. They will just create the opportunities that come from economic growth,

But here you are given specific policy ideas for your "adult conversation" and instead of discussing them you go into a personal rant about how I am stereotyping you. I am being prejudice. It is always someone else's fault.

On drugs, yes, I have posted against the concept of legalizing hard drugs (cocaine - heroine) several times. But quite honestly I have come around on the idea of de criminalization, and by that I mean still having those drugs be illegal, but if someone if caught doing them instead of locking them up getting them treatment. So we may be in agreement on that as well.I'm pretty open minded on just about any issue if a compelling case can be made. Someone in here made a very good case for decriminalization citing the Portugal policies. Not sure if that was you or not. But it was an effective argument and it did change my thinking on the subject.

 

[General Tso]

I'd be interested in hearing more about guaranteed income. I don't remember opening on that before. If you can direct me to the thread it sounds interesting.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Familar with the story, but only read last page of thread. General Tso makes sense and has real questions others have no real response or answers so they result to insults...

• End the War on Drugs including the militarization of our police forces and privatization of our prisons
• Replace the Welfare State (including corporate welfare) with a Guaranteed Income
• Rebuild the nation's infrastructure including replacing burning fossil fuels for energy
• Public Universities and Colleges should be free to American Citizens and long term residents (legal or not)
• Universal healthcare including transportation to providers when needed

In other words trust that if "those people" are given good choices, given opportunities they will mostly take them. All or at least most of these General TSO outright rejects. So ultimately how can there be this "adult conversation" when it is not about discussing ideas but a demand that nonsense be acknowledged. But it all makes sense to you!

So now I see that your username is appropriate. You really are a bottom of the barrel type of guy, huh? You just totally misrepresented me on a number of the issues. Quite obvious you have absolutely no idea about my politics other than your simplistic, knee jerk reaction that since I criticize race relations in an unorthodox way I must be racist. Pretty low brow stuff dude.

Since you obviously don't know jack #### about me or my politics let me set the record straight. I have been highly critical of the war of drugs. I am a 32 year recovering alcoholic and addict and it's a topic Iunfortuntely know way more about than you could ever dream of. I've lost several friends to drugs, both to death and incarceration.

I've been critical of police abuse, though I've tempered my criticisms by focusing the issue on one of generic police over usage of force - with my solutions outlined in the Police thread being better training, body cameras, and federal oversight of police investigations and prosecutions. I have several times acknowledged implicit bias by police (and society at large) and have read and commented on all the recent studies by Harvard on the subject. So you're wrong on that as well.

Replace the welfare state with guaranteed income??? I don't know exactly what that means, but yes I am highly critical of the welfare state on a number of different fronts, and in general I strongly support the notion that people need to feel empowered and need to work.

Rebuild the nation's infrastructure and replace fossil fuels... Not sure how that is relevant to race relations, but I strongly support that as well.

Free college educations? Even for illegals? No. That's crazy talk right there.

Universal healthcare? Have always supported it. One of the main reasons I voted for Obama.

You don't know what you are talking about bottom feeder. You need to get out more and expand your horizons. There are a lot of black Conservatives out there who hold the exact same beliefs as I do. The only prejudice in this conversation is your unwillingness or inability to comprehend that a lot of Conservatives feel just as strongly about helping minorities succeed, only they see different ways of getting there. In my opinion the failed Liberal policies focus on lack of personal accountability, blaming others, and spoon feeding a people who have become dependent upon those handouts. Time for a change. Teach people how to fish, provide equal opportunity and equal access, and hold everyone accountable in a fair, consistent manner.

You have expressed Two Deep's opinion in response to the ending the war on drugs on multiple occasions. You rejected the Guaranteed Income(a unconditional monthly check to every American) at least once in the past three months, Those will have the biggest immediate impact. Have you changed your mind? Mix in "crazy talk" for education and you reject 3 out of 5.

Infrastructure improvements are less direct. They will just create the opportunities that come from economic growth,

But here you are given specific policy ideas for your "adult conversation" and instead of discussing them you go into a personal rant about how I am stereotyping you. I am being prejudice. It is always someone else's fault.

On drugs, yes, I have posted against the concept of legalizing hard drugs (cocaine - heroine) several times. But quite honestly I have come around on the idea of de criminalization, and by that I mean still having those drugs be illegal, but if someone if caught doing them instead of locking them up getting them treatment. So we may be in agreement on that as well.I'm pretty open minded on just about any issue if a compelling case can be made. Someone in here made a very good case for decriminalization citing the Portugal policies. Not sure if that was you or not. But it was an effective argument and it did change my thinking on the subject.

Well cool. Now that we agree to promote then end the war on our urban centers, approach the high cost individually and societal of using drugs differently and hopefully more effectively (hard to believe anything can be less effective and more costly than the war on drugs) , eliminate the perverse economic incentives to participate in the drug market (both selling drugs and trying to police against it) we need to deal with there being even less economic opportunities.

Dealing with disparate economic opportunities is currently the welfare state. I assume that you don't need to be told the perverse economic incentives that the current forms of aid provide. Similarly the incentives to not form families (at least formally) as well as the incentives to be dishonest. These perverse incentives all go away with a guaranteed income. Sure those people that will be lazy will still be lazy. There will still be people that are going to spend all their income on feeding their addictions. But these aren't problems that are being created or made worst, simply things not solved. For the vast majority of those on the lower end of the income scale we have provided choice, provided opportunity. They now have the incentive to work for the things that make life worth living as opposed to not working to not risk loosing their ability to survive. For the vast majority of the rest of us it provides security in a future where most people are generally in the way of productivity. Finally guaranteed income is not controversial or partisan among economists. (At least until you get to specifics.)

 

[gump]

Cops everywhere last night downtown, with ASG festivities beginning. We walked from the Square to the stadium...6-7 blocks...which got a little rough...but there were so many cops there was never any discomfort.

I've probably made this walk hundreds of times. What was "rough" about it? Honestly curious as I've never even had an inkling of anything other than walking down any typical city street in any town in America.

The event is probably bringing everyone out good and bad...but there were some gatherings of some seedy looking people on a few corners. I agree not unlike most downtowns.

 

[sho nuff]

UNDER SIEGE!

LIBERALS!

I also expect there to be useless babble from the usual suspects - Sho Nuff and Todd Andrews - who unfortunately can't string together enough lucid moments to carry on a conversation. Such is life in the FFA.

Almost everything you have posted has been useless babble. You are the Usual Suspect here...not bright enough to figure it out though.

Coming from the guy who hasn't posted one opinion in this entire thread, or even the remote resemblance of an intelligent thought. Face it dude - it's classic trolling. You see a poster or an idea you don't like, you attack meaningless details of the argument (it was not 40, he wasn't beaten to within an inch of his life, etc), then when you get called out on your useless presence in the thread you start with the personal attacks... Been watching you do it for years. It's tiresome, boring, childish, and brings nothing to the FFA. Tell you what, let's make a deal for the health of the FFA. Let's both put each other on ignore. You can go find someone else to troll, and I can stop wasting my time ##### slapping you back into place.

Still telling you think claiming 40 on one beating to an inch of his life was just some trivial detail you got wrong.

Slapping me into place?

You just keep making a bigger fool of yourself

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I'd be interested in hearing more about guaranteed income. I don't remember opening on that before. If you can direct me to the thread it sounds interesting.

There is this thread but I believe that the best conversations on the topic are buried in miscellaneous other topics. Sorry!

Also one of the changes in the FFA has been the evolving notion that an income guarantee should a "minimum" to escape poverty or a "living" to deal with displacing jobs with technology. I'm sympathetic to some of the "living" arguments (and have even made some of them), but still mostly reside in the "minimum" camp. I'll switch when technology is more than disruptive, but it means fewer "man hours" equals more productivity.

 

[Two Deep]

Are the feds going to cut 350,000,000 + checks every month with this guaranteed income thing?

 

[3C's]

Are the feds going to cut 350,000,000 + checks every month with this guaranteed income thing?

Direct deposit is the wave of the future.