What has PACMAN done now? (1 Viewer)

[massraider]

let's not get carried away and pretend that Vegas is some Mormon haven and there is no crime there.. that the NBA players and their "posse scum" brought it all with them.

Well, that's certainly an extreme view, and probably not a very accurate one.The opposite end of that spectrum is dismissing all th stories as 'white paranoia'.

 

[Mediocrity]

How come this never happens when the NHL All-Star game comes to town?

 

[Joe Bryant]

How come this never happens when the NHL All-Star game comes to town?

Are you saying NFL players don't follow hockey?J

 

[Fiddles]

just read this rich mckay quote in an article about the rookie draft. seems to apply here:

"You have to realize that at the end of the day, we're still picking human beings and you never know how they'll react to the two things they've usually never had -- free time and money."

 

[Wilbur Wood]

There are articles everywhere (see Bill Simmons and Jason Whitlock) as to what an utter disgrace the "weekend" surrounding the NBA All Star game was in Las Vegas.In summary - the gangster/rap crowd was everywhere. NBA players and guys like PacMan had possees of "scum" everywhere. It was unsafe to walk the streets. Guys with wife's left town early because their ladies were getting "fondled" in the hallways. Stuff getting stolen everywhere. Just head a half-dozen callers on WFAN who were there (and all were long time Vegas visitors) corroborate all of this with first hand accounts.

gb white paranoia

Not sure what you're referring to here. Jason Whitlock is black. Is his article still "white paranoia?"

did he write the summary above?fact of the matter is when something like this happens.. people crawl out of the woodwork with their overblown second and third-hand accountings of what they heard happened. it's the telephone game.i'm sure there were fights and shootings... Vegas is a big town.. with lots of out-of-towners. kick in a couple hundred thousand visitors for the All-Star game and there are bound to be problems.to call people "scum" and pass along rumors as fact is taking it a bit far.

Did you even bother to read Jason Whitlock (who is black) or Bill Simmon's articles about the thuggery that pervaded NBA all star weekend?I have read both articles and other accounts, this "element" has been prevalent at an increased crescendo at the NBA all star game over the past 5 years.I also heard several first-hand accounts (yes all from WHITE middle and upper middle class people) who described the whole scene in vivid detail as HORRID. Stuff like the PacMan Jones affair (perhaps with the bullets missing their target, but the same potentiality) was rampant.Contrast this with the experience of going to a Super Bowl (the NFL's showcase event) and it is like night and day. So yeah, NFL players may get busted at the same rate as NBA players, but the "caliber" of the NFL fan that frequents the marquee events is light years ahead of the trash polluted Vegas this past weekend.

 

[Koya]

The law allows people to be charged as a group for actions taken in concert with each other. The key here will be the relationship of Jones with the shooter both in general and also that night.

That's not the only key. There has to be admissible evidence. So far the news stories are going on the words of someone with a vested interest in blaming a customer instead of an employee --- the club owner who doesn't want his club blamed for something. He didn't see the event, and says he talked to participants and watched a videotape.If the videotape and the reports of eyewitnesses are so convincing, the police will charge Jones. If it's a club owner just trying to point the blame away from his establishment and/or employees, perhaps the "evidence" so far is overstated, and won't result in any charges for Jones.Sometimes details like evidence and motivation get lost in the conversation when there's a desire to "convict" someone on the internet, you know?

No one is convicting. Besides, PacMan should have already spent time in Jail with the crap he's already done. We should accept LESS, not more by these hooligans parading as athletes.

 

[massraider]

I have never heard of money getting showered on strippers as a visual effect, certainly not by a customer that brings in 81,000 in cash to do it. They call all the strippers to the stage, throw money at them, but expect them to not pick it up?

 

[Mediocrity]

just read this rich mckay quote in an article about the rookie draft. seems to apply here:"You have to realize that at the end of the day, we're still picking human beings and you never know how they'll react to the two things they've usually never had -- free time and money."

"Pacman" Jones is pretty predictable though.

 

[JBTV]

Note to self: Don't "make it rain" at a strip club and then start a fight when the skanks start taking the money.

 

[Banger]

How long is it under PacMan is either dead, arrested or released due to his antics? I'd take the under on 2 years.

 

[Kiddnets]

I have never heard of money getting showered on strippers as a visual effect, certainly not by a customer that brings in 81,000 in cash to do it. They call all the strippers to the stage, throw money at them, but expect them to not pick it up?

they have to "earn" the money before picking it up - she broke the stripper code!!!

 

[fatness]

Pacman retains lawyer who represented Lewis

Terry McCormick

Special to the Herald-Citizen

INDIANAPOLIS -- Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones has retained the Atlanta-based law firm that successfully defended Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis on a double murder charges after a post-Super Bowl incident in 2000.

The law firm of Garland, Samuel & Loeb, P.C., which has extensive experience representing high-profile athletes who have had legal troubles, will now be Jones' lead counsel regarding the incident that took place Monday at the Minxx Gentleman's Club in Las Vegas. Nashville attorney Worrick Robinson will still be part of Jones' legal team as well.

Manny Arora will be taking the case for Jones, even though he has yet to be charged with anything in the matter and claims to be only a witness to the triple shooting in the parking lot that left one man paralyzed and two others injured. .............................

.................."I have spoken to the detective, and we will fully cooperate with their efforts," Arora said. "We do not plan to impede the police investigation in any way and will be available to answer any questions they might have."

'Pacman' Jones may not be on Titans roster next season, GM says

Adam "Pacman" Jones, entangled in a triple shooting at a Las Vegas strip club, might not be on the Tennessee Titans' roster next season.

Mike Reinfeldt, the team's new general manager, was asked at the NFL Combine about Jones' status after reports of the cornerback's involvement in the mayhem. He replied: "I would assume there is that potential."

The Titans have declined to comment on Monday's episode and coach Jeff Fisher tried to avoid questions on Jones by starting with an explanation of why he couldn't comment.

 

[bigreese82]

Just saw an interview on the local news with the club owner and he says he has received several death threats...keeps getting uglier and uglier

 

[billyjoe]

I'm not sure the big deal. He was not arrested for anything. A bad man at the club got pissed and started shooting. Tank Johnson did 100x worse, his bodyguard got killed, he had guns/pit bulls around his kids, but no one is talking about cutting Tank.

Pacman acts like a fool on stage, and he needs to be cut?

Chris Henry is the biggest ####-up in the NFL, and there's NO WAY he's getting cut. It's called talent. They cut Pacman or Henry and they'll have a job before they get to their car.

The league needs to mandate this stuff. Teams want to win, they're not going to police themselves. Isn't Albert "head stomper" Haynesworth still on the Titans? Isn't Fatdale "spit ball" White still on the team?

Who really cares. And who really cares about the Titans? Boo hoo. Titans should cut him.

Yeah so my team can sign him, after all, maybe a "fresh start" is what he needs. And we need a top 10 CB, works out perfectly! Thanks Titans!

99% of the board is thinking "this is news? NFL player, strip club at 4am, shots fired? Big shocker!".

The other 1% are here acting like Pacman is about to send American morality over the edge and throw us into an armageddon of social debauchery.



Fluff piece



offseason thread

 

[kingmalaki]

There are articles everywhere (see Bill Simmons and Jason Whitlock) as to what an utter disgrace the "weekend" surrounding the NBA All Star game was in Las Vegas.

In summary - the gangster/rap crowd was everywhere. NBA players and guys like PacMan had possees of "scum" everywhere. It was unsafe to walk the streets. Guys with wife's left town early because their ladies were getting "fondled" in the hallways. Stuff getting stolen everywhere. Just head a half-dozen callers on WFAN who were there (and all were long time Vegas visitors) corroborate all of this with first hand accounts.

gb white paranoia

Not sure what you're referring to here. Jason Whitlock is black. Is his article still "white paranoia?"

did he write the summary above?fact of the matter is when something like this happens.. people crawl out of the woodwork with their overblown second and third-hand accountings of what they heard happened. it's the telephone game.

i'm sure there were fights and shootings... Vegas is a big town.. with lots of out-of-towners. kick in a couple hundred thousand visitors for the All-Star game and there are bound to be problems.

to call people "scum" and pass along rumors as fact is taking it a bit far.

Did you even bother to read Jason Whitlock (who is black) or Bill Simmon's articles about the thuggery that pervaded NBA all star weekend?I have read both articles and other accounts, this "element" has been prevalent at an increased crescendo at the NBA all star game over the past 5 years.

I also heard several first-hand accounts (yes all from WHITE middle and upper middle class people) who described the whole scene in vivid detail as HORRID. Stuff like the PacMan Jones affair (perhaps with the bullets missing their target, but the same potentiality) was rampant.

Contrast this with the experience of going to a Super Bowl (the NFL's showcase event) and it is like night and day. So yeah, NFL players may get busted at the same rate as NBA players, but the "caliber" of the NFL fan that frequents the marquee events is light years ahead of the trash polluted Vegas this past weekend.

I read both of their articles and I was also in Vegas that weekend. I was also at the All-Star game and Superbowls in Houston as I live here. Vegas was a lil wild last weekend, similar to any huge event that I have attended in cities where they aren't big on law enforcement (i.e. Vegas & New Orleans). For example, the cops in Houston will bust your ### in a minute....so you didn't hear of too many stories like this coming from the All-Star game last year (I use last year's game as a reference since you say that "element" has been prevalent for the past 5 years or so). Vegas is a city where you can openly walk around getting drunk, where prostitution is basically legal, where the mantra is "what happens here stays here". I don't see why anyone is suprised that the festivities were a lil wilder than usual. IT WAS IN VEGAS!!!!

 

[titanpride]

The guy was in Vegas having a good time and some bad stuff happened enough said. The titans knew this guy was trouble when they drafted him and they are just going to have to put up with his anticis because that boy can flat out return punts like no one else. He needs to work on his cover skills and tackling but he is hands down the best punt returner in the league now. I would miss watching him every week so the titans better not think of cutting the Pacman!!!!

 

[mr. id]

there's a mall in Milwaukee called Mayfair. it's in a white neighborhood. predominantly a white clientele in a segregated town.

a few years back the mall opened a movie theater. big, brand new, playing all the latest releases in the newest technology. it drew crowds.. big crowds.. lots of black/hispanic kids that the area wasn't used to seeing.

went there to see a movie one nite.. a fight broke out in the mall. huge crowd of people. lots of kids. it was a couple young kids trying to look tough, throwing punches but mostly hitting nothing. security rushed in en masse and shut it down quick.

the next day i was reading accounts of witnesses who swear they saw a running gun battle in the food court, sporadic riots throughout the mall, huge gang fights breaking out in the crowd... all kinds of nonsense. just a load of ####. second and third hand accounts surely.

for the next couple weeks we heard stories on TV and in the paper almost every day about how dangerous the mall had become and how people weren't taking their kids there anymore because they could be murdered for no reason. just a total over-reaction. horribly embarrassing.

it's the telephone game. people hear something from someone who heard something and they relay it to someone else who blows it out of proportion. i think by the time i left Milwaukee it had become a genocidal attack that killed 30.



people tend to exaggerate their recounting of events. and in turn the people they tell fill in the blanks and exaggerate a little more.

apparently Jim Stingl agrees. there's actually talk of CLOSING THE MALL DOWN because of "the fear of violence". it's ALL perception!

if people had read the stories, had seen the TV news stories, listened to buzz on the street you'd have seriously feared for your very life if you chanced going to this mall. there was talk of "restricting" bus routes that brought people from Milwaukee's "central city" to the mall.

ridiculous.

one thing happens somewhere and it's passed on and on and on until it morphs in to a huge blowout. happens all the time.. everywhere. people like to fill in the blanks with their pre-conceived notions.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=571374

Mayfair fears don't match the facts

Posted: Feb. 27, 2007

Consider this number: 0.0001235.

No, it's not what Britney Spears' blood alcohol level is finally down to.

That's your chance of being involved in trouble at Mayfair, if we can believe the Wauwatosa mall's claim that it gets 17 million visitors a year and about 2,100 calls for the cops.

And it's not 2,100 theater riots or thugs with guns either. The number, about six calls a day on average, includes relatively minor things like shoplifting and fender-benders in the parking lot.

But because the latest bout of hand-wringing over the mall is more about perception than facts and figures, another crackdown was announced Tuesday.

New Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm said habitual offenders will be targeted, sometimes prosecuted criminally rather than given a ticket, and perhaps even banned from Mayfair.

Wait till these scofflaws find out there's no food court in jail.

The Cheesecake Factory at the mall will become the License Plate Factory for onsite punishment. OK, I made that part up, but I came away from Chisholm's office with the impression that Mayfair is not about to become Northridge (may it rest in peace) without a heck of a fight.

The subject of race never came up at the press conference. We can pretend that race is not fueling the fears of white shoppers who have detected actual black people at Mayfair. But you know it is. Years of living apart has assured that.

White people are afraid that black people bring with them all the chaos from Milwaukee that we hear about in the news - shootings, robberies, carjackings, bus-kickings and talking during movies.

Some do. In a conversation after the press briefing, Wauwatosa Police Chief Barry Weber estimated that 70% of those arrested at Mayfair are African-American, but then again that creepy guy caught trying to photograph a woman in a mall bathroom stall is white.

Chisholm, Weber and mall spokeswoman Nancy Conley told reporters that a tiny percentage of people at Mayfair cause the problems that keep reporters busy telling everyone what a hellhole it's supposedly becoming and endlessly re-running old video. Weber said he has detected roving bands of TV crews at the mall on Friday and Saturday nights just waiting for trouble to shoot.

The fact is that the overwhelming majority of shoppers, both black and white, behave just fine. Your odds of shopping unmolested and making it back to your car in one piece are excellent.

Mayfair isn't doing anything wrong. It's put together a stunning array of stores, restaurants and, gulp, theaters. It has plenty of security and a zero-tolerance policy for jerks who can't control themselves in public. And it's close to coming out with a policy that will require kids to be with their parents at certain times of day.

Bravo for the mall, Tosa police and Chisholm for keeping the heat on people who choose to be idiots and menaces.

The risk, of course, is that the more the mall becomes a special enforcement zone with a heavy focus on security, the more some people will worry it's dangerous.

At the moment, though, traffic and sales at the mall are both up, Conley said.

Let's see if we can all remain calm and, if possible, take a break from piling on Mayfair.

 

[Yenrub]

There are articles everywhere (see Bill Simmons and Jason Whitlock) as to what an utter disgrace the "weekend" surrounding the NBA All Star game was in Las Vegas.

In summary - the gangster/rap crowd was everywhere. NBA players and guys like PacMan had possees of "scum" everywhere. It was unsafe to walk the streets. Guys with wife's left town early because their ladies were getting "fondled" in the hallways. Stuff getting stolen everywhere. Just head a half-dozen callers on WFAN who were there (and all were long time Vegas visitors) corroborate all of this with first hand accounts.

gb white paranoia

Not sure what you're referring to here. Jason Whitlock is black. Is his article still "white paranoia?"

did he write the summary above?fact of the matter is when something like this happens.. people crawl out of the woodwork with their overblown second and third-hand accountings of what they heard happened. it's the telephone game.

i'm sure there were fights and shootings... Vegas is a big town.. with lots of out-of-towners. kick in a couple hundred thousand visitors for the All-Star game and there are bound to be problems.

to call people "scum" and pass along rumors as fact is taking it a bit far.

Did you even bother to read Jason Whitlock (who is black) or Bill Simmon's articles about the thuggery that pervaded NBA all star weekend?I have read both articles and other accounts, this "element" has been prevalent at an increased crescendo at the NBA all star game over the past 5 years.

I also heard several first-hand accounts (yes all from WHITE middle and upper middle class people) who described the whole scene in vivid detail as HORRID. Stuff like the PacMan Jones affair (perhaps with the bullets missing their target, but the same potentiality) was rampant.

Contrast this with the experience of going to a Super Bowl (the NFL's showcase event) and it is like night and day. So yeah, NFL players may get busted at the same rate as NBA players, but the "caliber" of the NFL fan that frequents the marquee events is light years ahead of the trash polluted Vegas this past weekend.

I read both of their articles and I was also in Vegas that weekend. I was also at the All-Star game and Superbowls in Houston as I live here. Vegas was a lil wild last weekend, similar to any huge event that I have attended in cities where they aren't big on law enforcement (i.e. Vegas & New Orleans). For example, the cops in Houston will bust your ### in a minute....so you didn't hear of too many stories like this coming from the All-Star game last year (I use last year's game as a reference since you say that "element" has been prevalent for the past 5 years or so). Vegas is a city where you can openly walk around getting drunk, where prostitution is basically legal, where the mantra is "what happens here stays here". I don't see why anyone is suprised that the festivities were a lil wilder than usual. IT WAS IN VEGAS!!!!

I am glad you posted this, I was wondering how the events in Vegas compared to what happen the year before in Houston.I am not sure what other cities have had the all star game recently but I don’t recall hearing about an extraordinary amount of crime associated with previous all star games.

 

[Tarkin]

Non-issue.

Listen, I know you have him in for a 3-year contract in your little IDP league, but this is an issue. He's scum and he's looking at murder.

Is this "Breaking News"? Did one of the shooting victims die?

sounds like they can get him on a couple of counts of aggravated assault and possibly a couple of counts of attempted murder. one of the victims was hit in the spine and is now paralyzed. ####### #######s. If true, he should be out of the league forever and locked up for a long time.

EDIT: Quoted wrong post. Sigh.

 

[Tarkin]

There are articles everywhere (see Bill Simmons and Jason Whitlock) as to what an utter disgrace the "weekend" surrounding the NBA All Star game was in Las Vegas.

In summary - the gangster/rap crowd was everywhere. NBA players and guys like PacMan had possees of "scum" everywhere. It was unsafe to walk the streets. Guys with wife's left town early because their ladies were getting "fondled" in the hallways. Stuff getting stolen everywhere. Just head a half-dozen callers on WFAN who were there (and all were long time Vegas visitors) corroborate all of this with first hand accounts.

gb white paranoia

Not sure what you're referring to here. Jason Whitlock is black. Is his article still "white paranoia?"

did he write the summary above?fact of the matter is when something like this happens.. people crawl out of the woodwork with their overblown second and third-hand accountings of what they heard happened. it's the telephone game.

i'm sure there were fights and shootings... Vegas is a big town.. with lots of out-of-towners. kick in a couple hundred thousand visitors for the All-Star game and there are bound to be problems.

to call people "scum" and pass along rumors as fact is taking it a bit far.

Did you even bother to read Jason Whitlock (who is black) or Bill Simmon's articles about the thuggery that pervaded NBA all star weekend?I have read both articles and other accounts, this "element" has been prevalent at an increased crescendo at the NBA all star game over the past 5 years.

I also heard several first-hand accounts (yes all from WHITE middle and upper middle class people) who described the whole scene in vivid detail as HORRID. Stuff like the PacMan Jones affair (perhaps with the bullets missing their target, but the same potentiality) was rampant.

Contrast this with the experience of going to a Super Bowl (the NFL's showcase event) and it is like night and day. So yeah, NFL players may get busted at the same rate as NBA players, but the "caliber" of the NFL fan that frequents the marquee events is light years ahead of the trash polluted Vegas this past weekend.

I read both of their articles and I was also in Vegas that weekend. I was also at the All-Star game and Superbowls in Houston as I live here. Vegas was a lil wild last weekend, similar to any huge event that I have attended in cities where they aren't big on law enforcement (i.e. Vegas & New Orleans). For example, the cops in Houston will bust your ### in a minute....so you didn't hear of too many stories like this coming from the All-Star game last year (I use last year's game as a reference since you say that "element" has been prevalent for the past 5 years or so). Vegas is a city where you can openly walk around getting drunk, where prostitution is basically legal, where the mantra is "what happens here stays here". I don't see why anyone is suprised that the festivities were a lil wilder than usual. IT WAS IN VEGAS!!!!

I am glad you posted this, I was wondering how the events in Vegas compared to what happen the year before in Houston.I am not sure what other cities have had the all star game recently but I don’t recall hearing about an extraordinary amount of crime associated with previous all star games.

My wife's cousin was there that weekend. She is black and is from Brooklyn. She confirmed the same scenes. Absolute mayhem.

 

[Two Deep]

Titans | A. Jones' family worried about his future

Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:29:24 -0800

ESPN.com reports members of Tennessee Titans CB Adam Jones' family are concerned about his well-being following his involvement in a Las Vegas strip club incident. "He is the only child my son had, and I worry every day about him. I got this age number - if he can just make it to 26, I think he'll be OK," Jones' grandmother, Willie Louise Davis, said in an interview with the Tennessean. Jones' father was shot and killed when Jones was only five years of age. "But his daddy didn't make it past 26. I worry, and I hope and pray that (Pacman) can go beyond that and many, many more years. Me and his mother both talk about that all the time." "Everybody tries to talk to him," added Jones' uncle, Robert Jones. "I do. His mother talks to him, his grandparents talk to him…I don't know, I just think he is out of control. I've told him I think he is out of damn control, but he doesn't want to hear it."

 

[flufhed]

Pacman's version.