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What is the mood of Steve Smith owners (1 Viewer)

tombonneau

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I'm pretty sure I could get Smith in my league for a pretty good value, but I'm actually hesitant to make the move with him injuring *both* hammys.

How are Steve Smith owners currently feeling? You obviously all paid a premium for the guy, so I can understand a reluctance to part with him. But going on 2 weeks with no output, how long before you cut bait and make him "someone else's problem."

Just wondering the mood of the masses.

What would it take to move him at this point? Or are you actively shopping?

 
Smith owner here.

My mood right now is somewhere between anxiously phlegmatic and emotionally constipated.

Probably that meat lovers pizza I just scarfed.

 
FWIW, I'm close to trading Randy Moss for Steve Smith (in my TD-only league), straight up. Really not sure who's getting the better deal on this one.....

 
As of right now, I'm still riding high on the optimism that last year's peformance gave me. I know that his production is worth the wait, as long as my team doesn't get into a hole while I'm waiting.

I'm torn between getting him on the field (and into my lineup) and wanting him to make sure he is completely healed and that it doesn't hinder him all year.

As far as a trade goes, I would never trade him right now. With his injury, there is no way I could ever get near his worth right now. I'd hate to deal him and watch an opponent beat me out for a playoff spot (or beat me head to head in teh playoffs), because Smith has one of his 147 yard/2 TD games.

 
JuniorNB said:
As of right now, I'm still riding high on the optimism that last year's peformance gave me. I know that his production is worth the wait, as long as my team doesn't get into a hole while I'm waiting.I'm torn between getting him on the field (and into my lineup) and wanting him to make sure he is completely healed and that it doesn't hinder him all year.As far as a trade goes, I would never trade him right now. With his injury, there is no way I could ever get near his worth right now. I'd hate to deal him and watch an opponent beat me out for a playoff spot (or beat me head to head in teh playoffs), because Smith has one of his 147 yard/2 TD games.
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The problem with trading him now is that you won't get full value for him.

While I hate seeing him on the sideline, I'd rather the Panthers sit him for a couple of weeks so he can come back 100%.

 
Along for the ride....

If he comes back in a a few weeks and perform how he did last year, it's all worth it. I need him for the second half of the year and playoffs. Get healthy, so you can be there SS!

 
I'm kickingmyself for drafting him over Holt and TO. The warning signs were all there and I ignored them. Hammys are brutal on WRs - they can certainly linger all season. I actually hope he sits out a few weeks and comes back 100% than hobble around out there and have no value the entire season.

Luckily I have pretty good WRs (R Moss, S Moss and D Jax) that can hold the fort until he returns. If you can afford to wait it out I would hold -

trading Smith for R Moss will not help you much IMO - Randy has a tough matchup vs Balt this week and then is on bye. By the time Moss startsx proiducing for you SS could be back at close to 100%. I would hold em.

 
As an owner of Joe Horn last year, I am ready to stick a shiv in my heart for taking Steve Smith over Chad this year

 
Kiddnets said:
I'm kickingmyself for drafting him over Holt and TO. The warning signs were all there and I ignored them. Hammys are brutal on WRs - they can certainly linger all season. I actually hope he sits out a few weeks and comes back 100% than hobble around out there and have no value the entire season.
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:goodposting: JMHO, but those expecting Smith to be back to normal in a week or two are setting yourselves up for a disappointment, and weekly frustration.Smith *could* come back strong. Or, he could hobble along all year and finish WR20ish.Just ask the Moss owners from last year, who managed to finish WR17 in 2005, thanks to a meaningless wk17 blowup. When it counted, Moss averaged about 6 ppg from weeks 6 to 16 after getting dinged... good enough to where you can't risk benching him and missing a 140/2 game, but bad enough that you've got a WR on the bench outscoring him most weeks.Smith looks like he could very well be on the same road in 2006.
 
Thanks for the input guys. I assumed the mood was "wait & see" which makes sense given the cost of the investment.

Owner in my start 2WR league also has Plax & SMoss, so he might be more eager to deal, esp. as he has a gaping hole at RB2. The player I'm debating offering is Dunn, which actually is a pretty fair deal.

But those hammys have a tendency to linger....

I think the best thing SS has going with the injury, is I don't think he'll rush himself back and will wait until he is 100%, as I'm sure he's going to be playing for an extension this season.

 
gruecd said:
FWIW, I'm close to trading Randy Moss for Steve Smith (in my TD-only league), straight up. Really not sure who's getting the better deal on this one.....
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Don't like the move at all. I see a Joe Horn-esque circa 2005 year for Steve Smith. He's injured BOTH hammys and probably wont play this week (just my hunch). As much as the Raiders looked bad last week, they have some nice matchups coming up starting in Week 4 and I believe they will improve. I'm very conservative when trading for injured guys. It doesn't look promising for Smith. He's been battling these hammys/ingrown toenail for well over a month and still isn't healthy. Stay far away.
 
but if the panthers lose a few more games, their playoff chances are shot, aren't they?

without smith (and parts of the o-line) their chance aren't looking great.

i wonder if smith would be more reluctant to risk reinjury in a lost season.

 
I am a long-time Smith owner in Redrafts.

I would trade him for a Top 10 WR right now. I am very worried about how this will turn out.

 
HALtheCOW said:
I am a long-time Smith owner in Redrafts.I would trade him for a Top 10 WR right now. I am very worried about how this will turn out.
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like others, not patting myself on the back, but hammies and WR's scare the hell out of me, and it's why i took fitz over him, and why other owners in my league also took chad and holt over him...he was the #4 wr drafted in my league (all prety savvy owners) this year for a reason. simply too much risk for a guy you're taking that high.
 
I was down on smith in the off season.... Even healthy I didn't feel he was worth his ADP... I had him barely getting into the to 10... then one injury, then another, then another.... and I'm glad I don't own him. The guy hasn't practiced in forever. There was a laundry list of players with hammy issues in the preseason... TO got more press then the war in Iraq. Yet the season starts and it seems everyone is back except Steve Smith???

The fact he still isn't well enough to practice doesn't bode well... it means it's much more serious then anyone is letting on. Which means he will be a injury risk if/when he gets back.

If you are trading for him, don't give up much if anything and if you have him, take anything you can get.

 
Cixelsyd said:
I was down on smith in the off season.... Even healthy I didn't feel he was worth his ADP... I had him barely getting into the to 10... then one injury, then another, then another.... and I'm glad I don't own him. The guy hasn't practiced in forever. There was a laundry list of players with hammy issues in the preseason... TO got more press then the war in Iraq. Yet the season starts and it seems everyone is back except Steve Smith???The fact he still isn't well enough to practice doesn't bode well... it means it's much more serious then anyone is letting on. Which means he will be a injury risk if/when he gets back.If you are trading for him, don't give up much if anything and if you have him, take anything you can get.
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agree with all this, but re: your last statement, they cancel each other out for smith owners, unfortunately: they won't just give him away in exchange for dogsh*t based on his name value, and owners coming after smith won't get him by offering dogsh*t. smith won't be dumped/acquired very easily at all, and will likely stay put on his original roster.
 
tick dog said:
Cixelsyd said:
I was down on smith in the off season.... Even healthy I didn't feel he was worth his ADP... I had him barely getting into the to 10... then one injury, then another, then another.... and I'm glad I don't own him. The guy hasn't practiced in forever. There was a laundry list of players with hammy issues in the preseason... TO got more press then the war in Iraq. Yet the season starts and it seems everyone is back except Steve Smith???The fact he still isn't well enough to practice doesn't bode well... it means it's much more serious then anyone is letting on. Which means he will be a injury risk if/when he gets back.If you are trading for him, don't give up much if anything and if you have him, take anything you can get.
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agree with all this, but re: your last statement, they cancel each other out for smith owners, unfortunately: they won't just give him away in exchange for dogsh*t based on his name value, and owners coming after smith won't get him by offering dogsh*t. smith won't be dumped/acquired very easily at all, and will likely stay put on his original roster.
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:thumbup: Sadly. This coming from a Smith owner. I expect to wait until game six or so for him to start playing.
 
tombonneau said:
I'm pretty sure I could get Smith in my league for a pretty good value, but I'm actually hesitant to make the move with him injuring *both* hammys.

How are Steve Smith owners currently feeling? You obviously all paid a premium for the guy, so I can understand a reluctance to part with him. But going on 2 weeks with no output, how long before you cut bait and make him "someone else's problem."

Just wondering the mood of the masses.

What would it take to move him at this point? Or are you actively shopping?
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The bolded part-purely conjecture on your part at the time of your post, time will tell there.I only have him in a dynasty, so he goes nowere there. As far as redraft, isn't it a bit early to be thinking this way? Do you unload LJ for SJax now? The short-term outlook there seems to degrade his value as a top 3 pick. Unless you get an offer of comparable value, ie Holt, CJ, Marvin or a Fitz you are indeed not looking at the overall production this guy offers. For me in a redraft, sit tight or counter offer equal value. If that is accepted you can move on without doubting the trade the rest of the year. Unload him now and the doubt will remain.

 
flooredyas said:
tombonneau said:
I'm pretty sure I could get Smith in my league for a pretty good value, but I'm actually hesitant to make the move with him injuring *both* hammys.

How are Steve Smith owners currently feeling? You obviously all paid a premium for the guy, so I can understand a reluctance to part with him. But going on 2 weeks with no output, how long before you cut bait and make him "someone else's problem."

Just wondering the mood of the masses.

What would it take to move him at this point? Or are you actively shopping?
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The bolded part-purely conjecture on your part at the time of your post, time will tell there.I only have him in a dynasty, so he goes nowere there. As far as redraft, isn't it a bit early to be thinking this way? Do you unload LJ for SJax now? The short-term outlook there seems to degrade his value as a top 3 pick. Unless you get an offer of comparable value, ie Holt, CJ, Marvin or a Fitz you are indeed not looking at the overall production this guy offers. For me in a redraft, sit tight or counter offer equal value. If that is accepted you can move on without doubting the trade the rest of the year. Unload him now and the doubt will remain.
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I'm offering up Mike Bell and Matt Jones for him. The owner is currently starting T Bell, so he might take it to handcuff the DEN running game. hope he does. I think Smith rebounds if he can sit for another 4 weeks. I want him at his full potential for my league's playoffs.
 
I have Steve in 2 Dynastys but even in Re-Draft you hold him. 13 weeks til the playoffs, is 2 weeks of him not playing really worth make a dramatic move where you also not getting his full value in a trade?

I personally think not. But I also dont find it unreasonable for him to be the WR #1 still after two weeks on the bench.

 
I own him in a few leagues and definitely won't part with him with his value this low. In fact, I can't see myself trading him at all.

In one league, I just made an offer of Kevin Jones for Steve Smith (ppr).

 
If you drafted him in the 2nd or 3rd round like most people probably did, its tough to part with him this early in the season. I think a lot depends on your league format. The one league I own Steve Smith in, the season runs straight through Week 17 with no playoffs. I'm gonna hold on.... hoping that he'll have a strong second half. If you're in a league with playoffs that begin in say Week 14, it's tempting to trade Smith, so you can bolster your team NOW in an effort to simply MAKE the playoffs.

 
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Depends on the depth of your team. I still have 4 guys that I'm comfortable rotating without him, so I'm in no hurry to part with him. If I were thin at WR I'd probably look to trade him for 2 startable guys.

 
Keys Myaths said:
gadkins said:
Fantasy Rule - Never Draft or accuire a WR with a bad hamstring.
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At some point this preseason, nearly every WR had a bad hamstring.
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Hines Ward seemed to do OK in Week 1 after suffering through hammy probs in pre-season.For those who have him, like me, waiting it out one more week as he rests may be worth the high investment. True, his trade value may slip further next week, but for me, I'm not confident I can get someone of equal potential value for him, rather than his current perceived value.
 
If I could get another top tier WR for him (like CJ, Fitz, Boldin, Harrison) I'd probably do it. I had Smith as my top ranked WR but I lost week one without him (had to start Jennings) and am getting a little discouraged.

However, I also know his value couldn't get much lower. I still think once he plays he's a top 3 fantasy WR.

 
Woz said:
If I could get another top tier WR for him (like CJ, Fitz, Boldin, Harrison) I'd probably do it. I had Smith as my top ranked WR but I lost week one without him (had to start Jennings) and am getting a little discouraged. However, I also know his value couldn't get much lower. <B>I still think once he plays he's a top 3 fantasy WR.</B>
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Not going to happen. You can expect WR 25 numbers from Steve Smith.
 
gadkins said:
Woz said:
If I could get another top tier WR for him (like CJ, Fitz, Boldin, Harrison) I'd probably do it. I had Smith as my top ranked WR but I lost week one without him (had to start Jennings) and am getting a little discouraged. However, I also know his value couldn't get much lower. <B>I still think once he plays he's a top 3 fantasy WR.</B>
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Not going to happen. You can expect WR 25 numbers from Steve Smith.
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I mean if you prorate the weeks Smith plays, he's a top 3 WR. I don't think this is that crazy given his past performances, his freakish talent, and Delhomme's tunnel vision for him. If you disagree still, I'd like to know why.
 
Dr. Pepper said:
by_the_sea_wannabe said:
Dr. Pepper said:
i'm ready to cut him loose...
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just give him 14 more weeks
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he will be on the waiver wire if he doesn't play this week..i don't need that headache...
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:thumbdown: who are you going to drop him for, colston? reggie williams? that's a terrible, knee-jerk, womanly-emotional decision. at the very least trade him while people still have last year in their rose-colored memory.
 
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Ive been offered A. Johnson straight up and M.Clayton+Witten for him (basically the other team's crap) for him. Im not dropping him, I have Driver, Evans, and Coles to hold me over. I can either trade Norwood to the Dunn owner for a WR if need be, or drop someone for the WW if need be. Im more worried about my QB depth. :coffee:

 
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tombonneau said:
I'm pretty sure I could get Smith in my league for a pretty good value, but I'm actually hesitant to make the move with him injuring *both* hammys.How are Steve Smith owners currently feeling? You obviously all paid a premium for the guy, so I can understand a reluctance to part with him. But going on 2 weeks with no output, how long before you cut bait and make him "someone else's problem."Just wondering the mood of the masses.What would it take to move him at this point? Or are you actively shopping?
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Have Smith..all get hurt sooner or later..I just have to sweat it out..2 weeks or 4..he's most 2nd round pick (me 2.4)..so most if they drafted good should be able to still win a few before he comes back to play.Just asking who whould you to give up for that hesitant trade for Smith??? :D
 
As a SS owner,I can wait.

Sooner or later he will be back putting up ridiculous numbers and killing someone else's fantasy season rather than mine !!

 
i'm rocking both Smith and TJ Houshmyfoothurts, and i'm plenty frustrated. but its a keeper league, so i'm stuck waiting it out, since no one would be keeping a guy like DJax anyway. in my redraft (where i've also got him), i've got plenty of WR depth so i'm not as concerned.

but at this point, if someone offered me a decent RB2 for Smith in either league, i'd be inclined to take it.

 
Woz said:
gadkins said:
Woz said:
If I could get another top tier WR for him (like CJ, Fitz, Boldin, Harrison) I'd probably do it. I had Smith as my top ranked WR but I lost week one without him (had to start Jennings) and am getting a little discouraged. However, I also know his value couldn't get much lower. <B>I still think once he plays he's a top 3 fantasy WR.</B>
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Not going to happen. You can expect WR 25 numbers from Steve Smith.
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I mean if you prorate the weeks Smith plays, he's a top 3 WR. I don't think this is that crazy given his past performances, his freakish talent, and Delhomme's tunnel vision for him. If you disagree still, I'd like to know why.
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B4 last week's game, I saw a TO for SS trade - straight up.
 
I got him in the third round in a draft that happened after the second hammy injury was announced. I went RB/WR/WR and feel like my team can win until he comes back. I may take a loss or two along the way but I don't want him back until he's completely healthy and ready to get 15+ targets per game when he returns.

 
tombonneau said:
I'm pretty sure I could get Smith in my league for a pretty good value, but I'm actually hesitant to make the move with him injuring *both* hammys.How are Steve Smith owners currently feeling? You obviously all paid a premium for the guy, so I can understand a reluctance to part with him. But going on 2 weeks with no output, how long before you cut bait and make him "someone else's problem."Just wondering the mood of the masses.What would it take to move him at this point? Or are you actively shopping?What is the mood of Steve Smith owners, Potential trade partners want to know
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I got him cheap, dynasty, 3 years ago, traded Jamel White for him and a pick. While I sometimes DO buy high, I try to never sell low. Not moving Steve Smith now.Have seen a few lowball offers. Nope. I'll just start Chris henry until his return. Ack!
 
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ready to get 15+ targets per game when he returns.
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:shock: Considering he had one game of 15 targets and one game of 20 last year (the only two times he has ever had 15 targets in any games in his career) I think you are shooting a little high.

He averaged under 10 per gam in 2005, so hoping for 10 targets per game is the high side.

 
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