What is up with FBGs Projections? (1 Viewer)

[Chaka]

But you did put plenty of effort into coming into this thread and trying to convince paying customers that they should indeed be happy with this service. Awesome job.

Actually, he's saying people should be thinking for themselves and not paying for the service in the first place, which would presumably put these boards out of business. I'm sure the owners will be taking that suggestion seriously.

LinkThese forums don't pay for themselves (actually perhaps they do, but I wouldn't know because I use AdBlock).

 

[Sarnoff]

But you did put plenty of effort into coming into this thread and trying to convince paying customers that they should indeed be happy with this service. Awesome job.

Actually, he's saying people should be thinking for themselves and not paying for the service in the first place, which would presumably put these boards out of business. I'm sure the owners will be taking that suggestion seriously.

LinkThese forums don't pay for themselves (actually perhaps they do, but I wouldn't know because I use AdBlock).

So you think people should just donate money to Joe to run the forums, and not use the projections service? I don't get what your intent is here.

 

[Chaka]

But you did put plenty of effort into coming into this thread and trying to convince paying customers that they should indeed be happy with this service. Awesome job.

Actually, he's saying people should be thinking for themselves and not paying for the service in the first place, which would presumably put these boards out of business. I'm sure the owners will be taking that suggestion seriously.

LinkThese forums don't pay for themselves (actually perhaps they do, but I wouldn't know because I use AdBlock).

So you think people should just donate money to Joe to run the forums, and not use the projections service? I don't get what your intent is here.

No I think people should look at the entirety of what they get from FBGs and decide whether or not to subscribe based on all the information.If the projections on Tuesday are so very important to you (something which I consider to be wildly insignificant considering their limited accuracy) and are not being delivered to your satisfaction then, yes, I would suggest that you not subscribe.

Personally without the forums (and possibly the DD) I would not subscribe. The forums are so important to me because they allow me to view all sides of the debate about a given player and make my own decisions about those players. Projections are simply one man's guess and if they are made on Tuesday then they are based on the least amount of possible information rendering them even more speculative and diminishing their, very, limited value even further.

ETA: Yes I know the forums are free (see post #200).

 

[Sarnoff]

One thing I did not see in week 2, 3, 4 or 5 is this thread.

You evidently didn't look very hard. And no, I'm not going to show you where another thread (that appeared in mid-October) exists on the first page of the subforum where it currently resides.But you did put plenty of effort into coming into this thread and trying to convince paying customers that they should indeed be happy with this service. Awesome job.

This thread was started on Nov 25th a day before week 12 of the NFL season.

Sept. 23rdAnd just for kicks, Sept. 11th, 2007

 

[Chaka]

One thing I did not see in week 2, 3, 4 or 5 is this thread.

You evidently didn't look very hard. And no, I'm not going to show you where another thread (that appeared in mid-October) exists on the first page of the subforum where it currently resides.But you did put plenty of effort into coming into this thread and trying to convince paying customers that they should indeed be happy with this service. Awesome job.

This thread was started on Nov 25th a day before week 12 of the NFL season.

Sept. 23rdAnd just for kicks, Sept. 11th, 2007

I already stated that I have been aware of this complaint for years and for years I always contend that it is much ado about nothing.The projections are based on incomplete information and, IMO, are not worth using to make any kind of meaningful decision about your team.

Like I said I think many people like them because it allows them to pass the buck for bad decisions.

 

[ffgamer]

Color me stupid, but how much could the projections really change from Tuesday to Saturday as long as their isn't an injury concern. I understand if you're waiting to see if Calvin Johnson is going to play or something like that, but as long as their isn't any mitigating factors, the projections should pretty much remain the same throughout the week. Somebody please tell me why i'm wrong about this.

 

[Howie]

That's what's going to be troublesome. We can do projections anytime. I mean we could do week 16 projections tonight if we wanted. But they'd be crap. It won't be as bad, but an early Tuesday projection will be really shaky compared to the level of confidence we normally have in our projections. Are people going to be ok if you make a pickup on Wednesday based on a Tuesday projection that is wildly different by Friday? That's my biggest worry.The smart business answer is to "give people what they want" and produce a pretty looking set of projections Tuesday morning. They'd look ok on the surface but we'd know they would be VERY low quality given the time frame allowed to produce them in. We've just always been hesitant to put our name on something that we don't feel is the best quality. You see where we're coming from on this?J

At least get the "Top 250 Forward" out by Tuesday evening (and not well into Wednesday morning which is usually the case). At least this provides some guidance, although not tailored for individual league scoring systems, relative to the waiver wire rankings. Speaking of the "Top 250"... the more aggressive weekly moves up and down this list (compared to past years and the first half of this year), which are seemingly more influenced on recent performance, are appreciated.

 

[Mister CIA]

Can't bear the thought of reading this entire thread. I hate projections. I really, really hate them.

Intentional mediocrity, really?

 

[FantasyTrader]

One thing I did not see in week 2, 3, 4 or 5 is this thread.

You evidently didn't look very hard. And no, I'm not going to show you where another thread (that appeared in mid-October) exists on the first page of the subforum where it currently resides.But you did put plenty of effort into coming into this thread and trying to convince paying customers that they should indeed be happy with this service. Awesome job.

This thread was started on Nov 25th a day before week 12 of the NFL season.

Sept. 23rdAnd just for kicks, Sept. 11th, 2007

I already stated that I have been aware of this complaint for years and for years I always contend that it is much ado about nothing.The projections are based on incomplete information and, IMO, are not worth using to make any kind of meaningful decision about your team.

Like I said I think many people like them because it allows them to pass the buck for bad decisions.

I don't think you're giving projections their due. They don't need to be right to be helpful. If FBG projected Miles Austin early in the year at 4-70-1 and he actually went 8-211-2, they ended up being WAY wrong. But if that 17 fantasy pts. is one of the higher/highest projections for that week out there for Austin among competing sites, was it helpful? You bet it was. That's why looking at any one site's projections and comparing them to what actually happened will look bad. To quanitfy their usefulness you need to compare two or more sets of projections to what actually happened. Everybody is wrong. The goal is to be less wrong than everyone else.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Can't bear the thought of reading this entire thread. I hate projections. I really, really hate them. Intentional mediocrity, really?

Why do you hate them?

 

[Chaka]

Perhaps you can write an article for FBGs on how not to use the services they offer while still finding it in your heart to pay them for the site and they will repay your kindness with a Christmas card thanking you for supporting Mr. Dodds while he sits at home rolling dice and flipping coins and you can place it on the mantel next to all your FF trophies. Speaking for myself, I like the projections and it would be nice if they were more timely, but then again I am not all that bright.

Don't take it personally I did not call anyone stupid and I am sorry if that is how you interpret it.I don't think projections have any meaningful value (and I'm right), big deal that's my opinion if you disagree that is your prerogative (and you'll believe that you're right). And I think JB & Dodds are more than happy to hear either of our opinions.I think FBG website in its entirety has significant value as evidenced by my continued support of JB, Dodds and their products.

 

[Chaka]

I don't think you're giving projections their due. They don't need to be right to be helpful. If FBG projected Miles Austin early in the year at 4-70-1 and he actually went 8-211-2, they ended up being WAY wrong. But if that 17 fantasy pts. is one of the higher/highest projections for that week out there for Austin among competing sites, was it helpful? You bet it was. That's why looking at any one site's projections and comparing them to what actually happened will look bad. To quanitfy their usefulness you need to compare two or more sets of projections to what actually happened. Everybody is wrong. The goal is to be less wrong than everyone else.

Less wrong is still wrong. If it influences you to make the wrong decision then what does it matter that FBG was closer than another website?All I am saying is don't weight projections so heavily when there is a wealth of more meaningful information available to you.

 

[Chaka]

Perhaps you can write an article for FBGs on how not to use the services they offer while still finding it in your heart to pay them for the site and they will repay your kindness with a Christmas card thanking you for supporting Mr. Dodds while he sits at home rolling dice and flipping coins and you can place it on the mantel next to all your FF trophies. Speaking for myself, I like the projections and it would be nice if they were more timely, but then again I am not all that bright.

Don't take it personally I did not call anyone stupid and I am sorry if that is how you interpret it.I don't think projections have any meaningful value (and I'm right), big deal that's my opinion if you disagree that is your prerogative (and you'll believe that you're right). And I think JB & Dodds are more than happy to hear either of our opinions.I think FBG website in its entirety has significant value as evidenced by my continued support of JB, Dodds and their products.

No need to apologize as I am the one that called myself stupid. You can call me stupid as well, but if you also added lazy your projection would be more accurate.Some people like using projections and some other people like making them, too. Repeatedly calling them (the projections, I mean) worthless and a waste of time is an interesting strategy I had not thought of.However, until I fully grasp this new system it would still be nice to see the projections a bit earlier with the understanding that they are a work in progress and only a best guess (as is pretty much everything everywhere when talking about the future).Thanks for letting me share.

Go forth young man (or woman) and thrive.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Less wrong is still wrong. If it influences you to make the wrong decision then what does it matter that FBG was closer than another website?All I am saying is don't weight projections so heavily when there is a wealth of more meaningful information available to you.

Sure, less wrong is still wrong. We're dealing with a very imperfect hobby here. But you simply cannot argue that least wrong equals most helpful. Being the least wrong DOESN'T influence you to make the wrong decision. In fact, by definition, it leads you to the most correct decision. I hear what you're saying. Your exact words were, ...are not worth using to make any kind of meaningful decision about your team. That's so far off base it's laughable. I think the problem here is that you're coming from a position of someone that spends a great deal of time in the SP, researching recent player news, participating in threads, keeping a keen eye on practice/injury reports and updates, etc. You Chaka, and others like you, are the very rare exception to the rule. For you, the projections mean little brcause you're such an active player, but I guarantee that's the exception. The VAST majority of FBG subscribers, 80-90% I'd guess, don't devote that amount of time to the hobby. They've purchased a service to do the leg work for them so they can still field a competitive team but not be consumed by the hobby. Maybe if you could look at this from the eyes of a casual player, it would help.

 

[stickboy]

What we need is a a way to identify guys on the move. Guys that have made big jumps in their future week projections vs their past weeks projections/results. This would take care of the guys who hound the waiver wire and still retain the integrity of the projections themselves.

This is the intent behind the upgrades/downgrades feature. We are basically trying to identify players whose rank in the current week's Top 250 Forward list will be significantly different (upward or downward) from their rank in the previous week's Top 250 Forward list -- for whatever reason.

As others are saying, the real need is data help that supports waiver wire pickups earlier in the week (e.g., Tues night). I look for:1) Rest of the season potential (typically use the top 250 for PPR and non-PPR)2) One week wonders that may be better than my last starters, e.g., a WR3 that has a great match up, or a RB2/3 to replace an iffy player. This is where I would use projections or even rankings for the week.Some say that early projections/rankings for lower ranked players are so inaccurate that they are no better than flipping a coin. I agree that they are more inaccurate than projections on Saturday, and that the lower ranked players are harder to project than higher ranked players. What I am looking for is a general tiering, not an absolute projection. If I see significant difference in the ratings of two players, or have two fairly close players but one is questionable, then I can use this data for waiver wire pick ups in aggressive leagues.I, too, have several times been hitting the refresh button on site content right up until the final minute to see any projections that are available for the above reasons, and would like to see some earlier committed rankings or projections.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Color me stupid, but how much could the projections really change from Tuesday to Saturday as long as their isn't an injury concern. I understand if you're waiting to see if Calvin Johnson is going to play or something like that, but as long as their isn't any mitigating factors, the projections should pretty much remain the same throughout the week. Somebody please tell me why i'm wrong about this.

I'm not sure why exactly, but the projections tend to change quite a bit from the earliest ranking of the week till the end.What I would like to see is an order of who FBG thinks is the top waiver wire picks up in order of what they thnk their value is for that week. Of course they don't know who is on everyone's waiver wires as many leagues are different, but if they have one ranked and he's not on my WW, then I just go down to the next ranked player.I know on the upgrades they have them numbered and on the side there's the note potential waiver wire gem, but what I'm not sure of is, are the numbers the rankings for whom they think is the best waiver wire pick up? Sometimes it's hard to tell on Tuesday who the best is but you just have to take your best guess, because that's what we're having to do anyway as owners since Tuesday night is my WW night.Like this week, I'd say something like this:1. Chris Brown- Top Waiver Wire pick up at RB. Gets the start for the Texans as Slaton looks to be out and Moats backing up.2. Larry Johnson-Scott looks to be out and Johnson could get plenty of opportunities behind Benson who is returning from injury against a poorous run defense.3. Jerious Norwood- The speedy running back scored a TD last week and it looks like Turner may be out this week. Snelling fumbled and may be in the doghouse, Norwood should get his chances versus the Eagles.4. Fred Jackson- He's probably the most talented RB on his team but Lynch is still in the lineup. Expect Jackson to get some carries but limit your enthusiasm with Lynch still the current starter.Something like that written in an order of what the experts think are the top RB pick ups of the week. If those guys aren't on a persons WW, big deal, they just go down to the first one that is. You make your best professional opinion on a Tuesday, an opinion that may change come Sunday morning but we don't have a crystal ball so we go with what we know at the time.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Color me stupid, but how much could the projections really change from Tuesday to Saturday as long as their isn't an injury concern. I understand if you're waiting to see if Calvin Johnson is going to play or something like that, but as long as their isn't any mitigating factors, the projections should pretty much remain the same throughout the week. Somebody please tell me why i'm wrong about this.

I'm not sure why exactly, but the projections tend to change quite a bit from the earliest ranking of the week till the end.What I would like to see is an order of who FBG thinks is the top waiver wire picks up in order of what they thnk their value is for that week. Of course they don't know who is on everyone's waiver wires as many leagues are different, but if they have one ranked and he's not on my WW, then I just go down to the next ranked player.I know on the upgrades they have them numbered and on the side there's the note potential waiver wire gem, but what I'm not sure of is, are the numbers the rankings for whom they think is the best waiver wire pick up? Sometimes it's hard to tell on Tuesday who the best is but you just have to take your best guess, because that's what we're having to do anyway as owners since Tuesday night is my WW night.Like this week, I'd say something like this:1. Chris Brown- Top Waiver Wire pick up at RB. Gets the start for the Texans as Slaton looks to be out and Moats backing up.2. Larry Johnson-Scott looks to be out and Johnson could get plenty of opportunities behind Benson who is returning from injury against a poorous run defense.3. Jerious Norwood- The speedy running back scored a TD last week and it looks like Turner may be out this week. Snelling fumbled and may be in the doghouse, Norwood should get his chances versus the Eagles.4. Fred Jackson- He's probably the most talented RB on his team but Lynch is still in the lineup. Expect Jackson to get some carries but limit your enthusiasm with Lynch still the current starter.Something like that written in an order of what the experts think are the top RB pick ups of the week. If those guys aren't on a persons WW, big deal, they just go down to the first one that is. You make your best professional opinion on a Tuesday, an opinion that may change come Sunday morning but we don't have a crystal ball so we go with what we know at the time.

We do exactly this on the Audible every Tuesday, it is just done for the season because most WWs are closed now.

 

[Tau837]

Color me stupid, but how much could the projections really change from Tuesday to Saturday as long as their isn't an injury concern. I understand if you're waiting to see if Calvin Johnson is going to play or something like that, but as long as their isn't any mitigating factors, the projections should pretty much remain the same throughout the week. Somebody please tell me why i'm wrong about this.

I'm not sure why exactly, but the projections tend to change quite a bit from the earliest ranking of the week till the end.What I would like to see is an order of who FBG thinks is the top waiver wire picks up in order of what they thnk their value is for that week. Of course they don't know who is on everyone's waiver wires as many leagues are different, but if they have one ranked and he's not on my WW, then I just go down to the next ranked player.I know on the upgrades they have them numbered and on the side there's the note potential waiver wire gem, but what I'm not sure of is, are the numbers the rankings for whom they think is the best waiver wire pick up? Sometimes it's hard to tell on Tuesday who the best is but you just have to take your best guess, because that's what we're having to do anyway as owners since Tuesday night is my WW night.Like this week, I'd say something like this:1. Chris Brown- Top Waiver Wire pick up at RB. Gets the start for the Texans as Slaton looks to be out and Moats backing up.2. Larry Johnson-Scott looks to be out and Johnson could get plenty of opportunities behind Benson who is returning from injury against a poorous run defense.3. Jerious Norwood- The speedy running back scored a TD last week and it looks like Turner may be out this week. Snelling fumbled and may be in the doghouse, Norwood should get his chances versus the Eagles.4. Fred Jackson- He's probably the most talented RB on his team but Lynch is still in the lineup. Expect Jackson to get some carries but limit your enthusiasm with Lynch still the current starter.Something like that written in an order of what the experts think are the top RB pick ups of the week. If those guys aren't on a persons WW, big deal, they just go down to the first one that is. You make your best professional opinion on a Tuesday, an opinion that may change come Sunday morning but we don't have a crystal ball so we go with what we know at the time.

We do exactly this on the Audible every Tuesday, it is just done for the season because most WWs are closed now.

Based on what? I play in multiple leagues and none have closed their waiver wires at this point.

 

[Howie]

Based on what? I play in multiple leagues and none have closed their waiver wires at this point.

Ditto.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Based on what? I play in multiple leagues and none have closed their waiver wires at this point.

Ditto.

Dang Im sorry, I think I got trading deadlines and waiver wire deadlines mixed up... We'll bring it back next week

 

[Sarnoff]

Nice.

 

[redaddy25]

Almost 3PM EST Wednesday and nothing...

 

[Ariakis]

Even FantasySharks has projections out (MFL's supplier). ESPN and CBS are on on version 2. I know you want to get things right but let's get something out then tweak?

 

[Your Mom]

This happens every year. It isn't going to change.

Where is Rudnicki and other admin bumping this thread? They bump threads that make them look smart, but when they look bad they are nowhere to be found.

I know this doesn't mean much to some of you guys pissed off about this, but here is what I do.

I pay for this site for one reason, VBD. If it wasn't for that, this site wouldn't get a $1. That helps out a lot for the draft. I usually do my own stuff when it comes to waivers and other things during the season. There pay stuff during the season isn't any better than the free stuff on ESPN or CBS. If I am undecided I either go to espn or cbs.

IMO, there are guys in the shark pool that know a lot more and give you better information than the admin here.

Edited to add: I got an email at 1:15pm central time last week about John Carney being out. Really? The game was almost at halftime by then. Those email updates used to be huge for me since I worked a lot on Sundays and only had access to my email. I have complaigned about this before, but there excuse is that my email providers fault.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Where is Rudnicki and other admin bumping this thread? They bump threads that make them look smart, but when they look bad they are nowhere to be found.

I'm here, but I have no control over the projections so there's really not much help or additional info that I can provide. Sorry.

 

[BradtheAg]

truly shocking that they're late again...

 

[wadegarrett]

Edited to add: I got an email at 1:15pm central time last week about John Carney being out. Really? The game was almost at halftime by then. Those email updates used to be huge for me since I worked a lot on Sundays and only had access to my email. I have complaigned about this before, but there excuse is that my email providers fault.

My e-mail from JB on Carney came in at 11:18 am EST Sunday.

 

[mozzy84]

Almost 3PM EST Wednesday and nothing...

someone had time to update the page from "wed morning" to "wed afternoon".

 

[Your Mom]

Where is Rudnicki and other admin bumping this thread? They bump threads that make them look smart, but when they look bad they are nowhere to be found.

I'm here, but I have no control over the projections so there's really not much help or additional info that I can provide. Sorry.

As you have no control, add help, or additional info to continue to bump a thread that tells us where Aaron Rodgers or Tony G rank after each week. We all know where they rank. That thread makes FBG looks good, but continue to bump that. That's my point. Not a big deal, just amusing.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Almost 3PM EST Wednesday and nothing...

someone had time to update the page from "wed morning" to "wed afternoon".

Yep. That makes it even worse, IMO, as if they are trying to hide that they missed another deadline.

 

[Chaka]

PANIC!!!

 

[Your Mom]

Edited to add: I got an email at 1:15pm central time last week about John Carney being out. Really? The game was almost at halftime by then. Those email updates used to be huge for me since I worked a lot on Sundays and only had access to my email. I have complaigned about this before, but there excuse is that my email providers fault.

My e-mail from JB on Carney came in at 11:18 am EST Sunday.

Sucks for me then. Just one of the two things i pay for and it doesn't work for me. Oh well. Glad it doesn't affect everyone.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Where is Rudnicki and other admin bumping this thread? They bump threads that make them look smart, but when they look bad they are nowhere to be found.

I'm here, but I have no control over the projections so there's really not much help or additional info that I can provide. Sorry.

As you have no control, add help, or additional info to continue to bump a thread that tells us where Aaron Rodgers or Tony G rank after each week. We all know where they rank. That thread makes FBG looks good, but continue to bump that. That's my point. Not a big deal, just amusing.

Are they still bumping the thread where they all stated that Garrard is a QB1?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Edited to add: I got an email at 1:15pm central time last week about John Carney being out. Really? The game was almost at halftime by then. Those email updates used to be huge for me since I worked a lot on Sundays and only had access to my email. I have complaigned about this before, but there excuse is that my email providers fault.

My e-mail from JB on Carney came in at 11:18 am EST Sunday.

Sucks for me then. Just one of the two things i pay for and it doesn't work for me. Oh well. Glad it doesn't affect everyone.

Use Rotoworld for injury stuff. They are on top of things pretty quickly

 

[Ariakis]

They are sending email ... and it is your provider's fault not FBG's. That you aren't going to a site that gives live blogs and injury updates is your problem. Carney/Hartley f'd me pretty hard in one league but that's because ww's locked on Thursday. I knew by around 10 AM on Rotoworld about the change but was powerless to adjust.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Where is Rudnicki and other admin bumping this thread? They bump threads that make them look smart, but when they look bad they are nowhere to be found.

I'm here, but I have no control over the projections so there's really not much help or additional info that I can provide. Sorry.

As you have no control, add help, or additional info to continue to bump a thread that tells us where Aaron Rodgers or Tony G rank after each week. We all know where they rank. That thread makes FBG looks good, but continue to bump that. That's my point. Not a big deal, just amusing.

it's the end of the regular season so it seemed a perfectly reasonable time to post an update given all the discussion that went on earlier. If you're not interested in that thread, nobody is forcing you to click on it.

 

[Your Mom]

They are sending email ... and it is your provider's fault not FBG's. That you aren't going to a site that gives live blogs and injury updates is your problem. Carney/Hartley f'd me pretty hard in one league but that's because ww's locked on Thursday. I knew by around 10 AM on Rotoworld about the change but was powerless to adjust.

Ok buddy I will try to explain this again. Someone already stated that they get the emails on time and I responded to that. Ok, then it is my providers fault. I got that. But again, I work on Sundays and only have access to my email. So those updates I Used to get from them, I am not getting them anymore. That was one of the two things I needed from the "pay" portion of this site.

 

[Your Mom]

Where is Rudnicki and other admin bumping this thread? They bump threads that make them look smart, but when they look bad they are nowhere to be found.

I'm here, but I have no control over the projections so there's really not much help or additional info that I can provide. Sorry.

As you have no control, add help, or additional info to continue to bump a thread that tells us where Aaron Rodgers or Tony G rank after each week. We all know where they rank. That thread makes FBG looks good, but continue to bump that. That's my point. Not a big deal, just amusing.

it's the end of the regular season so it seemed a perfectly reasonable time to post an update given all the discussion that went on earlier. If you're not interested in that thread, nobody is forcing you to click on it.

You have bumped that thread mutiple times in the past month or two. It wasn't like you just decided to do it. Did I say I wasn't interested in it? That was not my point. Pointless to get in this discussion with you, I know I am wasting my time.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Edited to add: I got an email at 1:15pm central time last week about John Carney being out. Really? The game was almost at halftime by then. Those email updates used to be huge for me since I worked a lot on Sundays and only had access to my email. I have complaigned about this before, but there excuse is that my email providers fault.

My e-mail from JB on Carney came in at 11:18 am EST Sunday.

Sucks for me then. Just one of the two things i pay for and it doesn't work for me. Oh well. Glad it doesn't affect everyone.

probably sent yours late 'cuz you were complaining.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

You have bumped that thread mutiple times in the past month or two. It wasn't like you just decided to do it. Did I say I wasn't interested in it? That was not my point. Pointless to get in this discussion with you, I know I am wasting my time.

every time I make an effort to see how things are going in that league, I take 30 extra seconds of my time to post an update in that thread so other people don't have to. why does my interest in that thread bother you so much?and for the record, I posted an update today (after the end of the regular season) and my previous update was Nov 10th after week 9 of the regular season.that's 2 updates from me, and they were a full month apart.when people flat out say that "there's no way Rodgers will finish as QB1 or anywhere close" and he finishes the fantasy regular season as QB1, I find that interesting. you don't?

 

[Your Mom]

You have bumped that thread mutiple times in the past month or two. It wasn't like you just decided to do it. Did I say I wasn't interested in it? That was not my point. Pointless to get in this discussion with you, I know I am wasting my time.

every time I make an effort to see how things are going in that league, I take 30 extra seconds of my time to post an update in that thread so other people don't have to. why does my interest in that thread bother you so much?

I will try this one more time. I find it funny that you bump a thread that makes FBGs look good, but are nowhere to be found when it is the other way around. I know you have nothing to add or info to provide for projections. But telling us where Tony G. and Aaron rodgers ranks every two weeks doesn't provide anything either. We know where they rank.Like I said before, it isn't a bid deal, just amusing. I've gone in a complete circle already, so I've said what I have to say twice. Have a good day.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I will try this one more time. I find it funny that you bump a thread that makes FBGs look good, but are nowhere to be found when it is the other way around. I know you have nothing to add or info to provide for projections. But telling us where Tony G. and Aaron rodgers ranks every two weeks doesn't provide anything either. We know where they rank.Like I said before, it isn't a bid deal, just amusing. I've gone in a complete circle already, so I've said what I have to say twice. Have a good day.

nowhere to be found? I responded to your post calling me out 4 minutes after you posted it. If you want to discuss something where I look bad or FBG looks bad, I'm happy to do so.I feel bad that people are upset over the projections issue, but there's simply nothing I can do about it. I've been following the thread since the beginning and am aware of other similar threads in the past. I provide any relevant info I have where appropriate, but I think all people care about is getting the projections up at this point. Not sure discussing it over and over will help anyone.Joe has been in this thread discussing the issue so he's obviously aware that subscribers are upset about it.

 

[BR33ZE]

Everyone settle down. FBG's makes every effort to get information out in a timely matter. And when it gets out it is top notch.

Sometimes when you are dealing with millions and thousands of gigabits of data and you have a shakey floppy drive powered by a donkey pulling a harness around a carousel, it takes a little longer to get out than normal.

Please be patient.

Thank you for your understanding.



j/k arud... trying to bring some levity here.

 

[Sarnoff]

 

[jwb]

This isn't an excuse that many will accept (and that's ok), but they are a growing business. It's really easy from the outside to say how easy X, Y, or Z should be, or what they should do, but it's a lot harder in practice (and you fellow business owners know this.)

They will learn from this, and they'll do better. It's a hard thing for a business, especially once the real growth starts. Yes, they should never have promised Tuesdays. But they did, and they can't take it back, nor can they seemingly realistically fulfill it. It was clearly a mistake, and one they got blasted for this year. For those who feel this (or other late things) is a dealbreaker, it's within your right to complain, and then not rejoin. FBG will learn from this and do better next year.

Probably one thing they'll learn is NOT to promise projections on Tues, as it turned out to be harder than they initially expected - maybe instead, they'll just have a quick "ww outlook", and save full projections for later in the week.

 

[Sarnoff]

PANIC!!!

Look, I know you think projections are worthless, fine, but what I don't get is why you think it's OK for them to be both worthless and late.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This happens every year. It isn't going to change. Where is Rudnicki and other admin bumping this thread? They bump threads that make them look smart, but when they look bad they are nowhere to be found. I know this doesn't mean much to some of you guys pissed off about this, but here is what I do.I pay for this site for one reason, VBD. If it wasn't for that, this site wouldn't get a $1. That helps out a lot for the draft. I usually do my own stuff when it comes to waivers and other things during the season. There pay stuff during the season isn't any better than the free stuff on ESPN or CBS. If I am undecided I either go to espn or cbs. IMO, there are guys in the shark pool that know a lot more and give you better information than the admin here.Edited to add: I got an email at 1:15pm central time last week about John Carney being out. Really? The game was almost at halftime by then. Those email updates used to be huge for me since I worked a lot on Sundays and only had access to my email. I have complaigned about this before, but there excuse is that my email providers fault.

Aaron isn't the first person I would reach out to defend on the staff here at FBG but the guy is in this thread, he's been posting back and forth trying to make a bridge of sorts. I think you are being unfair to him. Point your arrows at Joe and David...in fact they both have emails and I'm sure they would love to hear from you. Joe doesn't hide, he not only has built this but he owns another business. Now I only say that because the guy is a small business owner and he knows how to build them. I think he tries hard to put one of the best products together he can in this site. He started over 10 years ago, convinced many of the current staff that it was better to join up with him, and they all merged to form this site. Dodds had his own place, Chris Smith used to write for another site-Tough Sports??? They all come from other places and then the board has provided a new career for some of the current staff like Jeff Hasely, Jeff Tefertiller, many others. It just kinda sux to have to watch guys like you railing about, I almost wish they would refund you guys the money because that's what you really want and then wish you on your merry way. This place is better in the off season when the cry babies all go back to their holes or crawl under their rocks and we can resume what we love in here. Furthermore, this thread really doesn't belong in the Shark Pool and should be moved to the forum where you have app problems...in fact Joe you should have a ##### forum for these threads where they can be moved and out of here. Nothing NFL breaking in this thread...sure I don't have to read it but then again you all never had to start it. A simple email to Joe/David rather than trying to publicly humiliate them on the very board/forum they pay for. This thread is one of the biggest reasons I personally don't want to own a FF website. The little piker RB thread I do each week is enough, and even in that we get some feisty folks that want to take issue with things. I realize why people do it, but I don't agree with the why...

 

[Your Mom]

MOP

1) I don't want a refurd, nor did I ask for one.

2) I pay for the VBD and it is well worth it.

3) The cheatsheets/projections and all the other in season stuff does nothing for me, so i don't care about it.

4) I just found it funny about bumping other threads and not this one. That's all. Like i said multiple times it wasn't a big deal just funny. A couple have responded to me and missed my point and turned it into something else.

5) Emails to Joe and david are pointless like a bunch of other people have said.

6) If you think this is a crybaby thread, don't waste your time reading it or bother posting in it.

Whether or not you agree with me MOP, I really don't care. Promises by a service that aren't meant is bad business. They know that, but it happens every single year. Some people really need projections and cheatsheets for there league. They pay for this service specifically for that. I don't need them, so I don't care when they come out. That isn't going to stop me from coming here. Like I said earlier, the shark pool gives me more info than I can get from the projections.

I've read your Rbs matchups and it is very good. People in there are going to be fiesty and disagree. That's what a message board is for. Discussion. Some people feel that this is the only way to get there message across. IMO, they are right. So don't click on the thread and tell everyone how they are crybabies and you wish they weren't around. Stick to your Rb matchups.

 

[Sarnoff]

Furthermore, this thread really doesn't belong in the Shark Pool and should be moved to the forum where you have app problems...in fact Joe you should have a ##### forum for these threads where they can be moved and out of here.

The Shark Pool is where Joe and David pin the "What is FBG doing right?" and "What is FBG doing wrong?" offseason improvements threads every year.

 

[Chaka]

PANIC!!!

Look, I know you think projections are worthless, fine, but what I don't get is why you think it's OK for them to be both worthless and late.

Their value has little to do with the fact that regardless of what day they come out everyone has the same information at the same time. The timing of their release provides no competitive advantage or disadvantage.