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What is your favorite piece of classical music? (2 Viewers)

ZenoRazon said:
I see you're like me when it comes to wanting the know what's behind the music as opposed to just listening.  If the interest is there I want to know the story.
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Same goes for just about anything I’m interested in- movies, fantasy football, authors, etc.

 
Ilov80s said:
Same goes for just about anything I’m interested in- movies, fantasy football, authors, etc.
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Yep,  I will find out the origins of everything that interests me,  which is...track, football, literature, rasslin', pre 1980 boxing, music, i do have those pretty much covered. Don;t know a damn thing about baseball, soccer, auto mechanics, yep, no interest.

 
jdoggydogg said:
I remember taking an American music history class in college as part of my major's academic curriculum, and guys like Aaron Copeland and George Gershwin would get several pages, while Duke Ellington received three paragraphs. America's greatest composer gets three paragraphs? That's the first time I can remember identifying racism / classism in a college textbook.
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There's lots of classism inherent in classical music.  It traces its lineage back to nobility and the church.  Classical evolved separately from folk forms until they were brought together by Bartok, Dvorak, Janacek and others (Copeland too I guess). 

Ellington's music doesn't quite transfer to the symphony orchestra for me.  His own late-career experiments a more like a string section backing his orchestra than a fully integrated effort.  "Harlem" is worth 14 minutes of your life.  There have also been attempts to adapt Duke's music to an orchestra.  Sir Simon Rattle and the Birmingham Symphony take their shot at the same piece here.  I believe Rattle is using the same Luther Henderson charts as Ellington's original but the percussion isn't as prominent.  The orchestra still manages to swing though.

 
Ilov80s said:
ZenoRazon said:
I see you're like me when it comes to wanting the know what's behind the music as opposed to just listening.  If the interest is there I want to know the story.
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Same goes for just about anything I’m interested in- movies, fantasy football, authors, etc.
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I'm currently reading Howard Goodall's book  "The Story of Music".  I'm almost at the 17th century where things start hopping.

I linked to the companion BBC television documentary earlier in the thread.  It's still up on YouTube and still worth checking out if you've made it to page 9 of this thread.  Hearing is believing for some of Goodall's material.  The book dries up a bit when he writes about chord progressions.  On the other hand, readers don't have to look at Goodall's enormous head.

 
Ryuichi Sakamoto playing something Bach-like on my release radar on Spotify, from an album that iirc had Glenn Gould's name attached? Anybody know more about this?

 
Man of Constant Sorrow said:
Is this close?
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:thumbup:

I googled and found this press release...

Out now: Glenn Gould Gathering Curated by Ryuichi Sakamoto w/Alva Noto+Nilo, Christian Fennesz & Francesco Tristano

26/09/2018

Live recording from GGG (Glenn Gould Gathering) 2017 – A special tribute event dedicated by Ryuichi Sakamoto



2017 marked the 85th birth anniversary of Glenn Gould, the solitary composer/pianist from Canada. To commemorate this, an array of special exhibitions and concerts were held around the world commissioned by the Glenn Gould Foundation in Canada, among which Ryuichi Sakamoto was asked to curate an event in Japan. Sakamoto, an avid Gould admirer who had been influenced by him since early childhood and had handpicked his compositions for a compilation CD, readily agreed to the request. As a result, “Glenn Gould Gathering”, a series of exhibitions and concerts dedicated to Glenn Gould, took place with Sogetsu Hall as center stage. The event was highlighted with a tribute concert entitled “Glenn Gould – Remodels”. The concert featured musicians who have maintained close relations with Sakamoto, such as Alva Noto + Nilo, the leading figures of contemporary electronic music in Germany, and Austrian guitarist Christian Fennesz, who has spawned a new world of acoustic music, as well as pianist Francesco Tristano, an exceptional talent from Luxembourg. This live album captures the moment of a once-in-a-lifetime encounter.
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Man of Constant Sorrow said:
It is a beutiful....
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tbh I started listening to that album on spotify... just wasn't in the mood of "inspired by" bach. so for the first time in a long time, decided to dive back in to his preludes and fugues for piano... so good. I had played a few and tooled around with a few more- something about bach and these always turned my crank to play and listen.

 
El Floppo said:
tbh I started listening to that album on spotify... just wasn't in the mood of "inspired by" bach. so for the first time in a long time, decided to dive back in to his preludes and fugues for piano... so good. I had played a few and tooled around with a few more- something about bach and these always turned my crank to play and listen.
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When you say tooled & play, you mean on your piano? 

I apologize for my fuzzy notebook, but don't you have a musical family? 

This kinda stuff, really interests me. 

👍

 
ZenoRazon said:
Raking my brain trying to recall just how I came across this Copeland guy. I know I never set out to learn about classical music.

The bottom line in all music is does it fit your mood,  I rarely get in any mood where my best option would be classical music. It has happened but very rare.
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Mrs. Dogg's been listening to classical in her car, and she's tapping into that soothing aspect that rearranges your synapses. I could never play classical in my car - that's what Napalm Death is for. But I do think the classical genre is a wonderful cool-down for the grind that is existence. 

 
Eephus said:
There's lots of classism inherent in classical music.  It traces its lineage back to nobility and the church.  Classical evolved separately from folk forms until they were brought together by Bartok, Dvorak, Janacek and others (Copeland too I guess). 

Ellington's music doesn't quite transfer to the symphony orchestra for me.  His own late-career experiments a more like a string section backing his orchestra than a fully integrated effort.  "Harlem" is worth 14 minutes of your life.  There have also been attempts to adapt Duke's music to an orchestra.  Sir Simon Rattle and the Birmingham Symphony take their shot at the same piece here.  I believe Rattle is using the same Luther Henderson charts as Ellington's original but the percussion isn't as prominent.  The orchestra still manages to swing though.
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I love Ellington, but his music's best with a big band. 

 
Man of Constant Sorrow said:
When you say tooled & play, you mean on your piano? 

I apologize for my fuzzy notebook, but don't you have a musical family? 

This kinda stuff, really interests me. 

👍
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I played piano growing up (asked to take lessons at 5- wasn't forced) until I graduated HS. almost entirely classical- played in my HS orchestra, did small regional competitions. serious, but not too... practiced 1hr-ish/day instead of the 4 my teacher wanted. I think I had a decent ear for how things should go once I started playing them, and had decent finger control, but the pieces were hard work to learn through sight-reading... I really didn't have instinct for the music and learning it didn't come naturally... even if I was pretty good once playing.

11yo floppinho is a different story- was drumming actual rhythms before he could walk, and just gets music- learns instruments, theory, ideas immediately and intuitively. we never pushed him, just let him do his thing. but he's started at a very cool nyc public school this year for 6th grade that's the only integrative music and academic public school in the country (according to them) and I can see the immersion is promoting insanely rapid growth for him- and he's keeping up with kids who have been immersed in this stuff since kindergarten *puffsoutchest* very proud of the boy. 7yo floppinha is more like me- she's learning guitar, and it's work not intuition. momma flopppo doesn't have a musical bone in her body and is completely rhythm and tone deaf. same went for both of my parents.

 
Ilov80s said:
I’ve been pretty much locked into Haydn and Schubert for the last month or 2 or even 3. 
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I am a completist on Haydn symphonies (all 104 - took me forever) and string quartets (the most versatile - working, chilling, writing, cleaning, thinking - music there is)

 
jdoggydogg said:
Sure, but America has always been very steeped in European culture. 
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Sure- I am just thinking about history classes I have taught and textbooks I have used.  Gershwin is certainly mentioned but there is typically much larger sections on jazz as being a distinctly American art. 

 
El Floppo said:
I played piano growing up (asked to take lessons at 5- wasn't forced) until I graduated HS. almost entirely classical- played in my HS orchestra, did small regional competitions. serious, but not too... practiced 1hr-ish/day instead of the 4 my teacher wanted. I think I had a decent ear for how things should go once I started playing them, and had decent finger control, but the pieces were hard work to learn through sight-reading... I really didn't have instinct for the music and learning it didn't come naturally... even if I was pretty good once playing.

11yo floppinho is a different story- was drumming actual rhythms before he could walk, and just gets music- learns instruments, theory, ideas immediately and intuitively. we never pushed him, just let him do his thing. but he's started at a very cool nyc public school this year for 6th grade that's the only integrative music and academic public school in the country (according to them) and I can see the immersion is promoting insanely rapid growth for him- and he's keeping up with kids who have been immersed in this stuff since kindergarten *puffsoutchest* very proud of the boy. 7yo floppinha is more like me- she's learning guitar, and it's work not intuition. momma flopppo doesn't have a musical bone in her body and is completely rhythm and tone deaf. same went for both of my parents.
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Thanks so much for sharing. 

It was the vid of you son that inspired me - eh - ya know - he is so talented. Glad to learn more details. Truly phenomenal! 

I am envious of your education. I only had some basic music classes in elementary - read music / play blocks / etc. I also got a little bit in drama (my version of your piano) but it was just enuff to keep the show from sukkin too bad - ha. 

In retrospect, I wish I had spent more time on music than sports - I am a useless athlete now. And, I believe music would have been a much better long term investment. 

If ya ever record anything - ima interested. 👍

Thnx gin Floppy. ✌️

 
Man of Constant Sorrow said:
Thanks so much for sharing. 

It was the vid of you son that inspired me - eh - ya know - he is so talented. Glad to learn more details. Truly phenomenal! 

I am envious of your education. I only had some basic music classes in elementary - read music / play blocks / etc. I also got a little bit in drama (my version of your piano) but it was just enuff to keep the show from sukkin too bad - ha. 

In retrospect, I wish I had spent more time on music than sports - I am a useless athlete now. And, I believe music would have been a much better long term investment. 

If ya ever record anything - ima interested. 👍

Thnx gin Floppy. ✌️
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yeah- sports is why I only did the 1hr a day, and eventually gave it up when I got to college. I think I had the similar classes in school as you grwoing up... as does my kids. but without supplementing outside of school (or now in floppinho's case- IN school), it wouldn't go anywhere. 

 
El Floppo said:
yeah- sports is why I only did the 1hr a day, and eventually gave it up when I got to college. I think I had the similar classes in school as you grwoing up... as does my kids. but without supplementing outside of school (or now in floppinho's case- IN school), it wouldn't go anywhere. 
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Understood - Cool chat! 

Looking forward to next. 🙂

Time for my squirrel soup lunch... 

Latah

 
jdoggydogg said:
Ilov80s said:
Interesting given the place jazz is usually given in American history/culture relative to classical. 
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Sure, but America has always been very steeped in European culture. 
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Eephus said:
There's lots of classism inherent in classical music.  It traces its lineage back to nobility and the church.  Classical evolved separately from folk forms until they were brought together by Bartok, Dvorak, Janacek and others (Copeland too I guess). 

Ellington's music doesn't quite transfer to the symphony orchestra for me.  His own late-career experiments a more like a string section backing his orchestra than a fully integrated effort.  "Harlem" is worth 14 minutes of your life.  There have also been attempts to adapt Duke's music to an orchestra.  Sir Simon Rattle and the Birmingham Symphony take their shot at the same piece here.  I believe Rattle is using the same Luther Henderson charts as Ellington's original but the percussion isn't as prominent.  The orchestra still manages to swing though.
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these comments reminded me of a music humanities class we were required to take in college. 

I mentioned growing up playing it a bit so was aware of composers and classical music generally, but I never went beyond what I was playing and was listening to much different stuff on vinyl or the radio. it wasn't until that class that I really learned the history- went from gregorian chants through 20th cent composers like Reich, Glass and Adams. I remember asking at the end when we'd get to jazz- teacher's response was that jazz was 'popular' music, which wasn't something we'd be covering. got me immediately wanting to get into a conversation about what constituted 'popular' and how the advent of recording and broadcasting music remotely might change that view...but she wanted no part of it. makes sense that the music of the courts (money/power) would persist relative to the minstrel songs that may have been popular... but is that the case now? in 100 years, will we look at Reich with more reverence than Miles Davis or even Michael Jackson? 

 
Brahm's Requiem

As a percussionist, and back in my college days, a small church would perform this during Lent.  Choir, organ, piano, and me on tympani.  

 
Ilov80s said:
One of my favorite pieces- especially to see live. 
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And that fourth movement ... :shivers:

My request, some day, will be for our church choir to sing How Lovely is Thy Dwelling Place on a Sunday morning soon after I pass away.  I'm convinced that when the altos and basses sing those runs right at the end of the movement, that's when my soul will depart this earth and head to the heavenly dwelling.  

 
I do get it, I can see the attraction.  BUT....there is just too much other stuff I'd rather listen to than the classical stuff. 

 
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El Floppo said:
these comments reminded me of a music humanities class we were required to take in college. 

I mentioned growing up playing it a bit so was aware of composers and classical music generally, but I never went beyond what I was playing and was listening to much different stuff on vinyl or the radio. it wasn't until that class that I really learned the history- went from gregorian chants through 20th cent composers like Reich, Glass and Adams. I remember asking at the end when we'd get to jazz- teacher's response was that jazz was 'popular' music, which wasn't something we'd be covering. got me immediately wanting to get into a conversation about what constituted 'popular' and how the advent of recording and broadcasting music remotely might change that view...but she wanted no part of it. makes sense that the music of the courts (money/power) would persist relative to the minstrel songs that may have been popular... but is that the case now? in 100 years, will we look at Reich with more reverence than Miles Davis or even Michael Jackson? 
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I think every decade that passes, this kind of classist nonsense will fade. Jazz is, to me, the most difficult musical art form by a mile. Every jazz player I ever knew could play classical perfectly, but classical players are merely adequate playing jazz. Jazz and classical require immaculate technique, but jazz improvisation is an art that's far more difficult that reading notes on a page.

 
jdoggydogg said:
ZenoRazon said:
It;s about degrees, I liked that but.........like this more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqqpkQzQPns

Then there's Wes Montgomery, Charles Christian, Eddie Lang, Lonnie Johnson.
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All great. My favorite guitarists are Joe Pass, Pat Metheny, Mike Stern, John Scofield, and John McLaughlin. 

Have you heard the later Mahavishnu albums? That's a nice bridge between rock and jazz. 
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Gentlemen, this is the Classical Music thread.  Please put on a jacket and tie.

 
jdoggydogg said:
All great. My favorite guitarists are Joe Pass, Pat Metheny, Mike Stern, John Scofield, and John McLaughlin. 

Have you heard the later Mahavishnu albums? That's a nice bridge between rock and jazz.
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Haven't heard a full album but have heard The Mahavishnu Orchestra and all those guitarists you mentioned.  I listen to everything I can come in contact with.  Everything you mentioned there is great music, my problem is I just prefer other stuff.

 
With this thread hovering on the 1st page so much lately, when is someone going to do their classical music countdown? That seems all the rage lol.

 
ZenoRazon said:
jdoggydogg said:
Have you heard the later Mahavishnu albums? That's a nice bridge between rock and jazz.
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Haven't heard a full album but have heard The Mahavishnu Orchestra and all those guitarists you mentioned.  I listen to everything I can come in contact with.  Everything you mentioned there is great music, my problem is I just prefer other stuff.
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Mahavishnu's Apocalypse album is one of the better uses of classical instrumentation in jazz (or rock for that matter).  The London Symphony is still largely used as an accompanist, sitting out for long sections behind the solos.  But McLaughlin along with collaborators Michael Gibbs and Michael Tilson-Thomas make effective use of the strings and winds without being either gimmicky or overbearing.  It's helped by having Jean Luc-Ponty's violin as the second solo voice and the perfect compliment to the acoustic and electric guitars.

Apocalypse is still a glorious sounding recording thanks in part to producer George Martin who considered it one of his finest works.  The final track "Hymm to Him" is probably the best place to start.

 
Eephus said:
Mahavishnu's Apocalypse album is one of the better uses of classical instrumentation in jazz (or rock for that matter).  The London Symphony is still largely used as an accompanist, sitting out for long sections behind the solos.  But McLaughlin along with collaborators Michael Gibbs and Michael Tilson-Thomas make effective use of the strings and winds without being either gimmicky or overbearing.  It's helped by having Jean Luc-Ponty's violin as the second solo voice and the perfect compliment to the acoustic and electric guitars.

Apocalypse is still a glorious sounding recording thanks in part to producer George Martin who considered it one of his finest works.  The final track "Hymm to Him" is probably the best place to start.
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I'm not new to classical music, I have listened to a CD I own, and it's all good stuff, my problem is I have so much other stuff that fit my moods.  I ;m not in a classical music mood much.

 
ZenoRazon said:
I'm not new to classical music, I have listened to a CD I own, and it's all good stuff, my problem is I have so much other stuff that fit my moods.  I ;m not in a classical music mood much.
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