What is your reason for not responding to trades that R not bad offers (1 Viewer)

[Green Apple Splatter]

If you run enough leagues, there are always a couple of owners who do this. I'm not even talking about the ones who never sign on either. I'm talking about the owners who sign on multiple times and you know they see your offer but don't reply. Let's put aside the bad offers for a moment. I think some owners are so afraid to pull the trigger on a deal for fear they are making a mistake, they would rather not respond to it than accept or reject it. Maybe they decide to leave it out there just in case someone knocks them in the head and says, "Pull the trigger you dummy !!!!".

Added this from a later post -

As a commish of several leagues (all FBGs in the leagues), I get emails and PM all the time from owners asking why certain owners never respond to trades. I think I made a mistake when I created these leagues in not making an activity rule. One which requires all owners to stay active, which means checking into the league at least 2 times a week during the season and 1 time every two weeks during the off-season (family and work emergencies trump this of course). Also, everyone goes on vacation too, so posting a message to the league stating this lets the league know not to expect a response to trade offers for awhile. I'm mainly talking about dynasty leagues, but some of it applies to redraft as well. . This activity rule will require owners to respond to trade offers and participate in all league votes in a timely manner. That's not a lot to ask from dynasty owners. I truly believe dynasty leagues will move toward this format.

 

[valence]

what?

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

I bet this thread doesn't get 5 replies, because no one wants to admit this kind of thing.

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

what?

What part don't you understand? It's a thread asking who doesn't respond to trade offers.

 

[valence]

I bet this thread doesn't get 5 replies, because no one wants to admit this kind of thing.

or because your post isn't coherent.crap that's 3 already.

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

I bet this thread doesn't get 5 replies, because no one wants to admit this kind of thing.

or because your post isn't coherent.crap that's 3 already.

Only to you. It makes perfect sense. The crap replies like this one don't count

 

[Jedeye]

Anyone else see the irony here?

 

[identikit]

Anyone else see the irony here?

If only the OP would use this approach in his trade offers...

 

[Fat Nick]

When I used to play Yahoo public leages for kicks, I never rejected a trade just in case one of my guys got hurt and was involved in a proposed trade. If he got hurt, I'd run to the computer and accept the trade. I remember when Ed McCaffrey got hurt one year I got somebody for him AFTER he got hurt.

***Disclaimer...I'm NOT saying this is smart, moral, or PC.***

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

Anyone else see the irony here?

If only the OP would use this approach in his trade offers...

I respond to all trades good or bad, but I thought I would create a thread targeting directly those who do this. I don't expect anyone to fess up, but I thought I would have fun with it anyway.

 

[coolnerd]

Just giving this thread a somewhat serious answer, i always respond to trade offers except when I get busy with work or real world issues and literally forget or when some owner won't take no for answer. You know he guy, you have explained why you don't wish to trade the player or want his players he is trying dump, but keeps reworking the deal normally worse than the orignal trade.

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

Just giving this thread a somewhat serious answer, i always respond to trade offers except when I get busy with work or real world issues and literally forget or when some owner won't take no for answer. You know he guy, you have explained why you don't wish to trade the player or want his players he is trying dump, but keeps reworking the deal normally worse than the orignal trade.

Now there is an honest answer

 

[cobalt_27]

I bet this thread doesn't get 5 replies, because no one wants to admit this kind of thing.

or because your post isn't coherent.crap that's 3 already.

Only to you. It makes perfect sense. The crap replies like this one don't count

What are you talking about?

 

[cobalt_27]

Anyone else see the irony here?

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

I bet this thread doesn't get 5 replies, because no one wants to admit this kind of thing.

or because your post isn't coherent.crap that's 3 already.

Only to you. It makes perfect sense. The crap replies like this one don't count

What are you talking about?

Ok, let me try again. I'm looking for those who don't reply to trade offers, which aren't bad offers. Clear?

 

[cobalt_27]

I bet this thread doesn't get 5 replies, because no one wants to admit this kind of thing.

or because your post isn't coherent.crap that's 3 already.

Only to you. It makes perfect sense. The crap replies like this one don't count

What are you talking about?

Ok, let me try again. I'm looking for those who don't reply to trade offers, which aren't bad offers. Clear?

I guess. Good luck with this.

 

[rzrback77]

Which is worse, the guys that ignore trade offers or the guys that keep making trade offers to guys that ignore them and then whine constantly about it?

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

I bet this thread doesn't get 5 replies, because no one wants to admit this kind of thing.

or because your post isn't coherent.crap that's 3 already.

Only to you. It makes perfect sense. The crap replies like this one don't count

What are you talking about?

Ok, let me try again. I'm looking for those who don't reply to trade offers, which aren't bad offers. Clear?

I guess. Good luck with this.

Good luck is appropriate, because there won't be many to admit this. Like I said, I don't expect many too many replies, but it is an on going problem with most leagues.

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

Which is worse, the guys that ignore trade offers or the guys that keep making trade offers to guys that ignore them and then whine constantly about it?

Both are equally bad Having said that, there are a lot of owners who never reply to offers regardless, even though they are active in the league (meaning they sign on alot, or make ww moves). Why do you think that happens?

 

[Pauli Walnuts]

I bet this thread doesn't get 5 replies, because no one wants to admit this kind of thing.

or because your post isn't coherent.crap that's 3 already.

Only to you. It makes perfect sense. The crap replies like this one don't count

What are you talking about?

Ok, let me try again. I'm looking for those who don't reply to trade offers, which aren't bad offers. Clear?

Why does responding to this post feel like I'm accepting a bad trade offer??

 

[rzrback77]

Which is worse, the guys that ignore trade offers or the guys that keep making trade offers to guys that ignore them and then whine constantly about it?

Both are equally bad Having said that, there are a lot of owners who never reply to offers regardless, even though they are active in the league (meaning they sign on alot, or make ww moves). Why do you think that happens?

Can't speak for them. It does happen, but you can choose to only make trade offers to others or make an offer, give it a day or two and then retract it if no response is given.

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

Which is worse, the guys that ignore trade offers or the guys that keep making trade offers to guys that ignore them and then whine constantly about it?

Both are equally bad Having said that, there are a lot of owners who never reply to offers regardless, even though they are active in the league (meaning they sign on alot, or make ww moves). Why do you think that happens?

Can't speak for them. It does happen, but you can choose to only make trade offers to others or make an offer, give it a day or two and then retract it if no response is given.

Yeah, that's the norm, but in a perfect world we wouldn't have those type of owners.Edited to say, maybe commissioners should start leagues that require owners to respond to trades or they are booted from the league? Also, require them to check-in often and fully participate in all league activity or they are booted? Weed out the casual fantasy owner with more money than desire.

 

[FFCardsFan]

lol at this whole topic

 

[cobalt_27]

I bet this thread doesn't get 5 replies, because no one wants to admit this kind of thing.

or because your post isn't coherent.crap that's 3 already.

Only to you. It makes perfect sense. The crap replies like this one don't count

What are you talking about?

Ok, let me try again. I'm looking for those who don't reply to trade offers, which aren't bad offers. Clear?

I guess. Good luck with this.

Good luck is appropriate, because there won't be many to admit this. Like I said, I don't expect many too many replies, but it is an on going problem with most leagues.

The alternative hypothesis is you've got a selection bias problem asking this type of question on this type of messageboard. People who frequent a football talk board on a Friday night in March aren't likely to be disinterested parties. Doubt you'll find many people of these types to respond, not because they don't want to admit to it, but because there aren't many of those types here in the first place.

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

I bet this thread doesn't get 5 replies, because no one wants to admit this kind of thing.

or because your post isn't coherent.crap that's 3 already.

Only to you. It makes perfect sense. The crap replies like this one don't count

What are you talking about?

Ok, let me try again. I'm looking for those who don't reply to trade offers, which aren't bad offers. Clear?

I guess. Good luck with this.

Good luck is appropriate, because there won't be many to admit this. Like I said, I don't expect many too many replies, but it is an on going problem with most leagues.

The alternative hypothesis is you've got a selection bias problem asking this type of question on this type of messageboard. People who frequent a football talk board on a Friday night in March aren't likely to be disinterested parties. Doubt you'll find many people of these types to respond, not because they don't want to admit to it, but because there aren't many of those types here in the first place.

That may be true. As a commish of several leagues (all FBGs in the leagues), I get emails and PM all the time from owners asking why certain owners never respond to trades. I think I made a mistake when I created these leagues in not making an activity rule. One which requires all owners to stay active, which means checking into the league at least 2 times a week during the season and 1 time every two weeks during the off-season. This is for dynasty leagues. Also require owners to respond to trade offers and participate in all league votes in a timely manner. That's not a lot to ask from dynasty owners. I truly believe dynasty leagues will move toward this format.

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

lol at this whole topic

Really? Why?

 

[FFCardsFan]

i dunno, i guess i just misunderstood

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

i dunno, i guess i just misunderstood

That's ok, we all do it.

 

[valence]

i dunno, i guess i just misunderstood

That's ok, we all do it.

especially when trying to decipher your post.

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

i dunno, i guess i just misunderstood

That's ok, we all do it.

especially when trying to decipher your post.

Maybe you should decipher which post make you happy and go to them? I'm very sorry this thread is that far over your head.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Good luck is appropriate, because there won't be many to admit this. Like I said, I don't expect many too many replies, but it is an on going problem with most leagues.

I sometimes don't reply to trade offers if the mood strikes me. Sometimes I see un-prompted trade offers as equivalent to pan-handling. In other words, if I encourage the behavior, then the "homeless" (other owners) will keep asking me for spare change (trades). Yes, I realize this is a weird, and possibly poor, analogy.Example: I own the #1 rookie pick this year.....and all owners in my league know that I covet Peterson - it's just common knowledge. So if anyone sends me a trade offer for the #1 pick, unless it's just a ridiculously amazing offer, then why waste my time? Other times, I'm frankly just bored with the offers. So while I almost always respond, I'd say 5-10% of the time I don't. But to be fully honest, most of my non-replies are due to highly offensive trade offers. Seriously, if someone offers me a pittance for the #1 pick, then why should I respond? Why do you care about this topic?

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

Good luck is appropriate, because there won't be many to admit this. Like I said, I don't expect many too many replies, but it is an on going problem with most leagues.

I sometimes don't reply to trade offers if the mood strikes me. Sometimes I see un-prompted trade offers as equivalent to pan-handling. In other words, if I encourage the behavior, then the "homeless" (other owners) will keep asking me for spare change (trades). Yes, I realize this is a weird, and possibly poor, analogy.Example: I own the #1 rookie pick this year.....and all owners in my league know that I covet Peterson - it's just common knowledge. So if anyone sends me a trade offer for the #1 pick, unless it's just a ridiculously amazing offer, then why waste my time? Other times, I'm frankly just bored with the offers. So while I almost always respond, I'd say 5-10% of the time I don't. But to be fully honest, most of my non-replies are due to highly offensive trade offers. Seriously, if someone offers me a pittance for the #1 pick, then why should I respond? Why do you care about this topic?

Thanks for your response, it was a very good one at that. The reason I care about this topic is from a commish perspective. All of us who run dynasty leagues want our leagues to be active and part of that is replying to trade offers.

 

[Kleck]

I agree that the polite thing to do is respond quickly. A quick note letting the person know how long you will take to decide is a classy move. However, being polite and being responsible don't always align. If a trade lingers, its the responsibility of the owner that offered the trade to rescind it.

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

I agree that the polite thing to do is respond quickly. A quick note letting the person know how long you will take to decide is a classy move. However, being polite and being responsible don't always align. If a trade lingers, its the responsibility of the owner that offered the trade to rescind it.

Shick, what do you think of activity rules for dynasty leagues?

 

[Kleck]

I agree that the polite thing to do is respond quickly. A quick note letting the person know how long you will take to decide is a classy move. However, being polite and being responsible don't always align. If a trade lingers, its the responsibility of the owner that offered the trade to rescind it.

Shick, what do you think of activity rules for dynasty leagues?

Sure. Have a league meeting. Propose a rule. Give a sound rationale and see where the chips fall.

 

[Green Apple Splatter]

I agree that the polite thing to do is respond quickly. A quick note letting the person know how long you will take to decide is a classy move. However, being polite and being responsible don't always align. If a trade lingers, its the responsibility of the owner that offered the trade to rescind it.

Shick, what do you think of activity rules for dynasty leagues?

Sure. Have a league meeting. Propose a rule. Give a sound rationale and see where the chips fall.

Sounds reasonable.

 

[Fat Nick]

In my experience, if you have to have a rule to get some people to participate more regularly, then you either:

1) Need some new players in your league to replace the ones who aren't participating

or

2) Need to increase the amount of $$ involved so people care a little more.

A rule won't realy do much to someone who isn't checking things anyway.

 

[Pictus Cat]

As a commish, I've heard some reasons and observed some.

The #1 reason I've found is owners are afraid to be taken.

My response is have fun, have an opinion, make a side wager, and trade players you are sure of with owners that disagree with your opinion.

Guys get burned due to lack of knowledge or luck.

Some can't tell the difference

Owner #1

Bitter and Jaded

Hates all trades,

does't respond or responds offensively,

and vetos every trade regardless of trade value

Owner # 2

Gun shy and embarassed to admit lack of knowledge

Never vetos a trade

Owner # 3

Too busy to get enough knowledge to feel comfortable

Usually responds though, just with a no

Owner # 4

Only takes and offers trades that are a clear ripoff

Lacks the knowledge to have a difference of opinion on a player, must have a sure thing

Counters with ridiculous offer

Owner # 5

Too many leagues to keep up.

Ideally, a league that likes to discuss football about the same amount, especially in regards to player value in the league. This sparks trade talks, side wagers...

Too bad all your friends/leagmates can't have relatively same interest. If there are enough in your league, the few "unique owners" shouldn't get to you.

The amount of money your willing to play for is probably not going to help. Some people just like to gamble.

What you seem to be after is people that like to play, take risks, and have an opinion.

Instead of a rule, try to do something that sparks football conversations. Sharing the knowledge and getting everyone on the same level to have differences of opinion...

 

[Enigma or Loose Cannon?]

I don't reply because I'm shy.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't reply because I'm shy.

...and I like to take long walks on the beach, want to trade?

 

[JohnnyU]

We have an activity rule in the HyperActive Dynasty League.

XIV. Activity Rules:

A. Since this is the HyperActive Dynasty FFL, all owners are expected to be active year

round.

B. Owners should check in to the site at least once every two (2) weeks during the

Off-season.

C. Owners should check in at least once every three (3) days during the regular season.

D. Owners should check in at least once a day during the rookie draft.

E. Owners should vote in each poll on the league website.

F. Owners should participate in league discussion through email and/or league message

board.

G. Owners should respond to all trade offers in a timely manner. Any trade offers that go

without response for one week’s time should be reported to the commissioner.

H. All owners should select the option to receive an email notification of a trade offer.

I. Please post in the official “Away from site” thread when you will be away for a period

of time that exceeds rules B, C, and D. As long as an owner has posted in this thread, he

will not be in violation of these rules.

J. The first time an owner is in violation of any of these rules, he will be given a warning.

K The second time an owner is in violation of these rules, the commissioner will seek a

replacement owner.

L. A thread will be used to keep a list of perspective replacement owners. This list will be

maintained by the commissioner and all owners are encouraged to add suggestions in

that thread.

M. Should we have the occasion to add a new owner, a majority vote (13 votes) would be

required to accept that new owner into the league.

N. If an owner is removed from the league for any violation of league rules or by his own

choice, the commissioner will take charge of that team until a replacement owner is

found and approved.

O. The commissioner will not perform any transactions on behalf of the abandoned team

and the lineup will be entered based on a reliable cheat sheet service.

 

[Tick]

(haven't read the responses)

I sometimes look at a trade offer, decide to think about it a bit before responding, then get busy and lose track of it for a week or so. Life gets in the way.

 

[fatness]

Edited to say, maybe commissioners should start leagues that require owners to respond to trades or they are booted from the league? Also, require them to check-in often and fully participate in all league activity or they are booted? Weed out the casual fantasy owner with more money than desire.

If you're going to build a league around personality quirks, it's likely to be a small league and/or have a lot of turnover. Most people want to be left alone, to enjoy their league(s) at their own pace.

 

[coolnerd]

Edited to say, maybe commissioners should start leagues that require owners to respond to trades or they are booted from the league? Also, require them to check-in often and fully participate in all league activity or they are booted? Weed out the casual fantasy owner with more money than desire.

If you're going to build a league around personality quirks, it's likely to be a small league and/or have a lot of turnover. Most people want to be left alone, to enjoy their league(s) at their own pace.

If you are clear up front of the requirements then there is not an issue. I am in the HyperActive league that Johnny U posted a handful of spots up. Besides the obvious name, the activity rules were presented to me up front and so I knew this was not a take off 3 months during the summer league. At the same time, my longest term league is exactly the opposite. Very little correspondence or activity until the draft, and a couple of weeks before the season starts.