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good point
this is not new news, it's gotten worse since Fahrenheit 9/11 but it was a war zone then too.
That's been going on in New Orleans since Katrina, less now than they used to, but people want to see it.
The article has a longer list of cities that have lost the most population since 1960. I guess this is a measure of how much a city is abandoned and hollowed out.
Toledo is a cesspool.
Was a bit surprised at this one, as I live here. Lots of population in the burbs, and really a nice place to live. There are some bad areas, but lots of good ones in the city proper.
flint>>Detroit>>>>Cleveland>>>>>>>>>>>Toledo
80k GM jobs to 4k in 25 years.
you're bat #### crazy about the last two.
it isn't hard to stay outta east Cleveland. It's a lot harder to find something fun to do anywhere near Toledo.
u lived in Toledo and think it sucks, I get it.
Paris, Ohio is the Paris of Ohio.
It's a real gem.
I can't think of anywhere else I would rather live than Cleveland. Awesome place. I'm part happy the negative perception remains though, keeps the riff raff out.@ the Toledo vs Cleveland argument. Either way, you lose.
I had the, um, pleasure of stopping in Flint earlier this year during my move. I didn't stray far from the highway (for good reason), but even the part I did drive through was just sad. I halfway expected ghosts to pop out of some buildings I saw.
Right on brothaI can't think of anywhere else I would rather live than Cleveland. Awesome place. I'm part happy the negative perception remains though, keeps the riff raff out.
Typically visit Cleveland 5-6 times a year for work, stay downtown at the hotels by the casino. Perhaps not a top U.S. city, but nowhere near the biggest dump in America.
Those places are not comparable to places in the Central Valley. Not even close.
Not who has the biggest dump, but which is the biggest dump. Staten Island as a whole is quite nice, pretty much all below the SI expressway is decent and upper middle class, which encompasses well over 60% of the island.
I walked the whole island it seemed last summer, seemed pretty nice to me. We read the map off and got off the train and though we were about .75 miles from where we needed to go. It was well over three. lol
The actual city of Detroit is a horrible dump, but I was surprised how nice some of the suburbs around the area are though.
If these towns were to somehow reproduce with each other, Camden is the ####ty result.
Sand said:
Spent a week on the roof of the paper mill there doing air quality testing in '93 I think. If I'm thinking of the right place, the mill actually straddles the river and pretty much uses the entire volume before discharging it on the other side.Don Quixote said:
Hard to believe Youngstown guy has anything to say here.Homer J Simpson said:Sand said:
New city motto: I'd rather be dead in Flint than alive in Detroit.
Easily the one place in the US that I've been through that I have no desire to ever go through again. Just avoid it.
Y-town is friggin' great!Hard to believe Youngstown guy has anything to say here.Homer J Simpson said:Sand said:
