What's Marion Barber worth? (1 Viewer)

[tick dog]

Just curious about A) what you M.Barber owners would want in exchange for him WR-wise -- is he worth a Moss/Wayne-type, or more like a Roy/Fitz/Coles-level guy -- or B) what you non-Barber owners (who might be trying to trade for him) are offering? With all the RB busts and injuries, he seems to be a borderline #1 RB right now in that potent Dallas offense (even with J.Jones there) but just not sure what kind of value the fantasy world is giving him right now.

Any thoughts would be great. Thanks. Standing by....

 

[Restricted]

I was offered LJ for MBIII in Dynasty from a Dallas fan who also has a pretty decent team. I accepted.

 

[swirvenirvin]

I offered Colsten to the MB III owner in a 10 teamer where his WR's are

Fitz

Ward

Cotchery

Galloway

and got turned down

HTH

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

I offered Colsten to the MB III owner in a 10 teamer where his WR's areFitzWardCotcheryGallowayand got turned downHTH

probably because Colston fits in BELOW all of them?

 

[swirvenirvin]

I offered Colsten to the MB III owner in a 10 teamer where his WR's areFitzWardCotcheryGallowayand got turned downHTH

probably because Colston fits in BELOW all of them?

Really wow wish I knew that, you are so smart aren't you?DUMB

 

[tick dog]

I offered Colsten to the MB III owner in a 10 teamer where his WR's areFitzWardCotcheryGallowayand got turned downHTH

probably because Colston fits in BELOW all of them?

Really wow wish I knew that, you are so smart aren't you?DUMB

Um....aaaaanyway....about that Barber value....Colston seems low but not a terrible offer, esp. if the other guy thinks the Saints will get back on track. If I owned MBIII I'd probably want a Roy/Fitz-type WR in return at least

 

[swirvenirvin]

I offered Colsten to the MB III owner in a 10 teamer where his WR's areFitzWardCotcheryGallowayand got turned downHTH

probably because Colston fits in BELOW all of them?

Really wow wish I knew that, you are so smart aren't you?DUMB

Um....aaaaanyway....about that Barber value....Colston seems low but not a terrible offer, esp. if the other guy thinks the Saints will get back on track. If I owned MBIII I'd probably want a Roy/Fitz-type WR in return at least

Everyone has different values but I wouldn't lump Roy (he's top 10) in with Fitz anymore, Id lump Fitz in with Colsten

 

[SwampDawg]

I just offered a guy SJax and Brandon Marshall for Barber and Heath Miller. I'm 1-3 and need wins now and can't wait another couple weeks for SJax to get healthy.

 

[tick dog]

Another site has the following guys ranked, in order, rest of season...

1 Joseph Addai IND 6

2 LaDainian Tomlinson SDC 7

3 Brian Westbrook PHI 5

4 Willie Parker PIT 6

5 Shaun Alexander SEA 8

6 Frank Gore SF 6

7 Travis Henry DEN 6

8 Ronnie Brown MIA 9

9 Larry Johnson KCC 8

10 Rudi Johnson CIN 5

11 Edgerrin James ARI 8

12 Reggie Bush NOS 4

13 Willis McGahee BAL 8

14 Laurence Maroney NEP 10

15 Marshawn Lynch BUF 6

16 Adrian Peterson MIN 5

17 Cedric Benson CHI 9

18 Marion Barber

They have MBII ranked after Benson (sucking), Lynch (rookie, bad offense), Bush (shaky as full-time RB), AP (committee, worse offense), Rudi (could be serious knee injury), MAroney (hurt, committee)? Not sure about that. I'd prob put Barber in the 9-10 range around LJ/Edge.

 

[NoCheese]

I'm always a little puzzled when people ask the value of a particular player, because it largely depends on the scoring format. In a TD heavy league, you probably wouldn't trade Barber for anyone but probably Addai, LT, maybe Gore and Shaun. In a 1/10 w/ a pt per catch, he's probably in the 13-16 RB range. It would probably help (if you're looking for a true gauge of a player's value) to include the type of league. However, that's creeping into ACF land, so I understand the hesitancy. Maybe something like: "What's player X's value in a TD heavy vs high performance league"? At least that would help in determining a true benchmark to assist in evaluating deals on the table, which I suspect was the point of this exercise.

 

[ipljeff]

I was offered by the MBIII owner the following:

MBIII

Chester Taylor

Holt

for

Westbrook

R. Williams

That's funny.

I countered with:

K. Jones

R. Williams

for

MBIII

Plax

even trade IMHO

Edit to add:

10 teamer PPR start 2RB, 3WR and 1 RB/WR flex

 

[painkiller]

I countered with:K. JonesR. Williamsfor MBIIIPlaxeven trade IMHO

Except that I wouldn't necessarily want to acquire 2 Lions in a trade... but that doesn't make it un-even, just less desirable.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I offered MBIII, Lee Evans, Ben Watson for TO and got turned down I thought the guy was ripping me off. He needs a second RB and TE

 

[unckeyherb]

He is my RB3 behind Addai and Alexander and I wouldn't think of parting with him for less than a WR1 such as Moss, CJ, Wayne, Smith etc. The guy is on pace to get 1300 rush, 300 rec, and 17 TD's with a strong possibility of 20+TD's. WR1 is a no brainer IMO.

 

[unckeyherb]

I offered MBIII, Lee Evans, Ben Watson for TO and got turned down I thought the guy was ripping me off. He needs a second RB and TE

Thats just dumb. all those guys for TO and he said no? You might want to start thinking about an intervention.

 

[NoCheese]

He is my RB3 behind Addai and Alexander and I wouldn't think of parting with him for less than a WR1 such as Moss, CJ, Wayne, Smith etc. The guy is on pace to get 1300 rush, 300 rec, and 17 TD's with a strong possibility of 20+TD's. WR1 is a no brainer IMO.

Barring an injury to JJ, MBIII wont get anywhere near 1300 yards (maybe 900-1000), but the 15-18 TD range is a reasonable projection being on that offense. As I mentioned in my earlier post, he's **GOLD** in a TD heavy or basic league, but his value drops drastically in a high performance league

 

[mr blond]

I drafted MBIII as a RB2/3 along with L. Jordan. After week 2, I was sending feelers out regarding a WR/RB for WR/RB that would upgrade my WR position. I usually have great success with these trades. I was suggesting MBIII/Bruce for Stud WR/RB3 (C. Johnson/Brandon Jackson is one I attempted) but didn't have much luck. After MBIII's performance through week 3 I decided to pull back on these types of deals and re-evaluate, thinking that he may be a great RB2 and possibly a RB1. Now, after seeing JJ get a GL TD in week 4 I'm thinking about pursuing such a deal again.

Basically, what I'm saying is that I'm having a difficult time gauging MBIII's current value and look forward to reading everyone's opinions on this.

 

[unckeyherb]

He is my RB3 behind Addai and Alexander and I wouldn't think of parting with him for less than a WR1 such as Moss, CJ, Wayne, Smith etc. The guy is on pace to get 1300 rush, 300 rec, and 17 TD's with a strong possibility of 20+TD's. WR1 is a no brainer IMO.

Barring an injury to JJ, MBIII wont get anywhere near 1300 yards (maybe 900-1000), but the 15-18 TD range is a reasonable projection being on that offense. As I mentioned in my earlier post, he's **GOLD** in a TD heavy or basic league, but his value drops drastically in a high performance league

He's averaging 75 yds/game which projects to 1200 for the year, and he is averaging a TD per game. Its tough with JJ being there as last week showed (first week I played him, over SA.) I would think you'd be able to get pretty good value for him as I'm sure he was taken in the late third early fourth.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Yes, they are not going to bring Barber in for Goal line carries anymore. They said that if Julius Jones is in the game on that drive... then Julius Jones stays in the game for the goal line carries. If Barber is in, then Barber stays in for the goal line carries.

 

[tick dog]

yeah, i know it's hard to give a totally complete answer w/o knowing my specifics, but i didn't want to make it too specific to my league....otherwise, should be in the ACF forum, as you pointed out.

(that said, it's a re-draft, PPR league, standard perf. scoring plus bonuses for 100yd games and TDs over 30 yds....the sjax owner who wants roy williams and b.leonard for MBIII and mark clayton. i have bush, foster, f.taylor, leonard at rb, and roy, cotchery, calvin j., james jones, crayton at wr...i think i'm passing, but i'm verrrrry worried about bush as a RB1...cue this being moved to ACF in 3...2...1....

 

[ImTheScientist]

Yes, they are not going to bring Barber in for Goal line carries anymore. They said that if Julius Jones is in the game on that drive... then Julius Jones stays in the game for the goal line carries. If Barber is in, then Barber stays in for the goal line carries.

 

[Fodasme69]

Yes, they are not going to bring Barber in for Goal line carries anymore. They said that if Julius Jones is in the game on that drive... then Julius Jones stays in the game for the goal line carries. If Barber is in, then Barber stays in for the goal line carries.

Been doing it all year.

 

[BigJim®]

Yes, they are not going to bring Barber in for Goal line carries anymore. They said that if Julius Jones is in the game on that drive... then Julius Jones stays in the game for the goal line carries. If Barber is in, then Barber stays in for the goal line carries.

Agreed. Someone else posted previously that Barber was getting an IV during that drive. Was Barber getting an IV? Were there other examples where Barber was not occupied and JJ stayed in? Is there a quote somewhere saying JJ will stay in on drives?On value of MBIII, I've not received any trade offers in my dynasty league since the year began. He'll be in my starting lineup going forward, so it would be almost impossible to trade him for anything less than a top 5 WR or top 10 RB given his production. I really don't know if anyone would pay that, however, until he becomes a primary back.

 

[undercover]

Broke into my line-up last week for the 1st time (ahead of Parker and Westbrook) and of course he has his worst game this year...sorry.....he'll be in my line-up this weekend so be warned!

 

[Sid G]

Yes, they are not going to bring Barber in for Goal line carries anymore. They said that if Julius Jones is in the game on that drive... then Julius Jones stays in the game for the goal line carries. If Barber is in, then Barber stays in for the goal line carries.

Been doing it all year. :(

Since people are making statements based on loose impressions, I thought I'd gather some facts about the way Jones and Barber have been used.The Cowboys have had 43 offensive possessions this season.

On three of them, neither Jones nor Barber had any touches.

On 20 of them, Jones had at least one touch, while Barber had none.

On 14 of them, Barber had at least one touch, while Jones had none.

On six of them, Jones and Barber each had at least one touch.

Of the 20 drives on which only Jones had touches, Jones was given a touch inside the 10 on two of them, once against the Bears in week 3 and once against the Rams in week 4.

Of the six drives in which Jones and Barber both had touches, twice it was the case the Jones carried the ball early in the drive, followed by Barber when the drive reached the opponents' 10. Both of these instances occurred against Miami in week 2. On the remaining four drives in which both touched the ball, the Cowboys did not advance the ball inside the other team's 25.

So, I'd call it inconclusive as to whether Barber is the "goal line back," or whether it's "whoever starts finishes." There are two examples that support the former, and two that support the latter. The cases where Jones finished occurred in the last two games, which might be weak evidence of trend, but the IV matter last week clouds that inference.

 

[Fodasme69]

Yes, they are not going to bring Barber in for Goal line carries anymore. They said that if Julius Jones is in the game on that drive... then Julius Jones stays in the game for the goal line carries. If Barber is in, then Barber stays in for the goal line carries.

Been doing it all year.

Since people are making statements based on loose impressions, I thought I'd gather some facts about the way Jones and Barber have been used.The Cowboys have had 43 offensive possessions this season.

On three of them, neither Jones nor Barber had any touches.

On 20 of them, Jones had at least one touch, while Barber had none.

On 14 of them, Barber had at least one touch, while Jones had none.

On six of them, Jones and Barber each had at least one touch.

Of the 20 drives on which only Jones had touches, Jones was given a touch inside the 10 on two of them, once against the Bears in week 3 and once against the Rams in week 4.

Of the six drives in which Jones and Barber both had touches, twice it was the case the Jones carried the ball early in the drive, followed by Barber when the drive reached the opponents' 10. Both of these instances occurred against Miami in week 2. On the remaining four drives in which both touched the ball, the Cowboys did not advance the ball inside the other team's 25.

So, I'd call it inconclusive as to whether Barber is the "goal line back," or whether it's "whoever starts finishes." There are two examples that support the former, and two that support the latter. The cases where Jones finished occurred in the last two games, which might be weak evidence of trend, but the IV matter last week clouds that inference.

The game against the bears....JJ got hurt on a drive and Barber came in and finished off the drive (TD PASS) so that can also clouds that indifference.The Cowboys have said all along that the RB who starts the drive finishes it unless they ask out (tired) or are injured. Like you stated which sends a clear message in my eyes:

On 20 of them, Jones had at least one touch, while Barber had none.

On 14 of them, Barber had at least one touch, while Jones had none.

regardless of where the drives ended this indicates that the RB who starts a drive ends it.

 

[Righetti]

I was offered LJ for MBIII in Dynasty from a Dallas fan who also has a pretty decent team. I accepted.

I have MB3 and offered him for LJ and was turned down

 

[Sid G]

Yes, they are not going to bring Barber in for Goal line carries anymore. They said that if Julius Jones is in the game on that drive... then Julius Jones stays in the game for the goal line carries. If Barber is in, then Barber stays in for the goal line carries.

Been doing it all year.

Since people are making statements based on loose impressions, I thought I'd gather some facts about the way Jones and Barber have been used.The Cowboys have had 43 offensive possessions this season.

On three of them, neither Jones nor Barber had any touches.

On 20 of them, Jones had at least one touch, while Barber had none.

On 14 of them, Barber had at least one touch, while Jones had none.

On six of them, Jones and Barber each had at least one touch.

Of the 20 drives on which only Jones had touches, Jones was given a touch inside the 10 on two of them, once against the Bears in week 3 and once against the Rams in week 4.

Of the six drives in which Jones and Barber both had touches, twice it was the case the Jones carried the ball early in the drive, followed by Barber when the drive reached the opponents' 10. Both of these instances occurred against Miami in week 2. On the remaining four drives in which both touched the ball, the Cowboys did not advance the ball inside the other team's 25.

So, I'd call it inconclusive as to whether Barber is the "goal line back," or whether it's "whoever starts finishes." There are two examples that support the former, and two that support the latter. The cases where Jones finished occurred in the last two games, which might be weak evidence of trend, but the IV matter last week clouds that inference.

The game against the bears....JJ got hurt on a drive and Barber came in and finished off the drive (TD PASS) so that can also clouds that indifference.The Cowboys have said all along that the RB who starts the drive finishes it unless they ask out (tired) or are injured. Like you stated which sends a clear message in my eyes:

On 20 of them, Jones had at least one touch, while Barber had none.

On 14 of them, Barber had at least one touch, while Jones had none.

regardless of where the drives ended this indicates that the RB who starts a drive ends it.

Well, I don't know if Jones was hurt or not, but on that drive against the Bears than ended in a TD pass to Barber, Jones did not touch the ball (see the play-by-play).I agree that there's some evidence that they want to stick to one back on a given drive, but that doesn't explain away those two drives against Miami where Jones started but only Barber got touches inside the 10. Jones only had three touches on each of those drives, so it seems unlikely that he was tired.

 

[Fodasme69]

Yes, they are not going to bring Barber in for Goal line carries anymore. They said that if Julius Jones is in the game on that drive... then Julius Jones stays in the game for the goal line carries. If Barber is in, then Barber stays in for the goal line carries.

Been doing it all year.

Since people are making statements based on loose impressions, I thought I'd gather some facts about the way Jones and Barber have been used.The Cowboys have had 43 offensive possessions this season.

On three of them, neither Jones nor Barber had any touches.

On 20 of them, Jones had at least one touch, while Barber had none.

On 14 of them, Barber had at least one touch, while Jones had none.

On six of them, Jones and Barber each had at least one touch.

Of the 20 drives on which only Jones had touches, Jones was given a touch inside the 10 on two of them, once against the Bears in week 3 and once against the Rams in week 4.

Of the six drives in which Jones and Barber both had touches, twice it was the case the Jones carried the ball early in the drive, followed by Barber when the drive reached the opponents' 10. Both of these instances occurred against Miami in week 2. On the remaining four drives in which both touched the ball, the Cowboys did not advance the ball inside the other team's 25.

So, I'd call it inconclusive as to whether Barber is the "goal line back," or whether it's "whoever starts finishes." There are two examples that support the former, and two that support the latter. The cases where Jones finished occurred in the last two games, which might be weak evidence of trend, but the IV matter last week clouds that inference.

The game against the bears....JJ got hurt on a drive and Barber came in and finished off the drive (TD PASS) so that can also clouds that indifference.The Cowboys have said all along that the RB who starts the drive finishes it unless they ask out (tired) or are injured. Like you stated which sends a clear message in my eyes:

On 20 of them, Jones had at least one touch, while Barber had none.

On 14 of them, Barber had at least one touch, while Jones had none.

regardless of where the drives ended this indicates that the RB who starts a drive ends it.

Well, I don't know if Jones was hurt or not, but on that drive against the Bears than ended in a TD pass to Barber, Jones did not touch the ball (see the play-by-play).I agree that there's some evidence that they want to stick to one back on a given drive, but that doesn't explain away those two drives against Miami where Jones started but only Barber got touches inside the 10. Jones only had three touches on each of those drives, so it seems unlikely that he was tired.

Might have been the TD run than....he did have 2 TD's that game Concerning the Mia game no idea. I remember watching the game but do not recall those situations (I believe you I just don't rememer them). Either way I'm sure this will sort itself out.

 

[Bankerguy]

Yes, they are not going to bring Barber in for Goal line carries anymore. They said that if Julius Jones is in the game on that drive... then Julius Jones stays in the game for the goal line carries. If Barber is in, then Barber stays in for the goal line carries.

Agreed. Someone else posted previously that Barber was getting an IV during that drive. Was Barber getting an IV? Were there other examples where Barber was not occupied and JJ stayed in? Is there a quote somewhere saying JJ will stay in on drives?On value of MBIII, I've not received any trade offers in my dynasty league since the year began. He'll be in my starting lineup going forward, so it would be almost impossible to trade him for anything less than a top 5 WR or top 10 RB given his production. I really don't know if anyone would pay that, however, until he becomes a primary back.

Barber was NOT getting an IV, he was the first one to congratulate Julius on his TD.He got the IV at the half.

 

[Banger]

Yes, they are not going to bring Barber in for Goal line carries anymore. They said that if Julius Jones is in the game on that drive... then Julius Jones stays in the game for the goal line carries. If Barber is in, then Barber stays in for the goal line carries.

that will last until JJ gets stuffed a few times....

 

[Bankerguy]

Yes, they are not going to bring Barber in for Goal line carries anymore. They said that if Julius Jones is in the game on that drive... then Julius Jones stays in the game for the goal line carries. If Barber is in, then Barber stays in for the goal line carries.

that will last until JJ gets stuffed a few times....

Barber was stuffed on back to back short yardage attempts, which resulted in a 3 and out. (To be fair...JJ had a similar series earier in the game, but before his TD) Here was the Barber short yardage. 1-10-DAL 20 (3:55) 9-T.Romo pass short middle to 82-J.Witten to DAL 29 for 9 yards (25-C.Chavous). Pass complete on a curl. 2-1-DAL 29 (3:22) 24-M.Barber up the middle to DAL 29 for no gain (95-C.Ryan). 3-1-DAL 29 (2:42) 24-M.Barber up the middle to DAL 29 for no gain (51-W.Witherspoon). Of note.....Hall of St Louis ran this punt back for a TD.

 

[Colts Win]

I just traded MB3, Galloway and two 08 1st's for Gore, Lee Evens and 08 2nd.

PPR dynasty

 

[Colts Win]

bump

 

[ImTheScientist]

Barber was stuffed on back to back short yardage attempts, which resulted in a 3 and out. (To be fair...JJ had a similar series earier in the game, but before his TD) Here was the Barber short yardage. 1-10-DAL 20 (3:55) 9-T.Romo pass short middle to 82-J.Witten to DAL 29 for 9 yards (25-C.Chavous). Pass complete on a curl. 2-1-DAL 29 (3:22) 24-M.Barber up the middle to DAL 29 for no gain (95-C.Ryan). 3-1-DAL 29 (2:42) 24-M.Barber up the middle to DAL 29 for no gain (51-W.Witherspoon). Of note.....Hall of St Louis ran this punt back for a TD.

You have hated MBIII from day one and always said JJ is the better back. Are you ready to own up and admit you were wrong or are you going to continue to blindly support?

 

[BigJim®]

Of note.....Hall of St Louis ran this punt back for a TD.

Thanks for editing in the critical 'note.' I'm sure Barber is losing sleep that he single-handedly gave Dante Hall a punt return TD on a silver platter. Understanding you frequent MBIII threads primarily to take potshots at Barber, but... since this is a FF forum n'all and the question in this particular thread asks about the value of Barber, please update your stance on the value of owning JJ vs. MBIII. JJ remains the guy to own and Barber remains basically without value, and the St. Louis game pretty much carves that into stone, right? Enquiring minds have to know. TIA

 

[ImTheScientist]

Of note.....Hall of St Louis ran this punt back for a TD.

Thanks for editing in the critical 'note.' I'm sure Barber is losing sleep that he single-handedly gave Dante Hall a punt return TD on a silver platter. Understanding you frequent MBIII threads primarily to take potshots at Barber, but... since this is a FF forum n'all and the question in this particular thread asks about the value of Barber, please update your stance on the value of owning JJ vs. MBIII. JJ remains the guy to own and Barber remains basically without value, and the St. Louis game pretty much carves that into stone, right? Enquiring minds have to know. TIA

 

[Bankerguy]

Of note.....Hall of St Louis ran this punt back for a TD.

Thanks for editing in the critical 'note.' I'm sure Barber is losing sleep that he single-handedly gave Dante Hall a punt return TD on a silver platter. Understanding you frequent MBIII threads primarily to take potshots at Barber, but... since this is a FF forum n'all and the question in this particular thread asks about the value of Barber, please update your stance on the value of owning JJ vs. MBIII. JJ remains the guy to own and Barber remains basically without value, and the St. Louis game pretty much carves that into stone, right? Enquiring minds have to know. TIA

No I don't. You guys really kill me.There was no opinion given in any of the previous posts here. Strictly facts provided.I added for the folks who were NOT in the know....that in fact MB3 was NOT getting an IV when Julius scored.I also included that fact that MB3 was stuffed (I also pointed out out JJ did the same earlier) on 2 straight short yardage scenarios and formations.Once again I need to state my opinions for the "haters". So here they are ONCE again.I have not stated once that Julius would outperform MB3 in production this year. Stop twisting this.I have stated that MB3 benefited from opportunities last year and not necessarily 100% based on talent.I still believe MB3 is not a starting NFL back and the Cowboys are much better off with a RBBC approach (Apprarently a HOF coach and a current 4-0 coach agree with me).I have stated that I thought JJ represented "value" this year and could likely outperform his ADP.I also stated that I thought JJ would cut into Barbers TD totals this year. The jury is still out on that.OH, and I am a Barber owner.

 

[Foosball God]

 

[BigJim®]

No I don't. You guys really kill me.There was no opinion given in any of the previous posts here. Strictly facts provided.

All due respect, you seem very quick to provide "facts" which discount MBIII, and I honestly don;t recall any facts that tarnish JJ in any way. Did I miss you mentioning in consideration of MBIII's value that JJ's concussion issues might benefit MBIII? Did I miss you acknowledging that while "the jury is still out" as you say, the first 3 games gave tremendosly lopsided production and TD opportunities to Barber? Did I miss you calling attention to the reality that JJ is a FA next year and the Cowboys would be well served to decide whether they need him and what their plan B is if they don't resign him? I think not. No, you're just unbiased providing facts, such as the highly interesting trivia that a failed 3rd and short by MBIII led to a Hall punt return.

I added for the folks who were NOT in the know....that in fact MB3 was NOT getting an IV when Julius scored.I also included that fact that MB3 was stuffed (I also pointed out out JJ did the same earlier) on 2 straight short yardage scenarios and formations.

Technically, you initially posted only that MBIII was stuffed twice. Perhaps aware that you were perpetuating your biased appearance, or perhaps because you knew you'd be called on it, you edited that to acknowledge JJ had done the same. However, you also added the Hall return trivia for no apparent purpose but to magnify MBIII's failure vs. JJ's failure.

Once again I need to state my opinions for the "haters". So here they are ONCE again.I have not stated once that Julius would outperform MB3 in production this year. Stop twisting this.I have stated that MB3 benefited from opportunities last year and not necessarily 100% based on talent.I still believe MB3 is not a starting NFL back and the Cowboys are much better off with a RBBC approach (Apprarently a HOF coach and a current 4-0 coach agree with me).I have stated that I thought JJ represented "value" this year and could likely outperform his ADP.I also stated that I thought JJ would cut into Barbers TD totals this year. The jury is still out on that.OH, and I am a Barber owner.

First, I don't see anyone twisting. I'm bluntly calling you out. Last year you took the same exact stances posted above, then had an epiphany late in the year while Barber was well on his way to tallying 16 TDs, where you acknowledged perhaps Barber did have talent and was perhaps best suited for this system. That was short lived; you do another about face leading into this FF season arguing that JJ was better value this year, that MBIII still didn't have talent, that two coaching staffs can't be wrong, etc. To date, I would call you blatantly wrong, and I believe firmly that 7 of 10 Cowboyu fans would do the same. While your position is 'the jury is still out,' that jury being out is little solace to those who drafted JJ through 1/3 of a FF season. Beyond that, you are evasive on the actual question in this post. So based on your positions stated above:What is Barber's FF value *to you* now in week 5, based on his current status as a top 10 scoring RB? Would you trade him for any top 20 RB? A Top 20 WR? A future draft pick? Candidly, I'm mildly surprised you still own him at all. I really can't fathom he'd be available via draft or trade based on your seemingly anti valuation of him vs. the masses. Did he fall into your lap years ago? I have to say I'd have smelled out your disdain for him and stole him from you if you were in my league. FWIW.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Bankerguy, way to back off I guess thats as good as we'll get from him

 

[Bankerguy]

Bankerguy, way to back off I guess thats as good as we'll get from him

Find me a link to anything I have said to the contrary this year.If my views bother you so much, I suggest the ignore feature. Have to admit, I've considered using it on you.Nice sig btw...I agree.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Bankerguy, way to back off I guess thats as good as we'll get from him

Find me a link to anything I have said to the contrary this year.If my views bother you so much, I suggest the ignore feature. Have to admit, I've considered using it on you.

Nice sig btw...I agree.

MBIII - BankerguyMBIII - Bankerguy

MBIII Bankerguy

 

[ImTheScientist]

Bankerguy, way to back off I guess thats as good as we'll get from him

Find me a link to anything I have said to the contrary this year.If my views bother you so much, I suggest the ignore feature. Have to admit, I've considered using it on you.Nice sig btw...I agree.

now he says "This year"......might as well say "last week"

 

[Bankerguy]

No I don't. You guys really kill me.There was no opinion given in any of the previous posts here. Strictly facts provided.

All due respect, you seem very quick to provide "facts" which discount MBIII, and I honestly don;t recall any facts that tarnish JJ in any way. Did I miss you mentioning in consideration of MBIII's value that JJ's concussion issues might benefit MBIII? Did I miss you acknowledging that while "the jury is still out" as you say, the first 3 games gave tremendosly lopsided production and TD opportunities to Barber? Did I miss you calling attention to the reality that JJ is a FA next year and the Cowboys would be well served to decide whether they need him and what their plan B is if they don't resign him? I think not. No, you're just unbiased providing facts, such as the highly interesting trivia that a failed 3rd and short by MBIII led to a Hall punt return.

I added for the folks who were NOT in the know....that in fact MB3 was NOT getting an IV when Julius scored.I also included that fact that MB3 was stuffed (I also pointed out out JJ did the same earlier) on 2 straight short yardage scenarios and formations.

Technically, you initially posted only that MBIII was stuffed twice. Perhaps aware that you were perpetuating your biased appearance, or perhaps because you knew you'd be called on it, you edited that to acknowledge JJ had done the same. However, you also added the Hall return trivia for no apparent purpose but to magnify MBIII's failure vs. JJ's failure.

Once again I need to state my opinions for the "haters". So here they are ONCE again.I have not stated once that Julius would outperform MB3 in production this year. Stop twisting this.I have stated that MB3 benefited from opportunities last year and not necessarily 100% based on talent.I still believe MB3 is not a starting NFL back and the Cowboys are much better off with a RBBC approach (Apprarently a HOF coach and a current 4-0 coach agree with me).I have stated that I thought JJ represented "value" this year and could likely outperform his ADP.I also stated that I thought JJ would cut into Barbers TD totals this year. The jury is still out on that.OH, and I am a Barber owner.

First, I don't see anyone twisting. I'm bluntly calling you out. Last year you took the same exact stances posted above, then had an epiphany late in the year while Barber was well on his way to tallying 16 TDs, where you acknowledged perhaps Barber did have talent and was perhaps best suited for this system. That was short lived; you do another about face leading into this FF season arguing that JJ was better value this year, that MBIII still didn't have talent, that two coaching staffs can't be wrong, etc. To date, I would call you blatantly wrong, and I believe firmly that 7 of 10 Cowboyu fans would do the same. While your position is 'the jury is still out,' that jury being out is little solace to those who drafted JJ through 1/3 of a FF season. Beyond that, you are evasive on the actual question in this post. So based on your positions stated above:What is Barber's FF value *to you* now in week 5, based on his current status as a top 10 scoring RB? Would you trade him for any top 20 RB? A Top 20 WR? A future draft pick? Candidly, I'm mildly surprised you still own him at all. I really can't fathom he'd be available via draft or trade based on your seemingly anti valuation of him vs. the masses. Did he fall into your lap years ago? I have to say I'd have smelled out your disdain for him and stole him from you if you were in my league. FWIW.

My goodness.I am not fancy enough to do all the cool quotes like you. I'll try my best to respond.The Value of Barber to me is extemly high as in the league I own him in is a weighted TD heavy. (YMMV).Hope that helps.I was wrong last year and admitted it. That is NOT in question. I stated JJ was the back to own, not MB3. This year I have clearly stated a NUMBER of times, that Barber will outperform JJ this year. So, not sure what error you guys are expecting me to admit now. I stated JJ has value based on ADP and would cut into Barbers TD totals. As for my admission last year, I am not sure which week it was were I voiced my hope for more carries. However, the playoffs showed me something. *IF* Barber was such a stud RB why did Parcells ride JJ against Seattle.After watching and reading nearly everything written and talked about with regards to this debate in the offseason. It was my opinion that the two backs would be used like last year with JJ given more of a shot if he had the hot hand and to keep more of his GL touches. You have called me out, and I am here answering and clarifying because you boys still don't seem to get it. I am a DIE hard Cowboys fan, first and foremost I root for them over anything FF related. For all I care Barber could score 50 TD's.....great. Also, as stated, I am a Barber owner, not a JJ owner. Why would I take this stance? Why put up with the abuse I have taken over this topic, if I truly didn't believe. I would hardly be called an attention whore in these parts.Carry on though.

 

[Bankerguy]

Bankerguy, way to back off I guess thats as good as we'll get from him

Find me a link to anything I have said to the contrary this year.If my views bother you so much, I suggest the ignore feature. Have to admit, I've considered using it on you.

Nice sig btw...I agree.

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MBIII Bankerguy

Thanks for the stroll down amnesia lane.Those are all 2006.

 

[Bankerguy]

The 2007 Barber Spotlight thread.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...4&hl=Barber

Post 45.

Post 47.

Post 53.

Post 55.

Gee looks like familar things I said in this thread too.

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[ImTheScientist]

The 2007 Barber Spotlight thread.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...4&hl=Barber

Post 45.

Post 47.

Post 53.

Post 55.

Gee looks like familar things I said in this thread too.

Edit-Forgot link

You yourself It seems to me like everything you said about JJ in that thread is wrong to this point. Next year you will MBIII

 

[Bankerguy]

The 2007 Barber Spotlight thread.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...4&hl=Barber

Post 45.

Post 47.

Post 53.

Post 55.

Gee looks like familar things I said in this thread too.

Edit-Forgot link

You yourself It seems to me like everything you said about JJ in that thread is wrong to this point. Next year you will MBIII

You think I don't like MB3....you are slow.Here is what I propose. Since I am sick of your crap and it seems like I am not alone based on your sig and current User rating of 1 Star. I challenge you to come up with some sort of contest that runs for say 2 or 3 weeks (Football related). You against me. Very simply... the loser leaves FBG's for the remainder of this year, how does that sound?

If you agree....send me the contest idea.

 

[Bankerguy]

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