What's Normal? - Do you reset your trip odometer(s) after filling up/charging? (3 Viewers)

[-OZ-]

newer cars already do this, I thought.

There’s the odometer which obviously we don’t reset. Two tripometers which I only reset for long trips if I think about it (usually don’t) and then there’s the vehicle computer which automatically sets every refill and every time we start the vehicle. I never reset those manually.

 

[Terminalxylem]

No. Seems a bit anal-retentive to me.
Do you write all the mileage down in a little notebook before you reset?

The idea for older cars is you can keep track of the gas mileage to know when to change the oil and if you don’t get the amount of miles on a full tank there might be an issue.

It’s essential for older cars.

No I don’t use a notebook but I email myself each time I perform maintenance on our vehicles.

% agree. I also like seeing how far I can push the range, after the low fuel light goes on.

FTR, I’ve never run out of gas. Maybe a future WN? topic?

 

[belljr]

newer cars already do this, I thought.

There’s the odometer which obviously we don’t reset. Two tripometers which I only reset for long trips if I think about it (usually don’t) and then there’s the vehicle computer which automatically sets every refill and every time we start the vehicle. I never reset those manually.

My vehicle tripometer A is what is used by the car computer to calculate mpg avg

 

[Ron Swanson]

Not on my cars. But it was critical on my motorcycles when I used to do a lot of long trips in areas with sparse gas stations. A 5 gallon tank with less than 1/2 gallon partitioned off for reserve on a bike that gets mid 20 MPG is a recipe for a lot of walking in the desert if not paying attention.

 

[-OZ-]

newer cars already do this, I thought.

There’s the odometer which obviously we don’t reset. Two tripometers which I only reset for long trips if I think about it (usually don’t) and then there’s the vehicle computer which automatically sets every refill and every time we start the vehicle. I never reset those manually.

My vehicle tripometer A is what is used by the car computer to calculate mpg avg

What year is your vehicle?

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Not sure how to reset on new cars. Used it years ago when all I had to do was push the button on the dash. Too complicated now. As are the radio, AC, etc. I wish they would have kept this stuff on buttons rather than screens.

You do realise there's a manual that tells you how? It's even available online.

 

[Oracle]

Yes and no.

Yes…My cars stateside have a screen that tells me how many miles I’ve gone on a tank of gas/how many miles I have left on the same tank of gas.

No…I’m certain my cars in Japan have the same technology, but I have not figured out how to use it so I am always monitoring my gas milage.

 

[shuke]

My car tells me how many miles I have left to the tank and my oil life. That's all I need.

 

[jhib]

Not sure how to reset on new cars. Used it years ago when all I had to do was push the button on the dash. Too complicated now. As are the radio, AC, etc. I wish they would have kept this stuff on buttons rather than screens.

I only drive 20+ year old cars so I've never had to deal with this. Going to avoid it as long as I can.

I trip A when I fill up gas. I trip B when I change the oil.

I'm not really sure why I do either. I rarely calculate the gas mileage, and I change the oil every March and October no matter how many miles I drive.

That's basically why I wouldn't even really consider doing it for the oil change reason.

For my newer car that gets a lot of miles put on it, I just have the oil changed when the (regular) odometer is somewhere near a multiple of the recommended mileage interval, so the trip wouldn't be much help. And for my older car that doesn't get as many miles put on it anymore, it's more about the timing than the miles so I just have it done whenever it's convenient (like when putting winter tires on).

 

[belljr]

newer cars already do this, I thought.

There’s the odometer which obviously we don’t reset. Two tripometers which I only reset for long trips if I think about it (usually don’t) and then there’s the vehicle computer which automatically sets every refill and every time we start the vehicle. I never reset those manually.

My vehicle tripometer A is what is used by the car computer to calculate mpg avg

What year is your vehicle?

2022 but I should clarify. The how many miles left in your tank is separate. The control center "fuel efficiency" option uses the trips

 

[-OZ-]

newer cars already do this, I thought.

There’s the odometer which obviously we don’t reset. Two tripometers which I only reset for long trips if I think about it (usually don’t) and then there’s the vehicle computer which automatically sets every refill and every time we start the vehicle. I never reset those manually.

My vehicle tripometer A is what is used by the car computer to calculate mpg avg

What year is your vehicle?

2022 but I should clarify. The how many miles left in your tank is separate. The control center "fuel efficiency" option uses the trips

My 18 RAV4 shows MPG from last refuel and since start that trip. Without resetting the tripometer

 

[FBG26]

At 16, I bought my first car but the gas gauge always read full. I had to reset the trip odometer every fill up to know how much gas I had left. My mom took it for a drive after I bought it and ran out of gas even though she thought it was full. She wondered why I bought that hunk of junk but it was my hunk of junk and I loved it.

Old habits die hard, so three cars later I still reset the trip odometer every time I fill up.

 

[FairWarning]

Wow.

Are you surprised at the results or that this is even a thing?

FWIW... you strike me as an old school trip odometer re-setter.

I took it as a joke because actually resetting the odometer is illegal.

No. Nothing about resetting the odometer.

I was wow that this is a thing.

I do because the gage on my work truck isnt that accurate. I don’t like to run the tank low - fuel pumps are not cheap.

 

[belljr]

newer cars already do this, I thought.

There’s the odometer which obviously we don’t reset. Two tripometers which I only reset for long trips if I think about it (usually don’t) and then there’s the vehicle computer which automatically sets every refill and every time we start the vehicle. I never reset those manually.

My vehicle tripometer A is what is used by the car computer to calculate mpg avg

What year is your vehicle?

2022 but I should clarify. The how many miles left in your tank is separate. The control center "fuel efficiency" option uses the trips

My 18 RAV4 shows MPG from last refuel and since start that trip. Without resetting the tripometer

This bugged me lol. So my trip computer button has current drive and previous drive. I then have trip a option that shows the prior 3 and current. (Which resets every fill, which I can change) And a trip b option which I never reset shows me the MPG since I owned the car

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Reset trip A on a gas fillup
Reset trip B on an oil change

This guy knows stuff.

 

[wlwiles]

I used to but since I got a work vehicle ~10 years ago I haven't done it since. The only time I use the odometer now is if I'm using it for a personal trip so I can easily track the mileage for reporting purposes.

 

[Sullie]

I reset trip A for everyday use b/c the car calculates mpg's. I use the B for long trips to see how the vehicle did on a long trip. Both my newer cars track date and mileage for oil changes plus when the vehicles are due for next oil change - oil change light pops up on my Honda's. On the older vehicles, I write the info on the little windshield stickers which you can get free at Advance Auto/Autozone/etc.

 

[fatness]

Speaking of odometers, Tesla is being sued in California for inflating odometer mileage on vehicles in order to get the vehicles to pass out of warranty more quickly.

Tesla Faces Class Action Lawsuit Alleging Odometer Manipulation

Tesla is facing a proposed class action lawsuit in California accusing the company of deliberately inflating odometer readings in its vehicles. The lawsuit claims Tesla manipulated vehicle mileage data to shorten warranty periods and reduce […]

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The lawsuit, brought forward by law firm Singleton Schreiber, alleges the vehicle began logging an average of over 72 miles per day — nearly quadruple the 20 miles Hinton expected based on his driving habits. This sudden surge in mileage pushed the vehicle past the 50,000-mile limit of Tesla’s Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty, which covers repairs for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. When Hinton returned to Tesla for continued service, the automaker informed him the warranty had expired and refused to cover further repairs. Then, Hinton alleges the mileage readings returned to expected levels after the warranty lapsed.

According to the claims in the lawsuit, Tesla’s odometer system estimates mileage using predictive algorithms that factor in energy consumption and driver behavior, unlike traditional odometers that rely on physical distance measurement. The lawsuit argues that Tesla assigns lower efficiency values to aggressive driving — such as rapid acceleration — causing the system to report inflated distances. These discrepancies, the complaint alleges, can artificially accelerate depreciation, force early warranty expiration, and pressure owners into purchasing extended warranties.

The lawsuit claims that Tesla’s algorithmic approach can inflate mileage readings, and that “Tesla knowingly overstates the distances traveled in Tesla vehicles,” calling the practice a calculated effort to reduce warranty-related costs and increase profit margins. Tesla has not publicly commented on the lawsuit, and none of the claims have been verified in court.

 

[-OZ-]

Speaking of odometers, Tesla is being sued in California for inflating odometer mileage on vehicles in order to get the vehicles to pass out of warranty more quickly.

Tesla Faces Class Action Lawsuit Alleging Odometer Manipulation

Tesla is facing a proposed class action lawsuit in California accusing the company of deliberately inflating odometer readings in its vehicles. The lawsuit claims Tesla manipulated vehicle mileage data to shorten warranty periods and reduce […]

driveteslacanada.ca

The lawsuit, brought forward by law firm Singleton Schreiber, alleges the vehicle began logging an average of over 72 miles per day — nearly quadruple the 20 miles Hinton expected based on his driving habits. This sudden surge in mileage pushed the vehicle past the 50,000-mile limit of Tesla’s Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty, which covers repairs for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. When Hinton returned to Tesla for continued service, the automaker informed him the warranty had expired and refused to cover further repairs. Then, Hinton alleges the mileage readings returned to expected levels after the warranty lapsed.

According to the claims in the lawsuit, Tesla’s odometer system estimates mileage using predictive algorithms that factor in energy consumption and driver behavior, unlike traditional odometers that rely on physical distance measurement. The lawsuit argues that Tesla assigns lower efficiency values to aggressive driving — such as rapid acceleration — causing the system to report inflated distances. These discrepancies, the complaint alleges, can artificially accelerate depreciation, force early warranty expiration, and pressure owners into purchasing extended warranties.

The lawsuit claims that Tesla’s algorithmic approach can inflate mileage readings, and that “Tesla knowingly overstates the distances traveled in Tesla vehicles,” calling the practice a calculated effort to reduce warranty-related costs and increase profit margins. Tesla has not publicly commented on the lawsuit, and none of the claims have been verified in court.

Interesting. Presumably this also inflates their mile per charge rate.

 

[Psychopav]

Speaking of odometers, Tesla is being sued in California for inflating odometer mileage on vehicles in order to get the vehicles to pass out of warranty more quickly.

Tesla Faces Class Action Lawsuit Alleging Odometer Manipulation

Tesla is facing a proposed class action lawsuit in California accusing the company of deliberately inflating odometer readings in its vehicles. The lawsuit claims Tesla manipulated vehicle mileage data to shorten warranty periods and reduce […]

driveteslacanada.ca

The lawsuit, brought forward by law firm Singleton Schreiber, alleges the vehicle began logging an average of over 72 miles per day — nearly quadruple the 20 miles Hinton expected based on his driving habits. This sudden surge in mileage pushed the vehicle past the 50,000-mile limit of Tesla’s Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty, which covers repairs for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. When Hinton returned to Tesla for continued service, the automaker informed him the warranty had expired and refused to cover further repairs. Then, Hinton alleges the mileage readings returned to expected levels after the warranty lapsed.

According to the claims in the lawsuit, Tesla’s odometer system estimates mileage using predictive algorithms that factor in energy consumption and driver behavior, unlike traditional odometers that rely on physical distance measurement. The lawsuit argues that Tesla assigns lower efficiency values to aggressive driving — such as rapid acceleration — causing the system to report inflated distances. These discrepancies, the complaint alleges, can artificially accelerate depreciation, force early warranty expiration, and pressure owners into purchasing extended warranties.

The lawsuit claims that Tesla’s algorithmic approach can inflate mileage readings, and that “Tesla knowingly overstates the distances traveled in Tesla vehicles,” calling the practice a calculated effort to reduce warranty-related costs and increase profit margins. Tesla has not publicly commented on the lawsuit, and none of the claims have been verified in court.

Interesting. Presumably this also inflates their mile per charge rate.

This had to be unintentional. Don't they lease vehicles and don't those leases come with annual mileage limits? I'm surprised this hasn't come up before now. Surely leasees pay attention to mileage.

 

[wlwiles]

Reset trip A on a gas fillup
Reset trip B on an oil change

I only reset mine on oil changes, because I can never remember when my last one was. The little sticker on the windshield they give you still says Next Due: 3000 miles from now, so that's useless and gets removed as soon as I get back in the vehicle after every oil change.

I don't reset it for gas fillups. The only point in doing it was to calculate MPG, and cars do that for you now...

 

[belljr]

My car tells me how far and avg gas mileage for my last 3 fillups. Don't need to anymore. If I'm traveling far I might reset it

 

[Don Quixote]

I clicked on the link in the OP and thought this bump was going to be about what’s happened to the https://whatsnormal.com/ web site.

 

[FarFromHome]

Wow. 150 votes and we at 72% no. Color me surprised. Resetting that damn thing is in my muscle memory. Don't even think about. Same with tracking what my mpg is. I just do the math everytine. I guess it doesn't really make sense why I do it. I'm always within .5 of mile per gallon everytime. Ha ha

 

[FarFromHome]

My car tells me how far and avg gas mileage for my last 3 fillups. Don't need to anymore. If I'm traveling far I might reset it

Mine too. I still try to confirm it's correct. Maybe I have a problem.

 

[the moops]

The little sticker on the windshield they give you still says Next Due: 3000 miles from now, so that's useless and gets removed as soon as I get back in the vehicle after every oil change.

They dont write the actual mileage of the next oil change? Also, switch to synthetic and get an oil change every 5K instead.

 

[gianmarco]

Speaking of odometers, Tesla is being sued in California for inflating odometer mileage on vehicles in order to get the vehicles to pass out of warranty more quickly.

Tesla Faces Class Action Lawsuit Alleging Odometer Manipulation

Tesla is facing a proposed class action lawsuit in California accusing the company of deliberately inflating odometer readings in its vehicles. The lawsuit claims Tesla manipulated vehicle mileage data to shorten warranty periods and reduce […]

driveteslacanada.ca

The lawsuit, brought forward by law firm Singleton Schreiber, alleges the vehicle began logging an average of over 72 miles per day — nearly quadruple the 20 miles Hinton expected based on his driving habits. This sudden surge in mileage pushed the vehicle past the 50,000-mile limit of Tesla’s Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty, which covers repairs for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. When Hinton returned to Tesla for continued service, the automaker informed him the warranty had expired and refused to cover further repairs. Then, Hinton alleges the mileage readings returned to expected levels after the warranty lapsed.

According to the claims in the lawsuit, Tesla’s odometer system estimates mileage using predictive algorithms that factor in energy consumption and driver behavior, unlike traditional odometers that rely on physical distance measurement. The lawsuit argues that Tesla assigns lower efficiency values to aggressive driving — such as rapid acceleration — causing the system to report inflated distances. These discrepancies, the complaint alleges, can artificially accelerate depreciation, force early warranty expiration, and pressure owners into purchasing extended warranties.

The lawsuit claims that Tesla’s algorithmic approach can inflate mileage readings, and that “Tesla knowingly overstates the distances traveled in Tesla vehicles,” calling the practice a calculated effort to reduce warranty-related costs and increase profit margins. Tesla has not publicly commented on the lawsuit, and none of the claims have been verified in court.

Interesting. Presumably this also inflates their mile per charge rate.

This had to be unintentional. Don't they lease vehicles and don't those leases come with annual mileage limits? I'm surprised this hasn't come up before now. Surely leasees pay attention to mileage.

Pay attention to mileage how? I look at my odometer. I don't have a separate instrument to keep track of my mileage. If my car was doing this (intentional or unintentional), there's about 99.999% I wouldn't notice. This person only noticed because they knew how far they were supposed to be traveling. I doubt most of us know that outside of using our car's odometer.

 

[Psychopav]

Speaking of odometers, Tesla is being sued in California for inflating odometer mileage on vehicles in order to get the vehicles to pass out of warranty more quickly.

Tesla Faces Class Action Lawsuit Alleging Odometer Manipulation

Tesla is facing a proposed class action lawsuit in California accusing the company of deliberately inflating odometer readings in its vehicles. The lawsuit claims Tesla manipulated vehicle mileage data to shorten warranty periods and reduce […]

driveteslacanada.ca

The lawsuit, brought forward by law firm Singleton Schreiber, alleges the vehicle began logging an average of over 72 miles per day — nearly quadruple the 20 miles Hinton expected based on his driving habits. This sudden surge in mileage pushed the vehicle past the 50,000-mile limit of Tesla’s Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty, which covers repairs for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. When Hinton returned to Tesla for continued service, the automaker informed him the warranty had expired and refused to cover further repairs. Then, Hinton alleges the mileage readings returned to expected levels after the warranty lapsed.

According to the claims in the lawsuit, Tesla’s odometer system estimates mileage using predictive algorithms that factor in energy consumption and driver behavior, unlike traditional odometers that rely on physical distance measurement. The lawsuit argues that Tesla assigns lower efficiency values to aggressive driving — such as rapid acceleration — causing the system to report inflated distances. These discrepancies, the complaint alleges, can artificially accelerate depreciation, force early warranty expiration, and pressure owners into purchasing extended warranties.

The lawsuit claims that Tesla’s algorithmic approach can inflate mileage readings, and that “Tesla knowingly overstates the distances traveled in Tesla vehicles,” calling the practice a calculated effort to reduce warranty-related costs and increase profit margins. Tesla has not publicly commented on the lawsuit, and none of the claims have been verified in court.

Interesting. Presumably this also inflates their mile per charge rate.

This had to be unintentional. Don't they lease vehicles and don't those leases come with annual mileage limits? I'm surprised this hasn't come up before now. Surely leasees pay attention to mileage.

Pay attention to mileage how? I look at my odometer. I don't have a separate instrument to keep track of my mileage. If my car was doing this (intentional or unintentional), there's about 99.999% I wouldn't notice. This person only noticed because they knew how far they were supposed to be traveling. I doubt most of us know that outside of using our car's odometer.

Do you lease?

 

[gianmarco]

Speaking of odometers, Tesla is being sued in California for inflating odometer mileage on vehicles in order to get the vehicles to pass out of warranty more quickly.

Tesla Faces Class Action Lawsuit Alleging Odometer Manipulation

Tesla is facing a proposed class action lawsuit in California accusing the company of deliberately inflating odometer readings in its vehicles. The lawsuit claims Tesla manipulated vehicle mileage data to shorten warranty periods and reduce […]

driveteslacanada.ca

The lawsuit, brought forward by law firm Singleton Schreiber, alleges the vehicle began logging an average of over 72 miles per day — nearly quadruple the 20 miles Hinton expected based on his driving habits. This sudden surge in mileage pushed the vehicle past the 50,000-mile limit of Tesla’s Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty, which covers repairs for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. When Hinton returned to Tesla for continued service, the automaker informed him the warranty had expired and refused to cover further repairs. Then, Hinton alleges the mileage readings returned to expected levels after the warranty lapsed.

According to the claims in the lawsuit, Tesla’s odometer system estimates mileage using predictive algorithms that factor in energy consumption and driver behavior, unlike traditional odometers that rely on physical distance measurement. The lawsuit argues that Tesla assigns lower efficiency values to aggressive driving — such as rapid acceleration — causing the system to report inflated distances. These discrepancies, the complaint alleges, can artificially accelerate depreciation, force early warranty expiration, and pressure owners into purchasing extended warranties.

The lawsuit claims that Tesla’s algorithmic approach can inflate mileage readings, and that “Tesla knowingly overstates the distances traveled in Tesla vehicles,” calling the practice a calculated effort to reduce warranty-related costs and increase profit margins. Tesla has not publicly commented on the lawsuit, and none of the claims have been verified in court.

Interesting. Presumably this also inflates their mile per charge rate.

This had to be unintentional. Don't they lease vehicles and don't those leases come with annual mileage limits? I'm surprised this hasn't come up before now. Surely leasees pay attention to mileage.

Pay attention to mileage how? I look at my odometer. I don't have a separate instrument to keep track of my mileage. If my car was doing this (intentional or unintentional), there's about 99.999% I wouldn't notice. This person only noticed because they knew how far they were supposed to be traveling. I doubt most of us know that outside of using our car's odometer.

Do you lease?

Yes.

 

[Psychopav]

Speaking of odometers, Tesla is being sued in California for inflating odometer mileage on vehicles in order to get the vehicles to pass out of warranty more quickly.

Tesla Faces Class Action Lawsuit Alleging Odometer Manipulation

Tesla is facing a proposed class action lawsuit in California accusing the company of deliberately inflating odometer readings in its vehicles. The lawsuit claims Tesla manipulated vehicle mileage data to shorten warranty periods and reduce […]

driveteslacanada.ca

The lawsuit, brought forward by law firm Singleton Schreiber, alleges the vehicle began logging an average of over 72 miles per day — nearly quadruple the 20 miles Hinton expected based on his driving habits. This sudden surge in mileage pushed the vehicle past the 50,000-mile limit of Tesla’s Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty, which covers repairs for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. When Hinton returned to Tesla for continued service, the automaker informed him the warranty had expired and refused to cover further repairs. Then, Hinton alleges the mileage readings returned to expected levels after the warranty lapsed.

According to the claims in the lawsuit, Tesla’s odometer system estimates mileage using predictive algorithms that factor in energy consumption and driver behavior, unlike traditional odometers that rely on physical distance measurement. The lawsuit argues that Tesla assigns lower efficiency values to aggressive driving — such as rapid acceleration — causing the system to report inflated distances. These discrepancies, the complaint alleges, can artificially accelerate depreciation, force early warranty expiration, and pressure owners into purchasing extended warranties.

The lawsuit claims that Tesla’s algorithmic approach can inflate mileage readings, and that “Tesla knowingly overstates the distances traveled in Tesla vehicles,” calling the practice a calculated effort to reduce warranty-related costs and increase profit margins. Tesla has not publicly commented on the lawsuit, and none of the claims have been verified in court.

Interesting. Presumably this also inflates their mile per charge rate.

This had to be unintentional. Don't they lease vehicles and don't those leases come with annual mileage limits? I'm surprised this hasn't come up before now. Surely leasees pay attention to mileage.

Pay attention to mileage how? I look at my odometer. I don't have a separate instrument to keep track of my mileage. If my car was doing this (intentional or unintentional), there's about 99.999% I wouldn't notice. This person only noticed because they knew how far they were supposed to be traveling. I doubt most of us know that outside of using our car's odometer.

Do you lease?

Yes.

Then we are different. I lease and I am quite conscious of the mileage because the cost of going over is very high. The story talks about how the owner drives the same commute every day and the odometer increase was noticeable. I would be in the same situation and I'm sure I would notice it.

 

[gianmarco]

Speaking of odometers, Tesla is being sued in California for inflating odometer mileage on vehicles in order to get the vehicles to pass out of warranty more quickly.

Tesla Faces Class Action Lawsuit Alleging Odometer Manipulation

Tesla is facing a proposed class action lawsuit in California accusing the company of deliberately inflating odometer readings in its vehicles. The lawsuit claims Tesla manipulated vehicle mileage data to shorten warranty periods and reduce […]

driveteslacanada.ca

The lawsuit, brought forward by law firm Singleton Schreiber, alleges the vehicle began logging an average of over 72 miles per day — nearly quadruple the 20 miles Hinton expected based on his driving habits. This sudden surge in mileage pushed the vehicle past the 50,000-mile limit of Tesla’s Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty, which covers repairs for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. When Hinton returned to Tesla for continued service, the automaker informed him the warranty had expired and refused to cover further repairs. Then, Hinton alleges the mileage readings returned to expected levels after the warranty lapsed.

According to the claims in the lawsuit, Tesla’s odometer system estimates mileage using predictive algorithms that factor in energy consumption and driver behavior, unlike traditional odometers that rely on physical distance measurement. The lawsuit argues that Tesla assigns lower efficiency values to aggressive driving — such as rapid acceleration — causing the system to report inflated distances. These discrepancies, the complaint alleges, can artificially accelerate depreciation, force early warranty expiration, and pressure owners into purchasing extended warranties.

The lawsuit claims that Tesla’s algorithmic approach can inflate mileage readings, and that “Tesla knowingly overstates the distances traveled in Tesla vehicles,” calling the practice a calculated effort to reduce warranty-related costs and increase profit margins. Tesla has not publicly commented on the lawsuit, and none of the claims have been verified in court.

Interesting. Presumably this also inflates their mile per charge rate.

This had to be unintentional. Don't they lease vehicles and don't those leases come with annual mileage limits? I'm surprised this hasn't come up before now. Surely leasees pay attention to mileage.

Pay attention to mileage how? I look at my odometer. I don't have a separate instrument to keep track of my mileage. If my car was doing this (intentional or unintentional), there's about 99.999% I wouldn't notice. This person only noticed because they knew how far they were supposed to be traveling. I doubt most of us know that outside of using our car's odometer.

Do you lease?

Yes.

Then we are different. I lease and I am quite conscious of the mileage because the cost of going over is very high. The story talks about how the owner drives the same commute every day and the odometer increase was noticeable. I would be in the same situation and I'm sure I would notice it.

This is a very strange conversation.

Of course I'm conscious of my mileage. You know how I watch my mileage? My odometer in my car.

I don't bring a separate odometer. I don't pull up Google maps for every trip and then compare it to my odometer.

That's my whole point. Unless you have something consistent to validate it against (this guy apparently traveled the same distance and knew exactly what it should be and then noticed there was a discrepancy), then this would be something very difficult for most to pick up.

You would? Fantastic. I would wager a SIGNIFICANT amount that you are in the vast minority. If this turns out to be true, the fact this is the first we are hearing of it goes along with that.

Kind of the same way I'd have no idea if my speedometer was slightly off. Why? Because I use that speedometer for my speed and don't bring my own. Even though speeding can be costly.

 

[Harry Manback]

Reset trip A on a gas fillup
Reset trip B on an oil change

This is t the way

 

[wlwiles]

The little sticker on the windshield they give you still says Next Due: 3000 miles from now, so that's useless and gets removed as soon as I get back in the vehicle after every oil change.

They dont write the actual mileage of the next oil change? Also, switch to synthetic and get an oil change every 5K instead.

They write it or print it onto the sticker, but they always put it for 3000 miles from whatever your mileage is that day. I've been using synthetic for years, and I do my oil changes at 7500 miles. I have asked them numerous times to make that little sticker for 7500 miles from now, but I guess they put 3000 on all of them hoping people just look at that number and blindly come in, synthetic oil or not.

 

[Psychopav]

Speaking of odometers, Tesla is being sued in California for inflating odometer mileage on vehicles in order to get the vehicles to pass out of warranty more quickly.

Tesla Faces Class Action Lawsuit Alleging Odometer Manipulation

Tesla is facing a proposed class action lawsuit in California accusing the company of deliberately inflating odometer readings in its vehicles. The lawsuit claims Tesla manipulated vehicle mileage data to shorten warranty periods and reduce […]

driveteslacanada.ca

The lawsuit, brought forward by law firm Singleton Schreiber, alleges the vehicle began logging an average of over 72 miles per day — nearly quadruple the 20 miles Hinton expected based on his driving habits. This sudden surge in mileage pushed the vehicle past the 50,000-mile limit of Tesla’s Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty, which covers repairs for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. When Hinton returned to Tesla for continued service, the automaker informed him the warranty had expired and refused to cover further repairs. Then, Hinton alleges the mileage readings returned to expected levels after the warranty lapsed.

According to the claims in the lawsuit, Tesla’s odometer system estimates mileage using predictive algorithms that factor in energy consumption and driver behavior, unlike traditional odometers that rely on physical distance measurement. The lawsuit argues that Tesla assigns lower efficiency values to aggressive driving — such as rapid acceleration — causing the system to report inflated distances. These discrepancies, the complaint alleges, can artificially accelerate depreciation, force early warranty expiration, and pressure owners into purchasing extended warranties.

The lawsuit claims that Tesla’s algorithmic approach can inflate mileage readings, and that “Tesla knowingly overstates the distances traveled in Tesla vehicles,” calling the practice a calculated effort to reduce warranty-related costs and increase profit margins. Tesla has not publicly commented on the lawsuit, and none of the claims have been verified in court.

Interesting. Presumably this also inflates their mile per charge rate.

This had to be unintentional. Don't they lease vehicles and don't those leases come with annual mileage limits? I'm surprised this hasn't come up before now. Surely leasees pay attention to mileage.

Pay attention to mileage how? I look at my odometer. I don't have a separate instrument to keep track of my mileage. If my car was doing this (intentional or unintentional), there's about 99.999% I wouldn't notice. This person only noticed because they knew how far they were supposed to be traveling. I doubt most of us know that outside of using our car's odometer.

Do you lease?

Yes.

Then we are different. I lease and I am quite conscious of the mileage because the cost of going over is very high. The story talks about how the owner drives the same commute every day and the odometer increase was noticeable. I would be in the same situation and I'm sure I would notice it.

This is a very strange conversation.

Of course I'm conscious of my mileage. You know how I watch my mileage? My odometer in my car.

I don't bring a separate odometer. I don't pull up Google maps for every trip and then compare it to my odometer.

That's my whole point. Unless you have something consistent to validate it against (this guy apparently traveled the same distance and knew exactly what it should be and then noticed there was a discrepancy), then this would be something very difficult for most to pick up.

You would? Fantastic. I would wager a SIGNIFICANT amount that you are in the vast minority. If this turns out to be true, the fact this is the first we are hearing of it goes along with that.

Kind of the same way I'd have no idea if my speedometer was slightly off. Why? Because I use that speedometer for my speed and don't bring my own. Even though speeding can be costly.

Unless I am not in the vast minority, and this is just a glitch.

 

[Instinctive]

With a gas car I used one trip for every oil change and one for gas

Not an issue anymore with EV. Sometimes I play with the trip to see how many miles/kW I get on a trip.

 

[gianmarco]

Speaking of odometers, Tesla is being sued in California for inflating odometer mileage on vehicles in order to get the vehicles to pass out of warranty more quickly.

Tesla Faces Class Action Lawsuit Alleging Odometer Manipulation

Tesla is facing a proposed class action lawsuit in California accusing the company of deliberately inflating odometer readings in its vehicles. The lawsuit claims Tesla manipulated vehicle mileage data to shorten warranty periods and reduce […]

driveteslacanada.ca

The lawsuit, brought forward by law firm Singleton Schreiber, alleges the vehicle began logging an average of over 72 miles per day — nearly quadruple the 20 miles Hinton expected based on his driving habits. This sudden surge in mileage pushed the vehicle past the 50,000-mile limit of Tesla’s Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty, which covers repairs for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. When Hinton returned to Tesla for continued service, the automaker informed him the warranty had expired and refused to cover further repairs. Then, Hinton alleges the mileage readings returned to expected levels after the warranty lapsed.

According to the claims in the lawsuit, Tesla’s odometer system estimates mileage using predictive algorithms that factor in energy consumption and driver behavior, unlike traditional odometers that rely on physical distance measurement. The lawsuit argues that Tesla assigns lower efficiency values to aggressive driving — such as rapid acceleration — causing the system to report inflated distances. These discrepancies, the complaint alleges, can artificially accelerate depreciation, force early warranty expiration, and pressure owners into purchasing extended warranties.

The lawsuit claims that Tesla’s algorithmic approach can inflate mileage readings, and that “Tesla knowingly overstates the distances traveled in Tesla vehicles,” calling the practice a calculated effort to reduce warranty-related costs and increase profit margins. Tesla has not publicly commented on the lawsuit, and none of the claims have been verified in court.

Interesting. Presumably this also inflates their mile per charge rate.

This had to be unintentional. Don't they lease vehicles and don't those leases come with annual mileage limits? I'm surprised this hasn't come up before now. Surely leasees pay attention to mileage.

Pay attention to mileage how? I look at my odometer. I don't have a separate instrument to keep track of my mileage. If my car was doing this (intentional or unintentional), there's about 99.999% I wouldn't notice. This person only noticed because they knew how far they were supposed to be traveling. I doubt most of us know that outside of using our car's odometer.

Do you lease?

Yes.

Then we are different. I lease and I am quite conscious of the mileage because the cost of going over is very high. The story talks about how the owner drives the same commute every day and the odometer increase was noticeable. I would be in the same situation and I'm sure I would notice it.

This is a very strange conversation.

Of course I'm conscious of my mileage. You know how I watch my mileage? My odometer in my car.

I don't bring a separate odometer. I don't pull up Google maps for every trip and then compare it to my odometer.

That's my whole point. Unless you have something consistent to validate it against (this guy apparently traveled the same distance and knew exactly what it should be and then noticed there was a discrepancy), then this would be something very difficult for most to pick up.

You would? Fantastic. I would wager a SIGNIFICANT amount that you are in the vast minority. If this turns out to be true, the fact this is the first we are hearing of it goes along with that.

Kind of the same way I'd have no idea if my speedometer was slightly off. Why? Because I use that speedometer for my speed and don't bring my own. Even though speeding can be costly.

Unless I am not in the vast minority, and this is just a glitch.

You are all over the place with your responses. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say at this point. The initial conversation we were having wasn't about whether or not this was a glitch. You made a statement that "surely leasees pay attention to mileage".

I countered that statement saying that yeah, I pay attention to the mileage by using the odometer in the car. If that odometer was faulty, I wouldn't really know. You then asked if I lease and stated you are conscious of mileage because cost of going over is high. That doesn't have much to do with my original statement, but I explained that yes, I pay attention to the mileage, but again, I pay attention using the odometer in the car. If that odometer is faulty, it would be very unlikely I would notice. I also stated that I think it's unlikely that most people would notice.

What does this being a "glitch" have anything to do with that position? I'm not arguing whether it happened or didn't happen, whether it's intentional or it's not intentional. I'm simply stating that IF it were happening in my car, it's highly unlikely I would have any idea because I don't compare my odometer to any anything else and I doubt most people do. Same way I don't check the temperature of my engine to compare to the temperature gauge, or the speedometer to my speed with a laser gun, or any other piece of equipment that is supposed to be accurate and calibrated. ESPECIALLY an odometer that is heavily regulated and shouldn't be tampered with due to laws and consequences of doing so.

The statement "if it turns out to be true, the fact this is the first we are hearing of it goes along with that" means exactly that. If these odometers have been not reading correctly (glitch, no glitch, intentional, not intentional, don't care), and it hasn't been brought up until recently, and assuming it's been happening a while, means most people didn't notice it was incorrect either.

Now, as for whether or not it's a "glitch", this is actually a class action suit. That means there's got to be at least a few drivers that this is happening to. And, whether intentional or not, glitch or not, that's illegal and it would be a major problem. And this seems to be something that has been brought up before as well.

And, I'll state again, given that over 7 million Teslas have been sold and have been out for about a decade, and this lawsuit is just now being filed by someone noticing this in 2023 tells me this is not something that was obvious to most owners because MOST PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO MILEAGE USING THEIR CAR'S ODOMETER.

 

[Lehigh98]

Update: Car still does it automatically, but I also started using Fuelly app to track MPG / fuel efficiency and overall fuel usage and cost.

 

[the moops]

yes, I pay attention to the mileage, but again, I pay attention using the odometer in the car. If that odometer is faulty, it would be very unlikely I would notice. I also stated that I think it's unlikely that most people would notice.

I am guessing my odometer could be off by as much as 25% and I wouldn't have a clue

 

[Psychopav]

Speaking of odometers, Tesla is being sued in California for inflating odometer mileage on vehicles in order to get the vehicles to pass out of warranty more quickly.

Tesla Faces Class Action Lawsuit Alleging Odometer Manipulation

Tesla is facing a proposed class action lawsuit in California accusing the company of deliberately inflating odometer readings in its vehicles. The lawsuit claims Tesla manipulated vehicle mileage data to shorten warranty periods and reduce […]

driveteslacanada.ca

The lawsuit, brought forward by law firm Singleton Schreiber, alleges the vehicle began logging an average of over 72 miles per day — nearly quadruple the 20 miles Hinton expected based on his driving habits. This sudden surge in mileage pushed the vehicle past the 50,000-mile limit of Tesla’s Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty, which covers repairs for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. When Hinton returned to Tesla for continued service, the automaker informed him the warranty had expired and refused to cover further repairs. Then, Hinton alleges the mileage readings returned to expected levels after the warranty lapsed.

According to the claims in the lawsuit, Tesla’s odometer system estimates mileage using predictive algorithms that factor in energy consumption and driver behavior, unlike traditional odometers that rely on physical distance measurement. The lawsuit argues that Tesla assigns lower efficiency values to aggressive driving — such as rapid acceleration — causing the system to report inflated distances. These discrepancies, the complaint alleges, can artificially accelerate depreciation, force early warranty expiration, and pressure owners into purchasing extended warranties.

The lawsuit claims that Tesla’s algorithmic approach can inflate mileage readings, and that “Tesla knowingly overstates the distances traveled in Tesla vehicles,” calling the practice a calculated effort to reduce warranty-related costs and increase profit margins. Tesla has not publicly commented on the lawsuit, and none of the claims have been verified in court.

Interesting. Presumably this also inflates their mile per charge rate.

This had to be unintentional. Don't they lease vehicles and don't those leases come with annual mileage limits? I'm surprised this hasn't come up before now. Surely leasees pay attention to mileage.

Pay attention to mileage how? I look at my odometer. I don't have a separate instrument to keep track of my mileage. If my car was doing this (intentional or unintentional), there's about 99.999% I wouldn't notice. This person only noticed because they knew how far they were supposed to be traveling. I doubt most of us know that outside of using our car's odometer.

Do you lease?

Yes.

Then we are different. I lease and I am quite conscious of the mileage because the cost of going over is very high. The story talks about how the owner drives the same commute every day and the odometer increase was noticeable. I would be in the same situation and I'm sure I would notice it.

This is a very strange conversation.

Of course I'm conscious of my mileage. You know how I watch my mileage? My odometer in my car.

I don't bring a separate odometer. I don't pull up Google maps for every trip and then compare it to my odometer.

That's my whole point. Unless you have something consistent to validate it against (this guy apparently traveled the same distance and knew exactly what it should be and then noticed there was a discrepancy), then this would be something very difficult for most to pick up.

You would? Fantastic. I would wager a SIGNIFICANT amount that you are in the vast minority. If this turns out to be true, the fact this is the first we are hearing of it goes along with that.

Kind of the same way I'd have no idea if my speedometer was slightly off. Why? Because I use that speedometer for my speed and don't bring my own. Even though speeding can be costly.

Unless I am not in the vast minority, and this is just a glitch.

You are all over the place with your responses. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say at this point. The initial conversation we were having wasn't about whether or not this was a glitch. You made a statement that "surely leasees pay attention to mileage".

I countered that statement saying that yeah, I pay attention to the mileage by using the odometer in the car. If that odometer was faulty, I wouldn't really know. You then asked if I lease and stated you are conscious of mileage because cost of going over is high. That doesn't have much to do with my original statement, but I explained that yes, I pay attention to the mileage, but again, I pay attention using the odometer in the car. If that odometer is faulty, it would be very unlikely I would notice. I also stated that I think it's unlikely that most people would notice.

What does this being a "glitch" have anything to do with that position? I'm not arguing whether it happened or didn't happen, whether it's intentional or it's not intentional. I'm simply stating that IF it were happening in my car, it's highly unlikely I would have any idea because I don't compare my odometer to any anything else and I doubt most people do. Same way I don't check the temperature of my engine to compare to the temperature gauge, or the speedometer to my speed with a laser gun, or any other piece of equipment that is supposed to be accurate and calibrated. ESPECIALLY an odometer that is heavily regulated and shouldn't be tampered with due to laws and consequences of doing so.

The statement "if it turns out to be true, the fact this is the first we are hearing of it goes along with that" means exactly that. If these odometers have been not reading correctly (glitch, no glitch, intentional, not intentional, don't care), and it hasn't been brought up until recently, and assuming it's been happening a while, means most people didn't notice it was incorrect either.

Now, as for whether or not it's a "glitch", this is actually a class action suit. That means there's got to be at least a few drivers that this is happening to. And, whether intentional or not, glitch or not, that's illegal and it would be a major problem. And this seems to be something that has been brought up before as well.

And, I'll state again, given that over 7 million Teslas have been sold and have been out for about a decade, and this lawsuit is just now being filed by someone noticing this in 2023 tells me this is not something that was obvious to most owners because MOST PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO MILEAGE USING THEIR CAR'S ODOMETER.

You seem intent on arguing with me. Enjoy that.

 

[Keerock]

I clicked on the link in the OP and thought this bump was going to be about what’s happened to the https://whatsnormal.com/ web site.

I sold the domain name about 6 months ago

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Needs an, " I used to, but now I'm old and dgaf about most things" option

 

[Joe Bryant]

This could be one of those progressive insurance commercial turn into your parents things.

 

[brettdj]

Since voting, I have changed cars and routine. I now don't reset the trip in 2 of 3 cars. Only the 50 yr old car gets the trip reset. The fuel gauge is not accurate.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Since voting, I have changed cars and routine. I now don't reset the trip in 2 of 3 cars. Only the 50 yr old car gets the trip reset. The fuel gauge is not accurate.

What's the story on the 50 year old car?

 

[brettdj]

Since voting, I have changed cars and routine. I now don't reset the trip in 2 of 3 cars. Only the 50 yr old car gets the trip reset. The fuel gauge is not accurate.

What's the story on the 50 year old car?

75 280Z, I have owned for 23 years. It sat a little too long with gas in the tank. When getting the tank cleaned, I should have updated the gauge system. So it shows about 3/4 tank when the tank is full. Just updated avatar showing a picture from 20 years ago. still looks the same except it has Z wheels from an 83.