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What's the story on Maroney? (1 Viewer)
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David Yudkin
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I'd call him a good buy low candidate in redraft if you are content on getting 90-100 yards a game with limited receptions or scoring chances. I would guess he'll have 700-800 yards from scrimmage and 4-5 TD from here on out.
Boulder Toads
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Don't know how 'low' I bought, but I think this is a decent time to go after him (last week before WAS would have been better). I just paid with some of my WR depth to acquire Maroney as a RB 2/3 to bridge the gap while Rudi figures out his issues.
I'm realistically expecting ~80yds with a TD every 2-3 games going forward. I do feel like the Pats will try to continue to work him into the mix as they prepare for the playoffs and colder weather, and hope for a consistent 15-18 touches per week ... this is a good thing in that offense, and presents some upside that I hope could add to his ceiling. Barring health concerns, I'm not concerned that Faulk or Morris will cut significantly into his carries such that they drop below that level.
So - my expectations: an effective RB 2/3 with the upside of a solid RB 2. (12 team league, no PPR)
I'm realistically expecting ~80yds with a TD every 2-3 games going forward. I do feel like the Pats will try to continue to work him into the mix as they prepare for the playoffs and colder weather, and hope for a consistent 15-18 touches per week ... this is a good thing in that offense, and presents some upside that I hope could add to his ceiling. Barring health concerns, I'm not concerned that Faulk or Morris will cut significantly into his carries such that they drop below that level.
So - my expectations: an effective RB 2/3 with the upside of a solid RB 2. (12 team league, no PPR)
Does anyone have a feeling for who is the GL back in New England? My leauge is heavy on TD for scoring. I looked through the data from week 8, and I am almost certain it is Maroney
From the Random Shots this week, Maroney was used inside the 5.
• NE RB Maroney 2 yard rush to the 4
• NE RB Maroney 1 yard rush to the 3 (Brady TD)
• NE QB Brady 25 yard pass to RB Maroney to the 5
• NE RB Maroney 3 yard rush to the 2 (Brady to Vrabel TD)
• NE RB Evans rush from the 2 for no gain (Brady TD)
• NE RB Faulk 8 yard rush to the 2 (Brady to Welker TD)
The carries for Evans and Faulk occured in the 4th quarter. Maroney didn't get a carry in the 4th Quarter last week. Looking through the Game logs Maroney did get all of the short yardage carries earlier in the game.
Maroney
Qtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description
1 5:11 0 - 0 2nd-and-1 opp 6 rushed for 2 yards (first down)
1 4:30 0 - 0 2nd-and-4 opp 4 rushed for 1 yards
2 8:51 7 - 0 1st-and-5 opp 5 rushed for 3 yards
3 0:47 31 - 0 3rd-and-1 own 21 rushed for 2 yards (first down)
From the Tom Brady Game Log, here are the other results in 2 or 3rd and Short
1 3:49 0 - 0 3rd-and-3 opp 3 rushed for 3 yards TOUCHDOWN
3 7:19 24 - 0 3rd-and-2 opp 2 rushed for 2 yards TOUCHDOWN
The only time the Patriots were in 3rd and short they ran the ball. Twice with Brady for Touchdowns, and once with Maroney for a 1st down. Imagine how high everyone would be on Maroney if he had gotten those Touchdowns rather than Brady.
New England Leads the league in Rushing attempts in the Red Zone and at the goal line. If this continues through the year, and Maroney gets those carries (at least early in the game), he will be a top 5 back the rest of the way. If they continue to split and job divide, he is about the same in value as McGahee just from his yardage total alone. Either way I think he is the best Buy Low Canidate around right now.
From the Random Shots this week, Maroney was used inside the 5.
• NE RB Maroney 2 yard rush to the 4
• NE RB Maroney 1 yard rush to the 3 (Brady TD)
• NE QB Brady 25 yard pass to RB Maroney to the 5
• NE RB Maroney 3 yard rush to the 2 (Brady to Vrabel TD)
• NE RB Evans rush from the 2 for no gain (Brady TD)
• NE RB Faulk 8 yard rush to the 2 (Brady to Welker TD)
The carries for Evans and Faulk occured in the 4th quarter. Maroney didn't get a carry in the 4th Quarter last week. Looking through the Game logs Maroney did get all of the short yardage carries earlier in the game.
Maroney
Qtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description
1 5:11 0 - 0 2nd-and-1 opp 6 rushed for 2 yards (first down)
1 4:30 0 - 0 2nd-and-4 opp 4 rushed for 1 yards
2 8:51 7 - 0 1st-and-5 opp 5 rushed for 3 yards
3 0:47 31 - 0 3rd-and-1 own 21 rushed for 2 yards (first down)
From the Tom Brady Game Log, here are the other results in 2 or 3rd and Short
1 3:49 0 - 0 3rd-and-3 opp 3 rushed for 3 yards TOUCHDOWN
3 7:19 24 - 0 3rd-and-2 opp 2 rushed for 2 yards TOUCHDOWN
The only time the Patriots were in 3rd and short they ran the ball. Twice with Brady for Touchdowns, and once with Maroney for a 1st down. Imagine how high everyone would be on Maroney if he had gotten those Touchdowns rather than Brady.
New England Leads the league in Rushing attempts in the Red Zone and at the goal line. If this continues through the year, and Maroney gets those carries (at least early in the game), he will be a top 5 back the rest of the way. If they continue to split and job divide, he is about the same in value as McGahee just from his yardage total alone. Either way I think he is the best Buy Low Canidate around right now.
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twitch
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Just temper your expectations. You need to guage his production vs whatever you think it'll take to win your league. But he probably just had his best game of the season. I say that because he actually caught a couple of passes, something he hadnt done all year. And he had over 100 total yds of offense. What is that? 10-13 points? But the simple fact that he has yet to score a single TD in 5 games of action, one of them being a 52-7 blowout, is the one reason I wouldnt bother. He's not the goalline guy, and NE has become more of a passing team in the redzone anyway. The #s bear out that most of the TDs theyve scored rushing the ball have come in the 2nd half of blowouts, and Maroney has either not been playing, is already being rested, or just gets pulled. And Ive gotta think that as the season wears on, Maroney will be getting as much significant 2nd half rest as any RB in the league. Its gotta be a huge 'value' move to be worth it.
i dont think there is a goal line back in New England. It all depends on the situation and who has been on the drive that has taken them down the field thus far. Sometimes Maroney is in there. Sometimes Faulk is in there. Even sometimes Heath Evans is in there. Nobody knows. The good thing is Maroney looked healthy and explosive last week against the Redskins. Sure he didn't score, but he will eventually. If you believe in his talent, go out and get him. I think he's got immense talent, it just remains to be seen if the Pats will continue to throw EVERY TIME they are down at the goal line or if they will eventually give some of the backs a chance to punch it in.
DarabZarrabi
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I dont think Maroney will even be a top 20 back...he doesnt get receptions and the pats are up big after their first three possessions so they just turn to their lesser backs. The Pats are obviously looking SuperBowl or bust and theyre going to pass until they can be stopped. I do not see the situation changing this year, but he should get more carries in the playoffs where he will inevitably get hurt and need offseason surgery again
twitch
Footballguy
Maroney has had his looks in the redzone, and even inside the 5. he's just not very good in there. He's been very good between the 20s when Moss and co. can spread the field. But when the line is stacked and the D condenses, he's nowhere near the same back. Explosive, yes. Great vision and strong between the tackles with 8 men in the box, no.
The Houston Stallions
Footballguy
My gut feeling is he goes off this week. He's seen an increse in workload the last two games I believe. I think the Pats run the ball down Indy's throat and the Colts have to respect the pass!
I remember the 1st game maybe last year or the year before when everyone expected Brady to throw the ball a ton against a team. Maybe it was when Dillon was hurt or something. They came out and rant he ball like 12 straight times and scored a TD ont he opening drive without attempting a pass.
I remember the 1st game maybe last year or the year before when everyone expected Brady to throw the ball a ton against a team. Maybe it was when Dillon was hurt or something. They came out and rant he ball like 12 straight times and scored a TD ont he opening drive without attempting a pass.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Not by a long shot.twitch said:
Every game he has played in has been a blow out. If the colts can keep this game close then maroney won't be benched most of the second half. I think they have been saving him for a better game. My thoughts are that he could get the most carries he has had in this game. It just depends on what he does with them. I am thinking 90 yards and a td.
Fantaholic
Footballguy
I just simply won't believe in him until I see him play in several consecutive games running the football hard for 4 quarters. (please save the "The Patriots don't run in the 4th qtr" comments TIA)
twitch
Footballguy
Sorry, David. I meant to this point in the season. I certainly do hope he has better games ahead. Should have been more clear there.
I think the 0 Rushing TDs in 5 games could be due to sample size and injury. You are correct, all of New Englands Rushing TDs by a Running back have occured in the second half. (Brady had one in the first half last week). I haven't watched enough games or have the numbers to decide if that is fluke or play calling.They are not a passing heavy team in the red zone or at the goal line. New England rushes 56.2% of the time in the Red Zone and 58.3% of the time at the Goal Line. Both of these numbers are higher rushing percentages than the league average. Add to that the frequency in which they are in the Red Zone and at the Goal Line, and they lead the league in Goal Line Rushing attempts and Red Zone Attempts. They are far more effective at Passing for TDs, but the opportunities are there.twitch said:
Heath Evans has 11 GL carries in his carreer with 1 TD. Kevin Faulk has had 4 carries inside the 5 in his entire career, and Eckel has yet to get a carry before the 4th quarter.
I don't think he is Jerome Bettis or Marcus Allen, but I think he is better than their other backs.
I agree, especially as Indy is a dominent Pass defense, and a mediocre rush defense. So in Summary, We have a dominent offense that leads the League in Rushing Attempts in the Red Zone and Goal Line area. We have a back who has been hurt but is getting healthy. He has no real competition on his team for meaningfull carries. I can't see a better but low canidate.
I think its too late to buy low...if you wanted that you should have done it a week or two ago. For anyone like myself that has held Maroney this long...we arent going to let him go cheap now.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Was just about to make this exact post ... unfortunately, as someone else pointed out, the true buy low point was about 1-2 weeks ago. Now I'd imagine frustrated owners who were just teased with a 100+ total yard game will be holding.
I fully expect Maroney to be Top 20 going forward, higher if Morris injury is serious.
I fully expect Maroney to be Top 20 going forward, higher if Morris injury is serious.
Nice freakin picture Nugget. Im actually watching Wyatt Earp on DVD right now. Not as good as Tombstone, but not a bad change up.As for Maroney. I love this kid. Someone in an article last week described him as part battering ram part slasher. I think if his team wasnt so dominate he would be top 5 easily. Now that he is healthy we should start to see his talent. The cream always rises to the top. His value lies in dynasty leagues. He is only 22 years old, and the Pats are not going to be like this every year. Nor will they be as pass happy in cold weather. And with the WRs they have, no team can stack the box, he has holes the size of China to run thru. I actually find it admirable what Belichek is doing. No need to overwork a young kid coming into the league, not many young RBs can handle it. He wont reach full physical maturity for 2 more years.
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twitch
Footballguy
The ironic twist about Maroney, imo, is that the reason I think he's being underutilized by Belichick is because of just how valuable he is to this team. And it sucks for fantasy owners. But I think Maroney is being protected. He's obviously being used in a way that puts his body in harm's way as little as possible. Minimal short yardage action. Minimal goalline work. Never a large volume of carries. Seldom used in the passing game. Faulk is usually in on passing situations, so he's the one typically handling a blitzing backer or chipping a lineman.
NE takes it a game at a time. We hear that alot. But Belichick thinks alot more big picture than he ever leads on. You can only draw conclusions by how they play the game, and how they attack their opponents. But its fairly evident that with all the new additions at WR, and with the little action/reps Moss and Stallworth were able to get in the preseason, he's been pass happy trying to get all of these receivers on the same page with Brady as quickly and effectively as possible. And as the season grinds on, and opposing Ds prepare to defend these guys deep and wide, Belichick will have a healthy and hungry Maroney ready to attack soft front 7s late into the season and in the playoffs. Because its laughable listening to critics cite how 'weak' or average of a running team NE is. Theyve never been a league leader in that area. But theyve always been able to pound the ball when it mattered. Belichick may be despised. And he may be hated. But he is absolutely brilliant. Certainly not a secret.
NE takes it a game at a time. We hear that alot. But Belichick thinks alot more big picture than he ever leads on. You can only draw conclusions by how they play the game, and how they attack their opponents. But its fairly evident that with all the new additions at WR, and with the little action/reps Moss and Stallworth were able to get in the preseason, he's been pass happy trying to get all of these receivers on the same page with Brady as quickly and effectively as possible. And as the season grinds on, and opposing Ds prepare to defend these guys deep and wide, Belichick will have a healthy and hungry Maroney ready to attack soft front 7s late into the season and in the playoffs. Because its laughable listening to critics cite how 'weak' or average of a running team NE is. Theyve never been a league leader in that area. But theyve always been able to pound the ball when it mattered. Belichick may be despised. And he may be hated. But he is absolutely brilliant. Certainly not a secret.
I've liked what Yudkin's been saying all along about Maroney in the second half, so I traded Brees, Chatman and Chad Johnson for Palmer, Maroney and Vincent Jackson
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Hmmm.... think you got hosed on that deal. VJax is hardly worth a roster spot.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
A "racialist"? Nice job representing the haters.I'd get rid of him. I think Belicheck is racialist. He reminds me of the coach from Varsity Blues that let his black RB do all the dirty work only so that his pretty boy QB could get the TD glory
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