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When do we go in and wipe out ISIS? (1 Viewer)

I admit I flip flop on the US should handle ISIS. It is a very difficult problem. I don't agree with everything here, but it is an interesting perspective.

Mexican drug cartels are worse than ISIL

The horrific rampage of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) has captured the world’s attention. Many Western commentators have characterized ISIL’s crimes as unique, no longer practiced anywhere else in the civilized world. They argue that the group’s barbarism is intrinsically Islamic, a product of the aggressive and archaic worldview that dominates the Muslim world. The ignorance of these claims is stunning.

While there are other organized groups whose depravity and threat to the United States far surpasses that of ISIL, none has engendered the same kind of collective indignation and hysteria. This raises a question: Are Americans primarily concerned with ISIL’s atrocities or with the fact that Muslims are committing these crimes?

For example, even as the U.S. media and policymakers radically inflate ISIL’s threat to the Middle East and United States, most Americans appear to be unaware of the scale of the atrocities committed by Mexican drug cartels and the threat they pose to the United States.


Cartels versus ISIL
A recent United Nations report estimated nearly 9,000 civilians have been killed and 17,386 wounded in Iraq in 2014, more than half since ISIL fighters seized large parts on northern Iraq in June. It is likely that the group is responsible another several thousand deaths in Syria. To be sure, these numbers are staggering. But in 2013 drug cartels murdered more than 16,000 people in Mexico alone, and another 60,000 from 2006 to 2012 — a rate of more than one killing every half hour for the last seven years. What is worse, these are estimates from the Mexican government, which is known to deflate the actual death toll by about 50 percent.

Statistics alone do not convey the depravity and threat of the cartels. They carry out hundreds of beheadings every year. In addition to decapitations, the cartels are known to dismember and otherwise mutilate the corpses of their victims — displaying piles of bodies prominently in towns to terrorize the public into compliance. They routinely target women and children to further intimidate communities. Like ISIL, the cartels use social media to post graphic images of their atrocious crimes.

The narcos also recruit child soldiers, molding boys as young as 11 into assassins or sending them on suicide missions during armed confrontations with Mexico’s army. They kidnap tens of thousands of children every year to use as drug mules or prostitutes or to simply kill and harvest their organs for sale on the black market. Those who dare to call for reforms often end up dead. In September, with the apparent assistance of local police, cartels kidnapped and massacred 43 students at a teaching college near the Mexican town of Iguala in response to student protests.

A search in the area for the students has uncovered a number of mass graves containing mutilated bodies burned almost beyond recognition, but none of the remains have been confirmed to be of the students.
While the Islamic militants have killed a handful of journalists, the cartels murdered as many as 57 since 2006 for reporting on cartel crimes or exposing government complicity with the criminals. Many of Mexico’s media have been effectively silenced by intimidation or bribes. These censorship activities extend beyond professional media, with narcos tracking down and murdering ordinary citizens who criticize them on the Internet, leaving their naked and disemboweled corpses hanging in public squares. Yet American intellectuals such as Sam Harris appear to be more outraged when Muslims protest or issue threats in response to blasphemous or anti-Muslim hate speech than when cartels murder dozens of journalists and systematically co-opt an entire country’s media.

Similarly, Westerners across various political spectrums were outraged when ISIL seized 1,500 Yazidi women, committing sexual violence against the captives and using them as slaves. Here again, the cartels’ capture and trafficking of women dwarfs ISIL’s crimes. Narcos hold tens of thousands of Mexican citizens as slaves for their various enterprises and systematically use rape as a weapon of war.

U.S. media have especially hyped ISIL’s violence against Americans. This summer ISIL beheaded two Americans and has warned about executing a third; additionally, one U.S. Marine has died in efforts to combat the group. By contrast, the cartels killed 293 Americans in Mexico from 2007 to 2010 and have repeatedly attacked U.S. consulates in Mexico. While ISIL’s beheadings are no doubt outrageous, the cartels tortured, dismembered and then cooked one of the Americans they captured — possibly eating him or feeding him to dogs.
The US government cannot formulate an effective response to the narcos’ severe threats because the American public is far too busy disparaging Islam while the US military kills Arabs and Muslims abroad.

The cartels’ atrocities are not restricted to the Mexican side of the border. From 2006 to 2010 as many as 5,700 Americans were killed in the U.S. by cartel-fueled drug violence. By contrast, 2,937 people were killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Over the last decade, some 2,349 Americans were killed in Afghanistan, and 4,487 Americans died in Iraq. In four years the cartels have managed to cause the deaths of more Americans than during 9/11 or either of those wars.

Barack Obama’s administration claims ISIL poses a severe threat to U.S. interests and national security. However, the militants were primarily concerned with seizing and holding territory in Iraq and Syria until the U.S. began targeting them. Even now, while they have called for lone wolves to carry out attacks on targets in the United States, so far those arrested in connection to ISIL have been trying to go and fight abroad rather than plotting domestic attacks. To the extent ISIL wants to kill Americans, its primary tactic has been to try to lure U.S. troops to its turf by publicly executing citizens they already hold hostage. In fact, several U.S. intelligence officials have asserted that ISIL poses no credible threat to the United States homeland. However, the same cannot be said of the cartels.

Narcos have infiltrated at least 3,000 U.S. cities and are recruiting many Americans, including U.S. troops and law enforcement officers, to their organizations. They have an increasingly sophisticated and robust foundation in the U.S., with Mexican cartels now controlling more than 80 percent of the illicit drug trade in the United States and their top agents deployed to virtually every major metropolitan area. There are no realistic assessments indicating that ISIL could achieve a similar level of penetration in the United States.

Explaining the dissonance

It is clear that the anti-ISIL campaign is not driven by the group’s relative threat to the United States or the scale or inhumane nature of their atrocities. If these were the primary considerations, the public would be far more terrified of and outraged by the narcos. Perhaps the U.S. would be mobilizing 50 nations to purge Mexico’s Sinaloa cartel rather than shielding it from prosecution, helping it polish off its rivals or even move drugs into the United States.

Some may argue that despite the asymmetries, the cartels are less of a threat than ISIL because ISIL is unified around an ideology, which is antithetical to the prevailing international order, while the cartels are concerned primarily with money. This is not true.

A good deal of the cartels’ violence is perpetrated ritualistically as part of their religion, which is centered, quite literally, on the worship of death. The narcos build and support churches all across Mexico to perpetuate their eschatology. One of the cartels, the Knights Templar (whose name evokes religious warfare), even boasts about its leader’s death and resurrection. When cartel members are killed, they are buried in lavish mausoleums, regarded as martyrs and commemorated in popular songs glorifying their exploits in all their brutality. Many of their members view the “martyrs” as heroes who died resisting an international order that exploits Latin America and fighting the feckless governments that enable it. The cartels see their role as compensating for state failures in governance. The narco gospel, which derives from Catholicism, is swiftly making inroads in the United States and Central America. In short, the cartels’ ideological disposition is no less pronounced than ISIL’s, if not worse.

Unfortunately, the U.S. government cannot formulate an effective response to these much more severe threats because the American public is far too busy disparaging Islam while the U.S. military kills Arabs and Muslims abroad. One thing is certain: America’s obsession with ISIL is fueled by Islamophobia rather than any empirical realities.
 
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Didn't find this story posted, but of course it could be and I've become a Honda yet again...

So the 3 missing CO teenage girls were detained in Germany. One said they were going to Turkey to study. Um. Smells like they were going to Turkey to possibly to get to Syria as they are reported to be extremists in their beliefs.

How on earth does 15 and 16 year old kids get a visa to get overseas if no one was involved on the other end as they are making it sound?

http://www.voanews.com/content/three-missing-us-girls-detained-in-germany/2489077.html
Shoulda just let them go, track them, and drop a bomb when they get to their destination. Hopefully right when one of them is posting an "Hiiii just arrived at the ISIS camp!!" selfie on FB.
They probably would have ended up welcoming it. I read an article somewhere just within the past week about some girls from Europe that ran off and joined ISIS. The one escaped, but her best friend was taken to another country and sold as a sex slave.

 
A good deal of the cartels’ violence is perpetrated ritualistically as part of their religion, which is centered, quite literally, on the worship of death. The narcos build and support churches all across Mexico to perpetuate their eschatology. One of the cartels, the Knights Templar (whose name evokes religious warfare), even boasts about its leader’s death and resurrection. When cartel members are killed, they are buried in lavish mausoleums, regarded as martyrs and commemorated in popular songs glorifying their exploits in all their brutality. Many of their members view the “martyrs” as heroes who died resisting an international order that exploits Latin America and fighting the feckless governments that enable it. The cartels see their role as compensating for state failures in governance. The narco gospel, which derives from Catholicism, is swiftly making inroads in the United States and Central America. In short, the cartels’ ideological disposition is no less pronounced than ISIL’s, if not worse.
The difference is ISIS is using the same exact book as other Muslims, while the cartels are manufacturing a religion separate from Catholicism.

Americans understand killing people because you want something, but they have a hard time with using religion as the excuse.

 
A good deal of the cartels’ violence is perpetrated ritualistically as part of their religion, which is centered, quite literally, on the worship of death. The narcos build and support churches all across Mexico to perpetuate their eschatology. One of the cartels, the Knights Templar (whose name evokes religious warfare), even boasts about its leader’s death and resurrection. When cartel members are killed, they are buried in lavish mausoleums, regarded as martyrs and commemorated in popular songs glorifying their exploits in all their brutality. Many of their members view the “martyrs” as heroes who died resisting an international order that exploits Latin America and fighting the feckless governments that enable it. The cartels see their role as compensating for state failures in governance. The narco gospel, which derives from Catholicism, is swiftly making inroads in the United States and Central America. In short, the cartels’ ideological disposition is no less pronounced than ISIL’s, if not worse.
The difference is ISIS is using the same exact book as other Muslims, while the cartels are manufacturing a religion separate from Catholicism.

Americans understand killing people because you want something, but they have a hard time with using religion as the excuse.
So killing people for drugs Americans understand and accept in some ways, but killing them in the name of religion, Americans don't? I think there's a lot of truth in that.

 
Didn't find this story posted, but of course it could be and I've become a Honda yet again...

So the 3 missing CO teenage girls were detained in Germany. One said they were going to Turkey to study. Um. Smells like they were going to Turkey to possibly to get to Syria as they are reported to be extremists in their beliefs.

How on earth does 15 and 16 year old kids get a visa to get overseas if no one was involved on the other end as they are making it sound?

http://www.voanews.com/content/three-missing-us-girls-detained-in-germany/2489077.html
Shoulda just let them go, track them, and drop a bomb when they get to their destination. Hopefully right when one of them is posting an "Hiiii just arrived at the ISIS camp!!" selfie on FB.
They probably would have ended up welcoming it. I read an article somewhere just within the past week about some girls from Europe that ran off and joined ISIS. The one escaped, but her best friend was taken to another country and sold as a sex slave.
LOL owned.
 
Didn't find this story posted, but of course it could be and I've become a Honda yet again...

So the 3 missing CO teenage girls were detained in Germany. One said they were going to Turkey to study. Um. Smells like they were going to Turkey to possibly to get to Syria as they are reported to be extremists in their beliefs.

How on earth does 15 and 16 year old kids get a visa to get overseas if no one was involved on the other end as they are making it sound?

http://www.voanews.com/content/three-missing-us-girls-detained-in-germany/2489077.html
Shoulda just let them go, track them, and drop a bomb when they get to their destination. Hopefully right when one of them is posting an "Hiiii just arrived at the ISIS camp!!" selfie on FB.
They probably would have ended up welcoming it. I read an article somewhere just within the past week about some girls from Europe that ran off and joined ISIS. The one escaped, but her best friend was taken to another country and sold as a sex slave.
LOL owned.
Yeah, these girls obviously don't know what was before them if they made it to Syria. They probably thought they'd marry one of those "good" men and live in a big house being a good wife. No way would the husband (and you know they'd be married off the bat) would use her or endanger her because she is an extremist too..... :excited: :rolleyes:

 
A good deal of the cartels violence is perpetrated ritualistically as part of their religion, which is centered, quite literally, on the worship of death. The narcos build and support churches all across Mexico to perpetuate their eschatology. One of the cartels, the Knights Templar (whose name evokes religious warfare), even boasts about its leaders death and resurrection. When cartel members are killed, they are buried in lavish mausoleums, regarded as martyrs and commemorated in popular songs glorifying their exploits in all their brutality. Many of their members view the martyrs as heroes who died resisting an international order that exploits Latin America and fighting the feckless governments that enable it. The cartels see their role as compensating for state failures in governance. The narco gospel, which derives from Catholicism, is swiftly making inroads in the United States and Central America. In short, the cartels ideological disposition is no less pronounced than ISILs, if not worse.
The difference is ISIS is using the same exact book as other Muslims, while the cartels are manufacturing a religion separate from Catholicism.

Americans understand killing people because you want something, but they have a hard time with using religion as the excuse.
So killing people for drugs Americans understand and accept in some ways, but killing them in the name of religion, Americans don't? I think there's a lot of truth in that.
It's all the same thing. Power, money, control. Religion, drugs, or politics is all social wrapping.

 
Didn't find this story posted, but of course it could be and I've become a Honda yet again...

So the 3 missing CO teenage girls were detained in Germany. One said they were going to Turkey to study. Um. Smells like they were going to Turkey to possibly to get to Syria as they are reported to be extremists in their beliefs.

How on earth does 15 and 16 year old kids get a visa to get overseas if no one was involved on the other end as they are making it sound?

http://www.voanews.com/content/three-missing-us-girls-detained-in-germany/2489077.html
Germany doesnt require a visa for US citizens.
But Turkey does? One girl said destination was Turkey to study so apparently that was their next stop, and possibly on to Syria.
US citizens can purchase a 90 day Turkish tourist visa at a kiosk for $30 upon arrival in Turkey. I don't think visa is the controls that will stop people from entering a country, unless it is a country like China.

I'm not familiar with these girls or their story, but if they were trying to go to Syria, it seems the system worked. They made it only as far as Germany. Maybe there is more to the story that I am missing.
I first heard of this today on CNN. Now we have a legendary WA post editor who died as breaking news so not sure if it will be repeated again as it normally would be.

Maybe now not only will there be controls for folks entering the US originating from an Ebola stricken country, but it will be required to have parents escort teens to the airport for under 18 year olds (ie, not adults yet) so no more or much less sneaking out of the country occurs for people who are at least not of adult age.

 
Didn't find this story posted, but of course it could be and I've become a Honda yet again...

So the 3 missing CO teenage girls were detained in Germany. One said they were going to Turkey to study. Um. Smells like they were going to Turkey to possibly to get to Syria as they are reported to be extremists in their beliefs.

How on earth does 15 and 16 year old kids get a visa to get overseas if no one was involved on the other end as they are making it sound?

http://www.voanews.com/content/three-missing-us-girls-detained-in-germany/2489077.html
Germany doesnt require a visa for US citizens.
But Turkey does? One girl said destination was Turkey to study so apparently that was their next stop, and possibly on to Syria.
US citizens can purchase a 90 day Turkish tourist visa at a kiosk for $30 upon arrival in Turkey. I don't think visa is the controls that will stop people from entering a country, unless it is a country like China.

I'm not familiar with these girls or their story, but if they were trying to go to Syria, it seems the system worked. They made it only as far as Germany. Maybe there is more to the story that I am missing.
I first heard of this today on CNN. Now we have a legendary WA post editor who died as breaking news so not sure if it will be repeated again as it normally would be.

Maybe now not only will there be controls for folks entering the US originating from an Ebola stricken country, but it will be required to have parents escort teens to the airport for under 18 year olds (ie, not adults yet) so no more or much less sneaking out of the country occurs for people who are at least not of adult age.
Personally, I don't think its much of a story. Apparently they didn't sneak out of the country. They had valid passports and were arrested when they landed and sent home. :shrug:

 
Didn't find this story posted, but of course it could be and I've become a Honda yet again...

So the 3 missing CO teenage girls were detained in Germany. One said they were going to Turkey to study. Um. Smells like they were going to Turkey to possibly to get to Syria as they are reported to be extremists in their beliefs.

How on earth does 15 and 16 year old kids get a visa to get overseas if no one was involved on the other end as they are making it sound?

http://www.voanews.com/content/three-missing-us-girls-detained-in-germany/2489077.html
Germany doesnt require a visa for US citizens.
But Turkey does? One girl said destination was Turkey to study so apparently that was their next stop, and possibly on to Syria.
US citizens can purchase a 90 day Turkish tourist visa at a kiosk for $30 upon arrival in Turkey. I don't think visa is the controls that will stop people from entering a country, unless it is a country like China.

I'm not familiar with these girls or their story, but if they were trying to go to Syria, it seems the system worked. They made it only as far as Germany. Maybe there is more to the story that I am missing.
I first heard of this today on CNN. Now we have a legendary WA post editor who died as breaking news so not sure if it will be repeated again as it normally would be.

Maybe now not only will there be controls for folks entering the US originating from an Ebola stricken country, but it will be required to have parents escort teens to the airport for under 18 year olds (ie, not adults yet) so no more or much less sneaking out of the country occurs for people who are at least not of adult age.
Personally, I don't think its much of a story. Apparently they didn't sneak out of the country. They had valid passports and were arrested when they landed and sent home. :shrug:
I mean sneak out in terms of the parents having no clue where they were. They're the ones who contacted the authorities. What a surprise to find out your kid is found in Germany heading to Turkey to "study."...

 
TBH, from a security standpoint, I'm less thrilled with these morons being sent back here in the States rather than being in Syria. If they're here, we have to worry about them doing something stupid and hurting/killing a bunch of US citizens. If they're over there, they're probably going to either be sex slaves or end up dead fairly quickly.

For their sake, they're lucky they were caught. For everyone here's sake, it actually puts us more at risk.

 
TBH, from a security standpoint, I'm less thrilled with these morons being sent back here in the States rather than being in Syria. If they're here, we have to worry about them doing something stupid and hurting/killing a bunch of US citizens. If they're over there, they're probably going to either be sex slaves or end up dead fairly quickly.

For their sake, they're lucky they were caught. For everyone here's sake, it actually puts us more at risk.
Apparently they didn't break any laws. The FBI said they aren't being charged. Previously others who have attempted to join ISIS or those who have returned from fighting in Syria have been charged.

 
TBH, from a security standpoint, I'm less thrilled with these morons being sent back here in the States rather than being in Syria. If they're here, we have to worry about them doing something stupid and hurting/killing a bunch of US citizens. If they're over there, they're probably going to either be sex slaves or end up dead fairly quickly.

For their sake, they're lucky they were caught. For everyone here's sake, it actually puts us more at risk.
Apparently they didn't break any laws. The FBI said they aren't being charged. Previously others who have attempted to join ISIS or those who have returned from fighting in Syria have been charged.
I'm guessing that they're going easy on them because they are teen girls. I hope that it doesn't turn out to be a mistake.

 
A good deal of the cartels violence is perpetrated ritualistically as part of their religion, which is centered, quite literally, on the worship of death. The narcos build and support churches all across Mexico to perpetuate their eschatology. One of the cartels, the Knights Templar (whose name evokes religious warfare), even boasts about its leaders death and resurrection. When cartel members are killed, they are buried in lavish mausoleums, regarded as martyrs and commemorated in popular songs glorifying their exploits in all their brutality. Many of their members view the martyrs as heroes who died resisting an international order that exploits Latin America and fighting the feckless governments that enable it. The cartels see their role as compensating for state failures in governance. The narco gospel, which derives from Catholicism, is swiftly making inroads in the United States and Central America. In short, the cartels ideological disposition is no less pronounced than ISILs, if not worse.
The difference is ISIS is using the same exact book as other Muslims, while the cartels are manufacturing a religion separate from Catholicism.

Americans understand killing people because you want something, but they have a hard time with using religion as the excuse.
So killing people for drugs Americans understand and accept in some ways, but killing them in the name of religion, Americans don't? I think there's a lot of truth in that.
It's all the same thing. Power, money, control. Religion, drugs, or politics is all social wrapping.
:goodposting: Exactly

 
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-on-syria/5410130

The Secret Stupid Saudi-US Deal on Syria. Oil Gas Pipeline War The Kerry-Abdullah Secret DealThe details are emerging of a new secret and quite stupid Saudi-US deal on Syria and the so-called IS. It involves oil and gas control of the entire region and the weakening of Russia and Iran by Saudi Arabian flooding the world market with cheap oil. Details were concluded in the September meeting by US Secretary of State John Kerry and the Saudi King. The unintended consequence will be to push Russia even faster to turn east to China and Eurasia.

One of the weirdest anomalies of the recent NATO bombing campaign, allegedly against the ISIS or IS or ISIL or Daash, depending on your preference, is the fact that with major war raging in the world’s richest oil region, the price of crude oil has been dropping, dramatically so. Since June when ISIS suddenly captured the oil-rich region of Iraq around Mosul and Kirkuk, the benchmark Brent price of crude oil dropped some 20% from $112 to about $88. World daily demand for oil has not dropped by 20% however. China oil demand has not fallen 20% nor has US domestic shale oil stock risen by 21%.

What has happened is that the long-time US ally inside OPEC, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has been flooding the market with deep discounted oil, triggering a price war within OPEC, with Iran following suit and panic selling short in oil futures markets. The Saudis are targeting sales to Asia for the discounts and in particular, its major Asian customer, China where it is reportedly offering its crude for a mere $50 to $60 a barrel rather than the earlier price of around $100. [1] That Saudi financial discounting operation in turn is by all appearance being coordinated with a US Treasury financial warfare operation, via its Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, in cooperation with a handful of inside players on Wall Street who control oil derivatives trading. The result is a market panic that is gaining momentum daily. China is quite happy to buy the cheap oil, but her close allies, Russia and Iran, are being hit severely.

The deal

According to Rashid Abanmy, President of the Riyadh-based Saudi Arabia Oil Policies and Strategic Expectations Center, the dramatic price collapse is being deliberately caused by the Saudis, OPEC’s largest producer. The public reason claimed is to gain new markets in a global market of weakening oil demand. The real reason, according to Abanmy, is to put pressure on Iran on her nuclear program, and on Russia to end her support for Bashar al-Assad in Syria.[2]

When combined with the financial losses of Russian state natural gas sales to Ukraine and prospects of a US-instigated cutoff of the transit of Russian gas to the huge EU market this winter as EU stockpiles become low, the pressure on oil prices hits Moscow doubly. More than 50% of Russian state revenue comes from its export sales of oil and gas.

The US-Saudi oil price manipulation is aimed at destabilizing several strong opponents of US globalist policies. Targets include Iran and Syria, both allies of Russia in opposing a US sole Superpower. The principal target, however, is Putin’s Russia, the single greatest threat today to that Superpower hegemony. The strategy is similar to what the US did with Saudi Arabia in 1986 when they flooded the world with Saudi oil, collapsing the price to below $10 a barrel and destroying the economy of then-Soviet ally, Saddam Hussein in Iraq and, ultimately, of the Soviet economy, paving the way for the fall of the Soviet Union. Today, the hope is that a collapse of Russian oil revenues, combined with select pin-##### sanctions designed by the US Treasury’s Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence will dramatically weaken Putin’s enormous domestic support and create conditions for his ultimate overthrow. It is doomed to fail for many reasons, not the least, because Putin’s Russia has taken major strategic steps together with China and other nations to lessen its dependence on the West. In fact the oil weapon is accelerating recent Russian moves to focus its economic power on national interests and lessen dependence on the Dollar system. If the dollar ceases being the currency of world trade, especially oil trade, the US Treasury faces financial catastrophe. For this reason, I call the Kerry-Abdullah oil war a very stupid tactic.

The Kerry-Abdullah secret deal

On September 11, US Secretary of State Kerry met Saudi King Abdullah at his palace on the Red Sea. The King invited former head of Saudi intelligence, Prince Bandar to attend. There a deal was hammered out which saw Saudi support for the Syrian airstrikes against ISIS on condition Washington backed the Saudis in toppling Assad, a firm ally of Russia and de facto of Iran and an obstacle to Saudi and UAE plans to control the emerging EU natural gas market and destroy Russia’s lucrative EU trade. A report in the Wall Street Journal noted there had been “months of behind-the-scenes work by the US and Arab leaders, who agreed on the need to cooperate against Islamic State, but not how or when. The process gave the Saudis leverage to extract a fresh US commitment to beef up training for rebels fighting Mr. Assad, whose demise the Saudis still see as a top priority.” [3]

For the Saudis the war is between two competing age-old vectors of Islam. Saudi Arabia, home to the sacred cities of Mecca and Medina, claims de facto supremacy in the Islamic world of Sunni Islam. The Saudi Sunni form is ultra-conservative Wahhabism, named for an 18th Century Bedouin Islamic fundamentalist or Salafist named Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahha. The Taliban derive from Wahhabism with the aid of Saudi-financed religious instruction. The Gulf Emirates and Kuwait also adhere to the Sunni Wahhabism of the Saudis, as does the Emir of Qatar. Iran on the other hand historically is the heart of the smaller branch of Islam, the Shi’ite. Iraq’s population is some 61% majority Shi’ite. Syria’s President, Bashar al-Assad is a member of a satellite of the Shi’ite branch known as Alawite. Some 23% of Turkey is also Alawite Muslim. To complicate the picture more, across a bridge from Saudi Arabia sits the tiny island country, Bahrain where as many as 75% of the population is Shi’ite but the ruling Al-Khalifa family is Sunni and firmly tied to Saudi Arabia. Moreover, the richest Saudi oil region is dominated by Shi’ite Muslims who work the oil installations of Ras Tanura.

An oil and gas pipeline war

These historic fault lines inside Islam which lay dormant, were brought into a state of open warfare with the launching of the US State Department and CIA’s Islamic Holy War, otherwise known as the Arab Spring. Washington neo-conservatives embedded inside the Obama Administration in a form of “Deep State” secret network, and their allied media such as the Washington Post, advocated US covert backing of a pet CIA project known as the Muslim Brotherhood. As I detail in my most recent book, Americas’ Heiliger Krieg, the CIA had cultivated ties to the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood death cult since the early 1950’s.

Now if we map the resources of known natural gas reserves in the entire Persian Gulf region, the motives of the Saudi-led Qatar and UAE in financing with billions of dollars the opposition to Assad, including the Sunni ISIS, becomes clearer. Natural gas has become the favored “clean energy” source for the 21st Century and the EU is the world’s largest growth market for gas, a major reason Washington wants to break the Gazprom-EU supply dependency to weaken Russia and keep control over the EU via loyal proxies like Qatar.

The world’s largest known natural gas reservoir sits in the middle of the Persian Gulf straddling part in the territorial waters of Qatar and part in Iran. The Iranian part is called North Pars. In 2006 China’s state-owned CNOOC signed an agreement with Iran to develop North Pars and build LNG infrastructure to bring the gas to China.[4]

The Qatar side of the Persian Gulf, called North Field, contains the world’s third largest known natural gas reserves behind Russia and Iran.

In July 2011, the governments of Syria, Iran and Iraq signed an historic gas pipeline energy agreement which went largely unnoticed in the midst of the NATO-Saudi-Qatari war to remove Assad. The pipeline, envisioned to cost $10 billion and take three years to complete, would run from the Iranian Port Assalouyeh near the South Pars gas field in the Persian Gulf, to Damascus in Syria via Iraq territory. The agreement would make Syria the center of assembly and production in conjunction with the reserves of Lebanon. This is a geopolitically strategic space that geographically opens for the first time, extending from Iran to Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.[5] As Asia Times correspondent Pepe Escobar put it, “The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline – if it’s ever built – would solidify a predominantly Shi’ite axis through an economic, steel umbilical cord.”[6]

Shortly after signing with Iran and Iraq, on August 16, 2011, Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian Ministry of Oil announced the discovery of a gas well in the Area of Qarah in the Central Region of Syria near Homs. Gazprom, with Assad in power, would be a major investor or operator of the new gas fields in Syria. [7] Iran ultimately plans to extend the pipeline from Damascus to Lebanon’s Mediterranean port where it would be delivered to the huge EU market. Syria would buy Iranian gas along with a current Iraqi agreement to buy Iranian gas from Iran’s part of South Pars field.[8]

Qatar, today the world’s largest exporter of LNG, largely to Asia, wants the same EU market that Iran and Syria eye. For that, they would build pipelines to the Mediterranean. Here is where getting rid of the pro-Iran Assad is essential. In 2009 Qatar approached Bashar al-Assad to propose construction of a gas pipeline from Qatar’s north Field through Syria on to Turkey and to the EU. Assad refused, citing Syria’s long friendly relations with Russia and Gazprom. That refusal combined with the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline agreement in 2011 ignited the full-scale Saudi and Qatari assault on Assad’s power, financing al Qaeda terrorists, recruits of Jihadist fanatics willing to kill Alawite and Shi’ite “infidels” for $100 a month and a Kalishnikov. The Washington neo-conservative warhawks in and around the Obama White House, along with their allies in the right-wing Netanyahu government, were cheering from the bleachers as Syria went up in flames after spring 2011.

Today the US-backed wars in Ukraine and in Syria are but two fronts in the same strategic war to cripple Russia and China and to rupture any Eurasian counter-pole to a US-controlled New World Order. In each, control of energy pipelines, this time primarily of natural gas pipelines—from Russia to the EU via Ukraine and from Iran and Syria to the EU via Syria—is the strategic goal. The true aim of the US and Israel backed ISIS is to give the pretext for bombing Assad’s vital grain silos and oil refineries to cripple the economy in preparation for a “Ghaddafi-”style elimination of Russia and China and Iran-ally Bashar al-Assad.

In a narrow sense, as Washington neo-conservatives see it, who controls Syria could control the Middle East. And from Syria, gateway to Asia, he will hold the key to Russia House, as well as that of China via the Silk Road.

Religious wars have historically been the most savage of all wars and this one is no exception, especially when trillions of dollars in oil and gas revenues are at stake. Why is the secret Kerry-Abdullah deal on Syria reached on September 11 stupid? Because the brilliant tacticians in Washington and Riyadh and Doha and to an extent in Ankara are unable to look at the interconnectedness of all the dis-order and destruction they foment, to look beyond their visions of control of the oil and gas flows as the basis of their illegitimate power. They are planting the seeds of their own destruction in the end.

 
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-on-syria/5410130

The Secret Stupid Saudi-US Deal on Syria. Oil Gas Pipeline War The Kerry-Abdullah Secret DealThe details are emerging of a new secret and quite stupid Saudi-US deal on Syria and the so-called IS. It involves oil and gas control of the entire region and the weakening of Russia and Iran by Saudi Arabian flooding the world market with cheap oil. Details were concluded in the September meeting by US Secretary of State John Kerry and the Saudi King. The unintended consequence will be to push Russia even faster to turn east to China and Eurasia.

One of the weirdest anomalies of the recent NATO bombing campaign, allegedly against the ISIS or IS or ISIL or Daash, depending on your preference, is the fact that with major war raging in the world’s richest oil region, the price of crude oil has been dropping, dramatically so. Since June when ISIS suddenly captured the oil-rich region of Iraq around Mosul and Kirkuk, the benchmark Brent price of crude oil dropped some 20% from $112 to about $88. World daily demand for oil has not dropped by 20% however. China oil demand has not fallen 20% nor has US domestic shale oil stock risen by 21%.

What has happened is that the long-time US ally inside OPEC, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has been flooding the market with deep discounted oil, triggering a price war within OPEC, with Iran following suit and panic selling short in oil futures markets. The Saudis are targeting sales to Asia for the discounts and in particular, its major Asian customer, China where it is reportedly offering its crude for a mere $50 to $60 a barrel rather than the earlier price of around $100. [1] That Saudi financial discounting operation in turn is by all appearance being coordinated with a US Treasury financial warfare operation, via its Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, in cooperation with a handful of inside players on Wall Street who control oil derivatives trading. The result is a market panic that is gaining momentum daily. China is quite happy to buy the cheap oil, but her close allies, Russia and Iran, are being hit severely.

The deal

According to Rashid Abanmy, President of the Riyadh-based Saudi Arabia Oil Policies and Strategic Expectations Center, the dramatic price collapse is being deliberately caused by the Saudis, OPEC’s largest producer. The public reason claimed is to gain new markets in a global market of weakening oil demand. The real reason, according to Abanmy, is to put pressure on Iran on her nuclear program, and on Russia to end her support for Bashar al-Assad in Syria.[2]

When combined with the financial losses of Russian state natural gas sales to Ukraine and prospects of a US-instigated cutoff of the transit of Russian gas to the huge EU market this winter as EU stockpiles become low, the pressure on oil prices hits Moscow doubly. More than 50% of Russian state revenue comes from its export sales of oil and gas.

The US-Saudi oil price manipulation is aimed at destabilizing several strong opponents of US globalist policies. Targets include Iran and Syria, both allies of Russia in opposing a US sole Superpower. The principal target, however, is Putin’s Russia, the single greatest threat today to that Superpower hegemony. The strategy is similar to what the US did with Saudi Arabia in 1986 when they flooded the world with Saudi oil, collapsing the price to below $10 a barrel and destroying the economy of then-Soviet ally, Saddam Hussein in Iraq and, ultimately, of the Soviet economy, paving the way for the fall of the Soviet Union. Today, the hope is that a collapse of Russian oil revenues, combined with select pin-##### sanctions designed by the US Treasury’s Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence will dramatically weaken Putin’s enormous domestic support and create conditions for his ultimate overthrow. It is doomed to fail for many reasons, not the least, because Putin’s Russia has taken major strategic steps together with China and other nations to lessen its dependence on the West. In fact the oil weapon is accelerating recent Russian moves to focus its economic power on national interests and lessen dependence on the Dollar system. If the dollar ceases being the currency of world trade, especially oil trade, the US Treasury faces financial catastrophe. For this reason, I call the Kerry-Abdullah oil war a very stupid tactic.

The Kerry-Abdullah secret deal

On September 11, US Secretary of State Kerry met Saudi King Abdullah at his palace on the Red Sea. The King invited former head of Saudi intelligence, Prince Bandar to attend. There a deal was hammered out which saw Saudi support for the Syrian airstrikes against ISIS on condition Washington backed the Saudis in toppling Assad, a firm ally of Russia and de facto of Iran and an obstacle to Saudi and UAE plans to control the emerging EU natural gas market and destroy Russia’s lucrative EU trade. A report in the Wall Street Journal noted there had been “months of behind-the-scenes work by the US and Arab leaders, who agreed on the need to cooperate against Islamic State, but not how or when. The process gave the Saudis leverage to extract a fresh US commitment to beef up training for rebels fighting Mr. Assad, whose demise the Saudis still see as a top priority.” [3]

For the Saudis the war is between two competing age-old vectors of Islam. Saudi Arabia, home to the sacred cities of Mecca and Medina, claims de facto supremacy in the Islamic world of Sunni Islam. The Saudi Sunni form is ultra-conservative Wahhabism, named for an 18th Century Bedouin Islamic fundamentalist or Salafist named Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahha. The Taliban derive from Wahhabism with the aid of Saudi-financed religious instruction. The Gulf Emirates and Kuwait also adhere to the Sunni Wahhabism of the Saudis, as does the Emir of Qatar. Iran on the other hand historically is the heart of the smaller branch of Islam, the Shi’ite. Iraq’s population is some 61% majority Shi’ite. Syria’s President, Bashar al-Assad is a member of a satellite of the Shi’ite branch known as Alawite. Some 23% of Turkey is also Alawite Muslim. To complicate the picture more, across a bridge from Saudi Arabia sits the tiny island country, Bahrain where as many as 75% of the population is Shi’ite but the ruling Al-Khalifa family is Sunni and firmly tied to Saudi Arabia. Moreover, the richest Saudi oil region is dominated by Shi’ite Muslims who work the oil installations of Ras Tanura.

An oil and gas pipeline war

These historic fault lines inside Islam which lay dormant, were brought into a state of open warfare with the launching of the US State Department and CIA’s Islamic Holy War, otherwise known as the Arab Spring. Washington neo-conservatives embedded inside the Obama Administration in a form of “Deep State” secret network, and their allied media such as the Washington Post, advocated US covert backing of a pet CIA project known as the Muslim Brotherhood. As I detail in my most recent book, Americas’ Heiliger Krieg, the CIA had cultivated ties to the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood death cult since the early 1950’s.

Now if we map the resources of known natural gas reserves in the entire Persian Gulf region, the motives of the Saudi-led Qatar and UAE in financing with billions of dollars the opposition to Assad, including the Sunni ISIS, becomes clearer. Natural gas has become the favored “clean energy” source for the 21st Century and the EU is the world’s largest growth market for gas, a major reason Washington wants to break the Gazprom-EU supply dependency to weaken Russia and keep control over the EU via loyal proxies like Qatar.

The world’s largest known natural gas reservoir sits in the middle of the Persian Gulf straddling part in the territorial waters of Qatar and part in Iran. The Iranian part is called North Pars. In 2006 China’s state-owned CNOOC signed an agreement with Iran to develop North Pars and build LNG infrastructure to bring the gas to China.[4]

The Qatar side of the Persian Gulf, called North Field, contains the world’s third largest known natural gas reserves behind Russia and Iran.

In July 2011, the governments of Syria, Iran and Iraq signed an historic gas pipeline energy agreement which went largely unnoticed in the midst of the NATO-Saudi-Qatari war to remove Assad. The pipeline, envisioned to cost $10 billion and take three years to complete, would run from the Iranian Port Assalouyeh near the South Pars gas field in the Persian Gulf, to Damascus in Syria via Iraq territory. The agreement would make Syria the center of assembly and production in conjunction with the reserves of Lebanon. This is a geopolitically strategic space that geographically opens for the first time, extending from Iran to Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.[5] As Asia Times correspondent Pepe Escobar put it, “The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline – if it’s ever built – would solidify a predominantly Shi’ite axis through an economic, steel umbilical cord.”[6]

Shortly after signing with Iran and Iraq, on August 16, 2011, Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian Ministry of Oil announced the discovery of a gas well in the Area of Qarah in the Central Region of Syria near Homs. Gazprom, with Assad in power, would be a major investor or operator of the new gas fields in Syria. [7] Iran ultimately plans to extend the pipeline from Damascus to Lebanon’s Mediterranean port where it would be delivered to the huge EU market. Syria would buy Iranian gas along with a current Iraqi agreement to buy Iranian gas from Iran’s part of South Pars field.[8]

Qatar, today the world’s largest exporter of LNG, largely to Asia, wants the same EU market that Iran and Syria eye. For that, they would build pipelines to the Mediterranean. Here is where getting rid of the pro-Iran Assad is essential. In 2009 Qatar approached Bashar al-Assad to propose construction of a gas pipeline from Qatar’s north Field through Syria on to Turkey and to the EU. Assad refused, citing Syria’s long friendly relations with Russia and Gazprom. That refusal combined with the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline agreement in 2011 ignited the full-scale Saudi and Qatari assault on Assad’s power, financing al Qaeda terrorists, recruits of Jihadist fanatics willing to kill Alawite and Shi’ite “infidels” for $100 a month and a Kalishnikov. The Washington neo-conservative warhawks in and around the Obama White House, along with their allies in the right-wing Netanyahu government, were cheering from the bleachers as Syria went up in flames after spring 2011.

Today the US-backed wars in Ukraine and in Syria are but two fronts in the same strategic war to cripple Russia and China and to rupture any Eurasian counter-pole to a US-controlled New World Order. In each, control of energy pipelines, this time primarily of natural gas pipelines—from Russia to the EU via Ukraine and from Iran and Syria to the EU via Syria—is the strategic goal. The true aim of the US and Israel backed ISIS is to give the pretext for bombing Assad’s vital grain silos and oil refineries to cripple the economy in preparation for a “Ghaddafi-”style elimination of Russia and China and Iran-ally Bashar al-Assad.

In a narrow sense, as Washington neo-conservatives see it, who controls Syria could control the Middle East. And from Syria, gateway to Asia, he will hold the key to Russia House, as well as that of China via the Silk Road.

Religious wars have historically been the most savage of all wars and this one is no exception, especially when trillions of dollars in oil and gas revenues are at stake. Why is the secret Kerry-Abdullah deal on Syria reached on September 11 stupid? Because the brilliant tacticians in Washington and Riyadh and Doha and to an extent in Ankara are unable to look at the interconnectedness of all the dis-order and destruction they foment, to look beyond their visions of control of the oil and gas flows as the basis of their illegitimate power. They are planting the seeds of their own destruction in the end.
This is a really interesting article, but Engdahl comes across as a bit of a doom merchant:

F. William Engdahl is author of the international best-selling book on oil and geopolitics, A Century of War: Anglo-American Politics and the New World Order. He is a widely discussed analyst of current political and economic developments whose articles have appeared in numerous newspapers and magazines and well-known international websites. His book, 'Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda Behind Genetic Manipulation,' deals with agribusiness and the attempt to control world food supply and thereby populations.
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/index.html

 
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I admit I flip flop on the US should handle ISIS. It is a very difficult problem. I don't agree with everything here, but it is an interesting perspective.

Mexican drug cartels are worse than ISIL
That was a good, though-provoking read. One obvious difference is that it's tougher to go to war in Mexico, a friendly neighbor with something like a stable government, than it is to go to war in the middle east, but that's sort of beside the author's point.

 
This is a really interesting article, but Engdahl comes across as a bit of a doom merchant:

F. William Engdahl is author of the international best-selling book on oil and geopolitics, A Century of War: Anglo-American Politics and the New World Order. He is a widely discussed analyst of current political and economic developments whose articles have appeared in numerous newspapers and magazines and well-known international websites. His book, 'Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda Behind Genetic Manipulation,' deals with agribusiness and the attempt to control world food supply and thereby populations.
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/index.html
Or just an utter fool. Here's an interview with Engdahl

ISIS is really a false flag operation. All evidence points to CIA/Israeili intelligence creating ISIS in order to provide the pretext for the war inside Syria and Iraq
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5OYeBQdrFE

 
Engdahl again.

But at this point it is clear that the attempt to pin the MH17 atrocity on Putin’s Russia is a classic CIA “false flag” operation, an attempt to try to blame the enemy for what you yourself have actually done, though this has begun to badly backfire.”
 
This is a really interesting article, but Engdahl comes across as a bit of a doom merchant:

F. William Engdahl is author of the international best-selling book on oil and geopolitics, A Century of War: Anglo-American Politics and the New World Order. He is a widely discussed analyst of current political and economic developments whose articles have appeared in numerous newspapers and magazines and well-known international websites. His book, 'Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda Behind Genetic Manipulation,' deals with agribusiness and the attempt to control world food supply and thereby populations.
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/index.html
Or just an utter fool. Here's an interview with Engdahl

ISIS is really a false flag operation. All evidence points to CIA/Israeili intelligence creating ISIS in order to provide the pretext for the war inside Syria and Iraq
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5OYeBQdrFE
Thanks, so edging into truther / conspiracist territory here.

 
They are like cockroaches. You think you wiped them out but a few scurry away and hide and then multiply and come back somewhere else.

 
The latest from the WSJ... the most pertinent point is the last sentence of the story...

Islamic State Shoots Down Iraqi Helicopter Attack Raises Concerns About Militants’ Ability to Hit AircraftAssociated Press

Dec. 13, 2014 8:39 a.m. ET2 COMMENTS
BAGHDAD—Islamic State group militants shot down an Iraqi military helicopter, officials said Saturday, killing the two pilots on board and raising fresh concerns about the extremists’ ability to attack aircraft amid ongoing U.S.-led coalition airstrikes.

The attack happened late Friday in the Shiite holy city of Samarra, about 60 miles north of Baghdad. A senior Defense Ministry official said the Sunni militants used a shoulder-fired rocket launcher to shoot down the EC635 helicopter on the outskirts of the city.

An army official corroborated the information. Both spoke on condition of anonymity as they weren’t authorized to speak to journalists.

The EC635, built by Airbus Helicopters, is used for transportation, surveillance and combat.

The militants shot down at least two other Iraqi military helicopters near the city of Beiji in October. Some fear the militants may have captured ground-to-air missiles capable of shooting down airplanes when they overran Iraqi and Syrian army bases this summer.

European airlines including Virgin Atlantic, KLM and Air France, U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines and Dubai-based Emirates changed their commercial flight plans over the summer to avoid Iraqi airspace.

The Islamic State group holds about a third of Iraq and neighboring Syria in its self-styled caliphate.
I have seen this claim to territory from other credible sources... this is an organization that is not only military, but also political, providing services in the areas they control, and they have their own flag. If they can maintain control of the areas they occupy, who's to say they don't form their own nation state?

 
The latest from the WSJ... the most pertinent point is the last sentence of the story...

Islamic State Shoots Down Iraqi Helicopter Attack Raises Concerns About Militants’ Ability to Hit Aircraft

Associated Press

Dec. 13, 2014 8:39 a.m. ET2 COMMENTS
BAGHDAD—Islamic State group militants shot down an Iraqi military helicopter, officials said Saturday, killing the two pilots on board and raising fresh concerns about the extremists’ ability to attack aircraft amid ongoing U.S.-led coalition airstrikes.

The attack happened late Friday in the Shiite holy city of Samarra, about 60 miles north of Baghdad. A senior Defense Ministry official said the Sunni militants used a shoulder-fired rocket launcher to shoot down the EC635 helicopter on the outskirts of the city.

An army official corroborated the information. Both spoke on condition of anonymity as they weren’t authorized to speak to journalists.

The EC635, built by Airbus Helicopters, is used for transportation, surveillance and combat.

The militants shot down at least two other Iraqi military helicopters near the city of Beiji in October. Some fear the militants may have captured ground-to-air missiles capable of shooting down airplanes when they overran Iraqi and Syrian army bases this summer.

European airlines including Virgin Atlantic, KLM and Air France, U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines and Dubai-based Emirates changed their commercial flight plans over the summer to avoid Iraqi airspace.

The Islamic State group holds about a third of Iraq and neighboring Syria in its self-styled caliphate.
I have seen this claim to territory from other credible sources... this is an organization that is not only military, but also political, providing services in the areas they control, and they have their own flag. If they can maintain control of the areas they occupy, who's to say they don't form their own nation state?
Apparently, not us.

 
Let me get this straight: "we" created ISIS, and now "we" are going to wipe it out?

That's quite a racket they have going their in our nation's cesspool, more commonly referred to as DC.

 
The latest from the WSJ... the most pertinent point is the last sentence of the story...

Islamic State Shoots Down Iraqi Helicopter Attack Raises Concerns About Militants Ability to Hit Aircraft

Associated Press Dec. 13, 2014 8:39 a.m. ET

2 COMMENTS

BAGHDADIslamic State group militants shot down an Iraqi military helicopter, officials said Saturday, killing the two pilots on board and raising fresh concerns about the extremists ability to attack aircraft amid ongoing U.S.-led coalition airstrikes.

The attack happened late Friday in the Shiite holy city of Samarra, about 60 miles north of Baghdad. A senior Defense Ministry official said the Sunni militants used a shoulder-fired rocket launcher to shoot down the EC635 helicopter on the outskirts of the city.

An army official corroborated the information. Both spoke on condition of anonymity as they werent authorized to speak to journalists.

The EC635, built by Airbus Helicopters, is used for transportation, surveillance and combat.

The militants shot down at least two other Iraqi military helicopters near the city of Beiji in October. Some fear the militants may have captured ground-to-air missiles capable of shooting down airplanes when they overran Iraqi and Syrian army bases this summer.

European airlines including Virgin Atlantic, KLM and Air France, U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines and Dubai-based Emirates changed their commercial flight plans over the summer to avoid Iraqi airspace.

The Islamic State group holds about a third of Iraq and neighboring Syria in its self-styled caliphate.
I have seen this claim to territory from other credible sources... this is an organization that is not only military, but also political, providing services in the areas they control, and they have their own flag. If they can maintain control of the areas they occupy, who's to say they don't form their own nation state?
Such a colossal foreign policy failure.

 
Although the hundreds of U.S. airstrikes since August have stopped the militants’ advance, the Iraqi army and its Kurdish allies have so far succeeded in retaking only slivers of occupied territory. The front line now meanders across much of northern Iraq, stretching for hundreds of miles from the Syrian border to an area west of the capital Baghdad.

“We as peshmerga are very strong. while day by day ISIS gets weaker,” said Latif Razbedi, using another name for the Islamic State. He spoke at the final peshmerga checkpoint between Irbil and Mosul. “In the day they hide from American planes, and even after dark they can’t show themselves.”

To the Kurdish fighters here, the once-vaunted power of the Islamic State has been reduced to taking potshots from afar and the occasional rocket-propelled grenade fired hastily in the night. They no longer fear a deluge of well-armed, fanatical Islamic militants sweeping through their lines across the front line.
http://www.stripes.com/news/peshmerga-near-mosul-say-islamic-state-militants-are-weakening-day-by-day-1.319127

 
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Alonzo Mosely said:
Jack White said:
Let me get this straight: "we" created ISIS, and now "we" are going to wipe it out?

That's quite a racket they have going their in our nation's cesspool, more commonly referred to as DC.
The region needs to remain destabilized so the pipeline never goes up.
We're taking down North Dakota? 'bout time.

 
jonessed said:
johnnycakes said:
The latest from the WSJ... the most pertinent point is the last sentence of the story...

Islamic State Shoots Down Iraqi Helicopter Attack Raises Concerns About Militants Ability to Hit Aircraft

Associated Press Dec. 13, 2014 8:39 a.m. ET

2 COMMENTS

BAGHDADIslamic State group militants shot down an Iraqi military helicopter, officials said Saturday, killing the two pilots on board and raising fresh concerns about the extremists ability to attack aircraft amid ongoing U.S.-led coalition airstrikes.

The attack happened late Friday in the Shiite holy city of Samarra, about 60 miles north of Baghdad. A senior Defense Ministry official said the Sunni militants used a shoulder-fired rocket launcher to shoot down the EC635 helicopter on the outskirts of the city.

An army official corroborated the information. Both spoke on condition of anonymity as they werent authorized to speak to journalists.

The EC635, built by Airbus Helicopters, is used for transportation, surveillance and combat.

The militants shot down at least two other Iraqi military helicopters near the city of Beiji in October. Some fear the militants may have captured ground-to-air missiles capable of shooting down airplanes when they overran Iraqi and Syrian army bases this summer.

European airlines including Virgin Atlantic, KLM and Air France, U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines and Dubai-based Emirates changed their commercial flight plans over the summer to avoid Iraqi airspace.

The Islamic State group holds about a third of Iraq and neighboring Syria in its self-styled caliphate.
I have seen this claim to territory from other credible sources... this is an organization that is not only military, but also political, providing services in the areas they control, and they have their own flag. If they can maintain control of the areas they occupy, who's to say they don't form their own nation state?
Such a colossal foreign policy failure.
You don't now what colossal means do you?

 
U.S. providing little information to judge progress against Islamic State

WASHINGTON — The American war against the Islamic State has become the most opaque conflict the United States has undertaken in more than two decades, a fight that’s so underreported that U.S. officials and their critics can make claims about progress, or lack thereof, with no definitive data available to refute or bolster their positions.

The result is that it’s unclear what impact more than 1,000 airstrikes on Iraq and Syria have had during the past four months. That confusion was on display at a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing earlier this week, where the topic – “Countering ISIS: Are We Making Progress?” – proved to be a question without an answer.

 
The latest from the WSJ... the most pertinent point is the last sentence of the story...

Islamic State Shoots Down Iraqi Helicopter Attack Raises Concerns About Militants’ Ability to Hit Aircraft

Associated Press

Dec. 13, 2014 8:39 a.m. ET2 COMMENTS
BAGHDAD—Islamic State group militants shot down an Iraqi military helicopter, officials said Saturday, killing the two pilots on board and raising fresh concerns about the extremists’ ability to attack aircraft amid ongoing U.S.-led coalition airstrikes.

The attack happened late Friday in the Shiite holy city of Samarra, about 60 miles north of Baghdad. A senior Defense Ministry official said the Sunni militants used a shoulder-fired rocket launcher to shoot down the EC635 helicopter on the outskirts of the city.

An army official corroborated the information. Both spoke on condition of anonymity as they weren’t authorized to speak to journalists.

The EC635, built by Airbus Helicopters, is used for transportation, surveillance and combat.

The militants shot down at least two other Iraqi military helicopters near the city of Beiji in October. Some fear the militants may have captured ground-to-air missiles capable of shooting down airplanes when they overran Iraqi and Syrian army bases this summer.

European airlines including Virgin Atlantic, KLM and Air France, U.S. carrier Delta Air Lines and Dubai-based Emirates changed their commercial flight plans over the summer to avoid Iraqi airspace.

The Islamic State group holds about a third of Iraq and neighboring Syria in its self-styled caliphate.
I have seen this claim to territory from other credible sources... this is an organization that is not only military, but also political, providing services in the areas they control, and they have their own flag. If they can maintain control of the areas they occupy, who's to say they don't form their own nation state?
What - versus the French or English just arbitrarily drawing lines in the sand?

 
Due to a limited supply of weapons, volunteers often have to bring their own firearms – usually a basic AK-47 – with the M4 and M16 rifles, BKC—an Iraqi clone of the Soviet PKM machine gun – and the DshK heavy machine gun, called the “doshka” in Iraq, being the staple weapons used in the battle against much better equipped opponents.
What's deal with not giving them arms?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/02/iraq-peshmerga-desperate-for-us-arms-in-fight-against-isis/

 
Due to a limited supply of weapons, volunteers often have to bring their own firearms usually a basic AK-47 with the M4 and M16 rifles, BKCan Iraqi clone of the Soviet PKM machine gun and the DshK heavy machine gun, called the doshka in Iraq, being the staple weapons used in the battle against much better equipped opponents.
What's deal with not giving them arms?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/02/iraq-peshmerga-desperate-for-us-arms-in-fight-against-isis/
I thought we were. It seems crazy that we wouldn't help them as much as we can.
 
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Due to a limited supply of weapons, volunteers often have to bring their own firearms – usually a basic AK-47 – with the M4 and M16 rifles, BKC—an Iraqi clone of the Soviet PKM machine gun – and the DshK heavy machine gun, called the “doshka” in Iraq, being the staple weapons used in the battle against much better equipped opponents.
What's deal with not giving them arms?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/02/iraq-peshmerga-desperate-for-us-arms-in-fight-against-isis/
The article explains why they cant purchase arms.

The US doesn't arm them, because the US views the Iraqi central government much, much, more strategically important and they don't want to piss them off.

 
Due to a limited supply of weapons, volunteers often have to bring their own firearms – usually a basic AK-47 – with the M4 and M16 rifles, BKC—an Iraqi clone of the Soviet PKM machine gun – and the DshK heavy machine gun, called the “doshka” in Iraq, being the staple weapons used in the battle against much better equipped opponents.
What's deal with not giving them arms?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/02/iraq-peshmerga-desperate-for-us-arms-in-fight-against-isis/
The article explains why they cant purchase arms.

The US doesn't arm them, because the US views the Iraqi central government much, much, more strategically important and they don't want to piss them off.
Not to mention we need to learn the lesson once and for all that our allies in that area quickly turn to enemies and all of a sudden have a boatload of american military equipment

 
Due to a limited supply of weapons, volunteers often have to bring their own firearms – usually a basic AK-47 – with the M4 and M16 rifles, BKC—an Iraqi clone of the Soviet PKM machine gun – and the DshK heavy machine gun, called the “doshka” in Iraq, being the staple weapons used in the battle against much better equipped opponents.
What's deal with not giving them arms?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/02/iraq-peshmerga-desperate-for-us-arms-in-fight-against-isis/
The article explains why they cant purchase arms.

The US doesn't arm them, because the US views the Iraqi central government much, much, more strategically important and they don't want to piss them off.
Not to mention we need to learn the lesson once and for all that our allies in that area quickly turn to enemies and all of a sudden have a boatload of american military equipment
It is a bit more nuanced than this. It has more to do with learning that the enemy of our enemy isn't necessarily our ally, and it is something we have learned. A year ago+, everyone wanted to arm the rebels in Syria to fight al-Assad. If we did that, we most certainly would have seen weapons get into ISIS' hands. We have to rely on allies in the region but taking a longer term approach, we can ensure our allies are long term and also not abandon them once our goals are reached.

 
Due to a limited supply of weapons, volunteers often have to bring their own firearms – usually a basic AK-47 – with the M4 and M16 rifles, BKC—an Iraqi clone of the Soviet PKM machine gun – and the DshK heavy machine gun, called the “doshka” in Iraq, being the staple weapons used in the battle against much better equipped opponents.
What's deal with not giving them arms?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/02/iraq-peshmerga-desperate-for-us-arms-in-fight-against-isis/
The article explains why they cant purchase arms.

The US doesn't arm them, because the US views the Iraqi central government much, much, more strategically important and they don't want to piss them off.
Not to mention we need to learn the lesson once and for all that our allies in that area quickly turn to enemies and all of a sudden have a boatload of american military equipment
The Kurds are one of the most moderate allies we have in the region. Women fight in their military and aren't required to wear hijab and Kurds are tolerant of other religions.

 

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