Where do you rank Mark Sanchez vs QB for all other NFL teams? (1 Viewer)

[Righetti]

Had an argument with a buddy of mine last week (before the NE game) who said that he thinks that Sanchez is a bottom 3rd of the league, I argued that he was better than that.

his numbers are pedestrian especially his QB Rating and completion percentage but I feel like he steps his game up when it gets tight and plays very well in the playoffs which counts for a lot. He also has 4 road playoff-victories on his resume which is more than Favre, Brady, Marino or Manning has.

Anyway we agreed that he's better than the QB situation than the following

Arizona

Browns

Dolphins

Bufallo

Oakland

San Francisco

Jacksonville

Carolina

Tennesse

I'd also rather have him that over the QB's who have had nice careers but are nowhere near that at this point of their career.

Seattle

Bengals

Washington

Minnesota

I'd also rank him above the following teams that may have QB answers but are very unproven

Detroit

Denver

QB's who might put up better numbers but really don't seem to win the big game

guys like Schaub, Cassell, Romo and Cutler

I think the only QB's who you would clearly take over Sanchez right now are Brady, Manning, Breese, Ben, Rivers and Rodgers. Guys that are similar in the sense that they look good but are still very young include Freeman and Bradford.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I agree he's better than the QB for the Cards, Browns, Buff, Oak, San Fran, Car, Tenn, Seattle, Minny, and Washington (at least Grossman).

I put him on par with Palmer, Leftwich, Hasselback, Orton and Freeman - at least at this stage of their careers.

No chance he's better than Stafford, Bradford, Schaub, Romo, or Cutler. If I'm starting a team, I take all those guys, plus the others you mentioned, over Sanchez.

 

[Hang 10]

No chance he's better than Stafford

I'd rather have the guy not made of glass.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

No chance he's better than Stafford

I'd rather have the guy not made of glass.

Part of that could be the difference in offensive lines.

 

[Da Guru]

Right now Sanchez is in the middle of the pack and will keep moving up. When you play on a team with a great defense it hides wild passes and mistakes better. For a second year QB in the playoffs though how could you ask for anything more?

 

[Eric Stratton]

No chance he's better than Stafford

I'd rather have the guy not made of glass.

Part of that could be the difference in offensive lines.

The Jets allowed one more sack than the Lions did this season. The Lions only allowed 27 sacks.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

If he were leading my favorite team, I'd be highly concerned about his inability to deliver the ball accurately on a consistent basis. He's got to fix that issue before he'll ever sniff the top 1/3 of the QBs in the game.

 

[wadegarrett]

He also has 4 road playoff-victories on his resume which is more than Favre, Brady, Marino or Manning has.

Not a big fan of this "stat." While the QB is obviously a huge part of the games, putting this label on individual players is kind of dumb IMO.ETA: But I agree he's better than the QBs on those teams you mentioned.

 

[Dope]

I think the top tier is

Brady

Ben

Peyton

Rodgers

Brees

All except Rodgers have won a Super Bowl, Rodgers is clearly ascending.

The next tier has:

Romo

Ryan

Cutler

Eli

Vick

Bradford

Rivers

Freeman

This is where I would put Sanchez.

Sanchez is in the top 1/2 of QB's in the league.

That's about as fair a statement as there is.

 

[Reaper]

Right now Sanchez is in the middle of the pack and will keep moving up. When you play on a team with a great defense it hides wild passes and mistakes better. For a second year QB in the playoffs though how could you ask for anything more?

Yeah, I hear this but, really the defense hasn't been GREAT this year... .Sanchez was asked to win games and he did.Revis was out and dinged a bunch, they lost Jenkins and then Leonard and the secondary was a mess all season... They have no pass rusher at all.IMO, Sanchez still has a long way to go in the experience dept but, he works as hard as anyone so, there's a lot of room to grow in what has been an eventful 2 years so far.To add to this - I think one thing Sanchez is learning on the fly is Bad weather games which he never saw much of in his past... I heard some radio people talking about how bad QB's have started out playing in The Meadowlands like Simms and Eli (the list was a lot longer ) but, learned a lot after a few seasons.....Sanchez has a ton to learn.... And the Drive to do it.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

No chance he's better than Stafford

I'd rather have the guy not made of glass.

Part of that could be the difference in offensive lines.

The Jets allowed one more sack than the Lions did this season. The Lions only allowed 27 sacks.

Stafford is more accurate, has a better arm, and is more confident in the pocket. I'd say they are similar in their defensive reads and progressions. I don't think a bad OL is the problem, or even a lack of talent around Stafford. I'd say it more the coaching. Jim Schwartz <<<< Rex Ryan.

 

[Righetti]

No chance he's better than Stafford

I'd rather have the guy not made of glass.

his durability has to be a question mark for the Lions.. also his numbers looked good but so did all the other guys who stepped in for the Lions this year..

 

[Righetti]

I think the top tier is BradyBenPeytonRodgersBreesAll except Rodgers have won a Super Bowl, Rodgers is clearly ascending.The next tier has:RomoRyanCutlerEliVickBradfordRiversFreemanThis is where I would put Sanchez.Sanchez is in the top 1/2 of QB's in the league. That's about as fair a statement as there is.

I think this is very fair.. I think you have Cutler a bit high (assuming this is in order) but I can't really disagree on any of them

 

[Patoons]

I think the top tier is BradyBenPeytonRodgersBreesAll except Rodgers have won a Super Bowl, Rodgers is clearly ascending.The next tier has:RomoRyanCutlerEliVickBradfordRiversFreemanThis is where I would put Sanchez.Sanchez is in the top 1/2 of QB's in the league. That's about as fair a statement as there is.

I think this is very fair.. I think you have Cutler a bit high (assuming this is in order) but I can't really disagree on any of them

Sanchez continues to catch a lot of grief from all angles claiming he's the weakest link, but continues to improve and I'd rather him than most of the other QBs in the league. The inconsistency on the accuracy concerns me some, but I think a large part of that's due to his inexperience at the college level and being a 2nd year player. As someone mentioned above, one player doesn't win games in this sport, but to be 4-1 on the road in the playoffs definitely speaks volumes about what kind of player he can be and is shaping to be. He doesn't shy away from pressure situation and steps up when needed. He's played extremely well for a 2nd year QB. Because the Jets D, running game and the O-line is solid, and the team's offensive philosphy, I'd be surprised if he ever really gets any credit for his play.

 

[Black]

I think the good O-line, running game and DEF hide alot of flaws of Sanchez. I think the NYJ coaches prefer to not put alot on hist plate if they can help it. Situation-wise, I think he's a great fit for the team (except for bad weather games up in NY).

His accuracy not good two weeks ago against INDY. Seems like in the second half they asked him to do alot less (don't have the stats handy), and he was ok. That seems to be a recurring theme: his consistency. I don't think he can put balls in tight windows, esp under pressure. He had some nice placement on balls vs. NE (Santonio TD in the corner was nice), but I think that is when he has time to set his feet and can hit his primary read. So, throwing skills-wise, I think he's average...maybe like a David Garrard type?

I hate the 'he's a winner' stuff, b/c it's vague. That being said, Sanchez does seem to be pretty calm under pressure and does seem to be a pretty good leader. I think his teammates are behind him. That's important. However, there's alot of young QBs that I like in this area: Stafford and Freeman come to mind. So, again, this is an important trait, but he might be just above average in these intangibles.

Durability: I think he had offseason surgery last year and might need it again this year? I don't think we started hearing things about Peyton Manning needing corrective surgery until he was 34 or 35. Sanchez is tough and plays through it, but I think already has knee and maybe a shoulder issue. Could be a problem down the road.

So, to answer the OP's original question...I guess given all the above factors, he's probably middle of the pack. I might not say bottom third, due to the fact that there's alot of bad QBing in the NFL. But, he makes it out of the bottom third due to his situation and intangibles, and less because of his skillset IMHO.

 

[Black&Gold]

I think the top tier is BradyBenPeytonRodgersBreesAll except Rodgers have won a Super Bowl, Rodgers is clearly ascending.The next tier has:RomoRyanCutlerEliVickBradfordRiversFreemanThis is where I would put Sanchez.Sanchez is in the top 1/2 of QB's in the league. That's about as fair a statement as there is.

I think this is very fair.. I think you have Cutler a bit high (assuming this is in order) but I can't really disagree on any of them

I agree with this. I still think that Sanchez is undervalued to most people though. 2nd year QB, 2 AFC championships. People ask like he doesn't have the skill set. He was a top pick in the draft. I think he has as many "intagibles" as Brees had coming out. It just depends on what he does with them.

 

[Modog814]

I think the top tier is BradyBenPeytonRodgersBreesAll except Rodgers have won a Super Bowl, Rodgers is clearly ascending.The next tier has:RomoRyanCutlerEliVickBradfordRiversFreemanThis is where I would put Sanchez.Sanchez is in the top 1/2 of QB's in the league. That's about as fair a statement as there is.

I think this is the highest anyone could rank him. Lowest is probably around 21st or so and I wouldn't argue either way, the QB's in that range are all of a give or take kind. Flacco, Cassel, Garrard, Orton, Hasselbeck, Campbell, Palmer are all QB's that I wouldn't have a problem with someone placing them ahead of Sanchez. Not a big Sanchez fan talent wise, but he definitely has the poise to be successful at the NFL level. Not convinced though that he'll ever get to the upper tier (top 10 or so), and that he won't fall apart if the Jets Run game and Defense stop hiding his flaws as well as they do now. That said, I think Sanchez played one of his best (if not best) game as a professional this past Sunday.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He also has 4 road playoff-victories on his resume which is more than Favre, Brady, Marino or Manning has.

Not a big fan of this "stat." While the QB is obviously a huge part of the games, putting this label on individual players is kind of dumb IMO.ETA: But I agree he's better than the QBs on those teams you mentioned.

in fairness he was an integral part of three of the four wins (didn't need to do much against Cinncy) and played very well in each of those games (after getting off to rough starts in the two ganes this year).

 

[njherdfan]

If he were leading my favorite team, I'd be highly concerned about his inability to deliver the ball accurately on a consistent basis. He's got to fix that issue before he'll ever sniff the top 1/3 of the QBs in the game.

His accuracy is a huge concern. And I generally hate statements about a player that can't be quantified like "he steps up in the clutch," but he really does seem to play better at the end of games, possibly because the offense becomes more simplified. Whatever the reason, his habit of elevating his performance in big spots probably raises his status a bit, but if he continues to complete less than 60% of his passes he will never be elite.

 

[Dope]

I think the top tier is BradyBenPeytonRodgersBreesAll except Rodgers have won a Super Bowl, Rodgers is clearly ascending.The next tier has:RomoRyanCutlerEliVickBradfordRiversFreemanThis is where I would put Sanchez.Sanchez is in the top 1/2 of QB's in the league. That's about as fair a statement as there is.

I think this is very fair.. I think you have Cutler a bit high (assuming this is in order) but I can't really disagree on any of them

That's just the tier. I was going to put them in order, but honestly, it wasn't worth the 5 minutes.It's just one guy's opinion and the topic of this post is Sanchez.I think that he is firmly in tier 2. With upside.And, yeah, I am a homer, but as a Jet's fan, I can totally focus on the negative. It's what we do.I don't see negatives....not horrific ones anyway. Is he the most accurate QB in the NFL? no...not a chance. But look at that throw to Holmes. That is a world class throw. Throw in the huge importance of the setting and I'll tell you what...that is a legendary type throw. The only thing missing was that it WASN'T for the AFC Championship and a Sports Illustrated photographer wasn't standing right there to capture an iconic moment.Yeah, I just referred to "The Catch". But really the catch was just a splash title on a magazine cover. That play was really all about Montana's throw. Perfection. Same thing with Sanchez's laser fade (thanks Bob Ryan) to Holmes. Perfect placement. Perfect arc. Perfection. Nobody can make a better throw.Also, I am pretty damn sure that when the Steelers started winning early in Ben's career the same things were being said. Pittsburgh is hiding their young QB with their defense, with their running game.Now Ben is considered an elite tier 1 QB. The arcs are similar.As a matter of fact, the Steelers of 2005 is probably where the Jets of 2010 are. Awesome defenses with great running games. Young QB's who just seem to win. The arcs are similar.

 

[David Yudkin]

Sanchez is really hard to rank. THis year, he came in 27th in passer rating after finishing 28th last year. I haven't seen him play a ton, but in the games I have seen him he has been wildly inconsistently, many times in the same game.

The Pats game was the perfect example. There were times he had guys wide open and simply missed them, sometimes by a country mile. But he also had some pinpoint throws and balls that were exactly where they needed to be. I've seen NY lose because of his play and there have been multiple times when he led the team to wins on the final drive.

Also, if the Jets beat PIT this weekend, Sanchez will become the all-time leader in road victories with five in just his second season.

If I thought about it, I could probably find 15-20 QBs I would rather have than Sanchez and 10 that I wouldn't consider before him. So IMO he's on the fringe of the bottom third of the league and could fall on either side of that dividing line. That's based on the QBs and not the overall teams and OLs.

 

[Debeucci]

Sanchez is really hard to rank. THis year, he came in 27th in passer rating after finishing 28th last year. I haven't seen him play a ton, but in the games I have seen him he has been wildly inconsistently, many times in the same game.The Pats game was the perfect example. There were times he had guys wide open and simply missed them, sometimes by a country mile. But he also had some pinpoint throws and balls that were exactly where they needed to be. I've seen NY lose because of his play and there have been multiple times when he led the team to wins on the final drive.Also, if the Jets beat PIT this weekend, Sanchez will become the all-time leader in road victories with five in just his second season.If I thought about it, I could probably find 15-20 QBs I would rather have than Sanchez and 10 that I wouldn't consider before him. So IMO he's on the fringe of the bottom third of the league and could fall on either side of that dividing line. That's based on the QBs and not the overall teams and OLs.

I have Sanchez in the high 20s. Face it, he's got one of the cushier QB jobs in the league. A QB's best friend is a dominating defense. He's got a decent running game and a better than average Oline to back him up. Lots of lower ranked QBs could prosper int he Jets system. I mean, put him in with the Bears Oline at the beginning of this season and he wouldn't have survived to see the 2nd half of the season.

 

[Righetti]

Sanchez is really hard to rank. THis year, he came in 27th in passer rating after finishing 28th last year. I haven't seen him play a ton, but in the games I have seen him he has been wildly inconsistently, many times in the same game.The Pats game was the perfect example. There were times he had guys wide open and simply missed them, sometimes by a country mile. But he also had some pinpoint throws and balls that were exactly where they needed to be. I've seen NY lose because of his play and there have been multiple times when he led the team to wins on the final drive.Also, if the Jets beat PIT this weekend, Sanchez will become the all-time leader in road victories with five in just his second season.If I thought about it, I could probably find 15-20 QBs I would rather have than Sanchez and 10 that I wouldn't consider before him. So IMO he's on the fringe of the bottom third of the league and could fall on either side of that dividing line. That's based on the QBs and not the overall teams and OLs.

I think to say that there are 15-20 QB's who you would rather have then him is not being fair.... just look at the total bums at the bottom of the league (the situations in Carolina, Buffalo, Miami, SF, Oak etc are much worse) then look at the QB's at the tail end of their career (McNabb, Carson Palmer, Favre) I don't think you would want any of those guys either..I think it is more fair to say he is in that 10-15 range.

 

[Truman]

I think the top tier is BradyBenPeytonRodgersBreesAll except Rodgers have won a Super Bowl, Rodgers is clearly ascending.The next tier has:RomoRyanCutlerEliVickBradfordRiversFreemanThis is where I would put Sanchez.Sanchez is in the top 1/2 of QB's in the league. That's about as fair a statement as there is.

I think this is very fair.. I think you have Cutler a bit high (assuming this is in order) but I can't really disagree on any of them

That's just the tier. I was going to put them in order, but honestly, it wasn't worth the 5 minutes.It's just one guy's opinion and the topic of this post is Sanchez.I think that he is firmly in tier 2. With upside.And, yeah, I am a homer, but as a Jet's fan, I can totally focus on the negative. It's what we do.I don't see negatives....not horrific ones anyway. Is he the most accurate QB in the NFL? no...not a chance. But look at that throw to Holmes. That is a world class throw. Throw in the huge importance of the setting and I'll tell you what...that is a legendary type throw. The only thing missing was that it WASN'T for the AFC Championship and a Sports Illustrated photographer wasn't standing right there to capture an iconic moment.Yeah, I just referred to "The Catch". But really the catch was just a splash title on a magazine cover. That play was really all about Montana's throw. Perfection. Same thing with Sanchez's laser fade (thanks Bob Ryan) to Holmes. Perfect placement. Perfect arc. Perfection. Nobody can make a better throw.Also, I am pretty damn sure that when the Steelers started winning early in Ben's career the same things were being said. Pittsburgh is hiding their young QB with their defense, with their running game.Now Ben is considered an elite tier 1 QB. The arcs are similar.As a matter of fact, the Steelers of 2005 is probably where the Jets of 2010 are. Awesome defenses with great running games. Young QB's who just seem to win. The arcs are similar.

They don't 'just seem to win', the Jets won their first 3 playoff games under Sanchez by restricting their opponents to 14, 14 and 16 points. Sanchez's performance on Sunday was the most impressive of his career, but the Jets D still restricted a Pats O averaging 27 ppg to 21 points - one of those TDs coming in garbage time. In the other Jets playoff wins they have won on the back of great defensive performances and dominant ground games which have taken the ball out of Sanchez' hands - over 170 rushing yards in each of the previous playoff victories. I think there are 20 better QBs in the league than Sanchez and that will still be the case if the Jets win the Superbowl

 

[Truman]

Sanchez is really hard to rank. THis year, he came in 27th in passer rating after finishing 28th last year. I haven't seen him play a ton, but in the games I have seen him he has been wildly inconsistently, many times in the same game.The Pats game was the perfect example. There were times he had guys wide open and simply missed them, sometimes by a country mile. But he also had some pinpoint throws and balls that were exactly where they needed to be. I've seen NY lose because of his play and there have been multiple times when he led the team to wins on the final drive.Also, if the Jets beat PIT this weekend, Sanchez will become the all-time leader in road victories with five in just his second season.If I thought about it, I could probably find 15-20 QBs I would rather have than Sanchez and 10 that I wouldn't consider before him. So IMO he's on the fringe of the bottom third of the league and could fall on either side of that dividing line. That's based on the QBs and not the overall teams and OLs.

I think to say that there are 15-20 QB's who you would rather have then him is not being fair.... just look at the total bums at the bottom of the league (the situations in Carolina, Buffalo, Miami, SF, Oak etc are much worse) then look at the QB's at the tail end of their career (McNabb, Carson Palmer, Favre) I don't think you would want any of those guys either..I think it is more fair to say he is in that 10-15 range.

How is Ryan Fitzpatrick a 'much worse' player than Sanchez?

 

[David Yudkin]

Sanchez is really hard to rank. THis year, he came in 27th in passer rating after finishing 28th last year. I haven't seen him play a ton, but in the games I have seen him he has been wildly inconsistently, many times in the same game.The Pats game was the perfect example. There were times he had guys wide open and simply missed them, sometimes by a country mile. But he also had some pinpoint throws and balls that were exactly where they needed to be. I've seen NY lose because of his play and there have been multiple times when he led the team to wins on the final drive.Also, if the Jets beat PIT this weekend, Sanchez will become the all-time leader in road victories with five in just his second season.If I thought about it, I could probably find 15-20 QBs I would rather have than Sanchez and 10 that I wouldn't consider before him. So IMO he's on the fringe of the bottom third of the league and could fall on either side of that dividing line. That's based on the QBs and not the overall teams and OLs.

I think to say that there are 15-20 QB's who you would rather have then him is not being fair.... just look at the total bums at the bottom of the league (the situations in Carolina, Buffalo, Miami, SF, Oak etc are much worse) then look at the QB's at the tail end of their career (McNabb, Carson Palmer, Favre) I don't think you would want any of those guys either..I think it is more fair to say he is in that 10-15 range.

In no particular order . . .BradyManningRoethlisbergerRiversBreesRodgersSchaubRomoRyanManningVickFreemanPalmerCasselCutlerOrtonBradfordFlaccoGarrardKolbThat's 20 right there. In the mix with Sanchez, I would slot McNabb, Stafford, Hasselbeck, and Fitzpatrick all somewhere in the next 5. If we are looking longer term, Sanchez would rate slightly higher. I think Sanchez does benefit from the situation he's in, as his defense can make up for his deficiencies better than some of the other young QBs teams can.

 

[spider321]

Sanchez is somewhere in the 15-20 range which, by definition, makes him an average NFL QB.

 

[Zegras11]

Sanchez is really hard to rank. THis year, he came in 27th in passer rating after finishing 28th last year. I haven't seen him play a ton, but in the games I have seen him he has been wildly inconsistently, many times in the same game.The Pats game was the perfect example. There were times he had guys wide open and simply missed them, sometimes by a country mile. But he also had some pinpoint throws and balls that were exactly where they needed to be. I've seen NY lose because of his play and there have been multiple times when he led the team to wins on the final drive.Also, if the Jets beat PIT this weekend, Sanchez will become the all-time leader in road victories with five in just his second season.If I thought about it, I could probably find 15-20 QBs I would rather have than Sanchez and 10 that I wouldn't consider before him. So IMO he's on the fringe of the bottom third of the league and could fall on either side of that dividing line. That's based on the QBs and not the overall teams and OLs.

I've seen him play just about every game since a freshman in HS.The inconsistency comes from simply trying too hard and lack of NFL experience, 50/50. This will go away in time.Note that every TV analyst that was a QB loves the guy.. I think he has the perfect coaching setup with Schott and Ryan. He had two great wins against NE this year, the first after an opening game L that was crucial. Comebacks vs. DEN, DET, CLE and PITT. The reason he does well at the end of games is simply because he's a winner. He understands the game. He understands his role in what it takes to win with what he has to work with (which includes himself at NFL level). He did that in HS. He did in college. He's doing it in the NFL, but it's so much harder to do in the NFL.I doubt his numbers will ever be Top Five in any year, but if he's not in it already, he'll soon be in the Top Five QB's that know how and what it takes to win a game.Brady, Rivers, Rodgers, Manning, Brees are currently the only ones in that class at the moment. Sanchez and Freeman soon to enter. Only a matter of time.

 

[Truman]

[i doubt his numbers will ever be Top Five in any year, but if he's not in it already, he'll soon be in the Top Five QB's that know how and what it takes to win a game.Brady, Rivers, Rodgers, Manning, Brees are currently the only ones in that class at the moment. Sanchez and Freeman soon to enter. Only a matter of time.

What does this even mean and if it existed how is Rivers in this class when his team are only capable of beating Indy in the playoffs? If you're going to have some absurd argument about QBs who are on teams that have won you might want to bump Rivers for Big Ben.Here's the winning formula for Sanchez and the Jets:- Rush for 170+ yards- Shut down opposing offenses with elite defense and best defensive head coach in league- Ensure QB touches ball as little as possible

 

[Zegras11]

[i doubt his numbers will ever be Top Five in any year, but if he's not in it already, he'll soon be in the Top Five QB's that know how and what it takes to win a game.Brady, Rivers, Rodgers, Manning, Brees are currently the only ones in that class at the moment. Sanchez and Freeman soon to enter. Only a matter of time.

What does this even mean and if it existed how is Rivers in this class when his team are only capable of beating Indy in the playoffs? If you're going to have some absurd argument about QBs who are on teams that have won you might want to bump Rivers for Big Ben.Here's the winning formula for Sanchez and the Jets:- Rush for 170+ yards- Shut down opposing offenses with elite defense and best defensive head coach in league- Ensure QB touches ball as little as possible

yes, Ben should be on the list also. You're forgetting that Sanchez made key passes in both playoff games. Most notable are the ones to Edwards.

 

[EBF]

I have Sanchez in the high 20s. Face it, he's got one of the cushier QB jobs in the league. A QB's best friend is a dominating defense. He's got a decent running game and a better than average Oline to back him up. Lots of lower ranked QBs could prosper int he Jets system. I mean, put him in with the Bears Oline at the beginning of this season and he wouldn't have survived to see the 2nd half of the season.

I wonder about this. I think people have a tendency to underestimate how hard it is to even be a serviceable "game manager" in the NFL. You could argue that teams like San Francisco, Cincinnati, Arizona, and Minnesota have as much talent on offense and defense as the Jets, yet those teams were torpedoed by poor QB play (among other things). I have no doubt that Sanchez benefits from his supporting cast and coaching. On the other hand, he has been solid enough to compile consecutive winning records in the regular season and an enviable playoff record. I really don't buy the argument that any starting QB in the NFL could do the same in his situation. I think Sanchez is roughly on par with the likes of Garrard, Cassel, Flacco, and Cutler. The difference is that while those guys are more equipped to thrive in the regular season, Sanchez seems more equipped to thrive in crunch time. One thing that impressed me about his game against New England is that he never made a bad read or threw a pass into coverage. He didn't always deliver an accurate pass, but he always seemed to make the right decision. That bodes well for his future. What worries me is that his regular season stats didn't improve at all from his rookie season. If he can become more consistent every week, I think he has the upside to be a top 10 NFL QB. For now I rate him roughly in the middle of the pack.

 

[rufan]

What worries me is that his regular season stats didn't improve at all from his rookie season.

His stats definitely improved over his rookie season. He threw for almost 1000 more yards with 5 more TDs, 7 less interceptions, and 3 less fumbles.

 

[EBF]

What worries me is that his regular season stats didn't improve at all from his rookie season.

His stats definitely improved over his rookie season. He threw for almost 1000 more yards with 5 more TDs, 7 less interceptions, and 3 less fumbles.

Yea, that's a good point. He did better at taking care of the ball this year, but his completion percentage and yards per attempt both dropped slightly. Both of those figures will have to increase dramatically for him to be considered an elite NFL/FF QB.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Wait so QB get ranked on yards and fantasy stats? The NFL cares about QB that manage the game for their team in order to come out with W's and IMO that puts Sanchez in the top 1/4 of the league.

 

[Truman]

What worries me is that his regular season stats didn't improve at all from his rookie season.

His stats definitely improved over his rookie season. He threw for almost 1000 more yards with 5 more TDs, 7 less interceptions, and 3 less fumbles.

He also led the league in dropped INTs according to Football Outsiders.

 

[Truman]

Wait so QB get ranked on yards and fantasy stats? The NFL cares about QB that manage the game for their team in order to come out with W's and IMO that puts Sanchez in the top 1/4 of the league.

How does he manage the game? The Jets win because of Rex Ryan's defense and their running game. QBs get ranked based on how good their teammates and coaching staff are?

 

[Dope]

Wait so QB get ranked on yards and fantasy stats? The NFL cares about QB that manage the game for their team in order to come out with W's and IMO that puts Sanchez in the top 1/4 of the league.

How does he manage the game? The Jets win because of Rex Ryan's defense and their running game. QBs get ranked based on how good their teammates and coaching staff are?

This is probably the homer in me, but I'd rather have Sanchez running my team than Matt Ryan.

 

[Truman]

You know who was really great at knowing how to win? Rex Grossman.

 

[Truman]

Wait so QB get ranked on yards and fantasy stats? The NFL cares about QB that manage the game for their team in order to come out with W's and IMO that puts Sanchez in the top 1/4 of the league.

How does he manage the game? The Jets win because of Rex Ryan's defense and their running game. QBs get ranked based on how good their teammates and coaching staff are?

This is probably the homer in me, but I'd rather have Sanchez running my team than Matt Ryan.

The Jets D in the playoffs under Sanchez: 17 ppgThe Falcons D in the playoffs under Ryan: 39 ppgMust be Sanchez's leadership.

 

[Dope]

Wait so QB get ranked on yards and fantasy stats? The NFL cares about QB that manage the game for their team in order to come out with W's and IMO that puts Sanchez in the top 1/4 of the league.

How does he manage the game? The Jets win because of Rex Ryan's defense and their running game. QBs get ranked based on how good their teammates and coaching staff are?

This is probably the homer in me, but I'd rather have Sanchez running my team than Matt Ryan.

The Jets D in the playoffs under Sanchez: 17 ppgThe Falcons D in the playoffs under Ryan: 39 ppgMust be Sanchez's leadership.

No need to be #####y because the Falcons completely bombed in the playoffs.Ryan has a 72.8 and a 69.0 passer rating in his 2 playoff games. One of them a home game.Sanchez is averaging 92.2 in his 5 games. All on the road.Like I said...it's probably the homer in me, but I'd rather have the guy who comes to play in January.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Pro Sanchez comment: You can't knock what he's accomplished in two years, especially in New York where the pressure is a little different than most cities. You'd expect a rookie/2nd year QB to lose a few playoff games for them just by playing awful, but he seems to keep his cool and come through. He's 24. Where will he be in 10 years, when QBs start to really "get it?"?

Anti Sanchez comment: I can say with great confidence that if the Jets called the Buccaneers offering to trade Sanchez for Freeman, Tampa Bay wouldn't even return the phone call. If the Jets threw in an early draft pick the Buccaneers might call back just to say no. There's no question which QB has accomplished more in their two years but I don't think Sanchez is well-respected around the league.

Of course teams with no QB would love to have Sanchez. Yes, he's better than bottom third because too many teams don't have a QB. But I can't think of many entrenched starters he'd replace. Palmer for sure, and probably Garrard. But Garrard is underrated imo. I'm not sure how he even throws for 100 yards a game with that receiving corps. Not sure Sanchez would do better.

 

[onlyseventeenpoints?]

Sanchez is really hard to rank. THis year, he came in 27th in passer rating after finishing 28th last year. I haven't seen him play a ton, but in the games I have seen him he has been wildly inconsistently, many times in the same game.The Pats game was the perfect example. There were times he had guys wide open and simply missed them, sometimes by a country mile. But he also had some pinpoint throws and balls that were exactly where they needed to be. I've seen NY lose because of his play and there have been multiple times when he led the team to wins on the final drive.Also, if the Jets beat PIT this weekend, Sanchez will become the all-time leader in road victories with five in just his second season.If I thought about it, I could probably find 15-20 QBs I would rather have than Sanchez and 10 that I wouldn't consider before him. So IMO he's on the fringe of the bottom third of the league and could fall on either side of that dividing line. That's based on the QBs and not the overall teams and OLs.

I've seen him play just about every game since a freshman in HS.The inconsistency comes from simply trying too hard and lack of NFL experience, 50/50. This will go away in time.Note that every TV analyst that was a QB loves the guy.. I think he has the perfect coaching setup with Schott and Ryan. He had two great wins against NE this year, the first after an opening game L that was crucial. Comebacks vs. DEN, DET, CLE and PITT. The reason he does well at the end of games is simply because he's a winner. He understands the game. He understands his role in what it takes to win with what he has to work with (which includes himself at NFL level). He did that in HS. He did in college. He's doing it in the NFL, but it's so much harder to do in the NFL.I doubt his numbers will ever be Top Five in any year, but if he's not in it already, he'll soon be in the Top Five QB's that know how and what it takes to win a game.Brady, Rivers, Rodgers, Manning, Brees are currently the only ones in that class at the moment. Sanchez and Freeman soon to enter. Only a matter of time.

If you could help me understand how you define the makeup of a "winner" it would be helpful. Please leave out vagueries. I also have sanchez at about 15 but rankings don't tell the entire story. He's a country mile behind the top 6 or so and probably will never be there.

 

[rufan]

Yea, that's a good point. He did better at taking care of the ball this year, but his completion percentage and yards per attempt both dropped slightly. Both of those figures will have to increase dramatically for him to be considered an elite NFL/FF QB.

Agreed.

 

[rufan]

He also led the league in dropped INTs according to Football Outsiders.

True, but he also had a ton of crucial dropped passes, including at least 3 TDs.

 

[dharmapunk]

Anyway we agreed that he's better than the QB situation than the following

Arizona

Browns

Dolphins

Bufallo

Oakland

San Francisco

Jacksonville

Carolina

Tennesse

I'll say it: I'd rather have Fitz than the wildly inaccurate Sanchez.

Put Fitz behind the Jets' line with Keller, LT2, Edwards and Holmes, and he'd put up pro bowl numbers.

 

[dharmapunk]

You know who was really great at knowing how to win? Rex Grossman.

"It's funny because it's true."

 

[njherdfan]

Anyway we agreed that he's better than the QB situation than the following

Arizona

Browns

Dolphins

Bufallo

Oakland

San Francisco

Jacksonville

Carolina

Tennesse

I'll say it: I'd rather have Fitz than the wildly inaccurate Sanchez.

Put Fitz behind the Jets' line with Keller, LT2, Edwards and Holmes, and he'd put up pro bowl numbers.

It's possible that he would put up very good numbers with the Jets skill players, but I also think that he doesn't have quite the arm strength that Sanchez does. Either way, I do think the two QBs are pretty similar. If the Jets had Fitz starting during the regular season they probably go better than 11-5, but IDK if they would have beaten the Pats w/ Fitzpatrick either.

 

[Football_Guy]

I had some time at work, so I thought I would put together a full list of rankings of QBs.

I picked one QB from each team (Kolb would have been up there)

And I including Brett Favre (I figured it wasn't fair to compare Tarvaris Jackson to starting QBs), and QBs that didn't play much this year like Matt Stafford.

So, I think Sanchez is in the bottom half of QBs, but not the bottom 1/3.

1 Peyton Manning Colts 2 Tom Brady Patriots 3 Drew Brees Saints 4 Aaron Rodgers Packers 5 Ben Roethlisberger Steelers 6 Philip Rivers Chargers 7 Matt Schaub Texans 8 Brett Favre Vikings 9 Michael Vick Eagles 10 Matt Ryan Falcons 11 Tony Romo Cowboys 12 Sam Bradford Rams 13 Joe Flacco Ravens 14 Jay Cutler Bears 15 Matt Stafford Lions 16 Matt Hasselbeck Seahawks 17 Eli Manning Giants 18 Josh Freeman Buccneers 19 Matt Cassel Chiefs 20 Mark Sanchez Jets 21 David Garrad Jaguars 22 Donovan McNabb Redskins 23 Kyle Orton Broncos 24 Carson Palmer Bengals 25 Vince Young Titans 26 Chad Henne Dolphins 27 Jason Cambell Raiders 28 Alex Smith 49ers 29 Derek Anderson Cardinals 30 Trent Edwards Bills 31 Jake Delhomme Browns 32 Jimmy Clausen Panthers
Flame away

 

[Debeucci]

I had some time at work, so I thought I would put together a full list of rankings of QBs.I picked one QB from each team (Kolb would have been up there)And I including Brett Favre (I figured it wasn't fair to compare Tarvaris Jackson to starting QBs), and QBs that didn't play much this year like Matt Stafford.So, I think Sanchez is in the bottom half of QBs, but not the bottom 1/3.

1  Peyton Manning	 Colts	 2  Tom Brady		  Patriots  3  Drew Brees		 Saints	4  Aaron Rodgers	  Packers   5  Ben Roethlisberger Steelers  6  Philip Rivers	  Chargers  7  Matt Schaub		Texans	8  Brett Favre		Vikings   9  Michael Vick	   Eagles	10 Matt Ryan		  Falcons   11 Tony Romo		  Cowboys   12 Sam Bradford	   Rams	  13 Joe Flacco		 Ravens	14 Jay Cutler		 Bears	 15 Matt Stafford	  Lions	 16 Matt Hasselbeck	Seahawks  17 Eli Manning		Giants	18 Josh Freeman	   Buccneers 19 Matt Cassel		Chiefs	20 Mark Sanchez	   Jets	  21 David Garrad	   Jaguars   22 Donovan McNabb	 Redskins  23 Kyle Orton		 Broncos   24 Carson Palmer	  Bengals   25 Vince Young		Titans	26 Chad Henne		 Dolphins  27 Jason Cambell	  Raiders   28 Alex Smith		 49ers	 29 Derek Anderson	 Cardinals 30 Trent Edwards	  Bills	 31 Jake Delhomme	  Browns	32 Jimmy Clausen	  Panthers

Flame away

This list is off its rocker. Peyton's on an off year. Rodgers should be #1 at this point.Schuab and Favre way too high.Cutler way too low. How do you have him below Bradford, Flacco, Ryan, FAVRE?!Ryan too high.This is a toughy, but I think Cassel needs more respect. jason campbell and Orton too low.Vince Young....really?And where's Fitzpatrick? BTW...I think Fitz is a stud in the making. Guy is a hoss on a bad team.

 

[Football_Guy]

This list is off its rocker. Peyton's on an off year. Rodgers should be #1 at this point.Schuab and Favre way too high.Cutler way too low. How do you have him below Bradford, Flacco, Ryan, FAVRE?!Ryan too high.This is a toughy, but I think Cassel needs more respect. jason campbell and Orton too low.Vince Young....really?And where's Fitzpatrick? BTW...I think Fitz is a stud in the making. Guy is a hoss on a bad team.

This list has nothing to do with how the player played this year. It is how good I think the QB is at this point in their career. I don't care if Peyton had an off year, next year, I would take Peyton over Rodgers in a heartbeat....and as a Bears fan, do you think you might be a incy wincy little bit biased on Cutler? Decision making in the redzone is important.