Where does Steven Jackson go? (1 Viewer)

[steelwind]

I also believe he stays in Stl. Otherwise you are looking at giving up a 3rd round pick and spending 5 million for 8 games (6 games since it will take 2 games for him to pickup a new offense). I don't care if he's a vet. Every team has their own coded words for play calling. It takes several games for a new player to learn it.

Green Bay does have a week 10 bye so that would mean an extra week to learn the offense.

LOL I get it. You are a hopeful Sjax owner and I know his situation is brutal in Stl. But it's not gonna happen. If you are a GM, would you shell out 5 million dollars for an 8 game rental plus a 3rd round draft pick? And your team is built to pass, not run. And you are already winning.

GB would be thinking this would help add about 2-3 more games to their season....

Really? Let's look at GB's remaining schedule:Week9: ARI

Week 10: Bye

Week 11: @Det

Week 12: @NYG

Week 13: Minn

Week 14: Det

Week 15: @Chi

Week 16: Ten

Week 17: @Minn

Weeks 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17 are all weak defenses against the pass. What makes you think Coach will take the ball out of Rodger's hands in those situations? Maybe week 15 @Chi is their toughest matchup. GB does not have need nor will they pay 3 million for a 8 game rental RB where they will surely throw in every game.

What about post-season when GB has to face the cream that rose to the top? They will not win a SB with Green. Someone will absolutely sell out and dare Green to beat them, which IMO, he cannot. Rodgers is far from invincible. He was exposed earlier in the season and even last week when he was missing a weapon. I posted it in the Green thread, but something eventually has to give. They are winning now but it isn't sustainable with no legitimate run game. Whether is be Green picking it up, Starks resurrecting his career, White surprising us or SJax signing, something has to change if they want to make it to and win a SB. An Sjax signing gives them by and far the best odds of doing so.

Teams are already selling out against the run. Honestly, they are even more dangerous if Randall Cobb is the running back in a Sproles type role than if Sjax was back there. If they have to I believe they will run this formation in the playoffs. They would save draft picks, save 3 mill and score a ton of points.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

I'd like to see him go to NE, just to mess with everyone's head.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I also believe he stays in Stl. Otherwise you are looking at giving up a 3rd round pick and spending 5 million for 8 games (6 games since it will take 2 games for him to pickup a new offense). I don't care if he's a vet. Every team has their own coded words for play calling. It takes several games for a new player to learn it.

Green Bay does have a week 10 bye so that would mean an extra week to learn the offense.

LOL I get it. You are a hopeful Sjax owner and I know his situation is brutal in Stl. But it's not gonna happen. If you are a GM, would you shell out 5 million dollars for an 8 game rental plus a 3rd round draft pick? And your team is built to pass, not run. And you are already winning.

GB would be thinking this would help add about 2-3 more games to their season....

Really? Let's look at GB's remaining schedule:Week9: ARI

Week 10: Bye

Week 11: @Det

Week 12: @NYG

Week 13: Minn

Week 14: Det

Week 15: @Chi

Week 16: Ten

Week 17: @Minn

Weeks 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17 are all weak defenses against the pass. What makes you think Coach will take the ball out of Rodger's hands in those situations? Maybe week 15 @Chi is their toughest matchup. GB does not have need nor will they pay 3 million for a 8 game rental RB where they will surely throw in every game.

What about post-season when GB has to face the cream that rose to the top? They will not win a SB with Green. Someone will absolutely sell out and dare Green to beat them, which IMO, he cannot. Rodgers is far from invincible. He was exposed earlier in the season and even last week when he was missing a weapon. I posted it in the Green thread, but something eventually has to give. They are winning now but it isn't sustainable with no legitimate run game. Whether is be Green picking it up, Starks resurrecting his career, White surprising us or SJax signing, something has to change if they want to make it to and win a SB. An Sjax signing gives them by and far the best odds of doing so.

Why not? They won a Super Bowl with James Starks and Brandon Jackson at RB (a year in which they declined to trade for a RB after an injury to their starter).

For a couple of reasons..IMO, the Starks we saw during the 2010 playoffs (also the Starks we saw last year) was better than the Green we see now. Not by a whole lot tbh, but definitely better. He torched PHI in their first playoff game then went a little quite. Last year, say what you will, but he did average 4+ YPC. Some people may laugh at the statement, but I personally think Starks is better runner than Green but this isn't the topic to debate this.

GB just doesn't seem like the same team that won the SB in 2010 or went on a tear last year personally. The defense has stepped up their game from last year (although worse than the one they boasted in 2010) but the offense just doesn't seem quite the same. Maybe it's the loss of Jennings, but Rodgers looks mortal to me, beatable. Last week with out Jordy, he just looked utterly confused as well. I used to think Rodgers made his WRs look good, not vice versa (their catch percentages last year were insane) but the relationship is more symbiotic than I originally thought.

I'm not saying GB can't make a run and I'm not saying there's a 0% chance they'll win the SB with their current squad but SJax will go a long way to take some pressure off of Rodgers down the stretch. Seriously, do you really think any DC is truly scared of Green right now? If you are planning on stopping GB, stopping Green is on the bottom of your list.

Teams are already selling out against the run. Honestly, they are even more dangerous if Randall Cobb is the running back in a Sproles type role than if Sjax was back there. If they have to I believe they will run this formation in the playoffs. They would save draft picks, save 3 mill and score a ton of points.

I just don't think it's sustainable, not when you're trying to battle your way through the playoffs and to the SB. Like I said up top, they absolutely leaned on Starks to move down the field vs. PHI in the first round of the playoffs two years ago (Rodgers threw for 180 yards). Sometimes, a game plan will call for this. Can they lean on Green or anyone they currently have for that matter to do the same? I'm not sure. So far, I'd say no.

 

[Shutout]

I also believe he stays in Stl. Otherwise you are looking at giving up a 3rd round pick and spending 5 million for 8 games (6 games since it will take 2 games for him to pickup a new offense). I don't care if he's a vet. Every team has their own coded words for play calling. It takes several games for a new player to learn it.

Green Bay does have a week 10 bye so that would mean an extra week to learn the offense.

LOL I get it. You are a hopeful Sjax owner and I know his situation is brutal in Stl. But it's not gonna happen. If you are a GM, would you shell out 5 million dollars for an 8 game rental plus a 3rd round draft pick? And your team is built to pass, not run. And you are already winning.

GB would be thinking this would help add about 2-3 more games to their season....

Really? Let's look at GB's remaining schedule:Week9: ARI

Week 10: Bye

Week 11: @Det

Week 12: @NYG

Week 13: Minn

Week 14: Det

Week 15: @Chi

Week 16: Ten

Week 17: @Minn

Weeks 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17 are all weak defenses against the pass. What makes you think Coach will take the ball out of Rodger's hands in those situations? Maybe week 15 @Chi is their toughest matchup. GB does not have need nor will they pay 3 million for a 8 game rental RB where they will surely throw in every game.

What about post-season when GB has to face the cream that rose to the top? They will not win a SB with Green. Someone will absolutely sell out and dare Green to beat them, which IMO, he cannot. Rodgers is far from invincible. He was exposed earlier in the season and even last week when he was missing a weapon. I posted it in the Green thread, but something eventually has to give. They are winning now but it isn't sustainable with no legitimate run game. Whether is be Green picking it up, Starks resurrecting his career, White surprising us or SJax signing, something has to change if they want to make it to and win a SB. An Sjax signing gives them by and far the best odds of doing so.

Why not? They won a Super Bowl with James Starks and Brandon Jackson at RB (a year in which they declined to trade for a RB after an injury to their starter).

I think their line was protecting Rodgers a lot better back then. I know its heresy for a lot of people around here but in cold weather, in the palyoffs, or just in general, do you think the Packers REALLY want to get into a shootout with the Falcons, Giants, or even the Bears? Matching them point for point is one thing (and IMO, is much more debatable now than in previous years on who has the better offense), but you just don't...Can't! let teams like the giants, Bears, and Falcons pin their ears back on you and bring the rush.

 

[cstu]

I also believe he stays in Stl. Otherwise you are looking at giving up a 3rd round pick and spending 5 million for 8 games (6 games since it will take 2 games for him to pickup a new offense). I don't care if he's a vet. Every team has their own coded words for play calling. It takes several games for a new player to learn it.

He would be owed 3.7 million. I don't believe anyone would give a 3rd round pick mid season. Jerome Bettis is the best comp and he netted a 4th rounder at the beginning of the season. RB's have less value today.

The Packers are a SB contender and RB is easily the worst area on the team. I also think a 3rd is too much but a 4th to get an impact player to make another run at a SB? Absolutely worth it.

There is absolutely zero chance they give up a 4th round pick AND pay SJax $3M this year. Look at what the Pack does with 4th round picks. They drafted and locked up a guy like McMillian for 4 years paying him virtually nothing on the rookie scale. Maybe $3M over the course of those four years, and they have a young defensive starter that whole time. The value is immensely higher using that pick than trading for a near-depleted RB like Jackson when they'll get only a half-season of guaranteed production out of him, and most of which he won't know the offense very well.

The money is a non-issue - they are under the cap and it's a small price to pay for a better chance at a SB.

The money is absolutely an issue. I'd be very confident stating that cash drives far more decisions in the NFL than cap number.

How much money does a SB win - or even playoff wins - generate for the Packers? It seems very short-sighted to horde a few million in cash rather than make a move that makes the team much better.

 

[steelwind]

I also believe he stays in Stl. Otherwise you are looking at giving up a 3rd round pick and spending 5 million for 8 games (6 games since it will take 2 games for him to pickup a new offense). I don't care if he's a vet. Every team has their own coded words for play calling. It takes several games for a new player to learn it.

He would be owed 3.7 million. I don't believe anyone would give a 3rd round pick mid season. Jerome Bettis is the best comp and he netted a 4th rounder at the beginning of the season. RB's have less value today.

The Packers are a SB contender and RB is easily the worst area on the team. I also think a 3rd is too much but a 4th to get an impact player to make another run at a SB? Absolutely worth it.

There is absolutely zero chance they give up a 4th round pick AND pay SJax $3M this year. Look at what the Pack does with 4th round picks. They drafted and locked up a guy like McMillian for 4 years paying him virtually nothing on the rookie scale. Maybe $3M over the course of those four years, and they have a young defensive starter that whole time. The value is immensely higher using that pick than trading for a near-depleted RB like Jackson when they'll get only a half-season of guaranteed production out of him, and most of which he won't know the offense very well.

The money is a non-issue - they are under the cap and it's a small price to pay for a better chance at a SB.

The money is absolutely an issue. I'd be very confident stating that cash drives far more decisions in the NFL than cap number.

How much money does a SB win - or even playoff wins - generate for the Packers? It seems very short-sighted to horde a few million in cash rather than make a move that makes the team much better.

LOL the NFL is not the NBA or MLB. Due to the voilent nature of this sport money is an ABSOLUTE issue and it is THE driving force behind trades. It is even more of an issue when trading for a 29 year old RB with alot of carries that will cost you 3 million and then walk after 2012. No way GM Thompson from GB pulls this trigger.I can see Blount going to GB on his $300,000 remaining salary and it will only cost a 7th rounder. That's about all the major action we will see.

 

[cstu]

If the Packers don't make this deal I'm going to when they lose in the playoffs...that is if they even make it.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Listen GB coul dhave used Jackson the last 3 years - and while I think he still would help them I am not sure it makes sense for them to rent him. I wish they would - we need to build for the future...but I think we are stuck with him playing out the year in st Louis and then walking and we get nothing.

 

[SameSongNDance]

SI.com's Peter King sets the odds of a Steven Jackson trade at "55 percent."

We believe that's on the optimistic side. King came up with the percentage based on the opinion of one AFC personnel man. "Even though he's due a lot of money,'' the source said, "he's got real value for a contender because he can still play, and there're a few teams out there that really need a running back." King points to the Packers, Cardinals, and Cowboys as the "logical suspects" to meet the Rams' likely asking price of a third- or fourth-round pick.

The percentage seems a bit arbitrary but I like it.

 

[lbouchard]

GB makes too much sense. Cedric Benson was doing pretty well there. Let that sink in. Cedric Benson. SJax is still a very good RB. He's >>>>>Benson. Packers would be pretty much unstoppable.

 

[SteelerMurf]

GB makes too much sense. Cedric Benson was doing pretty well there. Let that sink in. Cedric Benson. SJax is still a very good RB. He's >>>>>Benson. Packers would be pretty much unstoppable.

This x 1,000,000

 

[jcaleo]

KC sounds right. They need 1 more back getting touches, and keeping it out of the hands of their best offensive weapon....

sorry....that was my frustrated Charles owner rant....

 

[SameSongNDance]

Coach Jeff Fisher insisted Tuesday that Steven Jackson is not going anywhere and is "still our running back"

"It's all rumors," said Fisher. "Let's put that to rest." According to Fisher, the Rams aren't calling other teams, nor are teams calling about a trade for the veteran back. After listening to Fisher's press conference, the Rams website opined, "It really doesn't appear Jackson is going anywhere despite the rumors that are out there."

Fisher pretty much told all SJax owners to go #### themselves. He'll stay and STL and waste away for the year. To be honest, I understand him staying. If I were STL, I wouldn't want to lose SJax and be stuck with the unproven combination of DRich and Pead. He's also obviously a leader in the locker room.

The thing is, I feel like Fisher is straight up lying about what I have in bold. I'm sure someone is calling. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Coach Jeff Fisher insisted Tuesday that Steven Jackson is not going anywhere and is "still our running back"

"It's all rumors," said Fisher. "Let's put that to rest." According to Fisher, the Rams aren't calling other teams, nor are teams calling about a trade for the veteran back. After listening to Fisher's press conference, the Rams website opined, "It really doesn't appear Jackson is going anywhere despite the rumors that are out there."

Fisher pretty much told all SJax owners to go #### themselves. He'll stay and STL and waste away for the year. To be honest, I understand him staying. If I were STL, I wouldn't want to lose SJax and be stuck with the unproven combination of DRich and Pead. He's also obviously a leader in the locker room.

The thing is, I feel like Fisher is straight up lying about what I have in bold. I'm sure someone is calling. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

This is obviously a hash pipe quote by Fisher. What's tips off the lie is him saying nobody is calling inquiring about Jackson. He also said two weeks ago that the team is open to trading veteran contracts. Those were his direct words. Why would nobody inquire about Jackson?Sounds like these offers that are being reported are not what they had hoped to get and he's saving his and SJ's face.

 

[cstu]

Coach Jeff Fisher insisted Tuesday that Steven Jackson is not going anywhere and is "still our running back"

"It's all rumors," said Fisher. "Let's put that to rest." According to Fisher, the Rams aren't calling other teams, nor are teams calling about a trade for the veteran back. After listening to Fisher's press conference, the Rams website opined, "It really doesn't appear Jackson is going anywhere despite the rumors that are out there."

Fisher pretty much told all SJax owners to go #### themselves. He'll stay and STL and waste away for the year. To be honest, I understand him staying. If I were STL, I wouldn't want to lose SJax and be stuck with the unproven combination of DRich and Pead. He's also obviously a leader in the locker room.

The thing is, I feel like Fisher is straight up lying about what I have in bold. I'm sure someone is calling. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

This is obviously a hash pipe quote by Fisher. What's tips off the lie is him saying nobody is calling inquiring about Jackson. He also said two weeks ago that the team is open to trading veteran contracts. Those were his direct words. Why would nobody inquire about Jackson?

Sounds like these offers that are being reported are not what they had hoped to get and he's saving his and SJ's face.

Coaches always say this in case the trade doesn't happen.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

When no one bites on the price you're asking for the player you're shopping, your next move is to deny, publicly, that he was ever shopped. PR Spin: 101

 

[Sinn Fein]

update?

 

[yellowdog]

 

[ponchsox]

SJax is still worthless in fantasy.

 

[cstu]

If the Packers don't make this deal I'm going to when they lose in the playoffs...that is if they even make it.

Nice one, Packers.