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Where to draft Portis with the Duckett news? (1 Viewer)

There was a guy who posted a few days ago that someone claiming to be Portis was in his league. The guy claiming to be "Portis", also said Portis would not be the goal line back this year.
Until now. Now, "Portis" will say "Portis" is pissed at "someone" for trading for "Duckett" and that "Portis" will just have to score every time "Portis" touches the ball now. Man, I can't wait to see "Portis" play this year.
 
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There was a guy who posted a few days ago that someone claiming to be Portis was in his league. The guy claiming to be "Portis", also said Portis would not be the goal line back this year.
Isn't it illegal for NFL players to play fantasy football? You know, the whole gambling on your own sport issue.
 
The "goal line vulture" you guys should be worried about is Mike Sellers.

He scored about 7 TDs last season from the TE spot in the jumbo package and this season he's been shifted to FB. He weighs about 270 and runs low to the ground. Saturday against the Jets he ran three consecutive plays and gained 32 yards, right up the gut with LBs bouncing off him. The man is built and runs like a tank. On 3rd and goal at the 1, with him and Duckett in the backfield, it's money in the bank that one of them will score.

 
I'm going to chalk this thread up to the "kneejerk reaction" category until we hear more info.

All we know is squat right now.

 
Prior to this news I had the chance to grab him at the #9 spot and passed. I don't think I would grab him now until the 3rd/4th round in which case he'd never be there since someone will grab him before me. He could offer great value if this is an over reaction but he could end up slowed, RBBC, or on the operating table. I can understand people taking the risk but I wouldn't.

 
There isn't any good news here.. Either Portis shoulder is worse then they are saying or they took Duckett to be a goalline back. Either way no matter how you spin it this isn't looking good for a Portis owner. I am just glad he isn't on any of my teams. This is why you wait to draft..

 
Does either Joe Gibbs or Al Saunders have a history of using a goal line vulture RB? To my knowledge, they do not, but maybe someone else can think of an example.
Yes, Joe Gibbs has used GL specialists in the past. Off the top of my head, Gerald Riggs was the GL back the year they beat the Bills in the SB, I think that was 91. Byner was the HB.
 
I just traded for Portis...gave up Cadillac for him.

As a Skins fan, I say it definitely helps our team. As for a FFL player, the jury is still out. I am sure the Skins will hold a press conference today and address all of our concerns.

 
There was a guy who posted a few days ago that someone claiming to be Portis was in his league. The guy claiming to be "Portis", also said Portis would not be the goal line back this year.
Isn't it illegal for NFL players to play fantasy football? You know, the whole gambling on your own sport issue.
Apparently not. The Washington Post ran a feature article last week about Chris Cooley being a long-time FFer. His big game against Dallas last year gave his opponent (who owned Chris) the FF win. :football:
 
Joe Gibbs is a RB addict, he simply can not get enough of them. He always has been, always will be.Duckett is reinsurance for the primary insurance (Betts), for this year and next. Ladell could get injured 2006, and may be gone as a FA in 2007.Portis is still the main man, that has not changed, the only thing that has changed the past 6 months is the injury. Betts or whomever has always been a threat to vulture TDs. The only issue for me is how much time, if any, will Portis miss. I'm Still taking Clinton top 10, probably 6-7, certainly ahead of Lamont Jordan et al,... and planning accordingly.
With all due respect, the only way Clint sees the endzone this year is if he scores from 20 yards out. Top 10..no way!
Come on DG, you can't really see it this way, can you? Please explain your rationale.
Duckett is a 260 LB RB who is a proven plunger, his success ration is better then Jerome Bettis in short yardage. Portis is 210 and has a banged up shoulder to boot. If the Skins throw a pass for a first down inside the 5..I highly doubt Portis will be on the field. Portis will play the role Warrick Dunn has the last 2 years in Atalanta. Rack up alot of yardage, but not get the TDS. Portis has struggled a bit in GL situations with the Skins the last 2 years anyway. That is Ducketts bread and butter.
 
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I could see the scenario where Portis is still the RB around the 10-5 yard lines, and Duckett is the guy in REAL short yardage situations like from the 1-3 yard lines.

 
Were people scared of Tony Richardson when Priest Holmes was running the ball for KC?Buy low... Be happy you get Portis. I don't think anyone is even close with their guesses for his production this season. He'll be huge.
Answer honestly, are you either of the following?1. Portis owner2. Redskins fanYou're one of these two, fess up to which. :pics:
And you're either a Bills homer or a a McGahee owner...so what?You're kidding yourself if you think McGahee is gonna put up any better numbers than he did last year with that putrid O-line and offense! The only guy I'd want from that lame excuse of a team is Lee Evans since they will have no other choice but to air it out since they'll be 20 pts behind every game. Can McGahee play QB or O-line? Then McGahee MIGHT be >>>>>>>>>> Portis! :confused: :rolleyes:
 
There was a guy who posted a few days ago that someone claiming to be Portis was in his league. The guy claiming to be "Portis", also said Portis would not be the goal line back this year.
Isn't it illegal for NFL players to play fantasy football? You know, the whole gambling on your own sport issue.
Apparently not. The Washington Post ran a feature article last week about Chris Cooley being a long-time FFer. His big game against Dallas last year gave his opponent (who owned Chris) the FF win. :football:
That is interesting, don't you think? I mean, shouldn't that be considered gambling on your own sport, especially with as many games are involved with each owner's team? Even if they don't play for money, it still can create a conflict of interest. I know if I was a coach, I wouldn't want my players doing this.
 
There was a guy who posted a few days ago that someone claiming to be Portis was in his league. The guy claiming to be "Portis", also said Portis would not be the goal line back this year.
Isn't it illegal for NFL players to play fantasy football? You know, the whole gambling on your own sport issue.
Apparently not. The Washington Post ran a feature article last week about Chris Cooley being a long-time FFer. His big game against Dallas last year gave his opponent (who owned Chris) the FF win. :football:
That is interesting, don't you think? I mean, shouldn't that be considered gambling on your own sport, especially with as many games are involved with each owner's team? Even if they don't play for money, it still can create a conflict of interest. I know if I was a coach, I wouldn't want my players doing this.
If a no-money ff league causes a conflict of interest for an NFL player, that player has HUGE problems. Seriously, I don't think there are any professional players that are going to mess up in their real life to win a ff league.
 
I just traded for Portis...gave up Cadillac for him.As a Skins fan, I say it definitely helps our team. As for a FFL player, the jury is still out. I am sure the Skins will hold a press conference today and address all of our concerns.
Was your trade in a Redraft or Dynasty league?
 
There was a guy who posted a few days ago that someone claiming to be Portis was in his league. The guy claiming to be "Portis", also said Portis would not be the goal line back this year.
Isn't it illegal for NFL players to play fantasy football? You know, the whole gambling on your own sport issue.
Apparently not. The Washington Post ran a feature article last week about Chris Cooley being a long-time FFer. His big game against Dallas last year gave his opponent (who owned Chris) the FF win. :football:
That is interesting, don't you think? I mean, shouldn't that be considered gambling on your own sport, especially with as many games are involved with each owner's team? Even if they don't play for money, it still can create a conflict of interest. I know if I was a coach, I wouldn't want my players doing this.
If a no-money ff league causes a conflict of interest for an NFL player, that player has HUGE problems. Seriously, I don't think there are any professional players that are going to mess up in their real life to win a ff league.
Granted, but don't you think there are certain NFL players that do have HUGE problems? It shouldn't be a problem for players, but just the fact that it could create a problem is why it is wrong, IMO.I know the NFL is embracing its FF crowd, but it also has an anti-FF crowd or FF-neutral crowd that could be turned off by this.

Anyway, not trying to hijack here, I just find this surprising.

 
I just traded for Portis...gave up Cadillac for him.As a Skins fan, I say it definitely helps our team. As for a FFL player, the jury is still out. I am sure the Skins will hold a press conference today and address all of our concerns.
Was your trade in a Redraft or Dynasty league?
Redraft. I personally think that the Skins would not sacrifice using a talent like CP on a full time basis. Betts is a FA after this year and has a desire to start, so Duckett is insurance. I think dropping CP to 23rd is absurd unless the guys know he is really out for an indefinite time.
 
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There was a guy who posted a few days ago that someone claiming to be Portis was in his league. The guy claiming to be "Portis", also said Portis would not be the goal line back this year.
Isn't it illegal for NFL players to play fantasy football? You know, the whole gambling on your own sport issue.
Apparently not. The Washington Post ran a feature article last week about Chris Cooley being a long-time FFer. His big game against Dallas last year gave his opponent (who owned Chris) the FF win. :football:
That is interesting, don't you think? I mean, shouldn't that be considered gambling on your own sport, especially with as many games are involved with each owner's team? Even if they don't play for money, it still can create a conflict of interest. I know if I was a coach, I wouldn't want my players doing this.
The NFL is getting more and more involved with FF each year. If the NFL had a problem with it, they wouldn't offer it on their web site and promote the hell out of it.More exposure, more revenue, greater profits.
 
I just traded for Portis...gave up Cadillac for him.As a Skins fan, I say it definitely helps our team. As for a FFL player, the jury is still out. I am sure the Skins will hold a press conference today and address all of our concerns.
Was your trade in a Redraft or Dynasty league?
Redraft. I personally think that the Skins would not sacrifice using a talent like CP on a full time basis. Betts is a FA after this year and has a desire to start, so Duckett is insurance. I think dropping CP to 23rd is absurd unless the guys know he is really out for an indefinite time.
OUCH. :wall:
 
There isn't any good news here.. Either Portis shoulder is worse then they are saying or they took Duckett to be a goalline back. Either way no matter how you spin it this isn't looking good for a Portis owner. I am just glad he isn't on any of my teams. This is why you wait to draft..
Everyone keeps saying this, I do agree. Let's not forget that about 1/2 of people are in dynasty leagues or keeper leagues.
 
There was a guy who posted a few days ago that someone claiming to be Portis was in his league. The guy claiming to be "Portis", also said Portis would not be the goal line back this year.
Isn't it illegal for NFL players to play fantasy football? You know, the whole gambling on your own sport issue.
Apparently not. The Washington Post ran a feature article last week about Chris Cooley being a long-time FFer. His big game against Dallas last year gave his opponent (who owned Chris) the FF win. :football:
That is interesting, don't you think? I mean, shouldn't that be considered gambling on your own sport, especially with as many games are involved with each owner's team? Even if they don't play for money, it still can create a conflict of interest. I know if I was a coach, I wouldn't want my players doing this.
not everyone plays FF for money
 
Portis' value is still very strong in dynasty and keeper formats, imo... and would be a good buy low candidate at the current time. But I don't think many Portis owners would sell low.

Another thing to consider is that in PPR leagues, Portis should still have great value. Offesnive Coordinator Al Saunders passes a ton to his RBs and I don't see Duckett being used much in that regard... so Portis' receptions should still remain quite high, imo.

So really; redraft, non-PPR is where Portis really isn't looking so good. But in many other formats I wouldn't worry about him.

 
Wow, this is awsome news. I have a draft coming up and where I have the 9th slot. Now Portis will likely fall to me in the 2nd. :pickle:

 
There was a guy who posted a few days ago that someone claiming to be Portis was in his league. The guy claiming to be "Portis", also said Portis would not be the goal line back this year.
Isn't it illegal for NFL players to play fantasy football? You know, the whole gambling on your own sport issue.
chris cooley didn't make the his league playoffs last year because of his 3 TD game, he was playing against the guy that owned him :wall:
 
I am not sure I understand the sky is falling thoughts on Portis either. I do not own Portis in any leagues but i do have Betts and Duckett as reserves in a couple of leagues. The price tag (3rd round pick) was not that high to add a decent veteran RB in Duckett. The ownership has always had a win now mentality. Personally i do not think this changes my ranking of Portis much (if at all), Duckett stays about the same, Betts is downgraded for me.

I had Portis in the RB7-RB8 range before Duckett was brought in and I think he stays there.

 
Wow, this is awsome news. I have a draft coming up and where I have the 9th slot. Now Portis will likely fall to me in the 2nd. :pickle:
I've still got to think this through. But I draft at 12/13 this weekend and may consider him there.btw, I don't know where it was seen that FBG has him at RB28, but while not everyone has updated since the news, there are only two 20+ rankings total. (the consensus ranking really won't mean anything til everyone updates)
 
btw, I don't know where it was seen that FBG has him at RB28, but while not everyone has updated since the news, there are only two 20+ rankings total. (the consensus ranking really won't mean anything til everyone updates)
Dodds has him ranked as the 23 RB, but initially had him at 28. You're right, though; other writers on the site have had a more conservative view of Portis's demise so far.
 
Still like to hear Dodds or Joe chime in and explain their collaborative ranking. I think it's insane, and this is not the 'U' homer in me speaking.

 
There isn't any good news here.. Either Portis shoulder is worse then they are saying or they took Duckett to be a goalline back. Either way no matter how you spin it this isn't looking good for a Portis owner. I am just glad he isn't on any of my teams. This is why you wait to draft..
I don't think it is either or. I think that Portis' shoulder is hurt alot more than they let on and made the trade sto get a back who they think is capable of carrying the ball alot. If Portis is healthy... Duckett is almost a non-factor. If Portis wasn't hurt do you think they would have made this trade?
 
FWIW...I just read on the Redskins site that Portis had this same injury in high school and knows what to expect as far as how far he can push it and healing time. With the modern science and drugs these guys have access to I just don't see how a partially seperated shoulder can keep him out for long if any. Hell, give the guy a blast of cortizone or morphine in his shoulder and let 'er rip.

 
I draft 10th in a 12 team redraft league this week. If he's sitting there in the first round I think I pass.

1st round choices would be one of: CWIlliams/RBrown/EJames/LJordan.

But if he is still there at 2.03 he may be hard to pass on as other 2nd round choices would likely be: Wesbrook/KJones/McGahee/Bush/Parker.

Opinions? No ppr in this league.

 
I have them projected:

Portis - 268 car, 1226 yds, 9 TD, 36 rec, 268 yds, 2 TD

Duckett - 118 car, 484 yds, 9 TD, 6 rec, 46 yds, 0 TD

That puts Portis as my #14 RB

Luckily, I don't draft until the middle of next week, so there's time for more info to come out and clear this up a bit.

 
I have them projected:

Portis - 268 car, 1226 yds, 9 TD, 36 rec, 268 yds, 2 TD

Duckett - 118 car, 484 yds, 9 TD, 6 rec, 46 yds, 0 TD

That puts Portis as my #14 RB

Luckily, I don't draft until the middle of next week, so there's time for more info to come out and clear this up a bit.
Receiving is where I think many Portis projections differ. Saunders and Skins RBs have said one of the things they've added to the offense is RB screen passes. This might be the main reason some people even had Portis #1 a few weeks ago. I think everyone agrees Portis will lose GL carries with Duckett in the mix. So, I agree, more or less, with your rushing projections. However, I think your receptions are low. I'm not sure he'll get many more rec TDs, but I could see Portis approaching 50 receptions for about 400+ yards. These screens should get Portis into open space where he can do what he does best. I think Portis would be perfectly happy with 17 carries and 3 or 4 receptions per game. He may touch the ball less than the last two years, but the quality of his touches (minus GL carries now with Duckett) could go up.
 
From another thread. I was surprised at the numbers when I did the research.Given the acquisition of Duckett, I think Portis is now entering a potential Barber-like situation. Except that he's not nearly the threat receiving out of the backfield. However, 9 of Portis' 16 rushing TDs over the past two seasons have come from 4 yards or more. He also had 2 receiving TDs and 2 passing TDs in that span. So that's 13 TD's (2 of which are passes) of 4+ yards for Portis in 2004-05 to Tiki's 15 TD's of 4+ yards during the same seasons.If you take away the 4 short TDs Portis scored last year, he still ends up top 10 at RB. Of course, can he be expected to match 2005 when he starts 2006 hobbling?I see him somewhere between RB 8-15. I'll go with #12 if you want an exact number.
I like this analysis, and expect #8 to be more accurate than #12. I see Cooley taking a bigger hit than Portis with Duckett's arrival. Betts value is gone.
 
gbill2004 said:
FBG now has Portis at the #28 RB.
It is things like this remind me of why I did not renew this season.Portis is now a buy low candidate. At least FBG's ranking will be helping me with my purchase.
 
FWIW...I just read on the Redskins site that Portis had this same injury in high school and knows what to expect as far as how far he can push it and healing time. With the modern science and drugs these guys have access to I just don't see how a partially seperated shoulder can keep him out for long if any. Hell, give the guy a blast of cortizone or morphine in his shoulder and let 'er rip.
Partial dislocated shoulder or Sublux not separated.
 
Those of you that are drafting late in the first round, might want to rethink letting Portis slip to the LJ, SA, LT owners.

I don't see this affecting Portis' value much. Cooley and Sellers were getting a lot of inside the 5 TDs last year.

 
Those of you that are drafting late in the first round, might want to rethink letting Portis slip to the LJ, SA, LT owners. I don't see this affecting Portis' value much. Cooley and Sellers were getting a lot of inside the 5 TDs last year.
Hell, Betts got a few, I think, too.
 
Those of you that are drafting late in the first round, might want to rethink letting Portis slip to the LJ, SA, LT owners. I don't see this affecting Portis' value much. Cooley and Sellers were getting a lot of inside the 5 TDs last year.
This right here is how I dominated one league last year. People let Portis slip to me in the 2nd (had the #2 overall pick) to add to SA. :thumbup: I'm the one drafting late this year and trust me. I won't let this happen. :no:
 
I draft 10th in a 12 team redraft league this week. If he's sitting there in the first round I think I pass. 1st round choices would be one of: CWIlliams/RBrown/EJames/LJordan.But if he is still there at 2.03 he may be hard to pass on as other 2nd round choices would likely be: Wesbrook/KJones/McGahee/Bush/Parker.Opinions? No ppr in this league.
Pondering the same thing in tonights draft (#9 slot)
 
WTF is wrong with you people? This is Portis we are talking about. Because Duckett is in town he went from the #4-#5 Rb to a 3rd/4th rounder? I'll take what you guys are smokin'.
The fact that they go out and get a RB after Portis gets hurt doesn't bother you at all?
Not just that, but also Saunders was raving about Betts, and Duckett means they either don't like Betts as much anymore, or the Portis thing is more serious or at least UNKNOWN and they need insurance.I would take him LATE second round at the earliest.
 
I draft 10th in a 12 team redraft league this week. If he's sitting there in the first round I think I pass. 1st round choices would be one of: CWIlliams/RBrown/EJames/LJordan.But if he is still there at 2.03 he may be hard to pass on as other 2nd round choices would likely be: Wesbrook/KJones/McGahee/Bush/Parker.Opinions? No ppr in this league.
Pondering the same thing in tonights draft (#9 slot)
One opinion...I would prefer a top WR like Holt. You should still have a solid RB option in the 3rd.
 
I draft 10th in a 12 team redraft league this week. If he's sitting there in the first round I think I pass. 1st round choices would be one of: CWIlliams/RBrown/EJames/LJordan.But if he is still there at 2.03 he may be hard to pass on as other 2nd round choices would likely be: Wesbrook/KJones/McGahee/Bush/Parker.Opinions? No ppr in this league.
Pondering the same thing in tonights draft (#9 slot)
One opinion...I would prefer a top WR like Holt. You should still have a solid RB option in the 3rd.
We start 2RB/2WR/Flex(RB-WR) so I'm not sure there will be a solid RB left at the end of the third. RBs score more than WR with our scoring so they go fast.
 
stealthrunner said:
Odogs said:
KarmaPolice said:
WTF is wrong with you people? This is Portis we are talking about. Because Duckett is in town he went from the #4-#5 Rb to a 3rd/4th rounder? I'll take what you guys are smokin'.
The fact that they go out and get a RB after Portis gets hurt doesn't bother you at all?
Not just that, but also Saunders was raving about Betts, and Duckett means they either don't like Betts as much anymore, or the Portis thing is more serious or at least UNKNOWN and they need insurance.I would take him LATE second round at the earliest.
Or, they feel they are in position to make a SB and they feel a 3rd-round pick is a reasonable price to pay to help them get there. Duckett will get some carries and TDs because a capable back on the team. However, I don't believe that says a whole lot about Betts or Portis. I think it mostly says something about Duckett and a 2007 3rd-round pick.
 
Shooter McGavin said:
I have them projected:Portis - 268 car, 1226 yds, 9 TD, 36 rec, 268 yds, 2 TDDuckett - 118 car, 484 yds, 9 TD, 6 rec, 46 yds, 0 TDThat puts Portis as my #14 RBLuckily, I don't draft until the middle of next week, so there's time for more info to come out and clear this up a bit.
Eerie. That's almost identical to what I have for both, though I have Portis with two fewer TDs. And those are really tough to predict, in my opinion.
 
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george said:
I draft 10th in a 12 team redraft league this week. If he's sitting there in the first round I think I pass. 1st round choices would be one of: CWIlliams/RBrown/EJames/LJordan.But if he is still there at 2.03 he may be hard to pass on as other 2nd round choices would likely be: Wesbrook/KJones/McGahee/Bush/Parker.Opinions? No ppr in this league.
I'm in the exact same position. I'm thinking there's a real shot for me to take Edge or Caddy in Round 1 and add Portis in round 2. I'd feel good about that combo.
 

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