I'm interested in what you guys think about where DMac will end up next year. I read in another thread that someone anticipates him to not only go to Dallas,... but start there. Is it possible for him to go to Cleveland or maybe Tennessee? What is you guys thoughts on this?
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Where will McFadden go next year? (1 Viewer)
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Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
I think it is damn near impossible to predict which team will draft a particular player before the college season even starts or a NFL draft order is known...
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I have no idea where he will go, but i am pretty sure it wont be Cleveland, they dont have a first round pick.
dgreen
Footballguy
I'll say the Chargers.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Dallas.
They will either be drafting high enough with Cleveland's pick to get him outright or could package both picks to move up to get him.
They will either be drafting high enough with Cleveland's pick to get him outright or could package both picks to move up to get him.
Well,... if this is the case, then Dallas would start D-Mac over Barber and JJones(if he re-signs) right from the get go (barring injury of course)?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think there's a slim chance that Jones is re-signed by the 'Boys.If McFadden were to prove himself ready, I see no reason he couldn't start from day one. I think it would be the identical situation that the Vikings have now with Taylor and Peterson.
Kleck.
Footballguy
I like this early call. Dallas will certainly have the picks and owner to make such a move if need be.
sholditch
Footballguy
Obviously you have never seen this guy play. Normally the SEC is a conference that I shy away from making "best of" statements about. But there is no doubt in my mind that McFadden is not only the best back in the SEC, probably the best to play in the SEC since SA played at Bama, but I'd say he's the best back in the country. 1st overall will be determined team needs of course, but I'd be pretty surprised if he didn't go top 5.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
1. Calling "best" w/ regard the SEC is not something to shy away from. Calling something in SEC football the best is easily defensible.2. SA wasn't even the best RB in the SEC the last time he played at Bama. 3. Easily the best back in the country, and likely top-5 pick.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Other teams that could be possibilities based on need/potential draft position:
Houston
Oakland
Tennessee
Green Bay
Atlanta
Dark horse - New York Giants. There's potential for all the wheels to fall off the wagon for this squad.
Houston
Oakland
Tennessee
Green Bay
Atlanta
Dark horse - New York Giants. There's potential for all the wheels to fall off the wagon for this squad.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Yes, Dallas is the odds on favorite right now with Cleveland's pick, and if neccessary, include their in a package. I'm just not sure that RB is their greatest need. WR probably will be next year.Other teams I'd think in the running (in order of likelihood):Houston - Probably a top 10 pick, Ahman Green is not the futureTennessee - I don't think they'll be in position, but if they are, the VY/McFadden combo would be brutalDetroit - if KJ doesn't return to form, they could have another top pick and need a RBKansas City -
gump
Footballguy
Whoa now...depends on what you mean by "best".Lewis was drafted higher, but SA broke records, led his team to the SEC title, and was 1st team all conference.SA was certainly a better back in 1999...and probably had the "best" year we've seen since then.
sholditch
Footballguy
Interested to hear your best when he was here. Was just discussing this with some football fans here and there were an amazing number of pro-caliber running backs in the SEC at that time. You had Jamal Lewis followed by Travis Henry at Tennessee, Deuce McCallister at Ole Miss, Fred Taylor at Florida, Robert Edwards at Georgia, and I think Rudi Johnson was at Auburn just getting going. Helluva RB crop from one conference. I put SA down cause he's had the best pro-career. Who do you think was the best back outta the SEC?
cowboymouth
Footballguy
3,565 yards rushing (4.9 average) and 41 TD's in basically a 3 year period is pretty freaking good. SA was a beast at the Capstone. To answer the above poster...SA all day with out hesitation.And Dallas will take McFaddy. They'll deal both first rounders to move up and get him. MB3 will be the back up or transistion back until McFaddy gets NFL ready, which should only take a few games. And no, I'm not a dallas homer nor fan.
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I think Houston is possible. I don't think Oakland is a possibility, because they've got Rhodes and drafted MBush and already have LJordan. They won't draft DMac IMO. I think Tennessee is still high on MTurner, they will sign him before the draft next year. Green Bay is a possibility. Atlanta seems appropriate. With a DMac/Norwood attack would be stiff,IMO. Giants. DMac/Jacobs... wow. That's interesting...
Who won't sicne they won't have a high enough pick: San Diego, Indianapolis, Baltimore, Chicago, New Orleans, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Seattle, Denver
Who won't since they won't have a pick: San Francisco, Cleveland
Who may not because of their current RBs: New York Jets, Kansas City, Minnesota, Buffalo, Saint Louis, Washington
*Wildcards: New England, Dallas (both will have two 1st round picks in the upcoming draft)
That leaves (in order of who would be most likey have the opportunity and take him):
Detroit
Houston
Oakland
Green Bay
Tampa Bay
Atlanta
Arizona
New York Giants
Miami
Carolina
Tennessee
Jacksonville
....If I had to put money down, I'd bet one of the top 5
Who won't since they won't have a pick: San Francisco, Cleveland
Who may not because of their current RBs: New York Jets, Kansas City, Minnesota, Buffalo, Saint Louis, Washington
*Wildcards: New England, Dallas (both will have two 1st round picks in the upcoming draft)
That leaves (in order of who would be most likey have the opportunity and take him):
Detroit
Houston
Oakland
Green Bay
Tampa Bay
Atlanta
Arizona
New York Giants
Miami
Carolina
Tennessee
Jacksonville
....If I had to put money down, I'd bet one of the top 5
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harrison74
Footballguy
McFadden is the best college RB ive seen that projects to the NFL, since McGahee pre injury. He is a punisher who still is 20 lbs + of weight to fill out his frame. Just a scary, scary prospect.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
CA_7
Footballguy
Jerry Jones also already showed his cards on this back in April (see post 10 in this thread). If anyone has any new info to this would be happy to hear support for their "opinion"Where did Jerry Jones go to school again.....
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I'm confused why opinion is in quotes. Of course all these posts are just opinion. We're talking about what team will draft what player in about 11 months. But it's pretty obvious to me that Jerry Jones is the type of owner that is going to want the best player from his alma mater in years (and it's not like his alma mater is USC) on his team, positional need or not.Jerry Jones also already showed his cards on this back in April (see post 10 in this thread). If anyone has any new info to this would be happy to hear support for their "opinion"
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
It's a silly mistake to read too much into the JJ quote. He was prompted. The same reporter could have mentioned Brian Brohm, Calais Campbell or Kenny Phillips and JJ may have given the same smirking reply. I saw the interaction, and JJ was just responding to a prompt. He wasn't "showing his hand." The two 1st round picks and the need at RB are more compelling to me than anything JJ said about a stud from his alma mater. I think Aposulli's post is equally compelling:I'm confused why opinion is in quotes. Of course all these posts are just opinion. We're talking about what team will draft what player in about 11 months. But it's pretty obvious to me that Jerry Jones is the type of owner that is going to want the best player from his alma mater in years (and it's not like his alma mater is USC) on his team, positional need or not.Jerry Jones also already showed his cards on this back in April (see post 10 in this thread). If anyone has any new info to this would be happy to hear support for their "opinion"Where did Jerry Jones go to school again.....
I'd take that field over Dallas if we were betting. Finally, McFadden is a terrific talent. I love his game. Marcus Allen with jets. That's exceedingly high praise from me, but we have a long long long way to go and some superb RBs in next year's draft. Slaton isn't far behind McFadden (in fact, I would take him first from what I have seen). He's Reggie Bush part 2. Stewart may realize his potential and become too enticing to pass up like Brown before Williams. I was opposed to those that thought Quinn was a lock for #1 this time last year, and argued he may not be QB1. Same thinking applies here. We have no idea what next year will bring-- injuries, performance, off field shenanigans... long way to go. I'm not anointing anyone. As a Cowboy fan I would celebrate the arrival of McFadden, however.
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Jackal
Footballguy
what you fail to post is that one of the cowboy's picks could be top five and high enough to take him outright. cleveland could be downright horrible once again and the division in which they reside should once again be stiff competition.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Well, any smart bettor would take the field over Dallas at this point. I didn't know you liked Slaton that much. I thought he looked soft at times last year and also seemed to have some fumble problems. It will be interesting to see what happens this year if Devine is there, although I think the odds of him being there and eligible are slim.Chaos Commish said:It's a silly mistake to read too much into the JJ quote. He was prompted. The same reporter could have mentioned Brian Brohm, Calais Campbell or Kenny Phillips and JJ may have given the same smirking reply. I saw the interaction, and JJ was just responding to a prompt. He wasn't "showing his hand." The two 1st round picks and the need at RB are more compelling to me than anything JJ said about a stud from his alma mater. I think Aposulli's post is equally compelling:ConstruxBoy said:I'm confused why opinion is in quotes. Of course all these posts are just opinion. We're talking about what team will draft what player in about 11 months. But it's pretty obvious to me that Jerry Jones is the type of owner that is going to want the best player from his alma mater in years (and it's not like his alma mater is USC) on his team, positional need or not.CA_7 said:Jerry Jones also already showed his cards on this back in April (see post 10 in this thread). If anyone has any new info to this would be happy to hear support for their "opinion"
I'd take that field over Dallas if we were betting. Finally, McFadden is a terrific talent. I love his game. Marcus Allen with jets. That's exceedingly high praise from me, but we have a long long long way to go and some superb RBs in next year's draft. Slaton isn't far behind McFadden (in fact, I would take him first from what I have seen). He's Reggie Bush part 2. Stewart may realize his potential and become too enticing to pass up like Brown before Williams. I was opposed to those that thought Quinn was a lock for #1 this time last year, and argued he may not be QB1. Same thinking applies here. We have no idea what next year will bring-- injuries, performance, off field shenanigans... long way to go. I'm not anointing anyone. As a Cowboy fan I would celebrate the arrival of McFadden, however.
Willie Mays Hayes
Footballguy
Eh, get informed!1) Devine has already qualified.Well, any smart bettor would take the field over Dallas at this point. I didn't know you liked Slaton that much. I thought he looked soft at times last year and also seemed to have some fumble problems. It will be interesting to see what happens this year if Devine is there, although I think the odds of him being there and eligible are slim.Chaos Commish said:It's a silly mistake to read too much into the JJ quote. He was prompted. The same reporter could have mentioned Brian Brohm, Calais Campbell or Kenny Phillips and JJ may have given the same smirking reply. I saw the interaction, and JJ was just responding to a prompt. He wasn't "showing his hand." The two 1st round picks and the need at RB are more compelling to me than anything JJ said about a stud from his alma mater. I think Aposulli's post is equally compelling:ConstruxBoy said:I'd take that field over Dallas if we were betting. Finally, McFadden is a terrific talent. I love his game. Marcus Allen with jets. That's exceedingly high praise from me, but we have a long long long way to go and some superb RBs in next year's draft. Slaton isn't far behind McFadden (in fact, I would take him first from what I have seen). He's Reggie Bush part 2. Stewart may realize his potential and become too enticing to pass up like Brown before Williams. I was opposed to those that thought Quinn was a lock for #1 this time last year, and argued he may not be QB1. Same thinking applies here. We have no idea what next year will bring-- injuries, performance, off field shenanigans... long way to go. I'm not anointing anyone. As a Cowboy fan I would celebrate the arrival of McFadden, however.
2) Slaton had like 3 fumbles all year. He did have 2 in the Louisville game which is probably on most people's minds but it was linked to an injury to his arm.
T Man
Footballguy
McFadden, barring injury, is a top 5 talent. But RBs seem to be valued more in fantasy then real life. So while I think he is a top 5, that puts him in the top 10 to be drafted due to his position.My top 5 guesses are:
Dallas -- Jones will be gone. Dallas has two picks. And Jerry Jones is a Razorback.
Jacksonville -- I like Drew, but he is not a big back. McFadden is the real deal.
Tennessee -- They have drafted RB the last two years, but it looks like White will not stay in shape. If he can't carry the load and the rookie is not great, look for McFadden to be on the Titan's list.
New England -- this all depends on the recovery time and the nature of the injury to their RB, but with two picks they can make a move.
Atlanta -- If they decide after this offseason not to go QB, Petrino likes a big one back. McFadden fits that role better then anyone currently on the roster.
Phlash
Footballguy
I'll be happy when the myth that Jones-Drew is too small to play is finally gone. He plays like he's 6'1, 230lbs... doesn't matter at all to me that he's 5'8".
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Can't believe the haters are still around after a phenomenal season. Almost as bad as the Reggie Bush ###-kissers.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
1) I don't mean to play college football in terms of NCAA. I meant in terms of going to classes per WVU rules. Gwantley had some trouble with that.2) My impression is that Slaton showed that he didn't have the heart I would like to see if I was going to pick him #1, like Chaos suggested. Guess we'll see.Eh, get informed!1) Devine has already qualified.Well, any smart bettor would take the field over Dallas at this point. I didn't know you liked Slaton that much. I thought he looked soft at times last year and also seemed to have some fumble problems. It will be interesting to see what happens this year if Devine is there, although I think the odds of him being there and eligible are slim.Chaos Commish said:It's a silly mistake to read too much into the JJ quote. He was prompted. The same reporter could have mentioned Brian Brohm, Calais Campbell or Kenny Phillips and JJ may have given the same smirking reply. I saw the interaction, and JJ was just responding to a prompt. He wasn't "showing his hand." The two 1st round picks and the need at RB are more compelling to me than anything JJ said about a stud from his alma mater. I think Aposulli's post is equally compelling:ConstruxBoy said:I'm confused why opinion is in quotes. Of course all these posts are just opinion. We're talking about what team will draft what player in about 11 months. But it's pretty obvious to me that Jerry Jones is the type of owner that is going to want the best player from his alma mater in years (and it's not like his alma mater is USC) on his team, positional need or not.CA_7 said:Jerry Jones also already showed his cards on this back in April (see post 10 in this thread). If anyone has any new info to this would be happy to hear support for their "opinion"Where did Jerry Jones go to school again.....
I'd take that field over Dallas if we were betting. Finally, McFadden is a terrific talent. I love his game. Marcus Allen with jets. That's exceedingly high praise from me, but we have a long long long way to go and some superb RBs in next year's draft. Slaton isn't far behind McFadden (in fact, I would take him first from what I have seen). He's Reggie Bush part 2. Stewart may realize his potential and become too enticing to pass up like Brown before Williams. I was opposed to those that thought Quinn was a lock for #1 this time last year, and argued he may not be QB1. Same thinking applies here. We have no idea what next year will bring-- injuries, performance, off field shenanigans... long way to go. I'm not anointing anyone. As a Cowboy fan I would celebrate the arrival of McFadden, however.
2) Slaton had like 3 fumbles all year. He did have 2 in the Louisville game which is probably on most people's minds but it was linked to an injury to his arm.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Heart? He's all heart, #$%@!$#! [/Rod Tidwell]Slaton played most of the season with a painful wrist injury that required surgery as soon as the season was over. In compensating, he lost his stiff arm and some of his balance, which was awesome his freshman year. He had to change the way he caught the ball, and did a great job. He had to be very careful how he fell all year. It made him a less instinctive runner (by his own admission). Yet he still went for 1700+ @ 7 yards a pop for 16 TDs. He is acclaimed by the staff (and many observers) for being very physical for his size, and his toughness isn't questionable. He did suffer a deep thigh bruise (in a freak accident preparing for his bowl game last year), but it was the kind of thing that happens to anyone it happens to. His 6 TD performance as a frosh against Louisville in multiple OTs was an amazing display of power running, endurance, blazing speed and amazing moves. He doesn't have great hands, he has phenomenal hands. He also won some award for his off-season work ethic being tops on the team. I love me some RBs next year, and praising Slaton like this should not be misconstrued as criticism of McFadden (who is very versatile and talented), but I personally think some of the stuff Slaton excels at translates a little more positively (particularly the Bush-like WR skills). Long way to go.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
While Lewis did go substantially higher (a pretty good indication of what NFL team's thought of the 2 guys), it's easy to overlook that he lost 790 rush yards and 8 touchdowns to Travis Henry. In fact, Fulmer encouraged Lewis to enter the draft because Henry (5.5 ypa career) was going to get the load the next season. If you had to ask me who the best RB in the SEC was that season, it was Travis Henry. That said, if you are looking at it in hindsight and with the benefit of some NFL seasons between then and now, the Alexander argument is easy to make, and it easily places me in a position to be ridiculed.Alexander in 1999 was very good, and watching him beat the Gators was an electrifying moment. And he has had a very good pro career. But he was not the best back in the SEC that season - Travis Henry was.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
This should be a fun college season over at NFLDraftguys.Heart? He's all heart, #$%@!$#! [/Rod Tidwell]Slaton played most of the season with a painful wrist injury that required surgery as soon as the season was over. In compensating, he lost his stiff arm and some of his balance, which was awesome his freshman year. He had to change the way he caught the ball, and did a great job. He had to be very careful how he fell all year. It made him a less instinctive runner (by his own admission). Yet he still went for 1700+ @ 7 yards a pop for 16 TDs. He is acclaimed by the staff (and many observers) for being very physical for his size, and his toughness isn't questionable. He did suffer a deep thigh bruise (in a freak accident preparing for his bowl game last year), but it was the kind of thing that happens to anyone it happens to. His 6 TD performance as a frosh against Louisville in multiple OTs was an amazing display of power running, endurance, blazing speed and amazing moves. He doesn't have great hands, he has phenomenal hands. He also won some award for his off-season work ethic being tops on the team. I love me some RBs next year, and praising Slaton like this should not be misconstrued as criticism of McFadden (who is very versatile and talented), but I personally think some of the stuff Slaton excels at translates a little more positively (particularly the Bush-like WR skills). Long way to go.
What is your opinion on Devine?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I read he bulked up some and he needed to. Um, all I have to go on are the crazy high school highlights and media coverage. He sure looks like a possibility for the next "next Barry Sanders" though I doubt there ever will be another Barry. If I think Slaton and McFadden have a long way to go, well... I'll be patient with Devine (and hopeful he overcomes the perceived character issues).
gump
Footballguy
Great point. Phat's opinion means much more than being the SEC Player of Year, 1st team All American, the SEC TD record, and all those meaningless stats and victories.Is my sarcasm alarm down?
sholditch
Footballguy
Well, I will never admit that in a million years since Henry was at Big Orange under the great pumpkin. I know Lewis and Henry were great but SA, at least down hyeah in Bama, was the story in football.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
"Phat"....ah, you must be an Alabama fan. Sorry about that. Enjoy being 6-7 again...next time you guys cheat, try a little harder not to get caught. It really kills a program for years to come. :XGreat point. Phat's opinion means much more than being the SEC Player of Year, 1st team All American, the SEC TD record, and all those meaningless stats and victories.Is my sarcasm alarm down?
gump
Footballguy
I should have known I was debating with a UcheaTer...."Phat"....ah, you must be an Alabama fan. Sorry about that. Enjoy being 6-7 again...next time you guys cheat, try a little harder not to get caught. It really kills a program for years to come.Great point. Phat's opinion means much more than being the SEC Player of Year, 1st team All American, the SEC TD record, and all those meaningless stats and victories.Is my sarcasm alarm down?
But even for a Vol, this argument is a stretch...similiar to Phat's Big and Talls....
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Why do you feel the Cleveland pick will be high enough to take McFadden?The Browns are much stronger in multiple areas:
Offensive line
- OG free agent Eric Steinbeck at OLG replaces in-effective Joe Andruzzi (cut lukemia).
- Pro Bowl alternate OC Hank Fraley acquired eight days before the start of last season and who got better as the season progressed.
- ORT Ryan Tucker out seven games last year with depression. Tucker graded higher than any Brown offensive lineman last year. His loss was a huge blow. Tucker is back and in reportedly good mental condition, should easily win the starting ORT position or could move inside to be a HUGE upgrade over in-effecitve Cosey Coleman who started at ORG last year and who was cut along with Andruzzi this off-season.
- OC/OG swingman Seth McKinney who sat out last year with an injury but he is someone whom Phil Savage had in his sights on since they both came from Baltimore. Seth reportedly is looking good and may win the ORG slot outright or even challenge Fraley at center.
Their is even a glimmer of hope that La Charles Bently will make it back later this season.
- The biggest upgrade is OLT Joe Thomas drafted with the thrid pick in the draft.
From Bloom: http://nfldraftguys.com/rankings/2007_Draf...kings_Bloom.php
From Baca: http://nfldraftguys.com/rankings/2007_NFL_...nkings_Baca.php
Joe Thomas will allow the Browns to move OLT Shafer to ORT or even inside to ORG. Thomas will also free Winslow up to run deeper patterns as he won't have to make chip blocks or stay in to double up DEs. Joe Thomas paired with Eric Stienbeck will make the left side the dominant side of the Browns offensive line which bodes well for the running game and specifically free agent RB signee Jamal Lewis.
- RB Jamal Lewis ran for a full yard more per carry behind Jon Ogden on the left side of Baltimore's offensive line. Jamal has more speed and is more durable than Reuben Droughns. Lewis is 15lbs under his weight of 250lbs and is faster/quicker. Lewis suffered painful bone spurs last year but had them cleared out. Lewis is an upgrade over Droughns.
Switching gears to defense. Last year the Browns drafted an influx of three rookie LBs in the complex 3-4 New England defense that Romeo Crennel has installed. At this time last year the defense overcame the expectant growing pains and worked through them but won't face that task this year.
Linebacking unit
- Top pick LB Kamerion Whimbley racked up 11 sacks as a full-time starting stud from the get go.
- Second round draft pick ILB D'Qwell Jackson started in the middle early last year and was the top tackler on the team.
- Fourth round draft pick LB Leon Williams started late last year filling in for an injured D'Qwell in hte middle and looked even better than D'Qwell.
- Free agent pass rushing OLB Antowain Peek should bookend Kamerion Whimbley. Peek played under DC Ted Granthan so he comes in already knowing the system and Granthan knows how to best utilize his pass rushing skills.
Secondary
Last year both starting CBs ended up on IR, Gary Baxter and Daylon McCutcheon who got cut this off-season.
- CB Gary Baxter 'supposedly' is recovering.
- CB Leigh Bodden got an opportunity and emerged as a solid CB starter on one side.
- Second round CB Eric Wright has looked sensational and reportedly has already won the starting CB position opposite of Bodden.
- SS Sean Jones emerged as a stud and should have made the Pro Bowl last year.
- FS Brodney Poole turned in a solid performance in his first year back from injury and more is expected from him.
The defenisive line
Beset with injuries and age got no high priced free agent or highly tauted draft picks but even sans big name sighings this unit is improved.
- DE Orpheous Roye is back healthy.
- Free agent acquisition DE Robaire Smith played under DC Granthan and is a solid vet.
- Free agent NT Saun Smith from Cincinatti, early reviews are posititive but unproven.
Overall defense
Depth accumulated in three years along with the same defensive scheme being run having overcome some growing pains and injuries shows that the Browns defense is improved. If Peek brings heat opposite Whimbley and if the CBs are what the early returns indicate and the NT position is just marginally upgraded or solidified then the Browns defense will grade above the middle of the league by season's end if not higher.
Offense
QB position
- QB Charlie Frye was gifted the job without any competition last year is entering his third year but has legit competition. He should be pushed to excel or out the door but he at least has competition this year for the starting job.
- QB Derek Anderson has looked the best in camp and if Romeo is true to his word in awarding the starting job to the best performer then DA should be the early starter for the Browns.
- First round pick QB Brady Quinn will get his shot later this season unless either Frye or Anderson blow up will most likely hold out and be set back.
The QB position is improved from last year at this time based on the fact that the team is not entirely dependant on improving the QB production soley from Charlie Frye coming off an so-so rookie campaign. Peripheral upgrades to the offensive line and a better running game should benefit all of the competitors to start at QB, now just one has to emerge, or at the very least to play average to improve the sub-standard production from Frye/Anderson last year.
I won't even bring up KWII or Braylon Edwards or Jerome Harrison/Travis Wilson/etc et el... but Baylon wasn't even cleared to practice off of his ACL injury last year, same with KWII and Wilson was a rookie and Joe J. suffered through a back injury so the receivers are unquestionably vastly improved over this time last year.
So for the folks who claim the first round pick given up by the Cleveland Browns will be a top five or higher pick next year, what you are basing your claim on?
Even with the improvement the Browns are not a top team. Its reasonable to project that they'll finish at 7-9 which will put the pick given up for Quinn next year in the 15 range. The Cowboys won't be able to take McFadden at 15. If Browns would have been looking at fifteenth pick in the first round next year then the top QBs will be off the board by fifteen. Having Brady Quinn now means next year at this time Quinn will be under contract with a full season versed in the offense/working with teammates/coaches/etc which would put him miles ahead of next year's rookie QB class at this time next year.
The Browns are improved. Their is no factual basis to suggest the pick they traded to attain Quinn will be a top five pick or higher next year but I'd love to hear anyone who feels they have objective factual evidence to the contrary.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Browns should give Bracie a PR job. Wow.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
1) They play in a division with Steelers, Bengals, & Ravens and will be lucky to get 1 win total vs those teams.2) There is a reason they have been drafting at the top of the draft for the last 3 years.
3) There is NO factual basis to suggest they will be better next year, only speculation on your part as to how the new players they brought in will fit into the browns scheme (or lack there of).
4) The only factual evidence around is to look at what they have done the last couple of years (Absolutley nothing). Plenty of teams bring in new players, not many make huge improvements over the last years records.
5) Derek Anderson is said to be looking the best of your QBs in camp
This was a weak Draft and the Browns traded their #1 next year for Brady Quinn. Not a good move IMO. He won't improve the Browns this year. If they really wanted a QB they should have waited till next years draft. Much more tallent at that position next year.
As for McFadden. Guy will be a stud and I would not be suprissed if they Cowboys made a run at him.
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ebcpastor2004
Footballguy
Seriously-- don't ignore the Arkansas connection & Jerry Jones. Remember Jimmy "the hair" Johnson and Barry "swizzle-stick" Switzer. Oh- & McFadden is an UBER-STUD. If the 'Boys have the ability to do it, they'll do it. Couple the new stadium with a semi-local RB idol and this makes total sense as far as a financial investment. & we all know that JJ is all about the
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Have to chime in - this speculation is ridiculous. It's too early to guess where he goes and too early to guess who takes him. If we're going to play this game, let's keep on going (why not!)
1. Atlanta - trades up for Brian Brohm - WHY NOT?
2. Minnesota- Eric Ainge - WHY NOT?
3. Jacksonville - Andre Woodson - Sure thing, WHY NOT?
and on and on and on and on...
Seriously, doesn't it seem at least a little silly to say, "Jerry Jones is from Arkansas... I bet he moves heaven and earth to get McFadden!" especially when he has two decent RBs on the roster now?
1. Atlanta - trades up for Brian Brohm - WHY NOT?
2. Minnesota- Eric Ainge - WHY NOT?
3. Jacksonville - Andre Woodson - Sure thing, WHY NOT?
and on and on and on and on...
Seriously, doesn't it seem at least a little silly to say, "Jerry Jones is from Arkansas... I bet he moves heaven and earth to get McFadden!" especially when he has two decent RBs on the roster now?
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
A little silly? Maybe. But I think it has some purpose. In most years, you have on one hand a list of very good players who may become top 5 picks and on the other hand a list of 5 or so very poor teams. Seldom do the two lists come together until after the season. However, if you have a tiny, reasonable idea that maybe, maybe a decent team could trade up for one of those top 5 picks, doesn't that make him more valuable in keeper leagues in which you can draft college players? Let's say that you think that the two worst teams next year with some RB need will be OAK and CLE (Bracie, please just suspend belief for me man). And the two best RBs will be McFadden and Slaton. And you want to draft one. Doesn't it help to know that one of those two might get drafted by a decent team trading up? If all things are equal, wouldn't you draft that player over the other player? I think that very slight informational differences like this can make a pretty big difference in a fantasy league.
Franchise Playa
Footballguy
Its a matter of knowing that Jerry Jones is a mover and shaker would he be satisfied being a decent team with an "ok" running game...or take a chance to be a "great to outstanding" team with Mcfadden? If he is not sold on either being their guy of the future then why not go after him? You can't say the backs he has now are making a case for Jones not to trade up when the draft hits....I don't know if Mcfadden is the man or not but he looks more impressive than what Jerry Jones has now. We will see this year.
