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Which backup rookie RB are you most excited about? (1 Viewer)

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Zeke is obviously the best rookie option, so no point in discussing him here. There seem to be a lot of rookies coming into promising depth-chart situations who could definitely pull a Rawls and take over the job by mid-season. Off the top of my head:

  • Perkins (NYG)
  • Henry (TEN)
  • Washington (OAK)
  • Prosise (SEA)
  • Collins (SEA)
  • Dixon (BAL)
  • Ferguson (IND)
  • Smallwood (PHI)
  • Howard (CHI)
  • Booker (DEN)
  • Marshall (WAS)
  • Drake (MIA)
Feel free to add any I missed. From that list, I'm targeting Ferguson, Washington, Perkins and maybe Prosise/Dixon. And by "targeting", I mean keeping an eye on them during the preseason to see how they perform and what happens with their team's depth chart (fortunately, my leagues draft late). My hope is that I can grab one of them with my final (non-K/DST) pick, maybe a round or two earlier if necessary. But I readily admit I don't know a ton about any of them.

Anyone have good background info/strong feelings on these dudes?

 
Washington and Henry for opposite reasons. I really don't think much of Murray but the Raiders offense is a great situation. I don't really like the Titans offense but Henry is an interesting talent.

 
Marshall because I drafted him.

I think he has the talent and although Matt Jones is in front of him right now, I think Matt is JAG.

So opportunity is right there I think.

 
Yeah, that seems to be the common thread for the ones I like. Washington, Marshall and Perkins are all behind JAGs. So is Dixon, to an extent, although in his case there are like three JAGs in that backfield. And in Ferguson's case, while Gore is definitely not a JAG, he's 33 and the end usually comes quickly for RBs.

My worry with Henry is that his ceiling is low. I could see him carving out a goal-line role and making himself useful, but I don't see him taking over unless Murray has a season-ender. Prosise is in kind of a similar situation, but I feel like a third-down back has more upside than a GL back.

 
OP asked about rookies right?

I like Dixon, Henry, Perkins, Washington, some more than others, but they are being more highly valued. I mean, Henry and Washington are even being drafted in redrafts regularly before the final rounds. They don't fit the Rawls mold. I like the following guys mostly because they can be had with a late-mid 2nd round or later dynasty pick, and are mostly being undrafted in re-drafts.

Howard - I don't think Langford is very good.  I know all about John Fox and his proclivities.  But, if there are injuries or Langford disappoints, Howard has the talent.

Marshall - I don't think Jones is very good.

Ferguson - His situation is very similar to Rawls from last season.

 
I like Ferguson, Smallwood and Howard for redraft purposes (not dynasty necessarily)

Ferguson - great tools, good offense, behind old rb

Smallwood - behind glass rb(Matthews) and rb friendly system

Howard - best RB on the team IMHO

 
Henry has legitimate hall of fame talent.  He could be a better version of eddie george. He can catch the ball like a tight end, has the size and power to plow over people, cut back surprisingly well for his size, and has breakaway speed for a guy his size.  Hes getting the lesser half of the carries in a split with murray for now but that vould easily change.  Has value even if it doesn't.

Dixon is an ideal fit for the ravens.  He is a strong receiver which is needed in the trestman offense, has joystick moves, and he finishes runs strong.  He has to work his way up which may take some time but hes really good.

Perkins is stuck behind jennings for now but could easily make a move.  Hes a slasher and one of the most elusive backs in the draft.  He can catch and score and break long runs - everything you want if he gets a shot - and he played against excellent competition in college.  Preseason will be telling.

Booker has already moved up to second on the depth chart in denver (or 2a/2b with hillman) and kubiak will definitely run the ball a lot and run well.  Good upside if he can beat out cj anderson.  He can catch and run with power and played in a pro style offense.

Prosise has nice size, speed and receiving ability but was a college wr who converted to rb.  He will likely have a role early but might have a clearer path to third down back or maybe a gio role than a true stud rb

Marshall was a stud at georgia until he got hurt.  Look up the word gurshall.  But he got hurt a lot and slipped to the 7th. Great size and speed and he's got a clear path to beating out a seemingly average rb in jones.  He has already gotten some buzz, stock definitely moving up.

Howard is a good runner but not much of a receiver.  Hes not as talented as jeremy hill but hes that kind of back and should have a role in the john fox rbbc offense.  Could get a decent number of tds and is a nice non ppr contributor right away but langford and carey both have roles.  Kind of a low ceiling.

Washington is a straight up bet against latavius murray.  Thats not necessarily a bad bet, hes mediocre.  But washingtom probably is too.  

Alex collins was considered one of the top prospects in the draft until he ran a 40 slower than some of these other guys run a 50.  Hes a marion the barbarian with a little less speed but that might be the physical style carroll needs to replace lynch - if he can get a role in a suddenly crowded backfield.

Smallwood wasn't on anyone's radar until he got drafted in philly to be ryan mathews backup.  Mathews does get hurt a lot and smallwood can catch the ball well so he might have some ppr value even without an injury.  Probably not a long term option but good enough chance to produce in a redraft league.

Drake isnt bad but he went to a bad situation.  Buried on the depth chart and already dinged up, but might get some receiving work if/when foster goes down.

Ervin - see drake

Ferguson - undrafted free agent but they do seem to like him.  Probably wont be ready for action right away but he backs up a really old rb in a really good situation.  

 
Henry has legitimate hall of fame talent.  He could be a better version of eddie george. He can catch the ball like a tight end, has the size and power to plow over people, cut back surprisingly well for his size, and has breakaway speed for a guy his size.  Hes getting the lesser half of the carries in a split with murray for now but that vould easily change.  Has value even if it doesn't.

Dixon is an ideal fit for the ravens.  He is a strong receiver which is needed in the trestman offense, has joystick moves, and he finishes runs strong.  He has to work his way up which may take some time but hes really good.

Perkins is stuck behind jennings for now but could easily make a move.  Hes a slasher and one of the most elusive backs in the draft.  He can catch and score and break long runs - everything you want if he gets a shot - and he played against excellent competition in college.  Preseason will be telling.

Booker has already moved up to second on the depth chart in denver (or 2a/2b with hillman) and kubiak will definitely run the ball a lot and run well.  Good upside if he can beat out cj anderson.  He can catch and run with power and played in a pro style offense.

Prosise has nice size, speed and receiving ability but was a college wr who converted to rb.  He will likely have a role early but might have a clearer path to third down back or maybe a gio role than a true stud rb

Marshall was a stud at georgia until he got hurt.  Look up the word gurshall.  But he got hurt a lot and slipped to the 7th. Great size and speed and he's got a clear path to beating out a seemingly average rb in jones.  He has already gotten some buzz, stock definitely moving up.

Howard is a good runner but not much of a receiver.  Hes not as talented as jeremy hill but hes that kind of back and should have a role in the john fox rbbc offense.  Could get a decent number of tds and is a nice non ppr contributor right away but langford and carey both have roles.  Kind of a low ceiling.

Washington is a straight up bet against latavius murray.  Thats not necessarily a bad bet, hes mediocre.  But washingtom probably is too.  

Alex collins was considered one of the top prospects in the draft until he ran a 40 slower than some of these other guys run a 50.  Hes a marion the barbarian with a little less speed but that might be the physical style carroll needs to replace lynch - if he can get a role in a suddenly crowded backfield.

Smallwood wasn't on anyone's radar until he got drafted in philly to be ryan mathews backup.  Mathews does get hurt a lot and smallwood can catch the ball well so he might have some ppr value even without an injury.  Probably not a long term option but good enough chance to produce in a redraft league.

Drake isnt bad but he went to a bad situation.  Buried on the depth chart and already dinged up, but might get some receiving work if/when foster goes down.

Ervin - see drake

Ferguson - undrafted free agent but they do seem to like him.  Probably wont be ready for action right away but he backs up a really old rb in a really good situation.  
Awesome! This is exactly the kind of post I was fishing for when I started this topic.

 
I've nabbed four of them in my main league:

D.Washington (Oak)

K.Marshall (Was)

T.Ervin (Hou)

D.Washington (Det)

They aren't necessarily my top 4, but I was happy with what it cost to get them. I really wanted Washington from Oakland and Marshall because I think they are talented in their own right and can take over a starting gig this year and for a fraction of the cost of Elliot.

I like Dixon and Henry as talents but I think their situation is tougher and the other owners in my league were simply willing to pay more for them than I.  This Terrance West thing may be for real in Baltimore and I think DeMarco Murray is still too young and talented to write off.

Ervin I grabbed mainly because I am a Miller/Blue owner and I am certain that Blue is JAG.  If Miller gets hurt, I think I may need Ervin because it's a PPR league.  

With Washington from Detroit, it's basically an end of roster lottery ticket. I'm intrigued by his athleticism.  His path is as crowded as anyone's, but other than Riddick, the rest of the guys in front of him have injury history.  He could be one of those guys that no one sees coming but he ends up with a shot due to injury and shows well.  I never would have thought that James Starks would have carved out the career he has. 

 
Also interested in a lot of 2nd year RBs. That was supposed to be the deepest RB class in years and while many made an instant impact, there are still a lot of backs that could breakout. I think we are too quick to cast aside RBs after one year. 

 
Henry has legitimate hall of fame talent.  He could be a better version of eddie george. He can catch the ball like a tight end, has the size and power to plow over people, cut back surprisingly well for his size, and has breakaway speed for a guy his size.  Hes getting the lesser half of the carries in a split with murray for now but that vould easily change.  Has value even if it doesn't.

Dixon is an ideal fit for the ravens.  He is a strong receiver which is needed in the trestman offense, has joystick moves, and he finishes runs strong.  He has to work his way up which may take some time but hes really good.

Perkins is stuck behind jennings for now but could easily make a move.  Hes a slasher and one of the most elusive backs in the draft.  He can catch and score and break long runs - everything you want if he gets a shot - and he played against excellent competition in college.  Preseason will be telling.

Booker has already moved up to second on the depth chart in denver (or 2a/2b with hillman) and kubiak will definitely run the ball a lot and run well.  Good upside if he can beat out cj anderson.  He can catch and run with power and played in a pro style offense.

Prosise has nice size, speed and receiving ability but was a college wr who converted to rb.  He will likely have a role early but might have a clearer path to third down back or maybe a gio role than a true stud rb

Marshall was a stud at georgia until he got hurt.  Look up the word gurshall.  But he got hurt a lot and slipped to the 7th. Great size and speed and he's got a clear path to beating out a seemingly average rb in jones.  He has already gotten some buzz, stock definitely moving up.

Howard is a good runner but not much of a receiver.  Hes not as talented as jeremy hill but hes that kind of back and should have a role in the john fox rbbc offense.  Could get a decent number of tds and is a nice non ppr contributor right away but langford and carey both have roles.  Kind of a low ceiling.

Washington is a straight up bet against latavius murray.  Thats not necessarily a bad bet, hes mediocre.  But washingtom probably is too.  

Alex collins was considered one of the top prospects in the draft until he ran a 40 slower than some of these other guys run a 50.  Hes a marion the barbarian with a little less speed but that might be the physical style carroll needs to replace lynch - if he can get a role in a suddenly crowded backfield.

Smallwood wasn't on anyone's radar until he got drafted in philly to be ryan mathews backup.  Mathews does get hurt a lot and smallwood can catch the ball well so he might have some ppr value even without an injury.  Probably not a long term option but good enough chance to produce in a redraft league.

Drake isnt bad but he went to a bad situation.  Buried on the depth chart and already dinged up, but might get some receiving work if/when foster goes down.

Ervin - see drake

Ferguson - undrafted free agent but they do seem to like him.  Probably wont be ready for action right away but he backs up a really old rb in a really good situation.  
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Nice work, friend.

I only play redraft so I am most interested in which guys have a good chance of receiving a decent number of snaps after Thanksgiving. Love Washington due to situation. I think Booker has the best chance of putting up RB2 numbers in this group this season. Dixon is another with an intriguing outlook for 2016. Perkins should own the job in 2017, but I think this year it's full blown rbbc. Henry is legit but the situation is suboptimal. Howard might vulture some TDs, I don't think Langford is a LT solution in Chicagoland. 

Proise, Marshall, Collins, et al - no interest at this point but monitoring.

 
My top two are definitely Henry and Dixon in that order. I think they're way more talented than the rest of the list and in better situations than most. Camp reports have Henry showing to be a capable receiver, if he can actually add that to his game in the NFL he'll be a monster, especially in a run heavy offense in TEN. Dixon just strikes me as one of those players who doesn't have all the top notch physical skills, but he's just a great football player. Hopefully he gets his chance in BAL before too long.

 
Based on adp data/acquisition cost, Marshall is the best value with huge upside.

 
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Henry has legitimate hall of fame talent.  He could be a better version of eddie george. He can catch the ball like a tight end, has the size and power to plow over people, cut back surprisingly well for his size, and has breakaway speed for a guy his size.  Hes getting the lesser half of the carries in a split with murray for now but that vould easily change.  Has value even if it doesn't.

Dixon is an ideal fit for the ravens.  He is a strong receiver which is needed in the trestman offense, has joystick moves, and he finishes runs strong.  He has to work his way up which may take some time but hes really good.

Perkins is stuck behind jennings for now but could easily make a move.  Hes a slasher and one of the most elusive backs in the draft.  He can catch and score and break long runs - everything you want if he gets a shot - and he played against excellent competition in college.  Preseason will be telling.

Booker has already moved up to second on the depth chart in denver (or 2a/2b with hillman) and kubiak will definitely run the ball a lot and run well.  Good upside if he can beat out cj anderson.  He can catch and run with power and played in a pro style offense.

Prosise has nice size, speed and receiving ability but was a college wr who converted to rb.  He will likely have a role early but might have a clearer path to third down back or maybe a gio role than a true stud rb

Marshall was a stud at georgia until he got hurt.  Look up the word gurshall.  But he got hurt a lot and slipped to the 7th. Great size and speed and he's got a clear path to beating out a seemingly average rb in jones.  He has already gotten some buzz, stock definitely moving up.

Howard is a good runner but not much of a receiver.  Hes not as talented as jeremy hill but hes that kind of back and should have a role in the john fox rbbc offense.  Could get a decent number of tds and is a nice non ppr contributor right away but langford and carey both have roles.  Kind of a low ceiling.

Washington is a straight up bet against latavius murray.  Thats not necessarily a bad bet, hes mediocre.  But washingtom probably is too.  

Alex collins was considered one of the top prospects in the draft until he ran a 40 slower than some of these other guys run a 50.  Hes a marion the barbarian with a little less speed but that might be the physical style carroll needs to replace lynch - if he can get a role in a suddenly crowded backfield.

Smallwood wasn't on anyone's radar until he got drafted in philly to be ryan mathews backup.  Mathews does get hurt a lot and smallwood can catch the ball well so he might have some ppr value even without an injury.  Probably not a long term option but good enough chance to produce in a redraft league.

Drake isnt bad but he went to a bad situation.  Buried on the depth chart and already dinged up, but might get some receiving work if/when foster goes down.

Ervin - see drake

Ferguson - undrafted free agent but they do seem to like him.  Probably wont be ready for action right away but he backs up a really old rb in a really good situation.  
Well done!

 
The Giants don't view Perkins as a lead back type. Although they didn't view Bradshaw that way either.

 
The Giants don't view Perkins as a lead back type. Although they didn't view Bradshaw that way either.
GM Jerry Reese after the selection of Perkins:

"All-around player. He can run it. He can catch it. He can block. ... People say he doesn't have homerun speed, but I saw him on an 82-yard touchdown against Colorado. Really good, solid football player. I like him a lot. He's a three-down player."

Vice President of Player Evaluation Marc Ross on Perkins:

"... he is a complete back, he has great vision, he has got one-cut quickness, excellent hands, competitive in the blocking game and outstanding off the field, so those were his traits we were attracted by."

http://www.bigblueview.com/2016/7/5/12089042/ny-giants-90-man-roster-preview-rb-paul-perkins

 
bostonfred said:
Henry has legitimate hall of fame talent.  He could be a better version of eddie george. He can catch the ball like a tight end, has the size and power to plow over people, cut back surprisingly well for his size, and has breakaway speed for a guy his size.  Hes getting the lesser half of the carries in a split with murray for now but that vould easily change.  Has value even if it doesn't.  I think "hall of fame talent" may be quite a stretch, although I think Henry could be a decent back.  In redrafts, his value is limited with Murray gobbling up a lot of work, but in dynasty leagues, I am all in on Henry.  I am looking forward to seeing Henry this preseason, especially if he gets early work against defensive number ones.

Dixon is an ideal fit for the ravens.  He is a strong receiver which is needed in the trestman offense, has joystick moves, and he finishes runs strong.  He has to work his way up which may take some time but hes really good.  There is a bit of a logjam of mediocrity at the RB position in Baltimore at the moment, but I believe Dixon is more talented than the trio of Forsett, West and Allen, and it is just a matter of time before he moves past them.

Perkins is stuck behind jennings for now but could easily make a move.  Hes a slasher and one of the most elusive backs in the draft.  He can catch and score and break long runs - everything you want if he gets a shot - and he played against excellent competition in college.  Preseason will be telling.  Jennings finished 2015 strong, but he is on the wrong side of 30, never rushed for 1,000, and he has trouble staying out of the trainer's room.  I like Perkins' chances to get a crack at this job at some point this season.  There is a lot about his game I really like, but I am not convinced he can step in as an every down back immediately.  Vereen will continue in his role as the pass-catching back.  I will be watching Perkins this preseason to see how he fares in pass protection and running inside.

Booker has already moved up to second on the depth chart in denver (or 2a/2b with hillman) and kubiak will definitely run the ball a lot and run well.  Good upside if he can beat out cj anderson.  He can catch and run with power and played in a pro style offense.  I doubt Booker beats out Anderson, but he won't have to beat out Anderson to have value.  Booker could have weekly value as Denver's RB2, and the offense may not skip a beat if Anderson falls to injury.  It is nearly impossible to predict injury, but I could see Booker being a beast down the stretch if Anderson goes down.

Prosise has nice size, speed and receiving ability but was a college wr who converted to rb.  He will likely have a role early but might have a clearer path to third down back or maybe a gio role than a true stud rb  Prosise has been limited in Camp, but as a dynasty prospect, Prosise really excites me, and he may be had at a value if he remains quiet this preseason.  Prosise is a dynamic pass catcher who should contribute immediately and has potential to eventually develop as an elite back.

Marshall was a stud at georgia until he got hurt.  Look up the word gurshall.  But he got hurt a lot and slipped to the 7th. Great size and speed and he's got a clear path to beating out a seemingly average rb in jones.  He has already gotten some buzz, stock definitely moving up.  If Marshall's knee holds up and he regains his confidence, he could be the steal of the draft.  Marshall has elite speed, excellent size and is a very intelligent runner.  I am not sold on Matt Jones, so this is a great landing spot for Marshall to make an impact.  Marshall may the back I am most excited to see, aside from Elliott.

Howard is a good runner but not much of a receiver.  Hes not as talented as jeremy hill but hes that kind of back and should have a role in the john fox rbbc offense.  Could get a decent number of tds and is a nice non ppr contributor right away but langford and carey both have roles.  Kind of a low ceiling.  Howard may have to establish himself early on as a short yardage and goal line back, but he has potential as a workhorse, and I am not sold on Langford.  It is easy to be wowed by the tape on Howard.  He is a very talented back.  If Howard can avoid injuries, look for his role to expand.  Howard could be this season's Thomas Rawls.

Washington is a straight up bet against latavius murray.  Thats not necessarily a bad bet, hes mediocre.  But washingtom probably is too.  Latavius Murray has reportedly risen to the challenge, and it does not appear, at least at this early stage, that Washington will push Murray for the starting gig.  We will see how this plays out.  Despite the early reports, I am still not completely sold on Murray.  Washington has a bit of Ray Rice or MJD to his game, and he could develop into that type of back for the Raiders.

Alex collins was considered one of the top prospects in the draft until he ran a 40 slower than some of these other guys run a 50.  Hes a marion the barbarian with a little less speed but that might be the physical style carroll needs to replace lynch - if he can get a role in a suddenly crowded backfield.  Collins has performed very well in Camp with Rawls and Prosise sidelined, and he fits the mold of a Marshawn Lynch/Thomas Rawls back who can run effectively inside and gets North-South in a hurry.  Collins has the makeup of a solid workhorse runner, although there is nothing truly special about his game.  Perhaps the biggest knock on Collins has more to do with the presence of Rawls and Prosise.

Smallwood wasn't on anyone's radar until he got drafted in philly to be ryan mathews backup.  Mathews does get hurt a lot and smallwood can catch the ball well so he might have some ppr value even without an injury.  Probably not a long term option but good enough chance to produce in a redraft league.  Smallwood's development as a receiving back could be stunted playing behind Sproles.  However, playing behind the talented but oft-injured Mathews should mean opportunities as a starter await.  There are similarities to Duke Johnson, both physically and their college production.  There are some who are moving Smallwood down on the boards, but I will withhold judgment until I have seen him this preseason.

Drake isnt bad but he went to a bad situation.  Buried on the depth chart and already dinged up, but might get some receiving work if/when foster goes down.  Drake has legitimate talent, but his injury history scares me.  I doubt he has the durability to ever be a feature runner, but Gase should find a role for the explosive, sure-handed Drake.

Ervin - see drake  A lot of folks may be sleeping on Ervin.  Ervin was the fifth RB drafted this year, and for good reason.  Yes, he is undersized, but there is little depth behind Miller, and the versatile Ervin could carve out a role as a receiving back which will make him a valuable PPR asset, ala Theo Riddick, Charles Sims and Duke Johnson.

Ferguson - undrafted free agent but they do seem to like him.  Probably wont be ready for action right away but he backs up a really old rb in a really good situation.  Ferguson has earned high praise so far, and don't let his undrafted status fool you:  he is a talent.  With underwhelming backups behind Gore, Ferguson could earn a role as the top backup to an aging starter in what should be an improved offense.  Ferguson's real value could come from his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield, where his Sproles-like quickness and agility will make him a mismatch for linebackers.
Nice work, bostonfred!  I added my comments in red.  Preseason football is a time to gather intel on these youngsters, so I am excited for the preseason to get rolling.

I will add Jonathan Williams here.  Williams is a talented back who slipped in the draft due to his foot injury, but has three-down potential.  He is an exciting talent who could establish himself as McCoy's primary backup, despite the addition of Reggie Bush.  He has the injury history plus he was arrested for a DWI this summer, but I am unaware of any significant character concerns with Williams.  As a dynasty prospect, especially, I am very excited about Williams.

 
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bostonfred said:
GM Jerry Reese after the selection of Perkins:

"All-around player. He can run it. He can catch it. He can block. ... People say he doesn't have homerun speed, but I saw him on an 82-yard touchdown against Colorado. Really good, solid football player. I like him a lot. He's a three-down player."

Vice President of Player Evaluation Marc Ross on Perkins:

"... he is a complete back, he has great vision, he has got one-cut quickness, excellent hands, competitive in the blocking game and outstanding off the field, so those were his traits we were attracted by."

http://www.bigblueview.com/2016/7/5/12089042/ny-giants-90-man-roster-preview-rb-paul-perkins
Later in that article:

Dave-Te Thomas of NFL Draft Report wrote that Perkins is "that change-of-pace type who has the receiving skills that could chip into the playing time for the Giants' starting backfield." 

 
Later in that article:

Dave-Te Thomas of NFL Draft Report wrote that Perkins is "that change-of-pace type who has the receiving skills that could chip into the playing time for the Giants' starting backfield." 
Right.  The giants gm and the giants vp of player personnel both specifically used words like all around player, three down player, and complete back.  A guy from scout.com talked about him as a change of pace.  I am more interested in what the giants said than dave te thomas.  And while nobody ever drafts someone and says "he sucks, no idea why we drafted him", the specific words they chose were not praising his elusiveness or receiving ability, but his 3 down ability.  Thats why i pulled those quotes - not because i care about a weeks old article

 
Right.  The giants gm and the giants vp of player personnel both specifically used words like all around player, three down player, and complete back.  A guy from scout.com talked about him as a change of pace.  I am more interested in what the giants said than dave te thomas.  And while nobody ever drafts someone and says "he sucks, no idea why we drafted him", the specific words they chose were not praising his elusiveness or receiving ability, but his 3 down ability.  Thats why i pulled those quotes - not because i care about a weeks old article
The Giants (and I'm saying this as a huge Giants fan) are trying to will Andre Williams into the backup job, I'm not sure I would put my eggs in their RB talent evaluation.

 
CJ Prosise - not really because of Rawls' past injury but I've read he may be used as the pass catching back in hurry-up situations.

 
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Great stuff Fred and socrates. I just have one quibble. 

Drake isnt bad but he went to a bad situation.  Buried on the depth chart and already dinged up, but might get some receiving work if/when foster goes down.  Drake has legitimate talent, but his injury history scares me.  I doubt he has the durability to ever be a feature runner, but Gase should find a role for the explosive, sure-handed Drake.
2016 NFL Draft: Closer look at running back fumble rates, ball security

I am going to assume by sure handed socrates means Drakes abilities as a receiver.

Kenyan Drake

2013 14    targets 12 receptions    135 yards    85.7% catch rate 9.6 ypt    11.3 ypr
2014  6    targets 5 receptions    159 yards    83.3% catch rate 26.5 ypt    31.8 ypr
2015 40    targets 29 receptions    262 yards    72.5% catch rate 6.6 ypt     9.0 ypr

Drakes Total 60 targets 46 receptions 556 yards 77% catch rate 9.3 ypt 12 ypr

This is excellent yards per target although the sample is affected a lot by one big catch in 2014. The catch rate overall is decent, but declined pretty significantly with higher volume of targets, as did his yards per target, to a level that is a bit below average by comparison to other college RB.

For further context here are some more totals using the last 3 seasons of college data:

Duke Johnson Total 104 targets 69 receptions 719 yards 66.3% catch rate 6.9 ypt 10.4 ypr

DeAndre Washington Total 149 targets 105 receptions 998 yards 70% catch rate 6.7 ypt 9.5 ypr

Kenneth Dixon Total 108 targets 78 receptions 937 yards 72.2% catch rate 8.7 ypt 12 ypr

By these numbers all 3 of these RB are better receiving RB than Drake.

Jay Ajayi's college receiving numbers are better than all four of these guys.

Total 84 targets 73 receptions 771 yards 86.9% catch rate 9.2 ypt 10.6 ypr

Miami has a lot of good WR as well as Jay Ajayi, Arian Foster and even Damien Williams is a fairly accomplished receiver as well as being good in pass protection.

I think Drake is a special teams guy, maybe. Don't see much room for him on offense.

 
Great stuff Fred and socrates. I just have one quibble. 

2016 NFL Draft: Closer look at running back fumble rates, ball security

I am going to assume by sure handed socrates means Drakes abilities as a receiver.

Kenyan Drake

2013 14    targets 12 receptions    135 yards    85.7% catch rate 9.6 ypt    11.3 ypr
2014  6    targets 5 receptions    159 yards    83.3% catch rate 26.5 ypt    31.8 ypr
2015 40    targets 29 receptions    262 yards    72.5% catch rate 6.6 ypt     9.0 ypr

Drakes Total 60 targets 46 receptions 556 yards 77% catch rate 9.3 ypt 12 ypr

This is excellent yards per target although the sample is affected a lot by one big catch in 2014. The catch rate overall is decent, but declined pretty significantly with higher volume of targets, as did his yards per target, to a level that is a bit below average by comparison to other college RB.

For further context here are some more totals using the last 3 seasons of college data:

Duke Johnson Total 104 targets 69 receptions 719 yards 66.3% catch rate 6.9 ypt 10.4 ypr

DeAndre Washington Total 149 targets 105 receptions 998 yards 70% catch rate 6.7 ypt 9.5 ypr

Kenneth Dixon Total 108 targets 78 receptions 937 yards 72.2% catch rate 8.7 ypt 12 ypr

By these numbers all 3 of these RB are better receiving RB than Drake.

Jay Ajayi's college receiving numbers are better than all four of these guys.

Total 84 targets 73 receptions 771 yards 86.9% catch rate 9.2 ypt 10.6 ypr

Miami has a lot of good WR as well as Jay Ajayi, Arian Foster and even Damien Williams is a fairly accomplished receiver as well as being good in pass protection.

I think Drake is a special teams guy, maybe. Don't see much room for him on offense.
Fair points, and I would agree that Drake may need to earn his keep, at least initially, on special teams (something he excels at).  I don't know how much you can read into Drake's college numbers.  Drake was limited by injuries and playing in a reserve role behind Lacy, Yeldon and Henry.  I find it interesting that despite his limited use, Drake was the third RB selected in this draft, behind only Elliott and Henry, and it seems doubtful the Dolphins spent a third round pick for a guy they see strictly as a special teams contributor.  In my opinion, Drake was overdrafted; however, he passes the eyeball test: he is explosive and easily plucks the ball out of the air as a receiver.

Saban had high praise for Drake (you expect him to promote his own players, of course): "Kenyan Drake is a unique style player," Saban said prior to Alabama's Pro Day. "He's kind of a specialty guy who is a great receiver, especially as a mismatch guy out of the backfield, but he can also go out and run routes like a receiver. And he does have some potential as a running back, which is his natural position, especially on any kind of space plays. This is a guy that some people are going to covet, especially in style of play that you have right now."

While I have my doubts Drake will prove durable enough to ever be more than a gadget player (perhaps he can be the lightning to Ajayi's thunder) and special teamer, I do like his potential fit in Gase's offense, and neither Ajayi (a fifth round pick a year ago due to health concerns) nor Foster (a 30-year-old injury-prone running back coming off a ruptured Achilles) are what I consider durable players either.

In fairness, and to your point, both Foster and Ajayi are good receiving backs, so it is not as if the Dolphins have a need for a third-down back, and I don't expect Drake to overtake Foster and Ajayi on the depth chart, so Drake's contributions on offense, barring injuries ahead of him, may be minimal this season.  Nevertheless, Drake remains a RB I will be monitoring closely this preseason, and he could find the field in a change-of-pace role.

Edit to add:  Your point about ball security should not be overlooked either.  Drake will quickly find the doghouse if he does not improve his ball security and pass protection.  He is undoubtedly a prospect with his share of concerns, but he can also be a dynamic playmaker, and I believe Gase is the kind of creative offensive mind to design plays to isolate Drake in space to take advantage of his skill set.

 
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Certainly possible, but more and more, I take Rotoworld's speculation with a grain of salt.  Did they provide any reasoning to support their speculation?
http://www.numberfire.com/nfl/player-news/26950/jordan-howard-hasn-t-earned-role-in-bears-backfield

Jordan Howard hasn't earned role in Bears' backfield

Chicago Bears fifth-round running back Jordan Howard isn't guaranteed to "push his way into the lineup," according to Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune.

WHAT IT MEANS:

Biggs' comments came prior to Thursday's preseason opener, which saw Howard play behind Jeremy Langford, Jacquizz Rodgers and Ka'Deem Carey on the Bears' depth chart. Reports this offseason suggested that the rookie would play a significant role during his first year in the league, forming a committee in Chicago's backfield with incumbent Jeremy Langford. However, Langford was the clear starter on Thursday, and Howard appears to have his work cut out for him in terms of earning a relevant role on the offense.

Our models are a bit more optimistic on Howard, currently ranking him as the 47th-best fantasy option at running back. We peg him at 93 rushes for 356 yards and 2.37 scores on the ground, as well as 36 receptions for 310 yards and 1.17 receiving touchdowns.

Source: Rotoworld.com

 
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/news/83962/jordan-howard-establishes-position-preseason-opener.php

Jordan Howard establishes position in preseason opener

By Jameson King, Bears Correspondent, Fri, Aug 12th 1:54am EDT

Jordan Howard rushed a total of five times for 12 yards Thursday evening in a lackluster 0-22 loss to the Denver Broncos. The Bears tested their depth options against the Broncos after designating Jeremy Langford to the bench early in the first half. As expected, it appears Howard and Ka'Deem Carey are Bears top options beyond Langford. Carey, however, appears to continue his role as change-of-pace back.

Fantasy Impact: Keep an eye on Howard's production throughout the season. As the rookie from Indiana University progresses, he has the possibility to take a chunk out of Langford's workload. At this point, Howard doesn't provide much value outside of deep leagues, but he does have the potential to earn his own slice of carries.

Related: Ka'Deem Carey suffers concussion in preseason opener

 
John Fox - rookie running backs and their rookie year stats :

2002 - DeShaun Foster, 2nd round pick, did not play, was injured in preseason.
2005 - Eric Shelton, 2nd round pick, did not play, broken foot in preseason.
2006 - DeAngelo Williams, 1st round pick, 121 caries 501 yards 1 td, 33 receptions 313 yards 1 td.
2008 - Jonathan Stewart, 1st round pick, 184 carries 836 yards 10 td's, 8 receptions 47 yards.
2009 - Mike Goodson, 4th round pick, 22 carries 49 yards, 2 receptions 15 yards.
2012 - Ronnie Hillman, 3rd round pick, 84 carries 327 yards 1 td, 10 receptions 62 yards.
2013 - Montee Ball, 2nd round pick, 120 carries 559 yards 4 td's, 20 reception 145 yards.
2014 - C.J. Anderson, Undrafted, 179 carries 849 yards 8 td's, 34 receptions 324 yards 2 td's.
2015 - Jeremy Langford, 4th round pick, 148 carries 547 yards 6 td's, 22 receptions 279 yards 1 td.
2016 - Jordan Howard, 5th round pick, ????

 
socrates I think the fumbles and lack of pass protection skills (as well as being injured) are why Drake gave up passing downs to TJ Yeldon in his earlier seasons, then with only Henry ahead of him, he got some passing down looks in 2015 as a COP to Henry. They used Henry more than any other of their very good RB from previous seasons, who split more with the next guy emerging.

I cannot explain to you why Miami drafted Drake in the 3rd round and over RB who in my opinion are better prospects, such as Dixon and Booker especially. About the only advantage I can see Drake having over these players is straight line speed. Which is important, but that important?

Teams regularly use 2nd and 3rd round picks on special teams prospects, Green Bay last year with Ty Montgomery and many more. The highest investment of these being the Vikings drafting Patterson near the end of the 1st round because of his kick return ability and hoping to replace Percy Harvin. I think when teams do this, they are hoping they can coach the player into becoming a player on offense as well, but they are mainly drafting the player for the special teams ability, and anything beyond that would be considered a bonus.

In regards to Drake Miami has said this, that they liked Drake as a gunner prospect, I am assuming he is a pretty good tackler if that is the case. 

What is even more puzzling about the pick is that Miami also really wanted Carroo and they could have drafted Carroo over Drake if they wanted to. They ended up trading away future picks to move up and draft Carroo after this, which again begs the question, why didn't you just draft Carroo then?

Honestly I think the Dolphins felt a bit desperate to add another RB to their rotation, because without Miller, if Jay goes down they would be forced into starting Damien Williams or Isiah Pead. I like Williams, I think he can block well and he has speed, but he does not run between the tackles well. Pead just can't seem to stay healthy long.

To me Williams is still a better option as a RB than Drake. I still can't explain the pick unless they really like his special teams ability. If that was the main reason to pick Drake, I am not sure why they picked him over Carroo.

Perhaps they think he can develop into a starter at some point. I honestly don't know. It is one of the biggest head scratchers for me of the 2016 draft.

 
Honestly I think the Dolphins felt a bit desperate to add another RB to their rotation, because without Miller, if Jay goes down they would be forced into starting Damien Williams or Isiah Pead. I like Williams, I think he can block well and he has speed, but he does not run between the tackles well. Pead just can't seem to stay healthy long.

To me Williams is still a better option as a RB than Drake.
I have zero faith in Damien Williams, Give me Isaiah Pead if the others fail.

 
Pead looks alright sometimes. I don't think he can hold up running between the tackles, is mostly what I saw about him with the Rams.

He has speed and some wiggle and decent catching the ball though. 

One thing that does stand out in my memory of Pead playing with Bradford. Pead was being used as kind of a slot receiver running drag routes mostly. He was doing ok with this as well. But he ran the wrong route or something, and Bradford was pissed off about it. I didn't see very much Pead after that.

Williams is a really good pass blocker is the main thing going for him.

 
Surprised no one's mentioned Darius Jackson yet.  Stashed in all my dynos.  Fantastic profile, and drafted only slightly behind many of the RBs above despite being low volume and small school.  Wouldn't be surprised if he forced a bigger name off the Cowboys roster.

 
Paul perkins came in later than anyone but has 6 for 36 and a catch for 4 with a long of 14.  Doesn't mean anything but beats 7 for -3 with two fumbles

 
The Giants (and I'm saying this as a huge Giants fan) are trying to will Andre Williams into the backup job, I'm not sure I would put my eggs in their RB talent evaluation.
Huge G-Men fan or not...  I find this very hard to believe.  I can't imagine that they're happy with the status quo (Jennings/Williams & Vereen in his role).

Of course, they could view Williams' ceiling as a backup.  Guys can have NFL value with limited fantasy value.  Maybe the long term vision is Perkins/Williams plus Vereen.

Also, "backup job" can mean different things to different people.  I don't like to fall into the trap of thinking the depth chart is the true pecking order.

 
Huge G-Men fan or not...  I find this very hard to believe.  I can't imagine that they're happy with the status quo (Jennings/Williams & Vereen in his role).

Of course, they could view Williams' ceiling as a backup.  Guys can have NFL value with limited fantasy value.  Maybe the long term vision is Perkins/Williams plus Vereen.

Also, "backup job" can mean different things to different people.  I don't like to fall into the trap of thinking the depth chart is the true pecking order.
http://247sports.com/Bolt/New-York-Giants-Player-Watch-Paul-Perkins-46726361

In running back Paul Perkins, the Giants believe they have their ball carrier of the future.

Though, perhaps, not of the present. The job is still firmly in the hands of Rashad Jennings, with Andre Williams and Shane Vereen behind him on the current depth chart. But head coach Ben McAdoo made clear his and the team’s intentions to develop Perkins into their primary back in the seasons to come.

Any major participation Perkins gets behind center this year will probably come in these four exhibition appearances this summer while the starters sit. During that span, they’ll try to improve upon what many scouts regarded as his primary weakness, a perceived lack of physicality between the tackles.

The UCLA product exhibited quickness off the edge and in open space, and a unique skill in evading downfield tacklers, but the question of prolonged physical play in the trenches was raised often. At times, he seemed thrown off his rhythm when asked to carry the ball off guard and tackle. But the Giants think Perkins’ other talents can offset those concerns early on

“This guy is someone who is able to play on first and second down and do the things you want him to do as far as run the football and pass protect and also his versatility on third downs,” said offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan.

“It is just a great asset, and again, I think that position, along with all the positions, the more competition that you have that is going to allow the level of everyone’s play to get better and that is what we are hoping for.”

 
Yeah just found out about the fumble.  Not rocketing up the depth chart doing that in your first game, but good to see him get decent yardage.  I still think he's a november play.  

 

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