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I agree, but a lot of people on this board (and in our society in general I think) might disagree and consider an orange pill tantamount to pulling the trigger on executing green pill folks.
I know, it's just a beautiful feel-good conversation isn't it?
Except the free will part. Those green choosers had the free will to stay alive. Your choice didn't kill them. Theirs did.
While it’s a good good scenario you paint there. I disagree with this statement.
The interesting thing about this is that you have us outnumbered two-to-one, but my people are more cold-blooded. What we lack in numbers, we make up for in ruthless rationality. In real life, orange-pillers would correctly anticipate reprisals from surviving green-pillers well in advance, and we'd have organized ourselves into an entrenched militia by the time you guys get tired of patting yourself on the back for being so nice. You guys are the Persians, but we're the Spartans. Only not as ripped.
So you get slaughtered at Thermopylae and allow us to burn cities to the ground, take control over the peninsula?
i identify as an Irish Viking.
It does not surprise me one bit that the arguments and votes lean green.
I did, hence the “while it’s a good scenario you paint there” comment.
Don't know. It's not my question. My understanding was that every person had to choose. There was no way to abstain.
It's easy for me. I have young children and have no guarantee that they pick orange. I know many other people that are in the same boat. I wouldn't want to live in a world where there are millions of grieving parents of young children because of some stupid game theory. That's not a place I want to be.
Well there’s the rub right. Logic dictates green (as I laid out in my post above) but in your scenario emotions come into play as I have my family (who I am the provider for and count on me) to think about so I can’t risk it. So I forgo logic and play it safe and take the orange pill.
This to me is something many of us in this thread aren't really touching on. It was one of the first things I thought of when it comes to kids. The get told take this pill and you live no matter what or take this pill and there is a chance you will die. I think 99.9999% of the kids take the pill that lets them live no matter what. It really is the simplest choice. Over thinking the question is what causes a lot of the dilemma.
I’m amazed the bolded keeps getting brought up as an argument option. The same exact thing holds true for the green. So It’s not a differentiator. But anything less the 100 means death for non orange takers. With green anything more the exactly 50% means Zero death at all.
One option allows me to make a decision that has a known outcome. The other option not only has an unknown outcome, it relies on 50+% of the population making a suboptimal decision in order to achieve a positive outcome.
We’re debating what the answer should be. In that I say green is obvious and logical. Faced with the actual decision on the line and orphaning my kid I say **** should and logic.
Which pill do you think a 2 year old will choose?
I would rather be a part of trying to prevent the messed up situation before it happens.
Is it presented to them that way though? I was assuming asked the question in the OP, and then would need to logically figure it out.
The wording of these questions is very important.
I made the assumption that the question would be put in such a way a 2 yr old could understand it. I doubt many 2 yr olds would understand what 50% means. I would hope that the theoretical situation would at least make it clear to the people's intellectual ability to some degree.
Not sure why anyone would choose to jump in the blender (I realize this is the same scenario in theory) but a blender vs a pill is completely different in how people will answer. People take pills all the time, it's normal. And in that scenario, you have to take a pill regardless. Nobody with any desire to live will enter a blender and the option is right there to not enter the blender. The pill scenario would change if the options were take a pill or don't take a pill. It's sort of illogical that it matters but as a human it absolutely makes a difference.
I misinterpreted it earlier and now don’t really see a consequence to orange — the only consequence impacts those choosing green. And there is no real reason to choose green because anyone who wants to live can just pick orange. It’s like the choices are missing something.
