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Which players are overrated (1 Viewer)
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KiddLattimer
Footballguy
In no particular order...
Berrian
Vick
Carr
Henry
Welker
Furrey
Pennington
Colston
Berrian
Vick
Carr
Henry
Welker
Furrey
Pennington
Colston
Texican
Footballguy
I agree with some of the others on your list - that they will decrease, or maybe level out. But why Vick? Do you think his numbers have been inflated so far?
Shermanator
Footballguy
McNabb
Not because he isnt good. But because he's puting up Madden Numbers right now
Not because he isnt good. But because he's puting up Madden Numbers right now
Trap Play
Footballguy
[sorry, I missed the second half of the season stipulation.
In that case, he's probably underrated. Rudi Johnson is still overrated.
Going by my league rankings, I would also suggest the following players are overrated going into the second half of the season.
Grossman
Brown
Berrian
Colston
Cotchery
In that case, he's probably underrated. Rudi Johnson is still overrated.
Going by my league rankings, I would also suggest the following players are overrated going into the second half of the season.
Grossman
Brown
Berrian
Colston
Cotchery
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
I think his pre-Giants game numbers were pretty inflated. I think the results we will see most weeks will resemble last week vs NY. Plus he is an injury risk and has a somewhat difficult playoff schedule with Tampa, Dallas and Carolina.
H.K.
Footballguy
Vick - Running too much, already banged up
Kitna - O-Line is destroyed
McNabb- Nowhere to go but down
K.Jones - See Kitna
Tiki - Retirement announcement means G-men must start preparing for next year = more Jacobs to evaluate
Westbrook - never stays healthy
D.Foster - Williams will return and we'll see RBBC
McGahee - OL is awful
DJackson - All Branch all the time, and then SA returns and its even less opportunity
Driver - Jennings becoming a huge focal point
Coles- Injury is lingering
Harrison - Manning on pace for career low TD passes & Wayne has more RZ targets, too
J.Walker - Production to catch ratio will cath up to him, Plummer looks awful
Gates - PPR numbers way off from last year, TD's only thing keeping him going & they will tail off
Heap - always hurt
eta: Reggie Brown - Stallworth's return will crush his numbers
Kitna - O-Line is destroyed
McNabb- Nowhere to go but down
K.Jones - See Kitna
Tiki - Retirement announcement means G-men must start preparing for next year = more Jacobs to evaluate
Westbrook - never stays healthy
D.Foster - Williams will return and we'll see RBBC
McGahee - OL is awful
DJackson - All Branch all the time, and then SA returns and its even less opportunity
Driver - Jennings becoming a huge focal point
Coles- Injury is lingering
Harrison - Manning on pace for career low TD passes & Wayne has more RZ targets, too
J.Walker - Production to catch ratio will cath up to him, Plummer looks awful
Gates - PPR numbers way off from last year, TD's only thing keeping him going & they will tail off
Heap - always hurt
eta: Reggie Brown - Stallworth's return will crush his numbers
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To the people who mention Cotchery, do you really think his numbers are inflated for a number 2 receiver whose team has to throw based on the fact they can't run? 23- 339 3tds over six game these numbers come out to 3.83 catches 56 yards and .5 Tds a game, over a year that would be 61 - 896 and 8tds. Certainly not unreasonable.
McNabb is an injury risk?? His sports hernia last year has been his only real serious injury of his career
Kleck.
Footballguy
There is no reason to prepare for next season when your team is still plenty alive this season.
fatboyj711
Footballguy
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Tatum Bell
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
This concept of the Giants phasing out Tiki because he's leaving next year is pretty ridiculous. Especially since they've seen plenty of Jacobs anyway, and are contending. This isn't the MLB.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
wasn't before so it won't be after....
H.K.
Footballguy
2005 Giants RB touchesBarber had 83% of carries and 96% of the receptions2006Barber has 75% of carries and 81% of the receptionsHis numbers have already dropped prior to his announcement. They will continue to fall as Jacobs must get more looks to see if he is the heir apparent.
H.K.
Footballguy
Williams has a 5.3 YPC, Foster's is 3.8. It will happen.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
So you just showed that Tiki's carries were dropping independent of his announcement. Which is logical and is also completely irrelevant to your claim that that his carries will drop because of his announced retirement.It's complete speculation on your part, and I don't agree with it. I could say that Tiki's carries will go UP since the coaching staff isn't worried about Tiki wearing down in the long-term. Or I could say they'll go up so that they keep Jacobs fresh for his carries in the future. Each claim has as much evidence to back it up, that is, none.2005 Giants RB touchesBarber had 83% of carries and 96% of the receptions2006Barber has 75% of carries and 81% of the receptionsHis numbers have already dropped prior to his announcement. They will continue to fall as Jacobs must get more looks to see if he is the heir apparent.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I disagree completely. There hasn't been a RBBC at all, Mike Bell is a ghost. Tater owners are thinking they're finally in the clear. Like at the end of a horror movie before that last scare. I don't think this is a buy low at all right now.
H.K.
Footballguy
Your points are valid. However, it has been the Giants' plan all along to work Jacobs into the mix more, and the numbers to this point in the season have proven that they are doing it. It would not make sense for them to use Tiki any more than they have been in accordance with their original plan, but it would make sense to keep him fresher and evaluate Jacobs at the same time in different scenarios during the rest of the season. I.E. - first downs and passing situations.JetsWillWin said:So you just showed that Tiki's carries were dropping independent of his announcement. Which is logical and is also completely irrelevant to your claim that that his carries will drop because of his announced retirement.It's complete speculation on your part, and I don't agree with it. I could say that Tiki's carries will go UP since the coaching staff isn't worried about Tiki wearing down in the long-term. Or I could say they'll go up so that they keep Jacobs fresh for his carries in the future. Each claim has as much evidence to back it up, that is, none.H.K. said:2005 Giants RB touchesBarber had 83% of carries and 96% of the receptions2006Barber has 75% of carries and 81% of the receptionsHis numbers have already dropped prior to his announcement. They will continue to fall as Jacobs must get more looks to see if he is the heir apparent.JetsWillWin said:Kleck said:
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I certainly do not refute that Jacobs has taken on a larger role in the offense this season. I only refute that Tiki's retirement semi-announcement will be a factor in his role. I think they'll stick to what is the best game plan to win each game since they are competing right now, and given the way things have been going on in that clubhouse, Coughlin could very well be on the hot seat - I don't think he's interested in evaluating players for the next season in the thick of a playoff race.
Or he played in 12 games in 99 he played in 16 games in 2000, 2001, 2003. He played in 15 games in 2004. Last year he played in 9, and in 2002 he played in 10.Sorry that's not an injury risk he has only not finished out the year twice in his careerthayman said:seems like he never plays a full season -- i haven't checked every year, but i know he was hurt for a good chunk of the year 2 (3?) years ago when a.j. feeley got all that playing time.
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Gopher State
Footballguy
Steven Jackson
The Seahawks exposed the RAMS defense, Holt will get more catches and TD's at the expense of Jackson, as the RAMS play from behind.
The Seahawks exposed the RAMS defense, Holt will get more catches and TD's at the expense of Jackson, as the RAMS play from behind.
Disagree on Berrian and Colston , I think based on their targets. They are the #1 in Chicago/NO.Overrated:Terry Glenn, and not because of TO's 3 TDs. TO is the better player, and they will get him the ball.Amani Toomer, The better Shokey and Tiki play, the less Amani will be needed.Frank Gore. Own him, but think that unless the passing game REALLY gets going, teams will key on him more and more. Limiting his overall dominance (he'll still be good, just not great)
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Weren't the Rams up almost the entire game? How and when did the Seahawks expose the Rams defense? The Rams will give up points, doesnt mean the will abandon Jackson and the run.My lost of players who will experience a letdownMcNabbBreesGrossmanWestbrookK JonesGoreBerrianColesKeyshawnCotcheryJennings
Gopher State
Footballguy
I think when a team gives up 30 points 23 of which were in the second half of game could be a concern about their defense? It appears Seattle made an adjustment to the RAM defense in the second half.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Don't most teams make adjustments to the other team's defense at halftime?I'm not trying to sound like a dink, but, I think it may be going a bit far to state that Seattle "exposed" the Rams defense. Seattle is a very good team. It shouldn't be shocking that they put up 30 points against a mediocre defense.
Magnus_CA
Footballguy
I certainly don't think you have to overpay to get him. I would expect he could be had for a decent #2 right now (think Driver). Mark it down, his 2nd half numbers will be better than his 1st half numbers
BigJonE300
Footballguy
I think everyone is forgetting that Tiki hinted at retirement during the off-season, mentioning that this might be his last season. So, there has been a plan all along to work Jacobs into the offense more. I believe this is why you have seen it in the numbers to this point, and would not be surprised to see more of the same as the season wears. Jacobs has proven capable to this point of carrying the load and the offense has not skipped a beat with Jacobs in. Tiki simply restated his thoughts and plans. I think Jacobs could have LOTS of value going forward, and his value skyrockets in keeper/dynasty leagues.
wilson2112
Footballguy
Why?He's got a relatively friendly schedule for the rest of the year (Lions, Texans, Patriots, Browns, Raiders, etc.). The running game is inconsistant. Their defense is terrible. They should be either playing catch up for most of their games, or possessing the ball mostly with their passing game. Pennington's situation reminds me a lot of the situation that Jake Plummer was in with Arizona. He should be serviceable for the rest of the year.Mr. Mojo said:
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
And as Rob Hurtt of The Sporting News points out..."If you look closer at McNabb's amazing start, you'll notice he's taking full advantage of favorable matchups. Dallas has been his only opponent not among the top eight in fantasy point allowed to quarterbacks. Sure, McNabb's big performances skew those averages, but those defenses rank in the top eight even when McNabb's numbers are removed from the equation."
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I actually agree with you; I just don't think it will happen this season...H.K. said:
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Don't mention Madden to Alexander....
nightshift
Footballguy
That's nuts! If the Giants were in 2-8, maybe. BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING THROW THE SEASON to see if Jacobs can handle next year's duties.2005 Giants RB touchesBarber had 83% of carries and 96% of the receptions2006Barber has 75% of carries and 81% of the receptionsHis numbers have already dropped prior to his announcement. They will continue to fall as Jacobs must get more looks to see if he is the heir apparent.
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
Tatum is just emerging. He just got done playing the Steelers D and put up solid numbers, I dont think it will get much rougher form here on out. Most of the recent posts around here about tatum are "buy him cheap while you can" posts. I've endured the "SSOG and Friends Tatum Haters Club {TM.}" and kept my faith in Tatum and he has'nt done anything to steer me wrong. The only way I see Tatum Bell being a over-rated player is if he gets hurt.
walkwithme
Footballguy
TD's wise I guess he can't be expected to make 3 Tds in every 5 games he might get 4 more the rest of the season.
