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Which two teams make the AFC playoffs as WCs? (1 Viewer)

Chase Stuart

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To all Chiefs, Steelers, Bills and Titans fans, my apologies.

Does anyone see any flaws in this? Working your way through the NFL tiebreaker scenario isn't usually easy, but this one breaks pretty simply (outside of one possible complicated scenario).

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/?p=215

A couple of weeks ago, I tried to handicap the AFC playoff picture. I’ll do it again today, with a little twist in the formula.

With all due respect to our Chiefs, Bills, Steelers and Titans fans, I’m going to leave them out of the equation today. Figuring out the odds with four teams (Jets, Jaguars, Broncos and Bengals) is difficult enough, without an NFL super computer. Random note: the second place teams in all four AFC divisions have the same record (8-6), and the third place teams in all four divisions also all have the same record (7-7).

Here are the remaining schedules for the AFC contenders.

Team 16 17Cin @Den PitDen Cin SFJac NE @KCNYJ @Mia OakOnce again, it’s time to replace those teams with their ratings from Jeff Sagarin.
Code:
Team		 16	  1724.80	  @21.05   22.6421.05	   24.80	9.4729.95	   29.93  @19.7422.00	  @20.69   10.54
Now we can calculate each team’s chance of winning each game, using the formula:Home team prob. of winning =~ 1 / (1 + e^(-.438 - .0826*diff)), where “diff” equals the home team’s rating minus the road team’s rating.

Team 16 17Cin 0.47 0.65Den 0.53 0.80Jac 0.61 0.60NYJ 0.42 0.80From this, we could sum the weeks and get an expected number of season wins (8 + the number above):
Code:
Den	9.33NYJ	9.22Jac	9.21Cin	9.12
As you can tell, that’s pretty close. Things change pretty quickly around here, and Cincinnati went from being a playoff favorite to really being on the outside looking in…right?Of course, the total number of expected wins is pretty irrelevant, because some teams have better tiebreaker scenarios than others. The four wildcard contenders play seven unique games over the last two weeks. Those games could end up in any of 128 different combinations. The most likely combination would be: Denver beats Cincinnati, Cincinnati beats Pittsburgh, Denver beats San Francisco, Jacksonville beats New England and Kansas City, the Jets lose to Miami and the Jets beat the Raiders. There’s about a 9.5% chance the games go that way. If they do, the Broncos and Jaguars would be in with 10 wins, and the Jets and Bengals would miss out.

For those who took a hard look at the percentages above, you could probably guess the second most likely outgame: the same as before, except Cincinnati now topping Denver. In that case, the Bengals and Jaguars would make it.

The tiebreakers can get pretty complicated, and I can’t promise you that I’ve done them 100% correctly. I’ll give it my best. But suffice it to say, getting to 10 wins seems like a pretty safe bet (although the Jets would miss out if three teams get to 10).

Here are the odds that each team gets to X number of wins:

Wins 10 9 8Cin 0.30 0.51 0.19Den 0.43 0.48 0.09Jac 0.36 0.48 0.16NYJ 0.33 0.55 0.12In terms of tiebreakers, the Jets look to be in the worst position because they’ll lose out to the Jaguars via head-to-head, and will lose out to Bengals and Broncos because of a poor conference record. So the only way the Jets can make the playoffs is if they have a better record than two of the other teams. Of the 128 combinations, 36 of them would give the Jets a better record than two of the other three teams, and make the playoffs. The sum of the odds of any of those combinations occuring is just north of 27%, which gives the Jets just a decent chance to make it. The Broncos are the opposite of the Jets; they seem very likely to make it if tied. If tied with the Jets or Jaguars, Denver would make it because of a better conference record. Even if Denver loses to Cincinnati, Denver will make it as long as they don’t have a worse record than two other teams. There are 59 combinations where no one would have a better record than Denver, and another 39 where only one team would post a better record. The sum of the odds of any of those 98 combinations equals 74%.

Cincinnati would win a tiebreaker over the Jets and Jaguars, but might or might not against the Broncos. If Denver beats Cincinnati, Denver would get the tiebreaker. If Cincinnati beats Denver, Cincinnati would get the tiebreaker if neither the Jets nor the Jaguars have the same record as the Bengals and Broncos. If one of those teams do (i.e., a three-way tie), then Denver would be the first team in because of a better conference record, and would make it in over Cincinnati. (Then, depending on the record of the 4th team, Cincinnati may or may not get in.) I’ll save you the grunt work, and just say there are 78 combinations that would put the Bengals in, and there’s a 54% chance of that happening.

The Jaguars aren’t in much better shape than the Jets; they’d beat out the Jets in a tiebreaker, but would not top Denver or Cincinnati. There are 56 combinations where they have two of the following three scenarios: the Jets don’t have more wins than the Jags, the Jags have more wins than the Broncos, the Jags have more wins than the Bengals. The sum of those odds? 45%.

So for the two spots remaining, the Broncos lead the pack with a 74% chance of seeing the post-season. The Bengals and Broncos are neck and neck, with Cincinnati (54%) just a bit more likely than Jacksonville (46%) to make the playoffs. The Jets have only a 27% chance, but take solace in this, Jets fans: a win over the Fins increases the Jets’ chances to 59.5%, and there’s less than a 30% chance the Jets win out and don’t make the playoffs. The real reason New York’s penalized is that the Jets only have a 1/1000 chance of making the playoffs with 9 wins, by far the lowest of these final four.

Note: Just a reminder, these percentages all sum to 200% (two playoff spots). Of course, the assumption in all of this is that the Steelers, Bills, Titans and Chiefs all miss the playoffs.
 
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I have a feeling the Jets are going to lose to the Dolphins this week. They will finish 9-7.

If the Broncos win this weekend, they will likely beat the 49ers next weekend, and get in at 10-6.

 
Thanks for breaking this out Chase. :excited:

It appears that the winner of the Broncos-Bengals game is really in the driver's seat.

 
So, let me get this straight, if the Broncos lose to the Bengals, but beat the 49ers to get to 9-7, they make the playoffs unless two other teams finish ahead of them? In other words, if the Broncos are 9-7, two of the other three teams at 8-6 right now (Cin, Jax and NYJ) have to get to 10-6 for the Broncos not to make it?

 
Thanks for breaking this out Chase. :thumbup: It appears that the winner of the Broncos-Bengals game is really in the driver's seat.
...to get clobbered on the road in the 1st round of the playoffs.
What if Denver plays at New England in the first round? Considering how much Shanahan has owned the Patriots since Belichick came to town (his only loss being with Danny Kannel at QB), do you really think it is a given that the Patriots would clobber the Broncos?
 
Thanks for breaking this out Chase. :thumbup: It appears that the winner of the Broncos-Bengals game is really in the driver's seat.
...to get clobbered on the road in the 1st round of the playoffs.
What if Denver plays at New England in the first round? Considering how much Shanahan has owned the Patriots since Belichick came to town (his only loss being with Danny Kannel at QB), do you really think it is a given that the Patriots would clobber the Broncos?
No I don't. And I was about to post the same thing until I read that you beat me to it. If they managed to beat the Pats, I also feel they could have an outside shot at beating the Chargers in the second round. Don't laugh, I know it's a longshot and they've already lost to San Diego twice this year but I think they would have a shot. They know the Chargers well and Shanny knows how to beat Shottenheimer. As a matter of fact, the only team in the AFC that I feel the Broncos have no shot at beating on the road is the Colts.
 
Thanks for breaking this out Chase. :thumbup: It appears that the winner of the Broncos-Bengals game is really in the driver's seat.
...to get clobbered on the road in the 1st round of the playoffs.
What if Denver plays at New England in the first round? Considering how much Shanahan has owned the Patriots since Belichick came to town (his only loss being with Danny Kannel at QB), do you really think it is a given that the Patriots would clobber the Broncos?
No I don't. And I was about to post the same thing until I read that you beat me to it. If they managed to beat the Pats, I also feel they could have an outside shot at beating the Chargers in the second round. Don't laugh, I know it's a longshot and they've already lost to San Diego twice this year but I think they would have a shot. They know the Chargers well and Shanny knows how to beat Shottenheimer. As a matter of fact, the only team in the AFC that I feel the Broncos have no shot at beating on the road is the Colts.
You guys are high. Must be dipping into the Christmas stash...a rookie QB is going to march the Broncos who have lots of leaks including...no real #1RB, a seperated shoulder #1 WR, an old man at #2, a rookie WR at #3, a rookie TE, a defense that has gone South in the 2nd half of the season...? I realize we watched Pitt go from 7-5 to SB champs but you are really bucking the odds here.
 
Thanks for breaking this out Chase. :thumbup: It appears that the winner of the Broncos-Bengals game is really in the driver's seat.
...to get clobbered on the road in the 1st round of the playoffs.
What if Denver plays at New England in the first round? Considering how much Shanahan has owned the Patriots since Belichick came to town (his only loss being with Danny Kannel at QB), do you really think it is a given that the Patriots would clobber the Broncos?
No I don't. And I was about to post the same thing until I read that you beat me to it. If they managed to beat the Pats, I also feel they could have an outside shot at beating the Chargers in the second round. Don't laugh, I know it's a longshot and they've already lost to San Diego twice this year but I think they would have a shot. They know the Chargers well and Shanny knows how to beat Shottenheimer. As a matter of fact, the only team in the AFC that I feel the Broncos have no shot at beating on the road is the Colts.
You guys are high. Must be dipping into the Christmas stash...a rookie QB is going to march the Broncos who have lots of leaks including...no real #1RB, a seperated shoulder #1 WR, an old man at #2, a rookie WR at #3, a rookie TE, a defense that has gone South in the 2nd half of the season...? I realize we watched Pitt go from 7-5 to SB champs but you are really bucking the odds here.
I didn't say Denver would beat SD in the second round. I merely said they could beat the Patriots in the first round. And don't tell me they couldn't, given Denver's dominance of NE, the Patriots struggles of late, and their struggles at home this year. You can pull out the "rookie QB" card if you want, but he is no worse than Plummer, and Denver already won at NE this year WITH Plummer.
 
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IIRC, based on all potential AFC WC teams finishing with the same record (which seems VERY possible) Cinci and the Bills make it in. There is another thread on this subject which breaks out IMO the likely results of the next two games for all potential AFC WC candidates. It is well within reason to conclude the Bills and Cinci have the best shot at making the playoffs.

 
IIRC, based on all potential AFC WC teams finishing with the same record (which seems VERY possible) Cinci and the Bills make it in. There is another thread on this subject which breaks out IMO the likely results of the next two games for all potential AFC WC candidates. It is well within reason to conclude the Bills and Cinci have the best shot at making the playoffs.
Only if you think Cinci is going to beat Denver this weekend in mile high after a blizzard...I think Denver can beat them...oh wait a minute...Cinci is a cold weather team with a good ground game, and talented WR that Denver has no answer for...OK well maybe Cinci will get in.But Buffalo? The Jets and Jags are 8-6...Buffalo is 7-7...I think Jags/Jets...flip a coin but one of them is getting in.
 
But Buffalo? The Jets and Jags are 8-6...Buffalo is 7-7...I think Jags/Jets...flip a coin but one of them is getting in.
All it takes is Jets and Jags losing one of the next two, which is very likely IMO, and the Bills winning out, with Tennessee being their only challenge this week. A very winnable game.
 
But Buffalo? The Jets and Jags are 8-6...Buffalo is 7-7...I think Jags/Jets...flip a coin but one of them is getting in.
All it takes is Jets and Jags losing one of the next two, which is very likely IMO, and the Bills winning out, with Tennessee being their only challenge this week. A very winnable game.
The Titans are on a roll right now...not saying the Bills can't win the game but Tennessee is riding the wave of momentum right now. We'll see. Jags and Jets losing this weekend would be great for the final week and leave a lot of scenarios on the table.
 
I think that the Jets deserve more of a chance than you guys are giving them. Miami has nothing to play for this week and just lost 21-0. I think that the Jets will most likely beat them. Jacksonville plays NE and @KC. The odds of them NOT going 2-0 are very good.

As long as those 2 things happen(NY beats Miami and Jacksonville doesn't win out) then all thats standing in between the Jets and the playoffs is a week 17 game at home against Oakland. Oakland might just be tanking to get a higher draft spot and the Jets will be playing for their playoff lives. I don't think that game scares the Jets fans at all.

 
I think that the Jets deserve more of a chance than you guys are giving them. Miami has nothing to play for this week and just lost 21-0. I think that the Jets will most likely beat them. Jacksonville plays NE and @KC. The odds of them NOT going 2-0 are very good. As long as those 2 things happen(NY beats Miami and Jacksonville doesn't win out) then all thats standing in between the Jets and the playoffs is a week 17 game at home against Oakland. Oakland might just be tanking to get a higher draft spot and the Jets will be playing for their playoff lives. I don't think that game scares the Jets fans at all.
Miami is simply a better team than the Jets. They missed Brown and it showed, but he should be back. Plus, this is still the MIA team that blanked the Pats, and they will be mad about their loss to the Bills.
 
I think that the Jets deserve more of a chance than you guys are giving them. Miami has nothing to play for this week and just lost 21-0.
Miami does have something to play for. They have their pride, and they would like to finish the season 8-8. They had a bad game last week, but had a great game the week before. They are rivals of the Jets, and would love to play the spoiler in the Jets playoff hopes. They aren't going to slack off just because they are not in the playoff hunt anymore.
 
I think that the Jets deserve more of a chance than you guys are giving them. Miami has nothing to play for this week and just lost 21-0. I think that the Jets will most likely beat them. Jacksonville plays NE and @KC. The odds of them NOT going 2-0 are very good.

As long as those 2 things happen(NY beats Miami and Jacksonville doesn't win out) then all thats standing in between the Jets and the playoffs is a week 17 game at home against Oakland. Oakland might just be tanking to get a higher draft spot and the Jets will be playing for their playoff lives. I don't think that game scares the Jets fans at all.
Miami is simply a better team than the Jets. They missed Brown and it showed, but he should be back. Plus, this is still the MIA team that blanked the Pats, and they will be mad about their loss to the Bills.
:headbang:
 
So, let me get this straight, if the Broncos lose to the Bengals, but beat the 49ers to get to 9-7, they make the playoffs unless two other teams finish ahead of them? In other words, if the Broncos are 9-7, two of the other three teams at 8-6 right now (Cin, Jax and NYJ) have to get to 10-6 for the Broncos not to make it?
NO. There is a major oversight in the analysis presented. The Chiefs, who are near locks to MISS the playoffs, are likely to still go 9-7. The Chiefs have the tie-breaker over practically nobody. Although the Broncos have the tie-breaker against most teams, the Chiefs hold the tie-breaker over the Broncos. The first tie break is between teams in the same division, as is my understanding. Therefore, the Broncos at 9-7 would be out against the 9-7 Chiefs. Then the 9-7 Chiefs would be out, well, against everyone.
 
But Buffalo? The Jets and Jags are 8-6...Buffalo is 7-7...I think Jags/Jets...flip a coin but one of them is getting in.
All it takes is Jets and Jags losing one of the next two, which is very likely IMO, and the Bills winning out, with Tennessee being their only challenge this week. A very winnable game.
The Titans are on a roll right now...not saying the Bills can't win the game but Tennessee is riding the wave of momentum right now. We'll see. Jags and Jets losing this weekend would be great for the final week and leave a lot of scenarios on the table.
Bills should have won that game, but the Titans will definitely have even more momentum now... Jags lost, Pit never had a chance in that game. Jets play tonight.
 
NO. There is a major oversight in the analysis presented. The Chiefs, who are near locks to MISS the playoffs, are likely to still go 9-7. The Chiefs have the tie-breaker over practically nobody. Although the Broncos have the tie-breaker against most teams, the Chiefs hold the tie-breaker over the Broncos. The first tie break is between teams in the same division, as is my understanding. Therefore, the Broncos at 9-7 would be out against the 9-7 Chiefs. Then the 9-7 Chiefs would be out, well, against everyone.
Correct, except you should mention the Jags (who they'd hold the tiebreaker over with your record predictions).They need three of the following four scenarios to happen : San Fran > Denver // Pittsburgh > Cincy // Miami AND Oakland > New York // New England > Tennessee.I don't think there's a chance in hell New York drops a game against that garbage schedule, so they're in. Cincy could lose and Tennesee probably will. But that'd leave the Broncos who have a cupcake.Jets and Broncos it is.
 
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NO. There is a major oversight in the analysis presented. The Chiefs, who are near locks to MISS the playoffs, are likely to still go 9-7. The Chiefs have the tie-breaker over practically nobody. Although the Broncos have the tie-breaker against most teams, the Chiefs hold the tie-breaker over the Broncos. The first tie break is between teams in the same division, as is my understanding. Therefore, the Broncos at 9-7 would be out against the 9-7 Chiefs. Then the 9-7 Chiefs would be out, well, against everyone.
Correct, except you should mention the Jags (who they'd hold the tiebreaker over with your record predictions).They need three of the following four scenarios to happen : San Fran > Denver // Pittsburgh > Cincy // Miami AND Oakland > New York // New England > Tennessee.I don't think there's a chance in hell New York drops a game against that garbage schedule, so they're in. Cincy could lose and Tennesee probably will. But that'd leave the Broncos who have a cupcake.Jets and Broncos it is.
Incorrect. If the Jaguars manage to win the game against KC, they'd be sitting pretty at 9-7. The Jets, consequently, MUST win both games, because the Jaguars hold the H2h tiebreaker over them if they were 9-7.The Jaguars dont need the Jets to go 0-2 if they take care of business themselves. They need them to go 1-1
 
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I think that the Jets deserve more of a chance than you guys are giving them. Miami has nothing to play for this week and just lost 21-0. I think that the Jets will most likely beat them. Jacksonville plays NE and @KC. The odds of them NOT going 2-0 are very good.

As long as those 2 things happen(NY beats Miami and Jacksonville doesn't win out) then all thats standing in between the Jets and the playoffs is a week 17 game at home against Oakland. Oakland might just be tanking to get a higher draft spot and the Jets will be playing for their playoff lives. I don't think that game scares the Jets fans at all.
Miami is simply a better team than the Jets. They missed Brown and it showed, but he should be back. Plus, this is still the MIA team that blanked the Pats, and they will be mad about their loss to the Bills.
I respectfully disagre that Miami is better, but I can see why someone would say that. What I can't understand is this analysis that I bolded. I see stuff like this mentioned all the time, and it never makes any sense to me. Its as if people think that becasue a team loses big the week before that means good things for the following week becuase "they'll be angry." Just seems like silly logic to me. I also hate the logic of "they'll win because they need this game." Sure it matters in the end of the season when one team might not care, but I hate it when I see stuff like that mentioned early in the year.
 
I think that the Jets deserve more of a chance than you guys are giving them. Miami has nothing to play for this week and just lost 21-0. I think that the Jets will most likely beat them. Jacksonville plays NE and @KC. The odds of them NOT going 2-0 are very good.

As long as those 2 things happen(NY beats Miami and Jacksonville doesn't win out) then all thats standing in between the Jets and the playoffs is a week 17 game at home against Oakland. Oakland might just be tanking to get a higher draft spot and the Jets will be playing for their playoff lives. I don't think that game scares the Jets fans at all.
Miami is simply a better team than the Jets. They missed Brown and it showed, but he should be back. Plus, this is still the MIA team that blanked the Pats, and they will be mad about their loss to the Bills.
I respectfully disagre that Miami is better, but I can see why someone would say that. What I can't understand is this analysis that I bolded. I see stuff like this mentioned all the time, and it never makes any sense to me. Its as if people think that becasue a team loses big the week before that means good things for the following week becuase "they'll be angry." Just seems like silly logic to me. I also hate the logic of "they'll win because they need this game." Sure it matters in the end of the season when one team might not care, but I hate it when I see stuff like that mentioned early in the year.
There's a reason for that.
 
Updated Percentages:

Jets: 41.15% chance of making it in. (This includes a 33.44% chance of making it at 10-6, and a 7.7% chance of the Jets making it at 9-7. I'm not 100% sure of the Jets chances of making it at 9-7, but my quick look says if Jacksonville and Cincinnati lose next week, the Jets are in at 9-7. Odds of both those events happening? 14%.)

I'll do the other teams in a little bit.

 
Incorrect. If the Jaguars manage to win the game against KC, they'd be sitting pretty at 9-7. The Jets, consequently, MUST win both games, because the Jaguars hold the H2h tiebreaker over them if they were 9-7.The Jaguars dont need the Jets to go 0-2 if they take care of business themselves. They need them to go 1-1
What are you talking about?My entire post illustrated the CHIEFS' route into the playoffs, not the Jaguars.
 

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