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[Blue-Kun]

Matt Leinart, ARI, QB13

Byron Leftwich, JAC, QB21 REPICK

Leinart and Leftwich are some ballsy picks. Leinart will be fine since he's chucking it to Boldin and Fitz, but this year we'll get the first real look at how consistent a QB he can be game to game. Good luck on Leftwich ever finishing the season in one piece. Even when healthy, he hasn't exactly been tearing up the FF boards.

C+ / C

Steven Jackson, SL, RB10

Deuce McCallister, NO, RB21

Brandon Jacobs, NYG, RB29

Anthony Thomas, BUF, RB46

Chris Brown, FA, RB49

Definitely your strong suit, I agree there. S-Jax and Duece should be great this season. Not high on Jacobs, but he should still see plenty of goal-line work. If Anthony Thomas is the starter in Buf by the start of the season, then you've got plenty of points to go around here week to week.

A

Marques Colston, NO, WR14

Darrell Jackson, SEA, WR15

Eddie Kennison, KC, WR40

Reggie Williams, JAC WR49

Reche Caldwell, NE, WR70

Antonio Bryant, FA, WR72

David Givens, TEN, WR89

Ernest Wilford, JAX, WR90

Above average? The tag-line for this WR group should be, "Give us your old, your injured, your underachieving masses longing to be good..."

I mean yeah, Colston + Jackson are a fine start (for the moment, let's ignore Jackson's injury filled 2005 and games missed in 06), but then what? We've got an aging #1 WR who's on a team with no clue who will be the starting QB. We follow it up with an under-achieving WR with some upside assuming JAX gets the offense turned around and revamped for FF purposes. Then Bryant has his wonderful suspension, assuming he even lands on a team that makes him relevant. Givens and Wilford are shots in the dark at best and Caldwell is on the Pats.

So yeah, it's above average if the first two WR are healthy all season and perform to expectations. Following them you've got a whole lot of guys who could barely count as #3 wide outs. If Reggie Williams works out, this group looks much better.

C

Todd Heap, TE5

Heap is great. Having no depth, not quite so great.

B

Dallas Cowboys, DST9

Jacksonville Jaguars, DST10

Jason Hanson, DET, PK17

Ryan Longwell, MIN, PK24

2 solid D's and 2 kickers that still have feet. fine. B or something to indicate that they don't suck.

Overall grade: C+

You definitely called the strength of your team correctly. The running back position is pretty much sewn up for you. The QB and WR 'depth' if we can call it that is pretty flimsy though. Though supposedly you've done very well at throwing enough crap against the wall with WR's that it keeps putting up points, so this could be under-rating you by a bit.

 

[Blue-Kun]

TEAM REACH - A.K.A. - Ruffrodys05

Carson Palmer, CIN, QB3

Matt Shaub, HOU, QB21

Palmer is on the short list of QB's who could end up #1 by the end of the year. Schaub is an unknown, but he's the unquestioned starter and has a great WR to throw too.

A-

Larry Johnson, KC, RB7

Edgerrin James, ARI, RB16

Tony Hunt, ®, RB38

Brian Calhoun, DET, RB45

Maurice Morris, SEA, RB50

Michael Robinson, SF, RB64

LJ + Edge, you did fine here. Your RB depth is really shaky though. Maurice Morris did diddly squat last year even with half the season to make a mark. Robinson is 3rd on the depth chart in SF and in reality, nobody is getting any FF points out of that pit if Gore goes down. Calhoun and Hunt are wild-cards, might do something and provide a few points, might not.B+ purely on the back of LJ and Edge.

T. J. Houshmandzadeh, CIN, WR12

Calvin Johnson, ®, WR26

Vincent Jackson, SD. WR33

Kevin Curtis, PHI, WR36

Drew Bennett, SL, WR50

Chad Jackson, NE, WR93

Housh and Curtis Vincent Jackson and Calvin

Bennett and Chad Jackson

Housh is great and I expect Kevin Curtis to excel with McNabb chucking him the ball. Then everything gets really hazy in a hurry. Rookie WR's are always tough to gauge on the whole, he could be a worthwhile #2 WR or a bust in his first year. Vincent Jackson isn't going to get a helluva lot of looks while Gates and LT are around, which makes him iffy. My opinion of Bennett is it's a year too soon to expect major returns, but he might surprise and end up as a viable #3 WR. Chad Jackson will probably be lucky to end up starting multiple games if he even ends up healthy.

By my count that gives you two guys you can really hang your hat on and four question marks. Those aren't great numbers to go by. Now if one hits, you'll fill your quota, but this is before any injuries. I'm ranking this as if you had 5 guys ready to go and 1 with serious potential to be on IR at the start of the season.

C / C-

Jermaine Wiggins, JAX, TE20

Leonard Pope, AZ, TE27

As you said, you didn't care about this position and it shows.D / D-

New England Patriots, DST6

New Orleans Saints, DST16

Robbie Gould, CHI, PK4

Jason Elam, DEN, PK6

AOverall Grade: C

Unfortunately for your team, your wide receivers are really up in the air and your going to get bashed every week at the TE position isn't going to help. Maybe I'll be wrong and Team Reach will prove us all wrong, would certainly be more entertaining that way.

 

[Pictus Cat]

And I thought I heard Jeff giggle04.11 Marc Bulger StL/7 09.04 Steve McNair Bal/7 01.04 Frank Gore SF/7 05.04 Marion Barber III Dal/3 to the tenth power...has he stopped yet11.04 Dominic Rhodes Ind/614.11 Brian Leonard FA20.11 Brandon Jackson FA02.11 Steve Smith Car/9 x 3 03.04 Andre Johnson Hou/5 x2 10.11 Keyshawn Johnson Car/907.04 Deion Branch NE/6 12.11 D.J. Hackett Sea/5 16.11 Samie Parker KC/313.04 Dwayne Bowe FA 06.11 Alge Crumpler Atl/5 15.04 Alex Smith TB/4 17.04 Stephen Gostkowski NE/6 19.04 Martin Gramatica Dal/3 08.11 Chicago Chi/7 18.11 Arizona Ari/9I considered stealing Barber (and Branch.) I found out something about myself. I'm not that mean.

Explain the 's for me like I'm 5... it's been a long evening....

It is a estimate of which players I thought you were happiest to get at that pick. I had an actual number of smilies to represent this like you were 5, but I guess there is a restriction on that kind of thing.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

It is a estimate of which players I thought you were happiest to get at that pick. I had an actual number of smilies to represent this like you were 5, but I guess there is a restriction on that kind of thing.

Ah, ok - yes, I was amazingly pleased in this draft.There were a few Good to Very Good steal opps, and IIRC AJ was a "perfect steal" - no one could steal him back - so that was nice as well.

 

[Pickle Rody]

TEAM REACH - A.K.A. - Ruffrodys05

Overall Grade: CUnfortunately for your team, your wide receivers are really up in the air and your going to get bashed every week at the TE position isn't going to help. Maybe I'll be wrong and Team Reach will prove us all wrong, would certainly be more entertaining that way.

Thanks Blue, I appreciate your comments! "Average" total team strength. I am pleased with that, believe it or not. As far as I'm concerned, I did not royally screw it up and can compete for at least a few weeks.Not sure if I want to grade other teams as I was not too sure about my own. I'll think about it a bit and possibly get back in here and post.

Again, thanks to all, had a great time with this. Special thanks to Rene, awesome job.

Rody

 

[LHUCKS]

Thanks for your comments, here is my rebuttle.

Matt Leinart, ARI, QB13

Byron Leftwich, JAC, QB21 REPICK

Leinart and Leftwich are some ballsy picks. Leinart will be fine since he's chucking it to Boldin and Fitz, but this year we'll get the first real look at how consistent a QB he can be game to game. Good luck on Leftwich ever finishing the season in one piece. Even when healthy, he hasn't exactly been tearing up the FF boards.

C+ / C

I have Leinart ranked #9 and Leftwich ranked #16...so we'll agree to disagree here.

Steven Jackson, SL, RB10

Deuce McCallister, NO, RB21

Brandon Jacobs, NYG, RB29

Anthony Thomas, BUF, RB46

Chris Brown, FA, RB49

Definitely your strong suit, I agree there. S-Jax and Duece should be great this season. Not high on Jacobs, but he should still see plenty of goal-line work. If Anthony Thomas is the starter in Buf by the start of the season, then you've got plenty of points to go around here week to week.

A

Jacobs is going to see a lot more than just goal line work.

Marques Colston, NO, WR14

Darrell Jackson, SEA, WR15

Eddie Kennison, KC, WR40

Reggie Williams, JAC WR49

Reche Caldwell, NE, WR70

Antonio Bryant, FA, WR72

David Givens, TEN, WR89

Ernest Wilford, JAX, WR90

Above average? The tag-line for this WR group should be, "Give us your old, your injured, your underachieving masses longing to be good..."

D-Jax and Kennison make this an old WR group? That's one way of spinning it.

We've got an aging #1 WR who's on a team with no clue who will be the starting QB.

A) Huard is starting FYI B) Kennison is still the #1 which makes him better than most #3s.

We follow it up with an under-achieving WR with some upside assuming JAX gets the offense turned around and revamped for FF purposes.

Underachieving at age 23?

Then Bryant has his wonderful suspension, assuming he even lands on a team that makes him relevant.

He'll be relevant by midseason...if I even need him.

Givens and Wilford are shots in the dark at best and Caldwell is on the Pats.

A) Givens is arguabley the best WR on TENN when healthy

B) Wilford is Reggie's handcuff and the #3 in a spread offense

C) Anything close to Caldwell's numbers from last year would justify his selection

 

[LHUCKS]

Continued...

So yeah, it's above average if the first two WR are healthy all season and perform to expectations. Following them you've got a whole lot of guys who could barely count as #3 wide outs.

Exaggerate much?? I count six starters when healthy.

C

Overall grade: C+

, for the record what is the letter grade for your team?

Though supposedly you've done very well at throwing enough crap against the wall with WR's that it keeps putting up points, so this could be under-rating you by a bit.

There you go...a nice little slick qualifier thrown in at the end. :backpedal:

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'm not exaggerating at all when I say that I think that is the worst survivor team I've ever seen LHUCKS draft. I don't think he'll make it to the bye weeks.

 

[LHUCKS]

I don't think he'll make it to the bye weeks.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Fullback Fro

Pick Player Team

11.07 Rex Grossman Chi/7

06.08 Matt Hasselbeck Sea/5

Drafted Rex last year and hge was actually perfect for survivor. He has some monster games. Pair him with Hass and I like this duo.

B

01.07 Clinton Portis Was/8

02.08 Cedric Benson Chi/7

05.07 LenDale White Ten/7

13.07 Lorenzo Booker FA

3 possible starters and a shifty 3rd down back. Need some thing to break correctly but the talenmt is there.

B

03.07 Javon Walker Den/4

04.08 Donte Stallworth Phi/9

12.08 Eric Parker SD/3

15.07 Patrick Crayton Dal/3

09.07 Brandon Jones Ten/7

14.08 Drew Carter Car/9

20.08 Robert Ferguson GB/6

10.08 Dwayne Jarrett FA

Two decent starters in Walker and Stallworth. Then I threw a bunch of #### against the wall and hope something sticks. 8 wr should net me decent points each week.

B+

08.08 Dallas Clark Ind/6

07.07 Vernon Davis SF/7

Two more than solid TE's and in 2 ppr this is the strength of my squadrin.

A

16.08 Nate Kaeding SD/3

17.07 Joe Nedney SF/7

19.07 San Francisco SF/7

18.08 Indianapolis Ind/6

Meh

B-

Overall - this team could compete.

 

[Duckboy]

07.05 Brett Favre GB/6

10.10 Jason Campbell Was/8

No penalties for turnovers, 6 pt passing TDs, Favre is money. Campbell has some decent upside. Grade B+

01.05 Reggie Bush NO/7

04.10 Ahman Green GB/6

09.05 Julius Jones Dal/3

15.05 Sammy Morris Mia/8

Bush is a PPR machine, Green looks to be a good match for the Houston game, JJ will get at least something week-to-week if not be a starter. Grade B+

03.05 Plaxico Burress NYG/4

06.10 Terry Glenn Dal/3

05.05 Reggie Brown Phi/9

08.10 Chris Henry Cin/5

13.05 Rod Smith Den/4

12.10 Demetrius Williams Bal/7

20.10 Mark Bradley Chi/7

19.05 Bobby Engram Sea/5

Interesting mix here - 2 quality yet up and down picks, 2 old "stable" guys, and 4 upside picks. Might have felt a little more confident with Roy instead of Plax but not too bad. Will likely be the make or break here if Plax/Glenn both have off weeks at the same time. Grade C+

02.10 Antonio Gates SD/3

14.10 Marcedes Lewis Jac/6

Gates in the late 2nd and didn't get stolen? I was pretty amazed there, but looked like TE value fell farther her anyway. Lewis likely won't score often but needed at least a backup and he has some upside. Grade A-

16.10 Shayne Graham Cin/5

17.05 John Kasay Car/9

11.05 Baltimore Bal/7

18.10 Carolina Car/9

Two excellent Ks and Ds, but these will vary anyway. Grade B+

Overall: Should have enough stability to make it through the early weeks, danger likely in the middle with WR flux. Upside to compete if they can last.

 

[Blue-Kun]

Fair enough on the QB thing, your higher on Leftwich than most, but we'll see how the offense goes this season.

for the record what is the letter grade for your team?

Same as yours. C+, (Goes up only if MJD repeats his performance from last year). My running backs are awful and TE isn't exactly a strength for me. Once I rechecked how many points kickers actually make in this format I don't care as much about potentially having only one, but I should have stolen or grabbed another RB before Bruce or any of that.

Underachieving at age 23?

Sure. If he's as good as you believe, he's been under-achieving at the position. Besides every year it seems like 1-2 of the JAX WR's are targeted as mid-round guys that could put up huge numbers that never come to fruition. Also, not a backpedal. I think half your wide-receivers are terrible and much of your depth is just warm bodies and no substance. Clear enough now?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Pictus Cat

02.06 Chad Johnson Cin/5 WR 1

05.09 Chris Chambers Mia/8

07.09 Brandon Marshall Den/4 WR 2 hopefully from Chambers and Marshall

13.09 Michael Jenkins Atl/5 WR 3 from the depth

17.09 Brandon Lloyd Was/8

20.06 Nate Burleson Sea/5

16.06 Sinorice Moss NYG/4

haven't analyzed these teams in depth, but so far this is the only instance I can find of the NYG/MIA bye issue manifesting so far (2 of 7 WRs, not bad). Only issue is it is 2 guys off in Week 9 - so 3 of the 5 have to deliver then - but it is his 3 alleged "starters".Obviously more to come when the sked comes out.

 

[Blue-Kun]

Wow, Duckboy's grades actually look completely fair. I'd nudge you up to an A on TE just for having Gates though.

Did have a question though, what was your thought on spending an 8th on Chris Henry? Do you see that much upside from him even with a possible suspension looming over him?

 

[Blue-Kun]

Fullback Fro Pick Player Team11.07 Rex Grossman Chi/706.08 Matt Hasselbeck Sea/5Drafted Rex last year and hge was actually perfect for survivor. He has some monster games. Pair him with Hass and I like this duo.B01.07 Clinton Portis Was/802.08 Cedric Benson Chi/705.07 LenDale White Ten/713.07 Lorenzo Booker FA3 possible starters and a shifty 3rd down back. Need some thing to break correctly but the talenmt is there.B03.07 Javon Walker Den/404.08 Donte Stallworth Phi/912.08 Eric Parker SD/315.07 Patrick Crayton Dal/309.07 Brandon Jones Ten/714.08 Drew Carter Car/920.08 Robert Ferguson GB/610.08 Dwayne Jarrett FATwo decent starters in Walker and Stallworth. Then I threw a bunch of #### against the wall and hope something sticks. 8 wr should net me decent points each week.B+08.08 Dallas Clark Ind/607.07 Vernon Davis SF/7Two more than solid TE's and in 2 ppr this is the strength of my squadrin. A16.08 Nate Kaeding SD/317.07 Joe Nedney SF/719.07 San Francisco SF/718.08 Indianapolis Ind/6MehB-Overall - this team could compete.

Woo boy. QB - Not a fan of Rex, of course I don't think anyone is at this point. Hasselbeck is a great way to ensure you pump points out at the position barring injuries. BRB - Clinton Portis is great when healthy. Beson seems like a big question mark though. Every time he's had a chance to win the starting job he's either screwed it up or gotten hurt. I think he has some talent, but he's shown so little in the past few years that I'd feel uncomfortable with him as my 2nd back. LenWhale White will hopefully be up to condition by the time the season rolls around. If he's still the starter, your set, otherwise I have some serious questions about your stable.B if LenWhale is the starter, otherwise a C+. WR - Walker and Stallworth are fine and have good upside; while Brandon Jones should hopefully score in the triple digits this year and be a legit #3 fantasy WR. I like Crayton a lot and I think he's a solid WR, but behind he's like the 4th/ 5th option when Romo is looking for players to chuck the ball too. Eric Parker is decent value that late and I'm pretty sure everyone else will be lucky to score over 75 FF points. I'd of really liked to see another WR taken instead of Jarrett, but once you get into the 10th round all WR have some issues. Overall a solid group of guys as long as Stallsworth makes it through 2/3rds of the season.BTE - I'm high on Davis this year I think Dallas Clark was a bit of a waste though. He hasn't finished the season any higher than the 16th ranked TE and he's scored 10 pts or more in less than half of his games in the last 3 years. So to me this looks like one TE purely for depth and one TE with a lot of talent. BDEF/K - 2 kickers and 2 D, it's fine. B- is fair.A well-rounded team overall, if things break your way, you could definitely have a shot at the end.

 

[Fullback Fro]

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Woo boy.

QB - Not a fan of Rex, of course I don't think anyone is at this point. Hasselbeck is a great way to ensure you pump points out at the position barring injuries.

Frankly, it doesn't matter if you or anyone is a fan. The fact of the mater is Rex was a more than adequate survivor QB. In 9/16 games in the regualr season I would have been happy to take his production for a league with this structure.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/player...0-3.php#gl-2006

In fact, He was a steal. He out produced many QB's that you are likely a fan of.

 

[Blue-Kun]

[

Woo boy.

QB - Not a fan of Rex, of course I don't think anyone is at this point. Hasselbeck is a great way to ensure you pump points out at the position barring injuries.

Frankly, it doesn't matter if you or anyone is a fan. The fact of the mater is Rex was a more than adequate survivor QB. In 9/16 games in the regualr season I would have been happy to take his production for a league with this structure.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/player...0-3.php#gl-2006

In fact, He was a steal. He out produced many QB's that you are likely a fan of.

Not really, then again I don't go bargain basement shopping for QB's. Like I said, as long as you never have to rely on him this season, nothing to worry about. Grossman is adequate when you saddle him with one of the other 17-18 QB's that put up similar numbers.

 

[Fullback Fro]

[

Woo boy.

QB - Not a fan of Rex, of course I don't think anyone is at this point. Hasselbeck is a great way to ensure you pump points out at the position barring injuries.

Frankly, it doesn't matter if you or anyone is a fan. The fact of the mater is Rex was a more than adequate survivor QB. In 9/16 games in the regualr season I would have been happy to take his production for a league with this structure.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/player...0-3.php#gl-2006

In fact, He was a steal. He out produced many QB's that you are likely a fan of.

Not really, then again I don't go bargain basement shopping for QB's. Like I said, as long as you never have to rely on him this season, nothing to worry about. Grossman is adequate when you saddle him with one of the other 17-18 QB's that put up similar numbers.

He outproduced Jake Delhomme who you took earlier. In a redraft league I can agree with you but in a survivor format Rex is perfect. Bottomline is Rex produced last year, is on a superbowl team, and is the unquestioned starter. Rex gets a lot of grief as a real NFL QB, but his fantasy stats in survivor leagues have been rock solid. And I am relying on him to help my QB duo and I fully expect him to be the QB that scores for me and I hope that it is ealry and often. If it is then it likey means he has had a big game to outscore Hasselbeck.

 

[Blue-Kun]

Jake Delhomme, in a crappy year, had 7/13 games @ 19 points or more. As you said, Grossman played the whole season and had 9 of those, I don't think they're quite that far apart. Point taken though.

My only contention was that I would never want to be in a situation where I was relying on Grossman. Otherwise, you do get half a season of very good numbers.

See, this is why I like commentary, provides discussion.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Rex gets a lot of grief as a real NFL QB, but his fantasy stats in survivor leagues have been rock solid. And I am relying on him to help my QB duo and I fully expect him to be the QB that scores for me and I hope that it is ealry and often.

Hey Fro.......I drafted Palmer and Grossman last year in MBSL3 and it was Grossman, not Palmer, that lead the way for the better part of the first 5 - 6 weeks, keeping my team in it, while others dropped out. I just happened to have Berrian as well. Come to think of it, I had both Grossman & Berrian the previous year also, but they did not do so well that year. I believe you are on the right track with your thinking here.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Barring Thanks to a steal by renesauz:

QB - Marc Bulger (9), Steve McNair (8)

RB - Frank Gore (6), MB3 (8), Dom Rhodes (5), Brandon Jackson ®, Brian Leonard ®

WR - Steve Smith (7), Andre Johnson (10), Keyshawn Johnson (7), Deion Branch (8), DJ Hackett (8), Samie Parker (8), Dwayne Bowe ®

TE - Alge Crumpler (8), Alex Smith (6)

PK - Stephen Gostkowski (10), Martin Gramatica (8)

DEF - Chicago (9), Arizona (8)

Looks like I skated through on byes.Lots of 8's though.

Week 4: NONE

Week 5: Dom Rhodes

Week 6: Gore, Alex Smith (TE)

Week 7: SSmith, Keyshawn

Week 8: McNair, MB3, Deion Branch, Hackett, Samie Parker (3 WRs!!!), Crumpler, Gramatica, Arizona D

Week 9: Bulger, Bears D

Week 10: AJ, Gostkowski

Looks like I need to Survive Week 8 the most - WRs are SSmith, AJ and Key plus a rookie in Bowe, plus Crumpler, but all others are 2nd string.

Could have been MUCH WORSE (See my PDSL team for example ).

 

[Pictus Cat]

Pictus Cat

Pick Player Team

06.06 Tom Brady NE/10

04.06 Donovan McNabb Phi/5

01.09 Willie Parker Pit/6

09.09 Warrick Dunn Atl/8

03.09 Cadillac Williams TB/10

15.09 Adrian Peterson Chi/9

14.06 Chris Perry Cin/5

02.06 Chad Johnson Cin/5

05.09 Chris Chambers Mia/9

13.09 Michael Jenkins Atl/8

07.09 Brandon Marshall Den/6

17.09 Brandon Lloyd Was/4

20.06 Nate Burleson Sea/8

16.06 Sinorice Moss NYG/9

08.06 Ben Watson NE/10

11.09 Owen Daniels Hou/10

12.06 Adam Vinatieri Ind/6

18.06 Jeff Reed Pit/6

10.06 San Diego SD/7

19.09 St. Louis StL/9

I hope McNabb is huge in week 10, or at least playing.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Ruffrodys05

Carson Palmer, CIN, QB3 (5)

Matt Shaub, HOU, QB21 (10)

Larry Johnson, KC, RB7 (8)

Edgerrin James, ARI, RB16 (8)

Tony Hunt, ®, RB38 (?)

Brian Calhoun, DET, RB45 (6)

Maurice Morris, SEA, RB50 (8)

Michael Robinson, SF, RB64 (6)

T. J. Houshmandzadeh, CIN, WR12 (5)

Calvin Johnson, ®, WR26 (?)

Vincent Jackson, SD. WR33 (7)

Kevin Curtis, PHI, WR36 (5)

Drew Bennett, STL, WR50 (9)

Chad Jackson, NE, WR93 (10)

Jermaine Wiggins, JAC, TE20 (4)

Leonard Pope, AZ, TE27 (8)

New England Patriots, DST6 (10)

New Orleans Saints, DST16 (4)

Robbie Gould, CHI, PK4 (9)

Jason Elam, DEN, PK6 (6)

Bump up to Housh following the Henry suspension.

This team won't last long at all. We get slammed at WR in week 5, then get slammed at RB in week 8. Be lucky to get out of week 5 still alive. If so, then it's a huge stretch to get out of week 8 alive. Not pinning my hopes on anything here.....only luck will make a difference from here on out.

Rody