White House Flagging Social Media Posts For "Disinformation" About Vaccine? (1 Viewer)

[jon_mx]

You don't seem to have lost yours. 

If I wanted to be heard on a larger platform like Twitter or YouTube, I have.  Even in here I have been suspended more than any other poster.

 

[FairWarning]

A year?  

I am still facing major shortages.  

 

[Navin Johnson]

I am still facing major shortages.  

So did you make up that number or just guess? 

 

[FairWarning]

So did you make up that number or just guess? 

NM, things are peachy 

 

[The Commish]

I am still facing major shortages.  

Not sure what kind of food you serve, but I have a general wonderment about something I've noticed.  Our stores had loads of chicken wings, slightly elevated in price, but not outrageous.  However, when I go into our local restaurants (it's my son's favorite thing to order...it's our thing) they are either off the menu or double the price.  Local place wanted $20 for 10 wings.  Any insight?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Not sure what kind of food you serve, but I have a general wonderment about something I've noticed.  Our stores had loads of chicken wings, slightly elevated in price, but not outrageous.  However, when I go into our local restaurants (it's my son's favorite thing to order...it's our thing) they are either off the menu or double the price.  Local place wanted $20 for 10 wings.  Any insight?

I know our store can't get our Buffalo tenders until fall.  Been without them for 1 month already.    I was led to believe it was a lot to do with the chicken supply, as they used the chicken for our regular tenders instead of for the less popular buffalo variety.  That way we didn't run out of the regular kind.  

ETA:  and yes, cost went up as well.  Not as extreme as what you saw, but I think company wide they upped the price of the chicken product by $1-2 over the summer.  

 

[FairWarning]

Not sure what kind of food you serve, but I have a general wonderment about something I've noticed.  Our stores had loads of chicken wings, slightly elevated in price, but not outrageous.  However, when I go into our local restaurants (it's my son's favorite thing to order...it's our thing) they are either off the menu or double the price.  Local place wanted $20 for 10 wings.  Any insight?

I didn’t mean to give Navin a snarky answer, it’s been a busy day.  I deal with the grocery end of it.  I do suspect it’s the pent-up demand to eat out which is causing the chicken wing shortage.  I did see something on one of the news channels about this.  Beef prices have shot up thru the roof for restaurants also.  
 

Last year, the COVID was the major factor in shortages, this year, it’s mainly labor costs.  It really sucks to get cut 40% in the busiest time of the year - it cannot be made up.  I make 35% of my income in this month and cannot get my orders filled.  Back to Bartending on the side I guess. 

 

[djmich]

Is none of the cost increase labor?  Not sure how much labor is as a proportion of the average cost of a chicken nugget.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Is none of the cost increase labor?  Not sure how much labor is as a proportion of the average cost of a chicken nugget.

I would guess that's part of the problem, but I think people overestimate how much increase wages effect prices.   We've been told most of the issues are coming from labor shortages and supplies not being able to keep up with demand as people are getting out again and maybe have more money.  Also, if I am right, I think corn/feed is up, as is fuel, so everything is adding up at once.  

 

[The Commish]

I didn’t mean to give Navin a snarky answer, it’s been a busy day.  I deal with the grocery end of it.  I do suspect it’s the pent-up demand to eat out which is causing the chicken wing shortage.  I did see something on one of the news channels about this.  Beef prices have shot up thru the roof for restaurants also.  
 

Last year, the COVID was the major factor in shortages, this year, it’s mainly labor costs.  It really sucks to get cut 40% in the busiest time of the year - it cannot be made up.  I make 35% of my income in this month and cannot get my orders filled.  Back to Bartending on the side I guess. 

Well, I thought you guys may be able to provide the insight I was looking for...geeze!!!!!  Kidding of course GB!

Just thought I'd ask the question.  It's a really weird thing.  Normally when I see prices rise or lower it's across the board.  This wing thing has me perplexed.  The good news is, we've started experimenting with different kinds of sauces and the like at home.  Good times being had until the restaurants get it together and settle down.

 

[djmich]

PRES. BIDEN: "You're not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations."

Good thing we have a disinformation thread to dump all the stuff the admin says.

I'm not even sure what to say any more, the jokes write themselves.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Now it's Klobuchar too.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) introduced new legislation today that aims to finally hold tech companies responsible for allowing misinformation about vaccines and other health issues to spread online.

The bill, called the Health Misinformation Act and co-sponsored by Sen. Ray Luján (D-NM), would create an exception to the landmark internet law Section 230, which has always shielded tech companies like Facebook, Google, and Twitter from being sued over almost any of the content people post on their platforms.

https://www.vox.com/recode/2021/7/22/22588829/amy-klobuchar-health-misinformation-act-section-230-covid-19-facebook-twitter-youtube-social-media

Republicans have been carrying on this nonsense about Section 230 for years now.  So depressing to see this spread to the other party too.  

 

[the rover]

Good.   Section 230 is way too broad. 

Now it's Klobuchar too.

https://www.vox.com/recode/2021/7/22/22588829/amy-klobuchar-health-misinformation-act-section-230-covid-19-facebook-twitter-youtube-social-media

Republicans have been carrying on this nonsense about Section 230 for years now.  So depressing to see this spread to the other party too.  

Biden and other Democrats have advocated paring back Section 230 for years.    It's way too broad.   Social media providers should be at least potentially liable for allowing people to post dangerously misleading information, even if the standard of care is low, there should be a threshold where they are held accountable.

 

[ekbeats]

Good.   Section 230 is way too broad. 

Biden and other Democrats have advocated paring back Section 230 for years.    It's way too broad.   Social media providers should be at least potentially liable for allowing people to post dangerously misleading information, even if the standard of care is low, there should be a threshold where they are held accountable.

Yay authoritarianism!

 

[the rover]

Yay authoritarianism!

There's nothing authoritarian about it.   The law was never intended to provide unlimited liability protection.  No other country provides a wholesale shield like this.  

Providers will have to self-police or be exposed to liability for their negligence, just like every other private business.  There would still need to be a finding of liability based on negligent, reckless or intentional acts or omissions on the part of the provider.    Limiting this exception to issues relating to health misinformation means that nobody is going to decide to shut down rather than risk hosting content.  It's a pretty narrow exception.

Weird no Republicans were up in arms when Trump was calling for repealing Section 230 entirely, or when he tried to narrow it by executive order.    

 

[ekbeats]

There's nothing authoritarian about it.   The law was never intended to provide unlimited liability protection.  No other country provides a wholesale shield like this.  

Providers will have to self-police or be exposed to liability for their negligence, just like every other private business.  There would still need to be a finding of liability based on negligent, reckless or intentional acts or omissions on the part of the provider.    Limiting this exception to issues relating to health misinformation means that nobody is going to decide to shut down rather than risk hosting content.  It's a pretty narrow exception.

Weird no Republicans were up in arms when Trump was calling for repealing Section 230 entirely, or when he tried to narrow it by executive order.    

I actually misunderstood what it was about.  Your point is a good one- no one should be precluded from being sued.

 

[RCon]

At the risk of sounding like a shill, I'd advise anyone interested in Section 230 to read the Wired article from a couple months ago on this.  It's really good, although unfortunately paywalled.  For those interested, send me a PM.

 

[MAC_32]

I didn’t mean to give Navin a snarky answer, it’s been a busy day.  I deal with the grocery end of it.  I do suspect it’s the pent-up demand to eat out which is causing the chicken wing shortage.  I did see something on one of the news channels about this.  Beef prices have shot up thru the roof for restaurants also.  
 

Last year, the COVID was the major factor in shortages, this year, it’s mainly labor costs.  It really sucks to get cut 40% in the busiest time of the year - it cannot be made up.  I make 35% of my income in this month and cannot get my orders filled.  Back to Bartending on the side I guess. 

I can't provide (good) context, but my father-in-law is in sales for a company that supplies paper and plastic products to food service operations. This has been the worst 4 months of his career and there's no end in sight. Well, there is - he's retiring in January, but expects the problems to continue beyond when his clock runs out.

His company essentially either gets non-guaranteed delivery times of weeks or months or must pay a very high premium to get priority service. 'Glue from China' and the polar vortex shutting down plastics operations in Texas are his biggest issues, but typically it's multiple issues at once - those two are frequently at least one of them. The supply chain issues for food service operations extend way beyond what he's in control over too - i.e. chicken wing suppliers are telling their customers essentially the same thing. If you want 'em then you gotta pay for 'em - cause there aren't many. This is all why it's going to take so long to catch up though. It's not just one component of the supply chain that's an issue right now; it's all sorts of different sectors. 

 

[jm192]

Now it's Klobuchar too.

https://www.vox.com/recode/2021/7/22/22588829/amy-klobuchar-health-misinformation-act-section-230-covid-19-facebook-twitter-youtube-social-media

Republicans have been carrying on this nonsense about Section 230 for years now.  So depressing to see this spread to the other party too.  

Can you elaborate on this?  Are you against re-examining 230?  
 

 

[FairWarning]

I can't provide (good) context, but my father-in-law is in sales for a company that supplies paper and plastic products to food service operations. This has been the worst 4 months of his career and there's no end in sight. Well, there is - he's retiring in January, but expects the problems to continue beyond when his clock runs out.

His company essentially either gets non-guaranteed delivery times of weeks or months or must pay a very high premium to get priority service. 'Glue from China' and the polar vortex shutting down plastics operations in Texas are his biggest issues, but typically it's multiple issues at once - those two are frequently at least one of them. The supply chain issues for food service operations extend way beyond what he's in control over too - i.e. chicken wing suppliers are telling their customers essentially the same thing. If you want 'em then you gotta pay for 'em - cause there aren't many. This is all why it's going to take so long to catch up though. It's not just one component of the supply chain that's an issue right now; it's all sorts of different sectors. 

I was talking to a Frito rep today.  Their bosses are HOPING to have full distribution within nine months:   Doesn’t do much good today in the middle of summer business.  Bread sections blown, water empty, Pepsi on strike…what a mess.

Since I took roughly a 40% pay cut this week because of shortages, I went back to bartending two nights a week.  Dealing with the people now is interesting to say the least.  Even more entitlement than before in expecting service.