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Who are your top 12 TE's? (1 Viewer)

Jayrod

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In all seriousness, how do you guys rank them and what are your tiers? Lots of discussions about the individuals going on, but where are you slotting them in the draft?

Here's mine:

Tier 1:

1. Gates

2. Finley

3. Witten

4. Clark

5. Davis

Tier 2:

6. Celek

7. Gonzalez

8. Winslow

Tier 3:

9. Zach Miller

10. Daniels

Tier 4:

11. Heath Miller

12. Shiancoe

I'd love to just wait and take the last of the top 5 as I think any of them could be TE1 at the end of the season. If that doesn't happen, I usually find myself with either of the tier 3 guys as I like their potential to have a top 5 season over the proven guys in tier 2 (although I'd take Celek if the price was right).

 
I don't do tiers but I think Gates, Finley and Clark are pretty close to can't miss. Don't see much downside with them.

4 V Davis

5 Witten

6 Daniels

7 Z Miller

8 Celek

9 Gonzalez

10 Winslow

11 Cooley

12 Shiancoe

 
Here are mine, I'm sure they are a lot difference then some others:

Tier 1:

A. Gates -> Consistent, main recieving threat, can score and get yards

Tier 2:

D.Clark -> Again consistent, and will catch a lot of balls, but offense has so many weapons

B. Celek -> Think he's going to be TD monster (10+) this year, along with lots of receptions and yards

Gonzo -> Still has what it takes; 2nd target on team. See a repeat of last year with a few more TD's

Z.Miller -> All he's missing from getting into Tier 1 is more RZ opportunities. Think the replacement of Russell with Campbell will certainly help in that area

TIer 3:

Finley -> Overhyped, but will be a solid option. So many weapons on GB and think that teams will start to game plan around stopping him. Got him at 70/810/8

Daniels -> Concerned about his recovery, but if healthy he has the ability to be top 5

Witten -> Low TD numbers are the concern here, offense has so many options and only so many passes to throw.

H. Miller -> Put up a sneaky good yaer last year and I see him repeating

V. Davis -> I don't think he'll repeat his 13 TD campaign of last year, but still think he'll be targeted consistently. I see the TD's way down.

Tier 4:

G. Olsen -> Wild card in how Martz will use him. But he has the talent.

K. Winslow -> Underrated TE that puts up consistent numbers week in and week out

 
I am suprised to not see Cooley on these lists. I think that McNabb is going to be targeting him early and often.

My Tiers:

1:

Antonio Gates - #1 option of a top young QB

2:

Dallas Clark - Cannot dismiss the numbers from last season, but lots of competition for targets, especially with Gonzo coming back.

Vernon Davis - Let's see if the TDs are still there 2 years in a row. Still a physical beast.

Jason Witten - The catches and yards are still there, now he just needs another 4-5 TDs to get back on top.

Brent Celek - 2 biggest games were with Kolb at QB - can that continue this season?

3:

Jermichael Finley - I just want to see him do it over a full season before putting him up more than this.

Tony Gonzalez - Still doing it at age 34, but how much longer can it last?

Zach Miller - PPR monster...should be the #1 receiver in OAK once again this year

Visanthe Shiancoe - TDs aplenty, and should be in line for more catches with Rice out.

4:

Kellen Winslow - could have a big season with 2 rookies lining up next to him

Greg Olsen - Good season last year, and rumors are that Martz will actually use common sense and use him this season.

Heath Miller - Career high in catches last season...no more Holmes means more checkdowns to him?

Owen Daniels - Off to a great start last year before his injury - would be a couple tiers higher if not for concerns

Chris Cooley - Same deal as Daniels, except he also has Davis to contend with. Still, McNabb likes his TEs, and Cooley may be his best one he has ever had.

5:

John Carlson - I wish I could put him higher...the fact he is this low just illustrates the depth at the position this year.

Dustin Keller - amazing postseason, but lots of competition for targets and still-young QB, plus this is a running team.

Todd Heap - he has looked good this preseason - maybe the drafted competition has re-invigorated him?

Fred Davis - He was excellent last season once he took over the starting position - talk is about having him and Cooley on the field together.

 
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I am suprised to not see Cooley on these lists. I think that McNabb is going to be targeting him early and often.
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I think what keeps Cooley out of the discussion is 1) the overall depth of the TE position and 2) the uncertainty of how much F. Davis is going to take away from him.
 
gandalas said:
I am suprised to not see Cooley on these lists. I think that McNabb is going to be targeting him early and often.
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If Favre was back, I'd have him over Shiancoe, but the threat of injuries to him & McNabb plus Fred Davis' emergence have me a bit more down on him.
 
I think people are over looking one TE, Finley; he plays for Green Bay and I'm sure most of you have never heard of him. He's on my list as a sleeper and should fly under the radar. I plan to pick him up in round 15ish-16ish.

 
Finley could very easily not materialize in this offense. It's great to be in front of the wave on these young guys, but people are putting him at a top tier of TEs and he has 5 career TDs and only 71 targets last year.

For perspective, Celek saw 112 targets last year and hauled in 8 TDs on 76 catches and himself is only 25.

Those doing the projections have slightly downgraded Celek from last year, but not unreasonably so. For Finley, however, they're bumping him up to numbers that EXCEED Celek's breakout season from last year, which is a huge jump. Not saying it won't happen, but the hype train is accelerating at an unbelievable rate and I'm just not convinced he's going to make a jump from 5 to 9 TDs and from 55 to 80 catches.

 
PPR

1. Gates

2. Finley

3. Clark

4. Witten

5. Davis

6. Gonzalez

7. Z. Miller

8. Celek

9. O. Daniels

10. Winslow

11. Cooley

12. Shiancoe

 
10tihwj said:
Finley could very easily not materialize in this offense. It's great to be in front of the wave on these young guys, but people are putting him at a top tier of TEs and he has 5 career TDs and only 71 targets last year. For perspective, Celek saw 112 targets last year and hauled in 8 TDs on 76 catches and himself is only 25.Those doing the projections have slightly downgraded Celek from last year, but not unreasonably so. For Finley, however, they're bumping him up to numbers that EXCEED Celek's breakout season from last year, which is a huge jump. Not saying it won't happen, but the hype train is accelerating at an unbelievable rate and I'm just not convinced he's going to make a jump from 5 to 9 TDs and from 55 to 80 catches.
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But have you seen the way he looks in those tight pants?Top 5 all time. :rolleyes:
 
HenryWinklerRulez said:
Love me some zach miller late late late
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If it's late late late and it's Miller Time I think Zac will be gone but Heath should be a great bargin and see a ton of targets.
 
Jayrod said:
In all seriousness, how do you guys rank them and what are your tiers? Lots of discussions about the individuals going on, but where are you slotting them in the draft?

Here's mine:

Tier 1:

1. Gates

2. Finley

3. Witten

4. Clark

5. Davis

Tier 2:

6. Celek

7. Gonzalez

8. Winslow

Tier 3:

9. Zach Miller

10. Daniels

Tier 4:

11. Heath Miller

12. Shiancoe

I'd love to just wait and take the last of the top 5 as I think any of them could be TE1 at the end of the season. If that doesn't happen, I usually find myself with either of the tier 3 guys as I like their potential to have a top 5 season over the proven guys in tier 2 (although I'd take Celek if the price was right).
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The problem with waiting to get the last of those top 5 is that they go in pretty rapid succession. In a dynasty start-up that is currently in progress they all went between picks 4.3 and 5.7. In a 3 keeper draft I recently completed, 4 of them went in an 11 pick span. In another start-up dynasty the same 4 went between picks 4.7 and 5.11. In a 12 team redraft the same 4 all went before 4.10 and in a 10 team redraft the same 4 again went in a 5 pick span at the end of the 4th/beginning of the 5th. Witten was the one to fall in 3 of those drafts, but not by that much. This is pretty much backed up by the FBG ADP rankings. If you plan on waiting you should be hoping Witten falls to the 6th, or be looking at your tier 2 guys.
 
10tihwj said:
Finley could very easily not materialize in this offense. It's great to be in front of the wave on these young guys, but people are putting him at a top tier of TEs and he has 5 career TDs and only 71 targets last year. For perspective, Celek saw 112 targets last year and hauled in 8 TDs on 76 catches and himself is only 25.Those doing the projections have slightly downgraded Celek from last year, but not unreasonably so. For Finley, however, they're bumping him up to numbers that EXCEED Celek's breakout season from last year, which is a huge jump. Not saying it won't happen, but the hype train is accelerating at an unbelievable rate and I'm just not convinced he's going to make a jump from 5 to 9 TDs and from 55 to 80 catches.
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71 targets is very misleading. He didn't play at all in 4-5 games and played very minimal snaps in 3 more.Week 1 - 1 TargetWeek 3 - Zero targets...not sure if he playedWeek 7 - 1 Target - Finley left early in the first quarter after catching a ball on a crossing route but taking a low hit while trying to turn the ball upfield. The Packers are calling his injury a knee sprain, but haven't yet released more information. Week 8 - Finley was out with a knee injury, and sorely missed. Week 9 - dnpWeek 10 - dnpWeek's 11 on is when he finally was healthy and the starting TE11 - 10 trgts12 - 6 trgts13 - 8 trgts14 - 7 trgts15 - 10 trgts16 - 4 trgts17 - 5 trgts18 - 9 trgtsin those games he had 44 for 575 and 4 tds
 
71 targets is very misleading. He didn't play at all in 4-5 games and played very minimal snaps in 3 more.Week 1 - 1 TargetWeek 3 - Zero targets...not sure if he playedWeek 7 - 1 Target - Finley left early in the first quarter after catching a ball on a crossing route but taking a low hit while trying to turn the ball upfield. The Packers are calling his injury a knee sprain, but haven't yet released more information. Week 8 - Finley was out with a knee injury, and sorely missed. Week 9 - dnpWeek 10 - dnpWeek's 11 on is when he finally was healthy and the starting TE11 - 10 trgts12 - 6 trgts13 - 8 trgts14 - 7 trgts15 - 10 trgts16 - 4 trgts17 - 5 trgts18 - 9 trgtsin those games he had 44 for 575 and 4 tds
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A little quick math and those numbers project, over 16 games, to:88 / 1150 / 8 TDsThat is WR1 type production
 
Tier 1:

finley

clark

gates

davis

Tier 2

Celek

Gonzalez

Witten

Tier3

Winslow

Shiancoe

Tier4

Chris Cooley's junk

Heath Miller

Greg Olsen

 
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1. Gates

2. Finley

3. Clark

4. Witten

5. Davis

6. Celek

7. Z. Miller

8. Gonzalez

9. Daniels

10. Shiancoe

11. Winslow

12. H. Miller

 
those who worry about finley have no need to fear. even rodgers acknowledges how big of a season he is on track for. a week or so back he was on nfl network for an interview with eisen, and rich told him he drafted rodgers so he better have a good season, to which rodgers responded with something like "get finley and you will really have a team"

the reason the hype train is so strong right now is because people saw what he was capable of last two nationally televised games against indy this preseason and AZ in the wildcard game. hes no joke people, chances are that he will be #1 te this year

 
I went into my auction draft this weekend and absolutely wanted Finley but I was trying to run the price up on Gates and surprisingly I managed to get "stuck" with Gates for only a couple more dollars then Finley, Dallas Clark and Witten!

 
1. Gates - first part of the season without VJ

2. Finley in games 5-8

3. Clark

4. Finley in games 13-16 (colder weather, otherwise top 3)

5. Finley in games 9-12

6. Davis

7. Finely in games 1-4 (slow start - don't panic)

8. Witten

9. Gozo

10. Celek

11. Winslow

12. Daniels

 
-jb- said:
Whole lotta Finley haters in here. He should be 1 through 12. All of them.
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You've got it all wrong. Finley transcends numbers. Instead of trying to express Jermichael Finley in numbers, we should try to express all the other TEs in Jermichael Finleys.For example, Antonio Gates is 3/1000 Finleys, Dallas Clark is 2/1000 Finleys, Vernon Davis and Jason Witten are both 1/1000 Finleys, and I'd express all the other TEs in Finleys but Finleys can't be broken down that small.
 
SSOG said:
-jb- said:
Whole lotta Finley haters in here. He should be 1 through 12. All of them.
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You've got it all wrong. Finley transcends numbers. Instead of trying to express Jermichael Finley in numbers, we should try to express all the other TEs in Jermichael Finleys.For example, Antonio Gates is 3/1000 Finleys, Dallas Clark is 2/1000 Finleys, Vernon Davis and Jason Witten are both 1/1000 Finleys, and I'd express all the other TEs in Finleys but Finleys can't be broken down that small.
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:lmao:
 
1

Finely(4.11)

Gates(4.7)

Clark(4.5)

Vernon(5.5)

2

Witten(5.9)

Gonzo(6.11)

Zach(9.11)

Cooley(9.1)

Celek(6.4)

Daniels(7.12)

Winslow(11.3)

3

Keller(13.6)

Olsen(13.5)

Heath(13.8)

Gresh(13.12)

Carlson(12.11)

Shincaoe(9.1)

 
Sometimes people actually live up to the hype... (chris johnson his rookie year, ray rice last year)

Barring injury expect Finley to do the same.

 
Joke all you want. I like Finley. And I think he will be the #1 TE this year. Injury is of course the great equalizer, but if he and ARod are upright for 16 I think he's by far and away the most likely #1 overall TE this year. In PPR leagues I'd take Finley ahead of all but elite WRs. You can have Gates, Clark and VD. I'll take the #1 read on the #1 rated fantasy offense and plug him in at TE!!! When was the last time we've been able to do that? How did that work out?

Full Disclosure: current Finley and V.Davis owner. What's going on with VD, Shark Pool?!? How come nobody is talking about this guy's mysterious injury???

 
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SSOG said:
-jb- said:
Whole lotta Finley haters in here. He should be 1 through 12. All of them.
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You've got it all wrong. Finley transcends numbers. Instead of trying to express Jermichael Finley in numbers, we should try to express all the other TEs in Jermichael Finleys.For example, Antonio Gates is 3/1000 Finleys, Dallas Clark is 2/1000 Finleys, Vernon Davis and Jason Witten are both 1/1000 Finleys, and I'd express all the other TEs in Finleys but Finleys can't be broken down that small.
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While like the concept, I think you need to be more realistic about the scale itself. There's no way that Gates is worth that many Finleys.
 
The Finley-realists are now worse than the Finley-lovers in this place. I guess it's still cute.

 
LawFitz said:
Joke all you want. I like Finley. And I think he will be the #1 TE this year. Injury is of course the great equalizer, but if he and ARod are upright for 16 I think he's by far and away the most likely #1 overall TE this year. In PPR leagues I'd take Finley ahead of all but elite WRs. You can have Gates, Clark and VD. I'll take the #1 read on the #1 rated fantasy offense and plug him in at TE!!! When was the last time we've been able to do that? How did that work out?Full Disclosure: current Finley and V.Davis owner. What's going on with VD, Shark Pool?!? How come nobody is talking about this guy's mysterious injury???
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WTH does Finley have to do with Alex Rodriguez?
 
Jayrod said:
In all seriousness, how do you guys rank them and what are your tiers? Lots of discussions about the individuals going on, but where are you slotting them in the draft?

Here's mine:

Tier 1:

1. Gates

2. Finley

3. Witten ??

4. Clark

5. Davis

Tier 2:

6. Celek

7. Gonzalez

8. Winslow ??

Tier 3:

9. Zach Miller ??

10. Daniels

Tier 4:

11. Heath Miller

12. Shiancoe

I'd love to just wait and take the last of the top 5 as I think any of them could be TE1 at the end of the season. If that doesn't happen, I usually find myself with either of the tier 3 guys as I like their potential to have a top 5 season over the proven guys in tier 2 (although I'd take Celek if the price was right).
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I'd bump witten down, daniels up, winslow down, bump zach off and replace with cooley.
 
TheWick said:
71 targets is very misleading. He didn't play at all in 4-5 games and played very minimal snaps in 3 more.

Week 1 - 1 Target

Week 3 - Zero targets...not sure if he played

Week 7 - 1 Target - Finley left early in the first quarter after catching a ball on a crossing route but taking a low hit while trying to turn the ball upfield. The Packers are calling his injury a knee sprain, but haven't yet released more information.

Week 8 - Finley was out with a knee injury, and sorely missed.

Week 9 - dnp

Week 10 - dnp

Week's 11 on is when he finally was healthy and the starting TE

11 - 10 trgts

12 - 6 trgts

13 - 8 trgts

14 - 7 trgts

15 - 10 trgts

16 - 4 trgts

17 - 5 trgts

18 - 9 trgts

in those games he had

44 for 575 and 4 tds
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I'll steal some snap counts for you from profootballfocus while they're still free:I'm just going to list the pass play counts with pass blocks in parentheses.

1

finley - 17(2)

lee - 15(4)

2

finley - 33(4)

lee - 17(5)

3

finley - 13(3)

lee - 16(2)

4

finley - 23(0)

lee - 27(4)

6

finley - 25(4)

lee - 26(5)

7

finley - 1(0)

lee - 22(5)

havner - 12(2) - 1 TD

8

finley - 0

lee - 43(1)

havner - 7(0) - 2 TD

9

finley - 0

lee - 26(7)

havner - 7(4)

10

finley - 0

lee - 31(4)

havner - 6(3) - 1 TD

11

finley - 34(0)

lee - 20(1)

12

finley - 22(0)

lee - 27(2)

13

finley - 31(0)

lee - 25(2)

14

finley - 18(0)

lee - 10(2)

15

finley - 33(3)

lee - 18(5)

16

finley - 21(0)

lee - 16(2)

17

finley - 21(0)

lee - 11(1)

18

finley - 43(0)

lee - 24(2)

I think those last 8 games are when he was considered a 'starter' by the coaching staff, and the first 5 were more likely him breaking in as a 2nd year 22 yr old --- anyway, that's the case the finley luvas make.

another thing to consider is that in those last 8 I think he had something like 17 red zone targets, which is pretty strong.

for comparison, I think gonzalez led his position in that stat with 29 over a full 16 games.

edit: btw, I hate to turn this into a finley thread, but gates is considered pretty good, and it wasn't 'til his 2nd and 3rd year at 24 and 25 that he started lighting it up.

for gonzalez, it was his 3rd year at 23, shannon sharpe -- his 4th year as a 25 yr old.

 
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