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Who gets Revis in week 13? (1 Viewer)

I think it will vary depending on the situation. He will probably cover Branch the most but I wouldn't be surprised to see him on Welker or either tight end. It's a weird situation for fantasy, because you can't comfortably bench 1 receiver.

 
This is what I like to call "the revis weakness" , and one of the reasons the dolphins played well against them last year. When a team has no "definite" #1 WR, it dilutes revis' ability to affect the game. He is a shutdown corner playing a man, not playing the QB. I would say he covers branch, bc welker in the slot is a waste to cover with a guy like revis.

Who knows.

 
bushisdaman said:
Who is on the Island in week 13? Welker? Branch? Tate? Woodhead? I am guessing Welker but wouldnt rule out Branch.
Woodhead? Are u kidding me?Revis said that he would probably be on Deion Branch or Welker.
 
There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show.

Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!

 
There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show.

Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!
Don't bench your studs, UNLESS you want to win
 
There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show. Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!
Have you watched the Jets this season? Their pass rushers are not good at all. In fact, that's the major flaw with this team. And if Revis following Jennings for a half, then Calvin and Andre Johnson and TO and shutting them all down doesn't qualify as Revis Island, what does?
 
There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show. Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!
Have you watched the Jets this season? Their pass rushers are not good at all. In fact, that's the major flaw with this team. And if Revis following Jennings for a half, then Calvin and Andre Johnson and TO and shutting them all down doesn't qualify as Revis Island, what does?
Yes I have, I have 3 Jets on one fantasy team (starters) in fact. I dont have the defense but I know enough that they have a pretty stout group. Revis, Cromartie are obvious, both good. Jason Taylor, Bart Scott, Calvin Pace excellent LBs. Ellis and Goulston are good upfront, and I am sure there is someone else Im missing. Add to that the mind set of Rex Ryan which is "get pressure on the QB". They don't get a ton of sacks but they always want to pressure the QB. That is Jets football the way I have seen them
 
There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show. Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!
Is Branch considered a stud now? I'm really asking. Might not be so crazy to play someone like a Hartline who's hit double digits in 8 out of 11 weeks so far over Branch. You couldn't trust Branch at all over the last 5 years....now he poses a real tough question this week. Welker sure- don't bench him, but Branch makes you stop and think a little. Very hard to picture how this game will look.
 
Not an expert/die hard Jets fan but I have never seen Revis constantly in the slot, which is where Welker is about 50% of the time. So we will see. Either way, with Brady and the way they spread it out, I can't believe anyone would bench any of the NE players that they would normally start.

 
I wish it were Welker but I doubt it. I did see Revis play against Driver in the slot some but just can't see it as part of an actual gameplan.

that leaves me thinking he will play a side and basically do the old Deion Sanders thing and cut the field in half.

THAT makes me think that this game comes down to Brady doing some dinking and dunking and getting the TEs and Woodhead involved. Their success the key to the game?

 
There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show.

Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!
Have you watched the Jets this season? Their pass rushers are not good at all. In fact, that's the major flaw with this team. And if Revis following Jennings for a half, then Calvin and Andre Johnson and TO and shutting them all down doesn't qualify as Revis Island, what does?
Ellis and Goulston are good upfront,
What?
 
There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show.

Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!
Have you watched the Jets this season? Their pass rushers are not good at all. In fact, that's the major flaw with this team. And if Revis following Jennings for a half, then Calvin and Andre Johnson and TO and shutting them all down doesn't qualify as Revis Island, what does?
:tinfoilhat: Glad it didn't take long for a homer to say this. Our ends are not that good against the pass. We need an Abraham back, or someone of that ilk. I saw first hand what a Mario Williams-type player can do without too much support, and it would be scary to add a piece like that into this system.
 
There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show.

Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!
Have you watched the Jets this season? Their pass rushers are not good at all. In fact, that's the major flaw with this team. And if Revis following Jennings for a half, then Calvin and Andre Johnson and TO and shutting them all down doesn't qualify as Revis Island, what does?
:goodposting: Glad it didn't take long for a homer to say this. Our ends are not that good against the pass. We need an Abraham back, or someone of that ilk. I saw first hand what a Mario Williams-type player can do without too much support, and it would be scary to add a piece like that into this system.
Or Jenkins
 
There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show. Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!
It's not JUSt the system, but the system helps a ton. In this case, it's tough for him to totally affect the outcome as the Pats lack that one big threat he's designed to kill off. FWIW, he didnt have Cro last year - the other corners were not good - and he still shut most of the league down most of the time. He's far better than average but also far from perfect. The scheme makes ahuge difference for him as well and enchances his skills.Now, Welker is always interesting against the Jets because he plays across the middle so well and since the Jets blitz their LBs lots, there is usually a gap. A SS like Leonhard will cover but the Jets Safeties aren't great.Usually that's how the Jets get beat by NE - Brady just kills them short and across the middle, where they are weak. Last time out Welker wasn't a factor and Revis was hurt, so Moss was free. No Moss this time, no real vertical threat, so I';m curious to see how the Pats approach the offense. They are running a lot more and Hernandez and Gronk are two more guys who can work the field short.It's going to be an interesting battle - but like has already been said, I'm not sure how much Revis will affect this outcome, even if he's on Welker. The Pats don't depend much on just one guy. That's a strength of theirs and they are very godo with it.
 
This is what I like to call "the revis weakness" , and one of the reasons the dolphins played well against them last year. When a team has no "definite" #1 WR, it dilutes revis' ability to affect the game. He is a shutdown corner playing a man, not playing the QB. I would say he covers branch, bc welker in the slot is a waste to cover with a guy like revis. Who knows.
:goodposting:
 
Unless there is an elite WR to go up against, I don't understand why teams put their best cover corner on the same guy all game long. Wouldn't it make the QB have to think way more by mixing up coverage and not knowing who he could target each play? Deception seems like it would be a good thing, no?

 
There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show.

Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!
Have you watched the Jets this season? Their pass rushers are not good at all. In fact, that's the major flaw with this team. And if Revis following Jennings for a half, then Calvin and Andre Johnson and TO and shutting them all down doesn't qualify as Revis Island, what does?
:goodposting: Glad it didn't take long for a homer to say this. Our ends are not that good against the pass. We need an Abraham back, or someone of that ilk. I saw first hand what a Mario Williams-type player can do without too much support, and it would be scary to add a piece like that into this system.
Or Jenkins
Jenkins does not rush the passer, he clogs the middle. Pouha and DeVito are more than capable of filling in. In fact, they are probably as good together as Jenkins. We need a pass rusher that can play the run, not a run stuffer who can sometimes get to the QB. I'm fully aware that Mario Williams doesnt come around often, so the FO needs to get creative.
 
There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show.

Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!
Have you watched the Jets this season? Their pass rushers are not good at all. In fact, that's the major flaw with this team. And if Revis following Jennings for a half, then Calvin and Andre Johnson and TO and shutting them all down doesn't qualify as Revis Island, what does?
:thumbup: Glad it didn't take long for a homer to say this. Our ends are not that good against the pass. We need an Abraham back, or someone of that ilk. I saw first hand what a Mario Williams-type player can do without too much support, and it would be scary to add a piece like that into this system.
Or Jenkins
Jenkins does not rush the passer, he clogs the middle. Pouha and DeVito are more than capable of filling in. In fact, they are probably as good together as Jenkins. We need a pass rusher that can play the run, not a run stuffer who can sometimes get to the QB. I'm fully aware that Mario Williams doesnt come around often, so the FO needs to get creative.
Actually Jenkins was able to put a lot of pressure on QBs by penetrating up the middle. As good as Pouha and DeVito fill in (and at this stage play the run almost as well as Jenkins) - they are not the force that Jenkins is up the middle.
 
Actually Jenkins was able to put a lot of pressure on QBs by penetrating up the middle. As good as Pouha and DeVito fill in (and at this stage play the run almost as well as Jenkins) - they are not the force that Jenkins is up the middle.
He did collapse the pocket, but I will respectfully disagree and say that Pouha and DeVito are on that level. Rex loves the guy, and Pouha was ranked as the best run stuffer in football by Profootballfocus.com. Though they might not have the same name recognition (and maybe not quite as strong in the Pass game), they are probably as good overall.
 
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There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show.

Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!
Have you watched the Jets this season? Their pass rushers are not good at all. In fact, that's the major flaw with this team. And if Revis following Jennings for a half, then Calvin and Andre Johnson and TO and shutting them all down doesn't qualify as Revis Island, what does?
:thumbup: Glad it didn't take long for a homer to say this. Our ends are not that good against the pass. We need an Abraham back, or someone of that ilk. I saw first hand what a Mario Williams-type player can do without too much support, and it would be scary to add a piece like that into this system.
Or Jenkins
Jenkins does not rush the passer, he clogs the middle. Pouha and DeVito are more than capable of filling in. In fact, they are probably as good together as Jenkins. We need a pass rusher that can play the run, not a run stuffer who can sometimes get to the QB. I'm fully aware that Mario Williams doesnt come around often, so the FO needs to get creative.
Agreed. Most 3-4 defenses have a very good pass rusher (Ware, Wake, Hali, Harrison, Matthews, Dumervil etc) and that's something the Jets need. I think a pass rusher and an upgrade at safety are the 2 biggest needs for the Jets this off-season.
 
bushisdaman said:
Who is on the Island in week 13? Welker? Branch? Tate? Woodhead? I am guessing Welker but wouldnt rule out Branch.
Woodhead? Are u kidding me?Revis said that he would probably be on Deion Branch or Welker.
He'll probably be on Branch and do a good job on him on the outside. If he goes and covers Welker in the slot, that will be a very tough matchup for him as Welker will run him to death. Revis is awesome against big tall athletic receivers who get large amount of yards on long plays but covering a guy like Welker who's more than happy to catch a 4 yard pass and turn it into a 7 or 8 yard play and do it 5 times in a row will be a nightmare for Revis.Revis will be on Branch or you'll see him with his tongue hanging out of his mouth covering Welker.
 
There is no Revis Island. To me, its the system. The Jets have great corners in Revis AND Cromartie. They have good pass rushers, decent linebackers, and love to blitz. Sometimes this works some times it doesn't. Some times you get shut outs. But this is definitely not a one man show. Will it work against Brady? In NE is a tough place to play late in the year. I think this matchup is a toss up. But don't bench your studs!
Is Branch considered a stud now? I'm really asking. Might not be so crazy to play someone like a Hartline who's hit double digits in 8 out of 11 weeks so far over Branch. You couldn't trust Branch at all over the last 5 years....now he poses a real tough question this week. Welker sure- don't bench him, but Branch makes you stop and think a little. Very hard to picture how this game will look.
seems to me that NE is right back to NE circa 2001 with Patton and Brown, etc...they have no studs on offense other than Brady, but everyone produces because everyone is interchangeable.Surprisingly the Jets, with no front 3, have 24 sacks, 9 behind the NFL leader.anyone who has to ask has Revis been any good this year, either hasnt watched Jet games or doesnt understand if you dont see the CB he is doing his job. TO, AndreJohnson, Megatron and Jennings havent done squat vs. him. nuf said.As for matchups- I would put Revis on Branch, cromartie on one of the TE's and Kyle Wilson on welker in the slot. Before i get flamed, Wilson is a great tackler and Welker catches everything underneath and behind the line so Wilson will always be facing the play. He had trouble with his back turned with PI's and gtting burned by vet WR's early in the season.
 
Rex essentially admitted that the main reason they drafted Wilson was to help their matchup against the Pats, the clear obstacle on their path to the division and the super bowl. With that said, Wilson has been a disappointment but it's still early. He has looked good in the nickel packages, which the Jets should to use alot against the Pats. I think Rex gives Wilson a big shot in this game against Welker. I own Welker and will be starting him in my PPR league this week with no regrets. If Kyle looks bad out there, I doubt Rex would hesitate to throw Revis on him. It will probably be a situation where Revis shifts to whoever gets hot. Still think Welker is good for 6-8 catches 60-70 yards ..

 
1) The Jets pass rush has been DISMAL this year. The overload blitzes aren't working nearly as well as last year. It appears teams have learned where to throw against them. (usually slants over the middle). Most of the time that they have run Delayed ILB blitzes, they just crash right into the back of the DL. It's been a major disappointment. We need an elite 1 on 1 pass rusher in the worst way (of course, so does pretty much everyone else) Unless Rex has been sandbagging all year with his play calling (obviously not happening) the pass rush is not a strength of this team. The sack numbers have been ok, but a lot of those are red zone coverage sacks. There haven't been nearly as many great blitz calls this year.

2) Revis won't cover Welker much at all. I used to think that the Jets would be better off playing Revis on Welker and taking their chances with CB2 and safety help on Moss. But Revis is far better at playing outside receivers. His technique and skill set just works for that type of play. When a WR can go either way (like a slot receiver) it limits his effectiveness because it neutralizes his strength, leverage and balance through contact (and exposes his change change of direction skills, which is probably the weakest part of his game)

3) Kyle Wilson has been a major disappointment. He got picked on early when Revis was out and it appears to have hurt his confidence. Hell, he's even doing a lousy job returning punts (flat out fell down twice on Thursday) Based on what I've seen, I've pretty much written him off as an impact player for this year. Brady will certainly look to pick on him, as will Manning, Rivers or Roethlisberger come playoff time. I thought his early struggles were just a result of him not turning his head quickly enough, but its clearly more than that. At this point, the Jets are gonna have to rely on Drew Coleman (who is better this year than in the past) and the safeties to defend slot guys. Leonard is serviceable in that role (although he'll struggle against Welker). Eric Smith and Brodney Pool (awful FA signing) are not.

4) Whoever said that Gholston is good up front, Welcome to Earth. Any time he even gets within 15 feet of a QB is cause for celebration in Jets land. Rex is trying his best to turn the guy into a passable 3-4 DE (essentially making him a space eater and edge setter to take advantage of his strength) but its a total lost cause. The guy just can't play.

I'm feeling fairly confident going into Monday night. The Jets won week 2 despite no Revis (pulled up lame on the great Moss TD), no Holmes and no Pace. The Pats are a diferent team now (both in how well they are playing and the absence of Moss) but I still like our chances.

 
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