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Who has a better year? (1 Viewer)
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Eviloutsider
Footballguy
I like Ward to have the better year but not by much so looking at ADP I would, and will, go with Holmes.
Saint
Footballguy
I concur. Ward is #1 right now, but my bet is that by mid-season Holmes is the go-to man for Big Ben. Ward has had great years in the league, but it looks like he is losing a step whereas Holmes has speed and age on his side. I am thinking Holmes comes close to 1,100 yds and about 8 TDs whereas Ward is 900 - 1,000 with 7 TDs. I am targeting Holmes in the draft while watching owners grab Ward earlier.
az_prof
Footballguy
I don't see "Ward losing a step." Granted, Holmes is making strides, but I see Ward as the better player to have in PPR leagues as he will catch more passes, although Holmes will have a better yards per reception, and total yards will be close. Remember, young WRs often have issues with hammys and such...and a sophomore slump for WRs is common.
I Am Rick James
Footballguy
I have Holmes on my redraft and dynasty teams. That being said, people foreget that Ward was dinged up much of last year and Ben was a mess as well. Ward should rebound nicely with Holmes being a quality #2 deep option. They may both out-perform their ADP
proninja
Footballguy
When I have a choice between a guy who's done it year in and year out, and a guy who hasn't, give me the guy who's done it almost every single time.
Holmes will be lucky to put up an average Ward year this year. With the new system in place and Ben a year farther removed from getting his brain scrambled, an average Ward year should be easily attainable for Ward.
A good 2nd half of a season early in your career does not a career make, Koren.
Holmes will be lucky to put up an average Ward year this year. With the new system in place and Ben a year farther removed from getting his brain scrambled, an average Ward year should be easily attainable for Ward.
A good 2nd half of a season early in your career does not a career make, Koren.
Lambert
Footballguy
Pied Piper
Footballguy
Don't underestimate Hines Ward. He usually proves people wrong.
super sleeper
Footballguy
Posters that own Hine Ward: "Don't underestimate Ward. He's due for a bounceback and is still the #1 in Pittsburgh."
Posters that own Santonio Holmes: "Holmes was the #1 second half of last season, he's the man in Pittsburgh now."
Posters that own neither: "Steelers suck."
Posters that own Santonio Holmes: "Holmes was the #1 second half of last season, he's the man in Pittsburgh now."
Posters that own neither: "Steelers suck."
fatboyj711
Footballguy
with all things equal, i'd rather have hines.... but holmes can be had several rounds later in redraft leagues
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Holmes represents value and breakout potential. Hines is ol' reliable...
Holmes could just as easily disappoint as he could emerge this year. But at this time of the year it's all good.
Holmes could just as easily disappoint as he could emerge this year. But at this time of the year it's all good.
Tillmanisahero
Footballguy
I feel it will be a close race all year but I think Holmes ends the season with more yards but slightly fewer catches. TDs will be a toss up.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Hines was hampered by a couple of injuries last year. Don't underestimate the guy.
Jeff Haseley
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The last 8 games of 2006: Granted Ward missed two of those games
Code:
Player TARG REC RECYD YD/REC FD RECTD FANT PTHines Ward 56 33 389 11.79 22 1 47.90Santonio Holmes 53 27 501 18.56 24 2 62.10
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yinzer
Footballguy
As a Pittsburgh homer, seeing all the games and paying close attention to everything steelers, I believe Holmes has the better numbers.
I think have Holmes getting 1160 and 6 while Hines gets 900 and 9. I see Hines getting more TD's due to redzone looks, but Holme swill get his as well and I think could get 7-8. Hines likely gets more catches, but I think it's closer than most think.
Also, the new OC already said the offense will be going downfield much more often (5 times a game theyre saying), meaning Santonio should be getting 2-3 deep looks downfield a game. Plus, he's got the ability to take 5-8 yard slants to the house, see week 17 last year
Both should be good, but I think Holmes definitely represents more value and though surprising to some, I think he's the more consistent WR week in-week out
I think have Holmes getting 1160 and 6 while Hines gets 900 and 9. I see Hines getting more TD's due to redzone looks, but Holme swill get his as well and I think could get 7-8. Hines likely gets more catches, but I think it's closer than most think.
Also, the new OC already said the offense will be going downfield much more often (5 times a game theyre saying), meaning Santonio should be getting 2-3 deep looks downfield a game. Plus, he's got the ability to take 5-8 yard slants to the house, see week 17 last year
Both should be good, but I think Holmes definitely represents more value and though surprising to some, I think he's the more consistent WR week in-week out
notapplicable
Footballguy
Going with Holmes due to his ADP.
Tau837
Footballguy
24 first downs on 27 catches is impressive.
FFdork
Footballguy
Yep, this makes all the difference. Since most of my leagues are mixed in terms of FF experience level, Ward went too early for me: at the end of the WR run as someone's WR2. Although Holmes climbed way up in ADP over the last couple of weeks, he still represented much better value than Ward a round or two later.However, I did have two drafts where Holmes came off the board waaayyyy too early. There's a lot of hype for him based on the end of last year and the strong preseason.
nygiants56
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
18.56 YD/REC is darnright impressive as well. That's 3 yards more per reception than Lee Evans, 4 more than Santana Moss or Steve Smith.
I highly doubt he keeps that up, but there's no doubt that he's a legit deep threat. Perhaps one of the better in the league.
Ward = PPR, TDs, and (although it means nothing in FF), leadership and blocking
Holmes = big play, deep threat.
If your league gives extra points for long TDs, take Holmes.
Haven't we discussed this already?
Big Dumb Ape
Footballguy
So, in the best stretch of Holmes career, he managed to almost match Ward's ppg over that time, when Ward was dinged up and having one of his worst stretches. That's what those numbers tell me, anyway. Holmes could very well turn into some fantasy stud right away and kick Ward's ###. I just don't see any reason it's going to happen this year. None. Also, absolutely no way Holmes matches that ypc this year. Zero. None. Period.Jeff Haseley said:
Ward is the bargain here, even being drafted earlier.
eagles2007
Footballguy
Holmes' career? Are you kidding? He was a damn rookie.I'd rather have Ward for this year, Holmes for the long-term. But I think he's at least a year away from being a stud.
-OZ-
Footballguy
sorry, any reference to "best of his career" with a 2nd year player makes me 
Big Dumb Ape
Footballguy
