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Who has more talent? (1 Viewer)
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Cutler and I wouldn't say its even close.DIAGF Denny Green for drafting Matt over Jay.Jay would have been so sick in our offense right now
Cass Durham
Footballguy
As already stated, it is Cutler and it's not even close. As a Titans fan..........I am still pissed that we took V.Young over Jay back then, much less Leinart.
Federal
Footballguy
Depends on which Leinart we get. Is it the ultra confident guy (think MNF vs. Bears) who looked like he had been in the league for years when he stepped in his rookie year under Denny Green. Or will it be the confused hesitant guy who looked like he had never been on a football field before when he started '07 under Whisenhunt.
Under Green, I think he was told to go out there and do what you do best. Under Whiz I think he was asked to carefully manage a game and work within the game plan. If he can master what Whiz asks of him, I think his long term upside is amazing. If he doesn't commit and chooses to ride on his credentialed past, then he wont be in the league long.
Cutler is lower risk, but less upside. I think he will be good, but not great.
Under Green, I think he was told to go out there and do what you do best. Under Whiz I think he was asked to carefully manage a game and work within the game plan. If he can master what Whiz asks of him, I think his long term upside is amazing. If he doesn't commit and chooses to ride on his credentialed past, then he wont be in the league long.
Cutler is lower risk, but less upside. I think he will be good, but not great.
You have an interesting definition of "prove". LHUCKS: I voted Leinart in my own poll.LHUCKS: Case closed.It's shocking a jury of your peers is disagreeing with that rock solid case. LHUCKS is so good he doesn't need facts, statistics, or even sentences! I hope you're not a lawyer; you'd lose out big time on billable hours. When someone says they are going to take this opportunity to prove someone wrong, they usually follow it up with verbal or written communication. Like I said, pretty much a slam dunk. Keep truckin LHUCKS!
The Jacket
Footballguy
The only reason this isn't a completely moronic post is because Arizona has two dynamite WRs. Other than that, Cutler's upside is much higher than Leinart's. Mattyboy has game manager written all over him with that noodle arm and generally mediocre everything.
moleculo
Footballguy
talent - debatable. draft position differed by one pick, and who was better was very hotly contested. IIRC, Fisher wanted Cutler @ 3 but was pressured to take Young by managment - he thought that Cutler had better talent than Leinhart.opportunity - Leinart has better WR's but presently is not a starting QB. I fail to see how riding the pine is a better situation than starting.upside - upside for 2008: Cutler has top 5 upside. Leinart has "I hope Kurt gets hurt again" upside. Upside for career - probably very similar. Cutler is on a team with a 2x SB winning coach who puts his team in the playoffs on an almost yearly basis. Leinart is on a team who has won one playoff game in over 50 years...if I were to guess who would win a SB first, I'd have to think Cutler, and it's not even close.Plus, SEC >>> PAC-10. it's a fact.
massraider
Footballguy
In a year or two, there'll be a poll:
"Who was the better QB, Byron Leftwich or Matt Leinart?"
"Who was the better QB, Byron Leftwich or Matt Leinart?"
Federal
Footballguy
I don't really disagree, Leinart is more of a game manger and his upside rests on his surroundings. I'm not saying he's near Joe Montanna (noodle armed game manager), but in that mold of QB that excels at getting the most of his situation.When I think of Cutler, I think Kerry Collins
thatguy
Footballguy
Do you even watch football?
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
I don't see how having inferior footwork and arm strength makes Leinart the more talented quarterback. As far as ability goes, despite having two excellent receivers and a proven running back, Leinart has a worse QB rating, TD/INT ratio, INT %, and yards per attempt than Cutler. And Cutler has been the better runner as well. And he's done more than Leinart despite having diabetes. When Leinart's entire offense is better than their defensive counterparts, as was the case at USC, he's a very productive quarterback. When the talent is more evenly distributed, his flaws are more pronounced.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Did Cutler recently bang your girlfriend or something? Why all the hate?
Maybe if he went to ASU, WSU, or CAL you'd come to your senses.
Maybe if he went to ASU, WSU, or CAL you'd come to your senses.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Depends on what you mean by "talent": are we talking football or beer bonging and hot tubbing with teenagers?
The Jacket
Footballguy
That's pretty harsh. Cutler can make a lot more throws (not just the touch deep ball), and is much, much more mobile. And while he may not be the most cerebral QB in the league, he does appear to have a good head on his shoulders. I don't get the basis of your thought process.
joffer
Footballguy
quicker release too. one of KC's biggest downfalls has always been his wind-up
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Next HUCKS poll, coming up in about 4 minutes:
Does Jay Cutler look like Moe Howard?
[ ]YES
[ ]YES
Does Jay Cutler look like Moe Howard?
[ ]YES
[ ]YES
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Talent with the ladies - LEINART
Talent with the football - CUTLER
Not even close on either category.
Talent with the football - CUTLER
Not even close on either category.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Someone wasn't loved enough as a child.
Tubalcane
Footballguy
HahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaNuff said right there.
Federal
Footballguy
Hey Collins wasn't such a bad QB, didn't he get the Panthers to a NFC Championship game in '96. The Comparison wasn't well thought out, I just think of Cutler as a strong armed guy who has never done anything special. There is nothing about him that gets me excited. I like Cutler, just see nothing that is remarkable about him (yes he has a great arm, he has some mobility, still I am not enthused). The basis of the comparison was that I had the same unenthusiastic feelings about Kerry Collins. Good physical tools, lacks the "it" factor.Leinart on the other hand has shown me something in college (given he was surrounded by the nations top talent) and in his rookie year (Ryan Leaf didn't look so bad in the very beginning either). I'm going on gut, can't win on initial year stats, 40 times, or arm strength, just saying if I'm gonna invest, I like Leinart's potential upside vs. Cutler's. If I need a starter in 2008, I guess I'll go with Cutler. If I'm looking for a guy who I don't need to start, can POTENTIALLY take advantage of superior talent, POTENTIALLY manage a game, and POTENTIALLY put up big numbers on a consistent basis, I am gonna go with Leinart. I guess the best way to put it is, if Leinart wasn't my #1 QB, you offered me Cutler for Leinart in a Dynasty League, I would say no. Does that make any sense?joffer said:
The Jacket
Footballguy
I thought this guy might be a homer based on his response in the AZ-KC gamethread, claiming Leinart actually looked like an NFL QB.
Seriously. The ONLY reason to even consider Leinart over Cutler is the WRs, and given that Leinart's noodle arm doesn't allow him to find them down the field, that advantage is more or less worthless. Cutler will find the likes of Eddie Royal for big plays.
Seriously. The ONLY reason to even consider Leinart over Cutler is the WRs, and given that Leinart's noodle arm doesn't allow him to find them down the field, that advantage is more or less worthless. Cutler will find the likes of Eddie Royal for big plays.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I don't know how you're going to measure talent, but I'll leave that up to you. You can argue until you're blue in the face as to who has more talent but all that really matters is production.
There have been many talented players in the NFL that just didn't work out. Maybe it was because of injury, work ethic, lack of smarts........whatever the reason may be.
So, I'm not going to argue who has more talent.....because who cares, what matters is who is going to be the better and more productive NFL quarterback. That is something worth arguing.
I think that person is going to be Cutler. Jay Cutler had a solid season last year, he's shown leadership skills in the offseason by telling star wide receiver to basically get it together.
What leadership skills did our boy Leinart show? Having girls take pictures of him with their cell phones so that it can be placed on the internet?
The two guys appear to be in different places in how they can lead a team. One guy is a confident, outspoken young man while the other is reliving the glory days of USC.
Although I appreciate a difference of opinion, my money is on Cutler over Leinart.
There have been many talented players in the NFL that just didn't work out. Maybe it was because of injury, work ethic, lack of smarts........whatever the reason may be.
So, I'm not going to argue who has more talent.....because who cares, what matters is who is going to be the better and more productive NFL quarterback. That is something worth arguing.
I think that person is going to be Cutler. Jay Cutler had a solid season last year, he's shown leadership skills in the offseason by telling star wide receiver to basically get it together.
What leadership skills did our boy Leinart show? Having girls take pictures of him with their cell phones so that it can be placed on the internet?
The two guys appear to be in different places in how they can lead a team. One guy is a confident, outspoken young man while the other is reliving the glory days of USC.
Although I appreciate a difference of opinion, my money is on Cutler over Leinart.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
You can still save face by admitting now that you're the 1 vote that is undecided.
joffer
Footballguy
i would've never guessed he has 15 aliases. 10 maybe, but 15?
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
If you do 100 polls like this,
you should be able to bring up one at the end of the season,
and claim vindication.
you should be able to bring up one at the end of the season,
and claim vindication.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
What have you done to "prove" your stance? NOTHING!LHUCKS said:
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Uhhh...that's not something anyone can do right now...ace.
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Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
WAY TOO EARLY to tell. You can not judge on a QB's TRUE dynasty value based on their first two years performance. I would say this also goes for WR's. It takes a 3-4 years for them to reach their potential. This does not hold true to RB's as the studs usually breakout their 1st or 2nd year.
Would you want Aaron Brooks now? He did pretty good his 2nd year in the NFL- ranked #8, #6 his 3rd, #5 his 4th year.
Case in point, Brees ranked #48,#18 and #26 his first three years.
BTW, I voted for Leinart.
Would you want Aaron Brooks now? He did pretty good his 2nd year in the NFL- ranked #8, #6 his 3rd, #5 his 4th year.
Case in point, Brees ranked #48,#18 and #26 his first three years.
BTW, I voted for Leinart.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Right...these are educated guesses...obviously nobody is making a definitive statement.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
Well, people are stating comments like "Cutler in a LANDSLIDE" or Cutler and it's not even close.
Mr Capicollo
Footballguy
This isn't the kind of stuff we want around here. Thanks.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
Uhhh....that's not the way "I would like to take this opportunity to prove most of the Shark Pool sharks wrong" reads.
zoonation
Footballguy
This is classic LHUCKS...if Leinart actually does something this year instead of look like a good college quarterback that came out of an elite system that will neer make it in the NFL, LHUCKS will be in here thumping his chest like a silverback gorilla.
The fact is LHUCKS had one good run three years ago with his rankings/critiques only to follow up the next two years with an embarrassing display of misses that he still won't admit. It is a tragedy of sorts; the guy is a one trick pony who takes a contentious stance on a marginally debateable topic in the hope that he can bowl one more strike down the "I told you so/I'm smarter than you" lane. Worst shtick in the forums for a few years running, which in all probability isn't shtick at all.
The fact is LHUCKS had one good run three years ago with his rankings/critiques only to follow up the next two years with an embarrassing display of misses that he still won't admit. It is a tragedy of sorts; the guy is a one trick pony who takes a contentious stance on a marginally debateable topic in the hope that he can bowl one more strike down the "I told you so/I'm smarter than you" lane. Worst shtick in the forums for a few years running, which in all probability isn't shtick at all.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
84% of the shark pool believes Cutler has more talent...I don't think you're accurately portraying the situation.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Yes, but it's better than watching dumb and dumber again.
moleculo
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Actually, I would call your stance contentious, and the topic: marginally debatable.I think Leinart would agree with the majority.
massraider
Footballguy
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
On this point I agree, I wouldn't say 84 to 16 is marginal. The Shark Pool definately believes in Cutler over Leinart. What I would disagree on is the term talent. While some people may believe Cutler has more talent than Leinart, there are some people who really don't care about talent, but care about the output on the field. Although your post does use the word talent, I participated in the voting process and comments in who I think will be the better NFL quarterback, not for just this year but their careers.
Get off the "lhucks sucks / no I don't suck" shtick now. Stick to discussing the NFL Players. Not each other.
J
J
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
Why does LHUCKS continue to operate this way?
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