Last year I thought Reggie was going to blow by Marvin but that did not happen. Just wondering if others feel this could be the year to take Reggie over Marvin. I think if I had my choice I would take Reggie just because he has more upside but maybe I am crazy. Marvin seems to be Mr. consistent every year and does not seem to be slowing down much.
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Who is going to be the colts #1 Wr this year? Is it Reggie time. (1 Viewer)
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mlball77
Footballguy
There is a crowd every year that thinks Wayne will outproduce Harrison... and it just doesn't happen. It seems every year is the year, but Harrison still comes out on top. Wayne has to outproduce Harrison eventually, right? This is a tough one, but I'd take Harrison over Wayne in a redraft and be fairly happy about it... but they are both very likely to post great numbers.
gridiron-ghost
Footballguy
TheGreatest
Footballguy
Redraft - M. HarrisonDynasty - R. Wayne
Mr. Bill O'Reilly
Footballguy
Can't go wrong with either guy... but I'll say Marvelous has the better year. He's A1 until proven otherwise.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Hard to argue against Harrison. He's done it forever, and he's on Manning's right side. Then again, Harrison never looks happy. After setting records and getting a ring, maybe those two won't have the same chemistry. Harrison has always been Manning's safety blanket. With the pressure off, maybe Peyton looks for someone else more. But that's just speculation.
Pickle Rody
IBL Representative
12 Team Keeper League (protect 5 players, no more than 2 per position.) 12 Teams x 5 players = 60 unavailable for drafting.
I have Peyton Manning in my keeper league and last year I had the opportunity to trade for either Harrison or Wayne during the offseason. Both of them were going to be dropped in favor of other WR's and I could not let both get back into the pool. I went after Wayne. I got him and finally won my Super Bowl (on the third consecutive try.) I can't say I would not have won it with Harrison, though, as I have not taken the time to go back and check what differences would have resulted had I chosen to trade for him over Wayne. Harrison was dropped and then was the first pick in our draft (#61 overall). The team that drafted Harrison had just won the SB in '05, over me. This team made the play-offs but did not make it back to the SB, whereas I did, and won.
If I had to choose again this year, I would choose Wayne. Even if he does not score as much as Harrison again, I would rather have Wayne. He is younger and eventually going to be Mannings #1 choice. This year?...........I don't know. .....................Maybe. .....................Yes, this year.
I have Peyton Manning in my keeper league and last year I had the opportunity to trade for either Harrison or Wayne during the offseason. Both of them were going to be dropped in favor of other WR's and I could not let both get back into the pool. I went after Wayne. I got him and finally won my Super Bowl (on the third consecutive try.) I can't say I would not have won it with Harrison, though, as I have not taken the time to go back and check what differences would have resulted had I chosen to trade for him over Wayne. Harrison was dropped and then was the first pick in our draft (#61 overall). The team that drafted Harrison had just won the SB in '05, over me. This team made the play-offs but did not make it back to the SB, whereas I did, and won.
If I had to choose again this year, I would choose Wayne. Even if he does not score as much as Harrison again, I would rather have Wayne. He is younger and eventually going to be Mannings #1 choice. This year?...........I don't know. .....................Maybe. .....................Yes, this year.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
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And Wayne did come short of what could have easily been another 5 TD early on in the season.
And Wayne did come short of what could have easily been another 5 TD early on in the season.
SSOG
Moderator
Here's what it boils down to for me.
Scenario #1- Marvin remains option 1a
Result: both Harrison and Wayne are top-10 WRs
Scenario #2- Wayne becomes option 1a
Result: both Harrison and Wayne are top-10 WRs
Scenario #3- Wayne becomes the clear-cut #1 option
Result: Wayne is a top-10 WR, Harrison is who-knows-what.
In all three scenarios, Wayne is a top-10 WR, whereas Harrison only sees the top-10 in two of the three scenarios. While I suspect Harrison will finish the season with better numbers, Wayne's floor is so ridiculously much higher that I couldn't justify drafting Harrison first.
Scenario #1- Marvin remains option 1a
Result: both Harrison and Wayne are top-10 WRs
Scenario #2- Wayne becomes option 1a
Result: both Harrison and Wayne are top-10 WRs
Scenario #3- Wayne becomes the clear-cut #1 option
Result: Wayne is a top-10 WR, Harrison is who-knows-what.
In all three scenarios, Wayne is a top-10 WR, whereas Harrison only sees the top-10 in two of the three scenarios. While I suspect Harrison will finish the season with better numbers, Wayne's floor is so ridiculously much higher that I couldn't justify drafting Harrison first.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
They are pretty damn equal at this point.
The differences I see are...
Age and less chance of having a sudden decline = Wayne.
Many more targets in the red zone = Harrison.
The differences I see are...
Age and less chance of having a sudden decline = Wayne.
Many more targets in the red zone = Harrison.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Wayne outscored Harrison 9 times last year.Harrison outscored Wayne 5 times last year.I say its even. But people could certainly argue Wayne in this case. As they could for Harrison.
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Phlash
Footballguy
Hey, please don't shoot down my baseless statements next time
They both put up pretty good numbers next year. Both will be worthwhile pickups in the draft.BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
You mean Addai could have 93 receptions?
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Why do people think Reggie Wayne has more upside? Obviously talking about a redraft here.
Who knows? I clearly see your point.the UFFRM said:
But here's some data:
Out of the top 25 WRs in 2006, Wayne did have the most tackles inside the five yd-line:
8 total tackles on/inside the five, with 4 tackles on the one or two yard line!!
OTOH, Marvin had 6 total tackles o/i the five, with 3 tackles on the one or two yard line.
Others that stick out are:
S.Smith with 3 total tackles o/i the five, with all 3 tackles o/i the one or two yard line.
Hines Ward had 5 total tackles on/inside the five, with 4 tackles on the one or two yard line.
Andre Johnson had 6 total tackles on/inside the five, with 3 tackles on the one or two yard line (same as Marvin).
Darrell Jackson had 4 total tackles on/inside the five, with all 4 tackles on the one or two yard line.
*sorry for the hijack*
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BigRed
Footballguy
? Age. Even in a redraft this could be the year Harrison slows down, while Wayne is in his prime.Course that's been said for several yrs now -
John Mamula
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My WR rankings (PPR):
1. Reggie Wayne
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3. Marvin Harrison
1. Reggie Wayne
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3. Marvin Harrison
John Mamula
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calling it now.Zuma said:
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Reggie Wayne is Peerless Price all over again..........................
Reggie knows his bread and butter is beng the #2 WR in this offence - never facing double coverage or the other team's #1 CB - he had a chance to sign elsewhere but to his credit knows the limitations of his skills.
Wayne will never be the #1 WR in this offence.......
Reggie knows his bread and butter is beng the #2 WR in this offence - never facing double coverage or the other team's #1 CB - he had a chance to sign elsewhere but to his credit knows the limitations of his skills.
Wayne will never be the #1 WR in this offence.......
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
huh? short of injury, under what possible circumstances would Harrison become "who-knows-what"? Top 10 is the downside for both. Harrison will likely be drafted mid 2nd round, while Wayne usually goes in the 3rd. For similar production, I'd say Wayne is the better value.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Reggie Wayne against another team's #1CB for a whole season equates to 75/1000/6 If you take many other WR's in the league and slot them into the #2 WR position for the colts I think most of them would put up similiar #'s to Reggie.
A few of the top of my head
Mushin Muhammid
Joey Galloway
Kevin Curtis
Reggie Wayne's numbers can be attributed to circumstance - to me him and Houshmanzadeh are very similiar............
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
So Wayne=Peerless Price=Housh?Reggie Wayne against another team's #1CB for a whole season equates to 75/1000/6 If you take many other WR's in the league and slot them into the #2 WR position for the colts I think most of them would put up similiar #'s to Reggie.
A few of the top of my head
Mushin Muhammid
Joey Galloway
Kevin Curtis
Reggie Wayne's numbers can be attributed to circumstance - to me him and Houshmanzadeh are very similiar............
Borat
Footballguy
I agree with this guy. I always felt the same about Stokely as a #3 as well.Reggie Wayne against another team's #1CB for a whole season equates to 75/1000/6 If you take many other WR's in the league and slot them into the #2 WR position for the colts I think most of them would put up similiar #'s to Reggie.
A few of the top of my head
Mushin Muhammid
Joey Galloway
Kevin Curtis
Reggie Wayne's numbers can be attributed to circumstance - to me him and Houshmanzadeh are very similiar............
Biabreakable
Footballguy
But Wayne got a long contract that will keep him playing with Manning for a long time.
I do not see Wayne linking up with vick anytime soon. Maybe if vick can get to the pro bowl.
I do not see Wayne linking up with vick anytime soon. Maybe if vick can get to the pro bowl.
kensat30
Footballguy
2001 0 86 278
2002 0 50 120
2003 21 20 47
2004 65 8 21
2005 19 21 51
2006 69 3 12
vs.
1999 119 1 7
2000 115 2 7
2001 114 1 5
2002 119 1 6
2003 83 5 15
2004 74 5 17
2005 70 9 18
2006 92 1 8
In 2004 and 2006, up years for Manning, Harrison outperformed Wayne. In 2005, a down year for Manning, Harrison outperformed Wayne. For whatever reason, Harrison has been the better fantasy WR than Wayne year in and year out no matter what the circumstances over the course of Wayne's entire career. Wayne has now been in the league for 6 years! He's not an up and coming young player anymore, this guy has to be considered a vet. And Wayne only has a two year track record being a #1 WR, whereas Harrison has an 8 year running streak of being not only a #1 WR, but a borderline #1 overall WR in the vast majority of those seasons as well. Harrison has scored 10+ TDs for 8 consecutive seasons, and Wayne has scored 10+ TDs once in his entire career (The year that Manning broke the TD record).
To me, it is foolish to bypass Harrison to draft Wayne. Wayne, despite what he did last year, is nowhere as near a sure bet as is Harrison.
2002 0 50 120
2003 21 20 47
2004 65 8 21
2005 19 21 51
2006 69 3 12
vs.
1999 119 1 7
2000 115 2 7
2001 114 1 5
2002 119 1 6
2003 83 5 15
2004 74 5 17
2005 70 9 18
2006 92 1 8
In 2004 and 2006, up years for Manning, Harrison outperformed Wayne. In 2005, a down year for Manning, Harrison outperformed Wayne. For whatever reason, Harrison has been the better fantasy WR than Wayne year in and year out no matter what the circumstances over the course of Wayne's entire career. Wayne has now been in the league for 6 years! He's not an up and coming young player anymore, this guy has to be considered a vet. And Wayne only has a two year track record being a #1 WR, whereas Harrison has an 8 year running streak of being not only a #1 WR, but a borderline #1 overall WR in the vast majority of those seasons as well. Harrison has scored 10+ TDs for 8 consecutive seasons, and Wayne has scored 10+ TDs once in his entire career (The year that Manning broke the TD record).
To me, it is foolish to bypass Harrison to draft Wayne. Wayne, despite what he did last year, is nowhere as near a sure bet as is Harrison.
SSOG
Moderator
Ummm... see post #10 in this thread. Thanks.
Because Harrison is old enough that it's possible he "hits the wall", leaving Wayne as the only WR worth a damn in Indy. That means Wayne has an upside similar to the numbers that Harrison was putting up back when he was the only show in town. That's not an argument that I'm really into, though- personally, I like Wayne more than Harrison because he has a higher downside, not because he has a higher upside.
Age. Harrison will be 35. Eventually, it catches up to everyone, even the greats, and they fall off the face of the planet.It happened to Tim Brown- he fell from 9th to 39th. It happened to Rod Smith, who fell from 16th to 61st. It happened to Jerry Rice, who fell from 11th to 37th. It happened to Cris Carter, who fell from 10th to 37th. It happened to Steve Largent, who fell from 6th to 45th. Eventually, every WR- even ageless wonders like Harrison- hit a wall and fall off the face of the fantasy map, going from a very strong start to a backup-at-best with little warning. Do I think that's going to happen to Marvin Harrison this year? I wouldn't bet on it, but that's a risk that Reggie Wayne simply does not share.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
#1, #2. I don't think it really matters.
yes, Wayne's rec and yds have increased every year, but the TDs don't follow.
Marvin. you know what you're getting. solid, consistent, performance accross the board.
with either guy you're going to get close to 80 rec and 1100 yds. The difference is you will get double-digit TDs out of Harrison, you can't say that about Wayne.
Edit: yds is wrong.
yes, Wayne's rec and yds have increased every year, but the TDs don't follow.
Marvin. you know what you're getting. solid, consistent, performance accross the board.
with either guy you're going to get close to 80 rec and 1100 yds. The difference is you will get double-digit TDs out of Harrison, you can't say that about Wayne.
Edit: yds is wrong.
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remote controller
Footballguy
Manning will continue to feed Harrison. You are crazy if don't think that mark in the record book for top Qb/Wr td hookups doesn't mean anything to Manning. It is nice that Wayne can take the pressure off of his side of the Def, but Marvin is still clearly the "Man".
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
To a certain extent yes - if Housh decided to let his ego get the better of him and signed in another city with a less prolific qb and be the team's #1 option in the passing game he would absolutely be destroyed.Same thing here for Wayne - However you cannot say this about Marivin - if Marvin signed on in another city I would still expect top 10 numbers from him. I would not say the same for ReggieTheLastDispatch said:So Wayne=Peerless Price=Housh?Macdaddy_2004 said:Reggie Wayne against another team's #1CB for a whole season equates to 75/1000/6 If you take many other WR's in the league and slot them into the #2 WR position for the colts I think most of them would put up similiar #'s to Reggie.TheLastDispatch said:Macdaddy_2004 said:
A few of the top of my head
Mushin Muhammid
Joey Galloway
Kevin Curtis
Reggie Wayne's numbers can be attributed to circumstance - to me him and Houshmanzadeh are very similiar............
NorrisB
Footballguy
Assistent coach forum please
jurb26
Footballguy
What makes you say this?
Drum roll please. Finally the right answer.
SSOG
Moderator
If anything, I would have said the opposite. Harrison is clearly Manning's favorite target. If he's starting to get uncomfortable and looking to dump the ball off A.S.A.P., you know he's going to be looking Marvin's way first.
jurb26
Footballguy
Well, from what I've seen Manning simply dumps or hot reads to the guy he feels has the better match-up that day.
I can remember a game last year (not sure vs who) where Manning just kept checking down to the quick slant to Wayne. It was like clockwork, stealing candy from a baby. Must have done it 3 times in 1 drive alone! I know I've seen the same thing occur with Harrison.
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gump
Footballguy
That game was against Denver, and that is probably why I have that opinion. It just seems as though Wayne gets more check downs and Marvin gets more dowfield patterns. Looking at YPC and # of receptions doesn't agree with that though.I have Wayne as my #2 WR this year. Probably subconciously reaching...Well, from what I've seen Manning simply dumps or hot reads to the guy he feels has the better match-up that day.I can remember a game last year (not sure vs who) where Manning just kept checking down to the quick slant to Wayne. It was like clockwork, stealing candy from a baby. Must have done it 3 times in 1 drive alone! I know I've seen the same thing occur with Harrison.
John Black
Footballguy
When Harrison retires Reggie boy will experience double-coverage and you will see his numbers decline big-time.
Wait and see
Wait and see
acme
Footballguy
don't know your scoring system but in ours Harrison OWNED the playoffs and was a major contributor to my winning BINGO Bowl X (it didn't hurt that i had manning too... my "franchise" player for life-- or at least until he retires)
