Him being traded had much more to do with being the previous regime's guy and not fitting Houston's new running scheme. Dayne hadn't even been on the Houston roster for 2 weeks at the time of the trade.All that being said, Morency never really showed a lot in Houston and was only a 3rd round pick. Never got the love for him on this board, people were always posting that Dom Davis would lose his job first to Hollings and then to Morency. Instead, neither player did anything and then Dom blew out his knee.
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Who is Green Bay's Opening day RB? (2 Viewers)
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DropKick
Footballguy
OK, I'll challenge everything. First, the word is "stutter". Second, the preseason hasn't taken place... let's call that "August". And last, we don't know "for sure" what the depth chart looks like but we might come August. Is this hard to understand?I'll take my guess though... Morency opens the season as starter. Jackson has glimpses but questions surface about blocking skills. We finish the season in RBBC. Just my two cents.
football fan
Footballguy
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...058/PKRFeatures
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6752446
GREEN BAY PACKERS
Czar's breakdown: A lot of teams questioned the selection of Tennessee DT Justin Harrell with the 16th overall pick because he's entering the NFL off of surgery for a torn bicep, never a good injury for a linemen who has to use his arms so much to be successful. Because the Packers missed out on Marshawn Lynch, they selected Nebraska RB Brandon Jackson in the second round. Jackson rushed for 835 yards in his final nine games for the Cornhuskers, but a lot of scouts thought he should have stayed in school for his senior season. Instead of trading for Randy Moss, the Packers took San Jose State receiver James Jones in the third round and he has 4.6 speed. The 78th pick might have been a tad high for him. Virginia Tech safety Aaron Rouse is an intriguing defensive player because he could be used at outside linebacker. Colorado PK Mason Crosby had the strongest leg among draft-eligible kickers, but he performed pathetically at the combine. RB DeShawn Wynn has had weight problems at Florida, but he does have upside. Wynn never materialized into the running back that the college coaches expected, but maybe it will be different in the big leagues.
Grade: C
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6752446
GREEN BAY PACKERS
Czar's breakdown: A lot of teams questioned the selection of Tennessee DT Justin Harrell with the 16th overall pick because he's entering the NFL off of surgery for a torn bicep, never a good injury for a linemen who has to use his arms so much to be successful. Because the Packers missed out on Marshawn Lynch, they selected Nebraska RB Brandon Jackson in the second round. Jackson rushed for 835 yards in his final nine games for the Cornhuskers, but a lot of scouts thought he should have stayed in school for his senior season. Instead of trading for Randy Moss, the Packers took San Jose State receiver James Jones in the third round and he has 4.6 speed. The 78th pick might have been a tad high for him. Virginia Tech safety Aaron Rouse is an intriguing defensive player because he could be used at outside linebacker. Colorado PK Mason Crosby had the strongest leg among draft-eligible kickers, but he performed pathetically at the combine. RB DeShawn Wynn has had weight problems at Florida, but he does have upside. Wynn never materialized into the running back that the college coaches expected, but maybe it will be different in the big leagues.
Grade: C
football fan
Footballguy
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10157575
Green Bay Packers
Best pick: Justin Harrell. Yes, their first pick. He will be a force in the middle of their line.
Questionable move: Nebraska running back Brandon Jackson is a need pick, but he runs a little upright.
Second-day gem: Fifth-round pick David Clowney has blazing speed. If he can improve his route running, he could be a nice addition.
Overall grade: B
http://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/1428407/detail.html
They didn't get Randy Moss, and then didn't get the running back they wanted in the first round. Brandon Jackson could be a fantasy sleeper, but it's asking a lot for him to start. Their wideout picks remind us of Greg Jennings last year, which worked well.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...ort.card/3.html
PACKERS -- C+
Honest, I heard this byplay on the NFL Network (I was at the draft, but I had a head set), when the Pack took a DT, Justin Harrell, in the first round. "How is this gonna help Brett Favre?" "Well, if it helps the defense, it'll carry over to the offense." Maybe that wasn't the exact wording, but it was very close. So does the shadow of No. 4 hang over the entire operation? Well, the second and third picks should make the TV guys happy because they went directly into the Favre pipeline, RB Brandon Jackson and WR James Jones. The guy who intrigues me, though is David Clowney, a fifth-round flier, and one thing Brett still can do is gun it deep.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/...er%3Fid%3D10847
Overall: Jones was redshirted in 2002 before playing in nine games (zero starts) in 2003 as a backup receiver and long-snapper catching one pass for eight yards. In 2004, he saw action in all 11 games (six starts) and caught 25 passes for 317 yards (12.7 average) and one touchdown. Jones started three of 11 contests in 2005, making 30 receptions for 278 yards (9.3 average) and scoring one touchdown. In 2006, he started 12 of 13 games hauling in 70 passes for 893 yards (12.8) and 10 touchdowns, earning a second team All-WAC selection. For his career he has carried 24 times for 126 yards and one touchdown. Additionally, Jones has returned 42 punts for 307 yards (7.3 average).
Jones' potential is limited by his lack of top-end speed, but he has the skills to develop into a productive sub-package receiver who also contributes on special teams. His mental ... For complete overview, strengths and weaknesses, login above or become an Insider.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=202062
DT Justin Harrell was a bit of a reach, but the Packers hit big with RB Brandon Jackson, who should become Ahman Green's long-term replacement. They also grabbed some athletic, competitive players who could start eventually.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/dr...am-grades_N.htm
Green Bay **
DT Justin Harrell didn't fill a need with the Packers' first-round pick, and at No. 16 was taken ahead of projections. RB Brandon Jackson (second round) will be hard-pressed to replace the departed Ahman Green. DB Aaron Rouse (third round) fills a need in the secondary.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AtY_...o&type=lgns
Green Bay Packers: They spent their first-round pick on Justin Harrell, a defensive tackle with an ample injury history and only three games of senior film. That's a tremendous risk for the 16th overall pick. At the very least, the Packers could have moved back to Denver's slot at 21 and picked up the extra third- and sixth-round picks that went to Jacksonville (the Broncos traded up to the Jaguars' spot at 17). Wideout James Jones sounds like another possession guy. Running back Brandon Jackson is a scary pick, too, considering his two surgically repaired shoulders. Strong safety Aaron Rouse was a good value pick in the third, and offensive tackle Allen Barbre could move to guard and end up a steal in the fourth. They cast a nice, wide net with 11 picks, but there were too many risks and question marks on the first day.
Grade: C-
Green Bay Packers
Best pick: Justin Harrell. Yes, their first pick. He will be a force in the middle of their line.
Questionable move: Nebraska running back Brandon Jackson is a need pick, but he runs a little upright.
Second-day gem: Fifth-round pick David Clowney has blazing speed. If he can improve his route running, he could be a nice addition.
Overall grade: B
http://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/1428407/detail.html
They didn't get Randy Moss, and then didn't get the running back they wanted in the first round. Brandon Jackson could be a fantasy sleeper, but it's asking a lot for him to start. Their wideout picks remind us of Greg Jennings last year, which worked well.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...ort.card/3.html
PACKERS -- C+
Honest, I heard this byplay on the NFL Network (I was at the draft, but I had a head set), when the Pack took a DT, Justin Harrell, in the first round. "How is this gonna help Brett Favre?" "Well, if it helps the defense, it'll carry over to the offense." Maybe that wasn't the exact wording, but it was very close. So does the shadow of No. 4 hang over the entire operation? Well, the second and third picks should make the TV guys happy because they went directly into the Favre pipeline, RB Brandon Jackson and WR James Jones. The guy who intrigues me, though is David Clowney, a fifth-round flier, and one thing Brett still can do is gun it deep.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/...er%3Fid%3D10847
Overall: Jones was redshirted in 2002 before playing in nine games (zero starts) in 2003 as a backup receiver and long-snapper catching one pass for eight yards. In 2004, he saw action in all 11 games (six starts) and caught 25 passes for 317 yards (12.7 average) and one touchdown. Jones started three of 11 contests in 2005, making 30 receptions for 278 yards (9.3 average) and scoring one touchdown. In 2006, he started 12 of 13 games hauling in 70 passes for 893 yards (12.8) and 10 touchdowns, earning a second team All-WAC selection. For his career he has carried 24 times for 126 yards and one touchdown. Additionally, Jones has returned 42 punts for 307 yards (7.3 average).
Jones' potential is limited by his lack of top-end speed, but he has the skills to develop into a productive sub-package receiver who also contributes on special teams. His mental ... For complete overview, strengths and weaknesses, login above or become an Insider.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=202062
DT Justin Harrell was a bit of a reach, but the Packers hit big with RB Brandon Jackson, who should become Ahman Green's long-term replacement. They also grabbed some athletic, competitive players who could start eventually.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/dr...am-grades_N.htm
Green Bay **
DT Justin Harrell didn't fill a need with the Packers' first-round pick, and at No. 16 was taken ahead of projections. RB Brandon Jackson (second round) will be hard-pressed to replace the departed Ahman Green. DB Aaron Rouse (third round) fills a need in the secondary.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AtY_...o&type=lgns
Green Bay Packers: They spent their first-round pick on Justin Harrell, a defensive tackle with an ample injury history and only three games of senior film. That's a tremendous risk for the 16th overall pick. At the very least, the Packers could have moved back to Denver's slot at 21 and picked up the extra third- and sixth-round picks that went to Jacksonville (the Broncos traded up to the Jaguars' spot at 17). Wideout James Jones sounds like another possession guy. Running back Brandon Jackson is a scary pick, too, considering his two surgically repaired shoulders. Strong safety Aaron Rouse was a good value pick in the third, and offensive tackle Allen Barbre could move to guard and end up a steal in the fourth. They cast a nice, wide net with 11 picks, but there were too many risks and question marks on the first day.
Grade: C-
Dave Stauff
Footballguy
PFW's pre-draft grades:
2005 - Morency - 5.60
2007 - Jackson - 5.45
2005 - Morency - 5.60
2007 - Jackson - 5.45
Gandalf
Footballguy
I was just thinking logically about this. Why in the world would Green Bay draft two RBs--one in the second round--if it thought Morency would be the starter in 2007? There might be a reason for this, but it seems like madness to spend a second rounder on a guy you think will be a good backup to your starter. Green Bay must believe that Brandon Jackson can and will be their featured back.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Because outside of Morency they don't have much there.New Orleans drafted Pittman...even with the #1 overall pick from last year there and Deuce. Deuce is getting older, after Bush there is no depth.They spent a late 2nd rounder (they traded down) to get a guy who has run in a similar blocking scheme. I think they believe he can contribute and maybe take over. Never bad to have 2 good young RBs.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
Aaronstory
Footballguy
Just stop right now...
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
So we should pencil in Chris Henry and Kenny Irons in as the starters in Tennessee and Cincy, respectively? They both went 2nd round...
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Was Morency brought in with the new coaches in GB or was he there before the new coaches came in?
Aaronstory
Footballguy
He was traded for last pre-season by Thompson.
switz
Footballguy
If this is the same insider information that has you believing minicamps and preseason are already over with, then I'll pass.Face it, the only insider info you have is ifrom the voices inside your head. Herron is 80% likely a cut.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
The guy's been fishing the whole time.
switz
Footballguy
Agreed... hopefully the mods take notice.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
So he was brought in by the current head coach and his staff?
switz
Footballguy
Yes.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
What does that mean? The day after the draft you and others are claiming Jackson is #2 yet he has not played a down... something you et al. are not taking notice of. Get a clue first of all and at this thread in general since IT IS APRIL/MAY!!
switz
Footballguy
You are the one that needs to get a clue. Your schtick is wearing thin.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Okay I probably should have clarified a bit. I think you need to consider the quality of the starter in front of the player drafted in the second round. Kenny Irons is replacing Chris Perry and is probably the running back of the future for Cincy, thus justifying picking him in the second round. Regarding Chris Henry, I think it is safe to assume that the management is not sold on LenDale White. That doesn't mean that Henry is the opening day starter, but he likely will be given every chance to compete.I think the Henry situation is a decent analogy to Jackson, although I think Jackson is a better back than Henry.My point is that teams don't typically waste second round picks on backups. They expect those picks to come in and contribute in a meaningful way to the football team. There seems to be a lot of Morency owners on this forum and that's great, but I think they should be realistic and not going into the season with blinders on. Morency might keep his job, but there is legitimate reason to be concerned.And yes, I did just draft Jackson yesterday in our rookie draft, so I'm biased, but I think what I'm saying makes sense, right?gman8343 said:
Gandalf
Footballguy
New Orleans drafted Pittman in round 4, which obviously has less value associated with it than round 2. I agree that it's a good idea to have 2 young RBs, but you don't spend such a high pick on a player that you expect to be more of a role player or backup.It reminds me of when Jacksonville drafted Maurice Jones-Drew in round 2 last year. People initially thought he was going to have a limited role, but he was an integral part of the offense and that was probably the plan all along. Of course, the player drafted has to rise up to the challenge, which MJD definitely did.We'll see what happens, but if I were a Morency owner I don't see how this development is a positive. It's neutral to negative at best. I'm just saying....sho nuff said:
doowain
Footballguy
VERY
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
If Dallas traded Julius for Green Bay 2nd, they probably would have then traded their 3rd and next years 1st to San Diego for Turner. S.D. G.M. A.J. Smith reportedly said he would do that, before the draft.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Actually, they do it all the time. They just never intend to.
I bet lol
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
I hear you. And Jackson may win the job. Or not. I don't think GB knows who their starting RB is. I do think they'll give Morency a shot. I like Morency's talent, he's a shifty runner. I do not know whether he can handle the pounding of being an every down back. I think Jackson has talent but is pretty raw and is going to need some time. RB was an obvious need for them because they have no experienced starters. They were going to draft a 1st day RB no matter what. I don't think they're going to hand the reins over to Jackson, though, not by a long shot. He's going to have to beat out Morency. He may do that, but I wouldn't bet on it to start the season.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Then you're not very observant.
Billy1x
Footballguy
Gil Brandt (former GM of Dallas Cowboys) of Sirius to McCarthy he should be put in jail for getting Jones so late in the draft. Gil took picked Jones for his fantasy teams and expects big things. Bennett says he ready to play and he won't have to learn much at all. There was a YouTube containing highlights of his running. He didn't dance at all and must have a Pentium Dual Core Processor for determining where to cut.The Packers don't need a Vet. How they split the carries has yet to be determined but if Vernand does any dancing behind the line he's going to lose his starting job very quickly.Goal line carries are another story. Not sure how either of them is capable of getting TDs. We'll all have to pay close attention to see who carries in short yardage situations in the pre-season.Collage and Spitz off season will be key. They both needed to build upper body strength. Also, who will be the starting fullback and how well he does his job.Lots of questions.
trader jake
Footballguy
I like how he keeps his feet moving when a defender tries to wrap him up...he's a fighter.
duaneok66
Footballguy
even the pro-Morency camp has to admit that when you spend a 2nd round pick at a position; at worst the position is not rock solid especially when the incumbent is not a proven feature back . . . for this reason the Bengals pick of Irons (Rudi is a solid RB , at worst) is a bad analogy . . .
maybe GB will go for Ricky Williams...
ExtraPoint
Footballguy
Ricky, Dillon if he doesnt retire, Chris Brown, Barlow, and plenty of other possible FAs could still enter the mix. Ron Dayne wasnt Houston's starting tailback at this time last year, he was Denver's. Jackson didnt accomplish enough in college for me to pencil him in as the starter even over Morency. There's going to be a competition unless they get someone like Ricky or Corey. It could still even be someone like Chester Taylor. Dont hold your breath, its still a long ways until the season starts.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
from Rotoworld:
This mini-camp is for rookies and FA only. So, Morency won't be in camp with Jackson until the next one in a couple of weeks. Just a heads up to not read too much into this just yet.
football fan
Footballguy
BLOX is absolutely correct, no link because on the Friday night news the local Green Bay TV news stations reported this mini-camp is for only for rookies and nonrostered players only.
