Who is the #11 best basketball player of all-time? (1 Viewer)

[Frostillicus]

1. Michael Jordan (71%)
2. Lebron james (85%).
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (34%).
4. Wilt Chamberlain (31%).
5. Magic Johnson (33%).
6. Larry Bird (44%).
7. Bill Russell (67%).
8. Shaquille O'Neal (31%)
9. Tim Duncan (53%).
10. Hakeem Olajuwon (36%).
11. ???????????? (first to 25 votes wins)

 

[Frostillicus]

Our first Durant vote!

 

[Manster]

Love that Duncan made top 10. It's a travesty that Kobe didn't make the top 10

 

[Jayrod]

Good grief, here I go again arguing for one of my least favorite players ever.

Kobe is already a slot too low.

Curry is still a couple years of high level basketball away, also because he isnt a 2-way player. Oscar was great, but just a notch away without multiple MVPs or multiple rings (or at least a ring as the #1).

Kobe was simply better for longer than either of those guys.

 

[Mister CIA]

I've been sincere since round 4.

 

[TripItUp]

Everybody except the FFA has Kobe on their Mount Rushmore...and now he's not even in the top 10. It's an indictment of the list IMHO.

Shame on the FFA

 

[Capella]

Everybody except the FFA has Kobe on their Mount Rushmore...and now he's not even in the top 10. It's an indictment of the list IMHO.

Shame on the FFA

I just pulled up 2 lists where Kobe was 11. One had him at 5. I think you could say starting at 7, Kobe was better than every guy on this list, and also every player selected was better than him. It’s close. I have him over Bird and Russell but not the others selected and not Curry.

 

[dickey moe]

Both Kobe and Curry should be in the Top 10.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Everybody except the FFA has Kobe on their Mount Rushmore...and now he's not even in the top 10. It's an indictment of the list IMHO.

Shame on the FFA

No

 

[Zegras11]

No way is curry better than Kobe.

 

[FatMax]

Everybody except the FFA has Kobe on their Mount Rushmore

No, they don't.

Here John Hollinger's list.

NBA 75: Introducing John Hollinger’s GOAT Points, a new way to historically compare players

How does George Mikan stack up against Wilt, Kareem and Shaq? Or Jordan vs. LeBron? John Hollinger has a statistical formula for that.

theathletic.com

I don't always agree with him, but nobody can deny that he's got an encyclopedic knowledge of basketball, both current and historical. So if Kobe needs to be on Mt. Rushmore, in my best Chief Brody voice, "We're going to need a bigger mountain".

 

[Jayrod]

Everybody except the FFA has Kobe on their Mount Rushmore

No, they don't.

Here John Hollinger's list.

NBA 75: Introducing John Hollinger’s GOAT Points, a new way to historically compare players

How does George Mikan stack up against Wilt, Kareem and Shaq? Or Jordan vs. LeBron? John Hollinger has a statistical formula for that.

theathletic.com

I don't always agree with him, but nobody can deny that he's got an encyclopedic knowledge of basketball, both current and historical. So if Kobe needs to be on Mt. Rushmore, in my best Chief Brody voice, "We're going to need a bigger mountain".

Can't access without subscription. Just curious where Kobe, Curry and Oscar sit on that list.

 

[Don Quixote]

Everybody except the FFA has Kobe on their Mount Rushmore

No, they don't.

Here John Hollinger's list.

NBA 75: Introducing John Hollinger’s GOAT Points, a new way to historically compare players

How does George Mikan stack up against Wilt, Kareem and Shaq? Or Jordan vs. LeBron? John Hollinger has a statistical formula for that.

theathletic.com

I don't always agree with him, but nobody can deny that he's got an encyclopedic knowledge of basketball, both current and historical. So if Kobe needs to be on Mt. Rushmore, in my best Chief Brody voice, "We're going to need a bigger mountain".

Can't access without subscription. Just curious where Kobe, Curry and Oscar sit on that list.

Kobe - 10
Oscar - 12
Curry - 26

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Curry would probably be like 5-7 spots higher if you included the 21/22 and 22/23 seasons.

 

[fruity pebbles]

List is perfect imo if Kobe beat Hakeem for #10

 

[TripItUp]

No way is curry better than Kobe.

FFA is not a strong basketball forum...this much is obvious

 

[AAABatteries]

I understand projecting current players but there’s too many examples of guys totally falling off or getting injured and their career being essentially over. Curry’s 35 so I’m fine with ranking him off what’s he’s done but I can’t get behind projecting what he may do.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Everybody except the FFA has Kobe on their Mount Rushmore...and now he's not even in the top 10. It's an indictment of the list IMHO.

Shame on the FFA

Literally nobody has Kobe as a top 4 all time player.

 

[Jayrod]

Kobe is not top 4...but he isn't #12 either.

 

[pollardsvision]

Kobe was amazing. But he wasn't better than Duncan, Shaq, or Hakeem. Maybe Hakeem but we're splitting hairs.

He'll probably win this round but if he loses to Big O or Curry, it's not some big travesty.

 

[Frostillicus]

#13 should end up a landslide. #14 is when things will get really interesting.

 

[Jayrod]

#13 should end up a landslide. #14 is when things will get really interesting.

I think Moses has a strong argument over Oscar.

 

[The General]

Steph is probably the most influential player on the game since Jordan but he’s not better than Kobe.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Steph is probably the most influential player on the game since Jordan but he’s not better than Kobe.

Disagree. This is THE best shooter the game has seen and likely ever will see. I voted for Steph last round. Dude single handedly changed all of basketball at all levels. Kobe was great, but he didn't do that.

 

[dino259]

Steph is probably the most influential player on the game since Jordan but he’s not better than Kobe.

Disagree. This is THE best shooter the game has seen and likely ever will see. I voted for Steph last round. Dude single handedly changed all of basketball at all levels. Kobe was great, but he didn't do that.

What do you say when you throw a crumpled napkin or paper in the trash can?

 

[thecatch]

Everybody except the FFA has Kobe on their Mount Rushmore

No, they don't.

Here John Hollinger's list.

NBA 75: Introducing John Hollinger’s GOAT Points, a new way to historically compare players

How does George Mikan stack up against Wilt, Kareem and Shaq? Or Jordan vs. LeBron? John Hollinger has a statistical formula for that.

theathletic.com

I don't always agree with him, but nobody can deny that he's got an encyclopedic knowledge of basketball, both current and historical. So if Kobe needs to be on Mt. Rushmore, in my best Chief Brody voice, "We're going to need a bigger mountain".

Can't access without subscription. Just curious where Kobe, Curry and Oscar sit on that list.

Kobe - 10
Oscar - 12
Curry - 26

I think that list predated Curry’s last title.

 

[Manster]

No way is curry better than Kobe.

Kobe gets dinged because he was unlikable, unless you're a Lakers fan

 

[Frostillicus]

No way is curry better than Kobe

Kobe has more titles, more all-star games, more all-nba, more all-defense, more finals MVPs, more oscars, more points (and ppg), more rebounds (and rpg), more assists, more steals, and more blocks (and bpg).

Steph has more apg, spg, and all the shooting stuff. Plus 1 more MVP.

Clearly a case of either projected the rest of his career out, or just Kobe dislike.

 

[Jayrod]

Curry offense > Kobe offense
Kobe defense >>>> Curry defense

Kobe could win you a game on either end of the floor and did. Curry has to have help defensively to make his offense a net positive. If Kerr let him just guard his man one on one every night, he'd be heavily exploited on a regular basis. There is a substantial gap in their defensive effectiveness.

 

[Jayrod]

Wow, it's over.

Recency bias and Kobe hate wins out.

 

[Deamon]

Everybody except the FFA has Kobe on their Mount Rushmore

Literally no one does. Why do you always say such weird stuff.

 

[AAABatteries]

Wow, it's over.

Recency bias and Kobe hate wins out.

I blame Trip.

 

[Ghost Rider]

No way is curry better than Kobe.

Kobe gets dinged because he was unlikable, unless you're a Lakers fan

I suspect intangibles played a factor as well, as Steph runs laps around Bryant when it comes to those.

 

[AAABatteries]

List is perfect imo if Kobe beat Hakeem for #10

Kobe is not top 4...but he isn't #12 either.

1. Michael Jordan (71%)
2. Lebron james (85%).
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (34%).
4. Wilt Chamberlain (31%).
5. Magic Johnson (33%).
6. Larry Bird (44%).
7. Bill Russell (67%).
8. Shaquille O'Neal (31%)
9. Tim Duncan (53%).
10. Hakeem Olajuwon (36%).

Hakeem I can see and wouldn't argue. But I can't see moving him above anyone else - I never once thought Kobe was better than any of those guys. 10 vs. 12 isn't that far off. And people liked Hakeem. "Top 10" sounds great but if you are 11 or 12 vs. 10 it's not huge disrespect, IMO.

 

[Capella]

No way is curry better than Kobe.

FFA is not a strong basketball forum...this much is obvious

you say this like it’s a bad thing

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Voted Steph Curry even though I think he's top ten.

 

[TripItUp]

Kobe is so much better than Bird and Magic as a complete player, that's where this list starts to jump the shark.

 

[TripItUp]

Only four reasons people disrespect Kobe

1) efficiency metric truthers - people who overvalue efficiency metrics and/or don't understand what they are and what goes into them

2) Defense doesn't matter homies - people that look at individual offensive stats primarily and don't understand the impact that players like MJ, Kobe and Hakeem had with their defense.

3) Rings don't matter jokesters - self explanatory

4) Shaq earned those rings - Pippen, Wade, Kyrie, kareem....etc. etc. etc.


None of these dings hold water.

Sad times in the FFA.

 

[ghostguy123]

Steph
Kobe
Durant
Karl Malone
Garnett

That's a heck of a lineup remaining here

 

[Frostillicus]

Now when I look at it, Kobe has 30 and Steph 27, so Kobe wins since I wasn't here to see who got to 25 votes first.

 

[FatMax]

Only four reasons people disrespect Kobe

1) efficiency metric truthers - people who overvalue efficiency metrics and/or don't understand what they are and what goes into them

2) Defense doesn't matter homies - people that look at individual offensive stats primarily and don't understand the impact that players like MJ, Kobe and Hakeem had.

3) Rings don't matter jokesters - self explanatory

4) Shaq earned those rings - Pippen, Wade, Kyrie, kareem....etc. etc. etc.


None of these dings hold water.

Sad times in the FFA.

Forgot one ...

5) Folks that don't like babies that quit on their own team in the playoffs to prove a point.

 

[Schmeabs]

Now when I look at it, Kobe has 30 and Steph 27, so Kobe wins since I wasn't here to see who got to 25 votes first.

Curry has the check mark next to his name

 

[AAABatteries]

Now when I look at it, Kobe has 30 and Steph 27, so Kobe wins since I wasn't here to see who got to 25 votes first.

Curry has the check mark next to his name

That just means you voted for him.

 

[SWC]

No way is curry better than Kobe

Kobe has more titles, more all-star games, more all-nba, more all-defense, more finals MVPs, more oscars, more points (and ppg), more rebounds (and rpg), more assists, more steals, and more blocks (and bpg).

Steph has more apg, spg, and all the shooting stuff. Plus 1 more MVP.

Clearly a case of either projected the rest of his career out, or just Kobe dislike.

kobme also has more sexual assault court cases that he bought his way out of lets not forget that take that to the bank brohans

 

[Jayrod]

Now when I look at it, Kobe has 30 and Steph 27, so Kobe wins since I wasn't here to see who got to 25 votes first.

We did it!!

 

[thecatch]

I’m sort of glad Kobe won and we can move on because the “Kobe was a dominant defensive player” discourse was about to cause my eyes to roll out of my head.

 

[SWC]

is this now a list of greatest players who should have been in jail thats cool if that is what it is take that to the bank brohans

 

[msudaisy26]

is this now a list of greatest players who should have been in jail thats cool if that is what it is take that to the bank brohans

So the mailman should be next.