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Yes, that's what prompted the question. I thought Simms was going to give his answer, but he didn't.Chase - Did you hear Phil Simms on with Francesca about an hour ago talking about QBs? He was asked to give pros and cons on Eli and had a little trouble with the pros. He was more favorable on Chad, though I don't know that he put him in the top 10. Mike tried to get him to give a top ten but then keot jumping around asking other questions.
Manning's less than 400 career pass attempts behind Pennington. Either way, I think you can still compare them. You could say that Thomas Jones is better than Chris Henry, even though Chris Henry hasn't played a down yet. Think of it as which QB would you rather have on your team for this season?
i think he feels awkward about panning a giants qb.i doubt he was putting either in the top ten, but he seemed much more positive on pennington. iirc in the top ten (wasn't asked about peyton), he mentioned palmer, brees, bulger, mcnabb, hasselback; for others who didn't hear, he made it clear he had not prepared to answer the question. i see the interview is posted if anyone wants to listen; link is about halfway down the page under "Mike and the Mad Dog". http://www.wfan.com/Yes, that's what prompted the question. I thought Simms was going to give his answer, but he didn't.Chase - Did you hear Phil Simms on with Francesca about an hour ago talking about QBs? He was asked to give pros and cons on Eli and had a little trouble with the pros. He was more favorable on Chad, though I don't know that he put him in the top 10. Mike tried to get him to give a top ten but then keot jumping around asking other questions.
Pennington, easily. Just something about Eli that doesn't sit well with me.
Obviously, he answered Brady and Manning, too. He named his top five (Manning, Brady, McNabb, Palmer, Brees in that order), and then threw in Bulger and Hasselbeck and stopped at seven.i think he feels awkward about panning a giants qb.i doubt he was putting either in the top ten. iirc in the top ten (wasn't asked about peyton), he mentioned palmer, brees, bulger, mcnabb, hasselback; for others who didn't hear, he made it clear he had not prepared to answer the question. i see the interview is posted if anyone wants to listen; link is about halfway down the page under "Mike and the Mad Dog". http://www.wfan.com/Yes, that's what prompted the question. I thought Simms was going to give his answer, but he didn't.Chase - Did you hear Phil Simms on with Francesca about an hour ago talking about QBs? He was asked to give pros and cons on Eli and had a little trouble with the pros. He was more favorable on Chad, though I don't know that he put him in the top 10. Mike tried to get him to give a top ten but then keot jumping around asking other questions.
yep. just forgot to include brady and must have blocked out the peyton mention
even though i assumed he'd be #1.
Yes but Pennignton was given a grace period of learning the NFL game for 2 years before he was named the starter with the Jets. Manning was thrown to the wolves halfway through year 1.Pennington has started 55 games since entering the NFL has 31 Wins to 24 loses Chad didin't start a game in the NFL until his 3rd year in the league.Manning has played in 39 games. 20 wins to 19 loses.A note should be made that Manning only had 1 win in his rookie season in comaprison to 6 loses as he was learning the game. I still find it awfully difficult to compare these 2 at this point.
Who would you rather have for your favorite team in 2007?
Pennignton, I will take his consistency this season. In the long run Manning who I think will become more consistent.
Though I admit to being biased on these two to start, I think this is the way it must be approached. If the focus is on reliability, I think you can introduce health into the equation a little more, though.BTW, loved listening to Emmitt Smith on Eli last nioght "I don't want to play in San Diego. Iwant to play in New Yprk
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Two-thirds of people don't have both Eli and Chad in their top 16. I'm really not seeing it. Can some of those people chime in?Chase Stuart said:
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
as a Pats fan, I always though Pennington was underrated. He's a good QB who doesn't beat himself, doesn't make many stupid errors, doesn't fold under pressure... and NE has made a living off of that, forcing the other guy to make mistakes. It's why Pennington is tough.It's Pennington all the way for me.IMO, there are too many QBs out there with all the "sexy" skills but they can't play the position worth a damn. Guys like Bledsoe, Culpepper, Vick, and maybe even Eli come to mind here... everyone falls in love with their size, athleticism, or arm strength, but building-block #1 for an NFL QB should be defense-reading and decision making.
I have Eli outside of my top 16. Of your list, and assuming it was only for a single season, I would rather have: Byron Leftwich, Steve McNair (aka "Captain Checkdown"), Jay Cutler, Matt Leinart, Brett Favre, and Jake Delhomme. I'd also think long and hard about taking Alex Smith (who has at least shown signs of improvement) and Daunte Culpepper (if my team physicians could look him over first and assure me he was actually healthy and ready to go this time).
Didn't Pennington set a record for most consecutive passes in the red zone without an INT at one point? Or was it just that, until last season, he'd never thrown a red-zone INT in his career? Either way, I remember being duly impressed by the accomplishment.KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:as a Pats fan, I always though Pennington was underrated. He's a good QB who doesn't beat himself, doesn't make many stupid errors, doesn't fold under pressure... and NE has made a living off of that, forcing the other guy to make mistakes. It's why Pennington is tough.
Leftwich has never played a full season, and missed 15 games the past two years. He wasn't exactly a world beater last season, either, completing 59% of his passes at 6.3 Y/A and with a 7/5 TD/INT ratio. Manning at least is durable.I haven't seen nearly enough out of Cutler, Leinart or Leftwich to take them over Manning. Cutler completed 81 passes in his career so far...isn't it too early to say he's better than Eli? Cutler had the easiest schedule in the league last year, so his numbers are notably inflated. Leinart had 11/12 TD/INT ratio with a pair of awesome receivers...it's just too early for me to say he's a better NFL QB than Manning.Favre is pretty much done, I think. 56% completion percentage. Nine more INTs than TDs the past two years. He's turning 38 this year. McNair also leaves almost nothing to be desired...Manning is a better QB at this point. And I think Delhomme stinks.A 26 year old Matt Leinart, 26 year old Brett Favre, and a 26 year old McNair are better than the current 26 year old Manning. But I don't think any of those three are better than Manning at their current ages.
Pennington threw 44 TDs before throwing his first red-zone INT.
Me ranking those players over Eli has nothing to do with my high opinion of those players and everything to do with my low opinion of Eli. Cutler and Leinart may be unproven, but I'd rather have a CHANCE for my QB to be better than mediocre than a CERTAINTY that my QB will be just south of mediocre. Also, look back on how QBs did in their second season. I'd say that 80+% of the time, if the QB wound up amounting to anything, he was above average by his second season as a starter. Since I think Cutler and Leinart will both wind up amounting to something, I think both are going to be above-average this year. I also seem to think that McNair and Favre still have more left in the tank than you do.As far as Leftwich goes, he's appeared in 46 games to Manning's 41, so their careers to this point have been pretty comparable in length. Here are their career comparisons:Byron Leftwich- 196 career yards per game, 6.7 career yards per attempt, 58.7% career comp%, 1.42:1 career TD:INT ratioEli Manning- 196 career yards per game, 6.3 career yards per attempt, 54.1% career comp%, 1.23:1 career TD:INT rati
h yeah, Leftwich is a better runner, to boot, with 8 career TD runs (compared to 1 for Manning).
That's the one, thanks. That's an amazing streak, and the fact that he did it to START HIS CAREER only makes it even more so.
