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Tim Hightower, Best Steal of the Draft?

By AZRedReport.com Staff

Posted May 24, 2008

When the Arizona Cardinals selected RB Tim Hightower out of Richmond, most Cardinals fans asked who, what? As the draft dust settles, more and more are on board with the franchise's decision to nab the Marion Barber-esque back. Former pro scout Tom Marino, who has 35 years-plus experience in the league, couldn't rave more about the player he labels the best steal of the draft, he explains why.

Check back soon for an exclusive interview with Tim Hightower on AZRedReport.com

Most were surprised when the Cardinals selected Tim Hightower, what's your take?

Tom Marino: Tim Hightower is a great pick. I've seen all the draft publications, and nobody ever mentioned him. I think in my mind that Hightower has a next level to him, beyond some of the first-rounders.

Hightower can play with the guy from Tulane (Matt Forte) and the guy from Central Florida (Kevin Smith). Hightower was a guy, up to this year, who split time with three other backs. Hightower is a real steal for Arizona.

In college, Hightower had a bulls-eye on him. He was a marked man in every game. He carried the ball over 300 times and almost ran for 2,000 yards.

</I>What are Hightower's biggest strengths? </I>

TM: Hightower can catch, he can run, he has excellent vision and balance. The biggest thing about this guy is he never fumbled in 700 times carrying the ball. As a college football player that's unheard of. I'd call him the best selection in the whole draft.

This guy has a real chance of being a major contributor from the get go. He is one my favorite picks. In college, they couldn't tackle the guy.

What's Hightower's style of play?

TM: Hightower is a North-South guy. He has a little burst with his vision and quickness. The Cardinals are going to be able to control the football with him. He is highly underrated. Hightower kind of reminds me of Marcus Allen, in style and how he runs the ball.

Hightower is a fine pick. The Cardinals got themselves one of the best sleeper picks and the biggest steal.

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:lmao: This guy didnt seem far off on his review. Hightower has looked pretty good
 
I'm LOVIN IT , I P/U HIGHTOWER off waivers a few weeks ago based on some most excellant Shark Pool Insight/Research .. P.S. I almost forgot about giving credit to Sig Bloom Cecil Lam. 5 minute Drill Blurb .. SWEET

 
I am planning on drafting him as a handcuff to whichever RB the Cards draft next year.
That's likely his only upside.While they might not spend a high pick next year, the Cards arent going to just hand the reigns over to a Tim Hightower. His situation isnt that appealing in a dynasty league. Sure he could (not really likely but possible) potentially win the backup job to Edge, but an unspectacular backup RB in Arizona isnt worth where I see people ranking Hightower. How high of a pick are you going to spend on a player who is going to have an uphill battle just to be that?
SAAAAWWWIIINNNNGGG and a miss from the Unknown Coach!?!?!
 
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Rumor became reality Sunday. Hightower is now the featured back in a Cardinals offense that appears to no longer have room for a potential Hall of Famer. Given the results, it's hard to question the decision.

Hightower carried 22 times for 109 yards and a touchdown in the Cardinals' 34-13 victory over the Rams. He averaged almost 5 yards per carry and had several long runs, including a 30-yard scoring burst in the second quarter that was longer than any run James has made in Arizona.

It wasn't surprising to see Hightower start, but it was surprising to see James benched the whole game. Although coach Ken Whisenhunt said that wasn't his intent - "just the way the game developed" - you have to believe a message was sent to a player who has made choices recently that haven't pleased the staff, including being open with his frustrations about his use in this offense.

"I'm not surprised," James said. "I don't fit the 'yes-man' mold. . . . They can sit me down for the rest of the year. I'll still come and go to work.

"I'm happy for Tim. I'm supportive of Tim. I knew he was going to have a big day. But this was personal."

It was interesting to watch the dynamics of the two running backs during the game. After Hightower would come off the field, he would sit on the bench next to James, and the two would discuss the series. Several times, James walked up to the sideline to meet Hightower and congratulate him.

"It means a lot to me to have somebody like him," Hightower said. "I look up to him. I respect him a lot. From Day 1, he's embraced me, he's taught me a lot of things, and he's pretty much held me by the hand and walked me through things.

"It helps the game slow down a lot more when you have not just two eyes, when you have four eyes looking, and I feel like he's right out there with me."

It's too bad, but there's no room for sentiment in the NFL anymore, not when stakes are this high. You have to admire how James has taken Hightower under his wing, knowing what it's costing him. But if the rookie continues to play this way, especially with J.J. Arrington in the mix, James will be gone after the season.

Why did Hightower give James the game ball?

"He deserves it," Hightower said. "He's done so much for me."

Hightower is doing a lot for this team. Several times Sunday, he made defenders miss, which is not something James, a grind-it-out back, does very often. The Cardinals need more of what Hightower is selling, and his contributions make this offense more versatile.

It says something when even quarterback Kurt Warner, who would pass on every down if the team agreed to it, spoke afterward of the great value an enhanced running game would provide.

"I think that's the blessing of (balance)," Warner said. "If you can run the football with the way we pass it, teams are going to have to decide on every play, 'What are we going to do here? What are we going to take away?'

"It's nice as a quarterback to feel like you don't have to make every play."

With Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald and Steve Breaston, the passing game is deadly. But it's also true that in four of the team's five victories, the Cardinals had 30 or more carries. In all three losses, they carried 25 or fewer times.

Twice, the pass-to-rush ratio was lopsided (108 vs. 29 combined).

Numbers don't tell the whole story, but they shouldn't be ignored, either.

"We are becoming a good football team," Whisenhunt said.

It's true. Who would have guessed a rookie tailback would help lead the way?

 
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:moneybag:

Much, much, thanks to Jeff for bringing Hightower to our attention during the preseason. :shrug:

 
He was worth a flier in dynasty drafts before this game, but now his stock will be inflated too much. Many of his owners probably value him as equal to a 1st round rookie pick now.
As a dynasty owner, I'm considering him at the 1.7 spot my next pick is not until the 2.10 spot. He's hit my radar.
Wow
I've seen Torian go as high as 6 and no one even saw him play. Atleast you know this guy can play altough I wouldn't take him in the 1st but now the 2nd looks like a really smart move.
That doesnt make Hightower at the 1.7 a good pick. I could see him moving up into the mid/late 2nd, but mid first?
Would you pick one of the WR over him? (Rookie Draft) Where do you see him vs some of the other rooks?
Mcfadden, Stewart, Mendenhall, Johnson, Forte, Smith, Rice, Jones, Slaton, Torrain Ryan and Flacco

Hardy, Avery, Thomas, Royal, Sweed, Bennett, Simpson

Keller

Definelty those guys, and maybe a small handful of others.
Flacco????? You must not be buying at all.
Flacco was a first round QB, and i was high on him from the begining. Hightower is a 5th round pick, who has had a good camp and 5 preseason carries. The odds that Flacco is a starter in this league three years from now is much better than Hightower.
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I am not in the pro or anti-Hightower camp. However, can we wait until he plays against even an average D before we put him in the HOF? I am not saying you should not pick him from the WW if still available, but let's temper down until he plays against someone other than the God forsaken Rams D

 
I am not in the pro or anti-Hightower camp. However, can we wait until he plays against even an average D before we put him in the HOF? I am not saying you should not pick him from the WW if still available, but let's temper down until he plays against someone other than the God forsaken Rams D
Yeah because everyone has been putting him in the Hall of Fame.
 
"It means a lot to me to have somebody like him," Hightower said. "I look up to him. I respect him a lot. From Day 1, he's embraced me, he's taught me a lot of things, and he's pretty much held me by the hand and walked me through things."It helps the game slow down a lot more when you have not just two eyes, when you have four eyes looking, and I feel like he's right out there with me."Why did Hightower give James the game ball?"He deserves it," Hightower said. "He's done so much for me."
:thumbup:Kid is a class act to boot. Makes him even more fun to root for.
 
I am not in the pro or anti-Hightower camp. However, can we wait until he plays against even an average D before we put him in the HOF? I am not saying you should not pick him from the WW if still available, but let's temper down until he plays against someone other than the God forsaken Rams D
Speaking as a dynasty onwer, the correct answer is no. Not saying you are a naysayer, but the naysayers made it possible for Tim to fall in most drafts. I'm pretty satisified with the return on my investment.
 
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I don't think Jim Brown in his prime would have success running the ball in this offense. I was so close to trading him after the St. Louis game, but I decided to roll with him. Big mistake. I'm waiting for Arrington to take over soon. He seems better suited for this offense. Maybe Hightower will keep goal line carries.

 
I don't think Jim Brown in his prime would have success running the ball in this offense. I was so close to trading him after the St. Louis game, but I decided to roll with him. Big mistake. I'm waiting for Arrington to take over soon. He seems better suited for this offense. Maybe Hightower will keep goal line carries.
Same boat...kicking myself now. Tony Sauragosa(?) was commenting last week (vs. Giants) that the defense knows if the Card's are running or passing based on how they lineup. Not sure how much of an effect that is having. Timmy doesn't seem to have a lot of opps to get past the first line.
 
I don't think Jim Brown in his prime would have success running the ball in this offense.
Totally have to disagree with this. While the run-blocking may not be the greatest, a good RB should be able to create something given how much attention defenses have to pay to Warner and his all-world WRs.
 
I hate to say it but the edge actually looked better....maybe not faster or more dynamic but he found that wedge and at least fell forward for 3-4 yards everytime...

 
Some blame has to go to the coaching staff -since his breakout game he has had 13, 11, 11 and 7 carries in a game - that is not enough for a RB like Tower to get in a zone. I still say lets see what the kid can do with 20 carries a game. In the playoffs they will not win by slinging it around and running 7 times a game. Even the greatest show on turf ran the ball well. Thorwing the ball every time inside the 3 yd line is just stupid.

 
In my league Hightower is currently on the WW. I see that in Week 14 AZ has StL at home.

In their last game against StL, Hightower had 22 carries for 109 with a TD, plus 18 rec. yards.

Do you think maybe he can repeat his earlier performance next week against StL, or should we just stay away from TH for the remainder? :goodposting:

 
In my league Hightower is currently on the WW. I see that in Week 14 AZ has StL at home.In their last game against StL, Hightower had 22 carries for 109 with a TD, plus 18 rec. yards.Do you think maybe he can repeat his earlier performance next week against StL, or should we just stay away from TH for the remainder? :lmao:
I would definitely expect a better performance out of Hightower against St Louis.He will get what is blocked for him and St Louis gives up a lot of that.But, at the end of the day Hightower is what he is. A replacement level back that is being given regular work. NFL benches and practice squads are littered with players of equivalent caliber. BJGE, Gary Russell, Aaron Stecker, Danny Ware....just a few off the top of my head who are essentially similar players awaiting similar reps who would put up similar numbers.If you own Hightower and don't have better options get all the value you can out of him (via trade or by exploiting his weak match-ups), but don't expect any staying power in retaining a prominent role. If you don't currently own him he's not a guy I would be targeting to acquire unless you are truly desperate or in a 16 team league.
 
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In my league Hightower is currently on the WW. I see that in Week 14 AZ has StL at home.In their last game against StL, Hightower had 22 carries for 109 with a TD, plus 18 rec. yards.Do you think maybe he can repeat his earlier performance next week against StL, or should we just stay away from TH for the remainder? :rolleyes:
I would definitely expect a better performance out of Hightower against St Louis.He will get what is blocked for him and St Louis gives up a lot of that.But, at the end of the day Hightower is what he is. A replacement level back that is being given regular work. NFL benches and practice squads are littered with players of equivalent caliber. BJGE, Gary Russell, Aaron Stecker, Danny Ware....just a few off the top of my head who are essentially similar players awaiting similar reps who would put up similar numbers.If you own Hightower and don't have better options get all the value you can out of him (via trade or by exploiting his weak match-ups), but don't expect any staying power in retaining a prominent role. If you don't currently own him he's not a guy I would be targeting to acquire unless you are truly desperate or in a 16 team league.
Yeah I would agree with that assessment. I currently have MBIII, Lynch, LJ, and Warrick Dunn. Now with MBIII potentially out I'm just trying to decide which are my best options at RB.
 
I don't think Jim Brown in his prime would have success running the ball in this offense.
Totally have to disagree with this. While the run-blocking may not be the greatest, a good RB should be able to create something given how much attention defenses have to pay to Warner and his all-world WRs.
Yeah that has to be a joke. Jim Brown? Are you kidding me? You realize Jim Brown ran against 9/10/11 man fronts. The Cards have Boldin and Fitz. The safeties are 20 yards off the ball. The cardinals run against 6-7 man fronts all day. Warner is on fire tossing the ball around. Any half decent RB would be tearing it up. I never saw a safety in the box all night. They played nothing but cover two. Philly basically begged them to run the ball.

People love to talk about how RB has no WRs to take the pressure off. Hightower has two HOF WRs, in their prime, forcing 4 guys to cover them. If you can't run playing for the Cardinals, you're awful. Sure the line isn't that great, but who's is? Lynch? LT? SJAX? Gore? MJD? Lots of guys run behind GARBAGE. And none of them have Fitz/Boldin being double covered all day.

Jim Brown. *lol* I'd wager you could get Jim Brown TODAY to get 100 yards for the Cardinals in a game. The Cardinals have awful RBs. They run straight, then fall down. Hightower didn't make anyone miss all day. Either did the other two chumps. No RB with Boldin/Fitz on the outside has anything to cry about.

 
I know that Arrington's running in different situations, but you'd still have to think that at some point Arrington's 5.8 ypc will have to have a shot at replacing Hightower's 2.9 ypc. He's made something happen almost every time he's touched the ball so far this year.

 
Nobody can blame Hightower. Arizona is doing a HORRIBLE job of keeping a balanced offense. This is the reason why they can't beat a good team. They only run in the most obvious situations, and the most obvious formations. I can sit at home, watch Warner call his play at the line and pretty much tell you exactly what he is about to do before he does it. Now, against bad teams... it works because they simply can't cover Arizona's receivers. However, against good teams... if you don't mix things up and don't keep them guessing with the run... they won't win. Hightower isn't getting a chance to perform up to his potential. Especially a bruising runner like him. You can't just give him the ball on 2nd and 10 a few times spread out through the game and expect something amazing.

 
Nobody can blame Hightower. Arizona is doing a HORRIBLE job of keeping a balanced offense. This is the reason why they can't beat a good team. They only run in the most obvious situations, and the most obvious formations. I can sit at home, watch Warner call his play at the line and pretty much tell you exactly what he is about to do before he does it. Now, against bad teams... it works because they simply can't cover Arizona's receivers. However, against good teams... if you don't mix things up and don't keep them guessing with the run... they won't win. Hightower isn't getting a chance to perform up to his potential. Especially a bruising runner like him. You can't just give him the ball on 2nd and 10 a few times spread out through the game and expect something amazing.
Exactly - reminds me of the JEts offense with TJ last year. I could call the run plays from my couch - you dont think a good DC isn't all over that? Plus having a 90%-10% pass/run ratio keeps from getting into any synch. Az would shock an opponent if it ran the ball more - can't believe Whisenhunt is a product of Pitt coaching!
 
Arizona needs to draft a running back next year, preferably WAY before the 5th round.

 
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I know that Arrington's running in different situations, but you'd still have to think that at some point Arrington's 5.8 ypc will have to have a shot at replacing Hightower's 2.9 ypc. He's made something happen almost every time he's touched the ball so far this year.
It looks like Edge is still the best RB on the team. Edge was averaging almost 1 yard more a carry in the same offense.
 
Some blame has to go to the coaching staff -since his breakout game he has had 13, 11, 11 and 7 carries in a game - that is not enough for a RB like Tower to get in a zone. I still say lets see what the kid can do with 20 carries a game.
Okay, in the real world, if you have a RB with 2.0 yards per carry, you don't give him more carries.
 
Nobody can blame Hightower. Arizona is doing a HORRIBLE job of keeping a balanced offense. This is the reason why they can't beat a good team. They only run in the most obvious situations, and the most obvious formations. I can sit at home, watch Warner call his play at the line and pretty much tell you exactly what he is about to do before he does it. Now, against bad teams... it works because they simply can't cover Arizona's receivers. However, against good teams... if you don't mix things up and don't keep them guessing with the run... they won't win. Hightower isn't getting a chance to perform up to his potential. Especially a bruising runner like him. You can't just give him the ball on 2nd and 10 a few times spread out through the game and expect something amazing.
It's kinda a 'chicken and the egg' argument.Is their running game crappy (run blocking and RBs) because they don't run a balanced offense or do they not run a balanced offense because they running game is crappy?
 
Avery said:
WiDDoW_MaKeR said:
Nobody can blame Hightower. Arizona is doing a HORRIBLE job of keeping a balanced offense. This is the reason why they can't beat a good team. They only run in the most obvious situations, and the most obvious formations. I can sit at home, watch Warner call his play at the line and pretty much tell you exactly what he is about to do before he does it. Now, against bad teams... it works because they simply can't cover Arizona's receivers. However, against good teams... if you don't mix things up and don't keep them guessing with the run... they won't win. Hightower isn't getting a chance to perform up to his potential. Especially a bruising runner like him. You can't just give him the ball on 2nd and 10 a few times spread out through the game and expect something amazing.
It's kinda a 'chicken and the egg' argument.Is their running game crappy (run blocking and RBs) because they don't run a balanced offense or do they not run a balanced offense because they running game is crappy?
How is your running game supposed to be any good, when your #1 back has 7 carries? All carries coming at the most obvious times? Hightower only has 42 carries in his last 4 games combined. How is a punishing running back supposed to wear down a defense, and impose his will when he is only averaging 10 1/2 carries a game? Especially when he is the only person who is really carrying the ball. It isn't as if they have someone else in there wearing them down as well. They hand him the ball on 2nd and 10 if they throw an incomplete on first down. That is really hard to figure out. Bring Arrington in and pass 10 times in a row... then bring Hightower back onto the field... uh....Did you see how many times they threw the ball on the goaline in that game? I mean... Hightower has been nothing but money on short yardage all year long. I am starting to think that Warner is changing plays at the line to pad his stats or something. Everytime it looks like they are set up in running formation at the goaline... Warner calls an audible, pounds his foot, the fullback changes to the other side, and he throws a slant to either Boldin or Fitzgerald.
 
Da Guru said:
wdcrob said:
I know that Arrington's running in different situations, but you'd still have to think that at some point Arrington's 5.8 ypc will have to have a shot at replacing Hightower's 2.9 ypc. He's made something happen almost every time he's touched the ball so far this year.
It looks like Edge is still the best RB on the team. Edge was averaging almost 1 yard more a carry in the same offense.
Well considering that Edge carried the ball about as many times in week one that Hightower has carried the ball in his last three games... it isn't hard to understand why he may have been able to find more of a groove. If they gave the ball to Hightower 25 times a game... I think that they might be suprised with the results. If they don't start giving him the ball.... they will not go anywhere in the playoffs. You can't beat top level teams on the big stage if the guy who sits at home playing Fantasy Football can pick apart your playcalling all night long.
 
wdcrob said:
I know that Arrington's running in different situations, but you'd still have to think that at some point Arrington's 5.8 ypc will have to have a shot at replacing Hightower's 2.9 ypc. He's made something happen almost every time he's touched the ball so far this year.
Not hard to do when you get the hand off on 2 down and 20 from the shotgun formation. Hightower is getting all of the obvious carries, then Arrington is in their for nothing but passing downs 95% of the time... then they throw him a bone with a handoff and the defense is actually suprised for once.
 
Da Guru said:
wdcrob said:
I know that Arrington's running in different situations, but you'd still have to think that at some point Arrington's 5.8 ypc will have to have a shot at replacing Hightower's 2.9 ypc. He's made something happen almost every time he's touched the ball so far this year.
It looks like Edge is still the best RB on the team. Edge was averaging almost 1 yard more a carry in the same offense.
Well considering that Edge carried the ball about as many times in week one that Hightower has carried the ball in his last three games... it isn't hard to understand why he may have been able to find more of a groove. If they gave the ball to Hightower 25 times a game... I think that they might be suprised with the results. If they don't start giving him the ball.... they will not go anywhere in the playoffs. You can't beat top level teams on the big stage if the guy who sits at home playing Fantasy Football can pick apart your playcalling all night long.
Look, we're sorry that you lost a game because you started Hightower, but the fact is, by any measurable quantity he has sucked all year long. On first and 10, Hightower has 54 carries and is averaging less than 3 yards per carry. In this most recent game, five of his seven carries were on first and 10; the other two were on second and 5 and second and 3. The fact that his numbers are bad has nothing to do with the situations he's getting the ball in; it has to do with the fact that he's a mediocre running back on a team with a bad running game. (As opposed to Edge, who is a good running back on a team with a bad running game, and who has outperformed Hightower at every down and distance). They're not going anywhere in the playoffs because they have no running game and weak defense. Handing Hightower the ball to get one yard on first down more often won't get them any further.
 
Da Guru said:
wdcrob said:
I know that Arrington's running in different situations, but you'd still have to think that at some point Arrington's 5.8 ypc will have to have a shot at replacing Hightower's 2.9 ypc. He's made something happen almost every time he's touched the ball so far this year.
It looks like Edge is still the best RB on the team. Edge was averaging almost 1 yard more a carry in the same offense.
Well considering that Edge carried the ball about as many times in week one that Hightower has carried the ball in his last three games... it isn't hard to understand why he may have been able to find more of a groove. If they gave the ball to Hightower 25 times a game... I think that they might be suprised with the results. If they don't start giving him the ball.... they will not go anywhere in the playoffs. You can't beat top level teams on the big stage if the guy who sits at home playing Fantasy Football can pick apart your playcalling all night long.
Look, we're sorry that you lost a game because you started Hightower, but the fact is, by any measurable quantity he has sucked all year long. On first and 10, Hightower has 54 carries and is averaging less than 3 yards per carry. In this most recent game, five of his seven carries were on first and 10; the other two were on second and 5 and second and 3. The fact that his numbers are bad has nothing to do with the situations he's getting the ball in; it has to do with the fact that he's a mediocre running back on a team with a bad running game. (As opposed to Edge, who is a good running back on a team with a bad running game, and who has outperformed Hightower at every down and distance). They're not going anywhere in the playoffs because they have no running game and weak defense. Handing Hightower the ball to get one yard on first down more often won't get them any further.
First of all... grow up.Second... I didn't lose a game by starting Hightower.Third.... You are killing me, pretending like Edge was doing something worthwhile for the Cardinals running game. The man was given MANY MANY more opportunites for good games than Hightower and he completely failed.Last... As I have already stated. When you have a running back like Hightower, giving him those amount of carries is completely useless. Running backs like him are supposed to be fed the ball to hammer down the defense, and then the game breaks open for them. What happened the ONLY time this year when Hightower got over 20 carries? If he was a mediocre running back on a team with a bad running game, he wouldn't have had that good of a game even against that bad of a run defense. When is the last time that you saw Marion Barber have an amazing performance off of 7 carries?Thanks for playing. :lmao:
 
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Third.... You are killing me, pretending like Edge was doing something worthwhile for the Cardinals running game. The man was given MANY MANY more opportunites for good games than Hightower and he completely failed.
Edge wasn't putting up numbers, but he clearly was doing better than Hightower is.
Last... As I have already stated. When you have a running back like Hightower, giving him those amount of carries is completely useless. Running backs like him are supposed to be fed the ball to hammer down the defense, and then the game breaks open for them. What happened the ONLY time this year when Hightower got over 20 carries? If he was a mediocre running back on a team with a bad running game, he wouldn't have had that good of a game even against that bad of a run defense. When is the last time that you saw Marion Barber have an amazing performance off of 7 carries?
Well, let's see. Barber has 5 games in his career where he had exactly 7 carries. In those games, he has 35 carries for 157 yards (4.5 ypc) and 4 TDs. In other words, he's performed pretty much the same in games where he had 7 carries and when he's had more. And of course you'll find the same of the RB population in general; there's nothing magic about your 20th carry that makes you gain more yardage than on your first carry. In fact, league-wide you'll find that carries in the fourth quarter go for less yardage than carries in the first quarter; the idea that running backs do better later in games is a myth.
 
When you have a running back like Hightower, giving him those amount of carries is completely useless.
By "like Hightower" you must mean very very average. On the slow side without great vision, but can follow a OLman for 1 or 2 yards.Seriously, guys "like Hightower" are extremely fortunate to fall into an opportunity to get any reps let alone be fed the ball.
 
Arrington 1st and 10: eight rushes for fifty-four yards, 6.75 ypc

Hightower 1st and 10: fifty-two rushes for one-hundred sixty-two yards, 3.11 ypc

Arrington >6 yards to go: six rushes for sixty-one yards, 10.17 ypc

Hightower > 6 yards to go: twenty-three rushes for eighty-six yards, 3.74 ypc

Arrington <7 yards to go: six rushes for nine yards, 1.50 ypc (first down or TD two of six times - 33%)

Hightower <7 yards to go: thirty-seven rushes for 80 yards, 2.16 ypc (first down or TD 20/37 times - 54%)

So... with limited sample sizes...

Arrington is miles better on 1st and 10

Arrington is miles better with > six yards to go

Hightower is better in short yardage (though Arrington was one good run away from matching him here too)

 
Arrington 1st and 10: eight rushes for fifty-four yards, 6.75 ypcHightower 1st and 10: fifty-two rushes for one-hundred sixty-two yards, 3.11 ypcArrington >6 yards to go: six rushes for sixty-one yards, 10.17 ypcHightower > 6 yards to go: twenty-three rushes for eighty-six yards, 3.74 ypcArrington <7 yards to go: six rushes for nine yards, 1.50 ypc (first down or TD two of six times - 33%)Hightower <7 yards to go: thirty-seven rushes for 80 yards, 2.16 ypc (first down or TD 20/37 times - 54%)So... with limited sample sizes...Arrington is miles better on 1st and 10Arrington is miles better with > six yards to goHightower is better in short yardage (though Arrington was one good run away from matching him here too)
When Arrington is in, the opponent is playing the pass. When Hightower is in, the opponent plays the obvious run. Think that might have something to do with it?
 
When Arrington is in, the opponent is playing the pass. When Hightower is in, the opponent plays the obvious run. Think that might have something to do with it?
So, if I might sum up your position... it's true because you believe it is.Fair enough, but it's kind of hard to have a discussion with you.
 
Arrington 1st and 10: eight rushes for fifty-four yards, 6.75 ypcHightower 1st and 10: fifty-two rushes for one-hundred sixty-two yards, 3.11 ypcArrington >6 yards to go: six rushes for sixty-one yards, 10.17 ypcHightower > 6 yards to go: twenty-three rushes for eighty-six yards, 3.74 ypcArrington <7 yards to go: six rushes for nine yards, 1.50 ypc (first down or TD two of six times - 33%)Hightower <7 yards to go: thirty-seven rushes for 80 yards, 2.16 ypc (first down or TD 20/37 times - 54%)So... with limited sample sizes...Arrington is miles better on 1st and 10Arrington is miles better with > six yards to goHightower is better in short yardage (though Arrington was one good run away from matching him here too)
When Arrington is in, the opponent is playing the pass. When Hightower is in, the opponent plays the obvious run. Think that might have something to do with it?
Probably, though a washed up Edge has been more succesful this season than Hightower as a starter.
 
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Arrington 1st and 10: eight rushes for fifty-four yards, 6.75 ypcHightower 1st and 10: fifty-two rushes for one-hundred sixty-two yards, 3.11 ypcArrington >6 yards to go: six rushes for sixty-one yards, 10.17 ypcHightower > 6 yards to go: twenty-three rushes for eighty-six yards, 3.74 ypcArrington <7 yards to go: six rushes for nine yards, 1.50 ypc (first down or TD two of six times - 33%)Hightower <7 yards to go: thirty-seven rushes for 80 yards, 2.16 ypc (first down or TD 20/37 times - 54%)So... with limited sample sizes...Arrington is miles better on 1st and 10Arrington is miles better with > six yards to goHightower is better in short yardage (though Arrington was one good run away from matching him here too)
When Arrington is in, the opponent is playing the pass. When Hightower is in, the opponent plays the obvious run. Think that might have something to do with it?
Probably, though a washed up Edge has been more succesful this season than Hightower as a starter.
Not in my opinion. You guys act like stats equal everything. It is about the opportunities. Edge had more opportunites when he was the starter. At the begining of the year, he got a much greater number of carries per game. That makes a huge difference. It makes an even bigger difference because even when Edge was getting a good bit of carries, Hightower carried the ball too. Running the ball that much in general is going to give you a better chance for success on the ground. Now, we simply have Hightower carrying the ball... but Arizona isn't running the ball enough to have an effective running attack. Like I said before... it is WAY to obvious when they are about to run the ball. You can't expect any player to thrive under those conditions. Now... if they kept the defense guessing by having a more balanced attack... Hightower would have much greater success. However... when you have Arrington in for 8 plays in a row from the shotgun position... then take him out and bring Hightower in... it isn't rocket science that the defense is going to be looking for the run. Now.. sometimes they pass at that point, and it helps the passing game when they bring Hightower in and the defense has to think run. However, it sure doesn't help Hightower.
 
Not in my opinion. You guys act like stats equal everything. It is about the opportunities. Edge had more opportunites when he was the starter. At the begining of the year, he got a much greater number of carries per game. That makes a huge difference.
Edge got more carries because he was gaining yardage. As mentioned, Hightower had five carries on first and 10 this week. First Arizona offensive play (not a running situation): -1 yards. Two pass plays result in a first down, then Hightower gets another call (not a running situation): -3 yards.

Next series, Hightower gets the first play again (not a running situation). 4 yards.

Next series, Arizona down 14-0, Hightower gets the first play again (not a running situation). 2 yards.

Next series, Arizona down 21-0, they pass down the field, gets to first and 10 at the 10 yard line. (Not a running situation). 2 yards.

So in five situations that were not clearly running situations (and, given Arizona's tendencies, you'd have to think they'd be more likely to pass than run), Hightower sucked his way to an average of 1.0 yards per carry.

What evidence do you have that he'd perform any better if you handed the ball to him three times as much? Why would any sane coach throw more investment into a situation that's clearly not working, when you have the best passing game in the league?

 
Not in my opinion. You guys act like stats equal everything. It is about the opportunities. Edge had more opportunites when he was the starter. At the begining of the year, he got a much greater number of carries per game. That makes a huge difference.
Edge got more carries because he was gaining yardage. As mentioned, Hightower had five carries on first and 10 this week. First Arizona offensive play (not a running situation): -1 yards. Two pass plays result in a first down, then Hightower gets another call (not a running situation): -3 yards.

Next series, Hightower gets the first play again (not a running situation). 4 yards.

Next series, Arizona down 14-0, Hightower gets the first play again (not a running situation). 2 yards.

Next series, Arizona down 21-0, they pass down the field, gets to first and 10 at the 10 yard line. (Not a running situation). 2 yards.

So in five situations that were not clearly running situations (and, given Arizona's tendencies, you'd have to think they'd be more likely to pass than run), Hightower sucked his way to an average of 1.0 yards per carry.

What evidence do you have that he'd perform any better if you handed the ball to him three times as much? Why would any sane coach throw more investment into a situation that's clearly not working, when you have the best passing game in the league?
You obviously aren't grasping what I am telling you. There isn't any need for me to keep repeating myself. Edge was gaining more yardage because they had a more well balanced attack. He was on the field a major majority of the time, and the defense couldn't just play run stop when Edge was back there. Anytime that Hightower is in the game... the defense looks for the run. This is because they keep Arrington out there so often on the passing downs. Hell... they had Arrington in for a huge amount of plays over the past two weeks and he only got 3 carries. Do you think that the defenses are worried about the run at that point? They simply aren't mixing it up enough. Their entire formation and Warner's actions at the line are a clear give away as to when they are going to run the ball. If I can see it... there isn't a DC in the NFL that can't. You can even tell when a run play is called, and Hightower is in the game... but the defense has it sniffed out and Warner changes the play at the line. Honestly... their offense is so predictable that it isn't funny. Which is why they can't beat the top teams. If you had Hightower the ball over 20 times... there is a much greater chance for him to put together a good effort. Not only that, but he has shown to be VERY good in the passing game, and they keep taking him out on passing downs. If they kept Hightower in for the entire game, and gave him the ball from different formations, as well as used some play action pass, ect... the defense wouldn't be able to just stop run when Hightower is in there, and stop pass when he isn't. Against St. Louis they were running him with counter plays, delay's, ect... and he was having huge success. Against a bad run D, but it just shows that if you give him a chance, he can produce in the NFL. The man wouldn't be money at the goaline and short distances if he couldn't gain yardage. He does that when the defense is all out on the run... imagine what he could do if the defense had to respect the run AND the pass. Arizona's own coaching staff has admitted that they are abandoning the run way too early in games, and that they need to give Hightower the ball more. It isn't any secret.
 
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Has nobody else actually watched the line play? Good pass protection...HORRID run-blocking.

Arrington is in on 75% of passing downs, and has actually had a few holes to run through when he gets a carry. I suspect that oppionents are keying pass. Arrington is a nice complimentary scat-back.

TH has had very few holes.

Forget the stats in this case, because they are VERY misleading. TH has shown some burst, some wiggle, and some power. With even moderate run-blocking he can (and will) be successful. BUT (big BUT), he's not a game-changer. He will never be an elite back, but he is a decent lead back.

I don't understand how so many guys try to judge running backs without actually watching their O-lines and what kind of space/opportunity they actually have. Look what happened with Westbrook this week. BW didn't just suddenly come to life...he saw the first real holes he's had in over a month. When TH gets a few real holes, he'll produce just fine.

 

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