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Who is WR to own in SD? (1 Viewer)

tombonneau

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So I haven't yet, but I plan on following the SD camp more than any other simply because someone on that team is going to produce solid receiving numbers with Vjax out of town.

The major players are:

-Vincent Brown

-Robert Meachem

-Malcolm Floyd

-Antonio Gates

I throw Gates in as if he is healthy I could see this being his last big season, so his health will be critical to monitor.

Of the WRs, I think I'm liking Brown the most as Meachem & Floyd have already proven that they are nothing special and Brown showed some flashes and has generated some buzz. Of course even an average WR in that offense could produce great numbers if given a chance, so really just a matter of keeping on eye on chemistry and who grows into the WR1 role.

Thoughts?

 
The one guy Norv has been raving about all offseason isn't even on your list...Eddie Royal. Not that he'd be my pick to own, but there are a lot of fish in this pond.

 
My take on whats been coming out of camp:

1 - Gates is healthy, he will be the target and draw the D's coverage.

2 - Meachem, this is the deep bomb WR threat to replace Vjax, the 9 route will be his

3 - M.Floyd

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4 - V.brown

5 - E.Royal

Just not enough passes for these bottom 2 guys to worry about when you factor in the passes going to Mathews too.

 
My take on whats been coming out of camp:1 - Gates is healthy, he will be the target and draw the D's coverage.2 - Meachem, this is the deep bomb WR threat to replace Vjax, the 9 route will be his3 - M.Floyd ---------------------------4 - V.brown5 - E.Royal Just not enough passes for these bottom 2 guys to worry about when you factor in the passes going to Mathews too.
i pretty much agree w/ ur rankings.also, most stuff im seeing says royal is the punt return/kick return guy primarily. cant see how that would make him more than the #4.
 
Outside of Gates, I don't think that there necessarily has to be a single option that sets himself apart from the pack.

Before Vincent Jackson emerged a few years ago, the ball was reasonably spread around to many WRs - I can see it happening again.

 
i picked up royal in the offseason. he was mis-used the past few seasons in Denver, i think. while i like the WR corps in SD, i think he has a chance to be productive. gates - because of age - is breaking down. i just don't see him playing as much as they'd like. he is still a terrific RZ target but royal's speed in the slot is going to make him a frequent target. he brings a new look to the same SD offense.

 
Would love to draft Meechem but I don't like his value to be honest. Seems like whenever I have a chance to grab him I like someone else much more.

 
i picked up royal in the offseason. he was mis-used the past few seasons in Denver, i think. while i like the WR corps in SD, i think he has a chance to be productive. gates - because of age - is breaking down. i just don't see him playing as much as they'd like. he is still a terrific RZ target but royal's speed in the slot is going to make him a frequent target. he brings a new look to the same SD offense.
The problem with this reasoning is why didn't Shanahan go after him if being mis-used was the issue? Shanahan has shown he knows how to use him, was signing free agent WRs like a wild man this offseason, but didn't have any interest in a guy that at one time excelled in his system.
 
My take on whats been coming out of camp:1 - Gates is healthy, he will be the target and draw the D's coverage.2 - Meachem, this is the deep bomb WR threat to replace Vjax, the 9 route will be his3 - M.Floyd ---------------------------4 - V.brown5 - E.Royal Just not enough passes for these bottom 2 guys to worry about when you factor in the passes going to Mathews too.
I pretty well agree with this, but I'd switch Vincent Brown with Malcolm Floyd. Floyd's had the opportunity to become the WR1 on the team for a couple years now with Vincent Jackson being injured or holding out, but he's never taken advantage of it. As someone who'll be 31 years old by the time the season starts and as someone who's yet to have 50 receptions in a season yet in his career, I think the chance that he breaks out this year is minimal at best.
 
i picked up royal in the offseason. he was mis-used the past few seasons in Denver, i think. while i like the WR corps in SD, i think he has a chance to be productive. gates - because of age - is breaking down. i just don't see him playing as much as they'd like. he is still a terrific RZ target but royal's speed in the slot is going to make him a frequent target. he brings a new look to the same SD offense.
The problem with this reasoning is why didn't Shanahan go after him if being mis-used was the issue? Shanahan has shown he knows how to use him, was signing free agent WRs like a wild man this offseason, but didn't have any interest in a guy that at one time excelled in his system.
I thought the Redskins did go after Royal, but then San Diego swooped in with a better offer ? Could be wrong, but was pretty sure that Skins had met with Royal.
 
This is what intrigues me about this guy:

Chargers coach Norv Turner expects slot receiver Eddie Royal to handle some of the targets that went to running backs in 2011. More than a quarter of the Chargers' 2011 pass attempts were directed at a tailback, which was the second-highest mark in the league (Saints). With Mike Tolbert gone, Turner expects Royal to take on "a lot" of those catches. "We haven't had that guy," said Turner. "Eddie's really been impressive as the guy who runs the option routes, runs the seams, runs the post -- some higher percentage stuff." Royal may see plenty of snaps in the slot, but with Mathews, Robert Meachem, Malcom Floyd, Vincent Brown, and Antonio Gates competing for targets, his fantasy upside is limited.
If Rivers falls in love with this guy, PPR-money.
 
i picked up royal in the offseason. he was mis-used the past few seasons in Denver, i think. while i like the WR corps in SD, i think he has a chance to be productive. gates - because of age - is breaking down. i just don't see him playing as much as they'd like. he is still a terrific RZ target but royal's speed in the slot is going to make him a frequent target. he brings a new look to the same SD offense.
The problem with this reasoning is why didn't Shanahan go after him if being mis-used was the issue? Shanahan has shown he knows how to use him, was signing free agent WRs like a wild man this offseason, but didn't have any interest in a guy that at one time excelled in his system.
I thought the Redskins did go after Royal, but then San Diego swooped in with a better offer ? Could be wrong, but was pretty sure that Skins had met with Royal.
This is true. I believe Royal chose SD over Washington.
Yeah, SD offered a higher contract that included a guaranteed $6 mil over 3 years. My thought was that if Shanahan thought he was a difference maker why the low ball offer when he was overpaying for Garcon & Morgan? Just not sure his play can be attributed to misuse.
 
I can't help but feel like Meachem and Royal are going to be the fool's gold they've proven to be in the past. I think I'd rather take my chances with Gates if anyone and a late flyer on Vincent Brown.

 
Thanks for getting this discussion going while I was busy working, guys. ;)

Good info here. I had forgotten about Royal. All this discussion really makes me think Gates might be this year's value play at TE with a ppr ADP of 54 at TE5. I think outside of Gronk & Graham he has the best shot at TE1 this year.

 
I pretty well agree with this, but I'd switch Vincent Brown with Malcolm Floyd. Floyd's had the opportunity to become the WR1 on the team for a couple years now with Vincent Jackson being injured or holding out, but he's never taken advantage of it. As someone who'll be 31 years old by the time the season starts and as someone who's yet to have 50 receptions in a season yet in his career, I think the chance that he breaks out this year is minimal at best.
You mean the Malcolm Floyd who averaged 71+ yds a game last year in the games he played. Missed 4 games, but was on pace for an 1140 yd season. Or the Malcolm Floyd that averaged 65+ yds a game in 2010 (missed 5 games, on pace for 1000+ yds). He scored 5 TDs last year and 6 in 2010 (starting 9 games both years). For starting one more game than half a season those are decent numbers and not much off VJax's mark. Say he's never healthy if you're going to disparage Floyd, but don't say he's never taken advantage -- he's been fine the last couple of years... when he's on the field. That's the issue with him, he gets injured and those injuries seem to linger.
 
This is what intrigues me about this guy:

Chargers coach Norv Turner expects slot receiver Eddie Royal to handle some of the targets that went to running backs in 2011. More than a quarter of the Chargers' 2011 pass attempts were directed at a tailback, which was the second-highest mark in the league (Saints). With Mike Tolbert gone, Turner expects Royal to take on "a lot" of those catches. "We haven't had that guy," said Turner. "Eddie's really been impressive as the guy who runs the option routes, runs the seams, runs the post -- some higher percentage stuff." Royal may see plenty of snaps in the slot, but with Mathews, Robert Meachem, Malcom Floyd, Vincent Brown, and Antonio Gates competing for targets, his fantasy upside is limited.
If Rivers falls in love with this guy, PPR-money.
caution here.Rivers loves the deep ball, he has never been an underneath dink-dunk QB. When he does goes underneath its to Gates and/or the RBs.
 
I pretty well agree with this, but I'd switch Vincent Brown with Malcolm Floyd. Floyd's had the opportunity to become the WR1 on the team for a couple years now with Vincent Jackson being injured or holding out, but he's never taken advantage of it. As someone who'll be 31 years old by the time the season starts and as someone who's yet to have 50 receptions in a season yet in his career, I think the chance that he breaks out this year is minimal at best.
You mean the Malcolm Floyd who averaged 71+ yds a game last year in the games he played. Missed 4 games, but was on pace for an 1140 yd season. Or the Malcolm Floyd that averaged 65+ yds a game in 2010 (missed 5 games, on pace for 1000+ yds). He scored 5 TDs last year and 6 in 2010 (starting 9 games both years). For starting one more game than half a season those are decent numbers and not much off VJax's mark. Say he's never healthy if you're going to disparage Floyd, but don't say he's never taken advantage -- he's been fine the last couple of years... when he's on the field. That's the issue with him, he gets injured and those injuries seem to linger.
Thanks for that, I didn't notice he missed so many games over the last couple years. Looking more closely at his stats over the last couple years though, I'm curious how many snaps he was getting in these games and whether his injuries caused him to be limited in the games he did play in, as Floyd had 3 or less receptions in over 60% of the games he's played in over the past 2 years.
 
I pretty well agree with this, but I'd switch Vincent Brown with Malcolm Floyd. Floyd's had the opportunity to become the WR1 on the team for a couple years now with Vincent Jackson being injured or holding out, but he's never taken advantage of it. As someone who'll be 31 years old by the time the season starts and as someone who's yet to have 50 receptions in a season yet in his career, I think the chance that he breaks out this year is minimal at best.
You mean the Malcolm Floyd who averaged 71+ yds a game last year in the games he played. Missed 4 games, but was on pace for an 1140 yd season. Or the Malcolm Floyd that averaged 65+ yds a game in 2010 (missed 5 games, on pace for 1000+ yds). He scored 5 TDs last year and 6 in 2010 (starting 9 games both years). For starting one more game than half a season those are decent numbers and not much off VJax's mark. Say he's never healthy if you're going to disparage Floyd, but don't say he's never taken advantage -- he's been fine the last couple of years... when he's on the field. That's the issue with him, he gets injured and those injuries seem to linger.
Who sees the teams #1 Corner? Floyd or Meachem?
 
I pretty well agree with this, but I'd switch Vincent Brown with Malcolm Floyd. Floyd's had the opportunity to become the WR1 on the team for a couple years now with Vincent Jackson being injured or holding out, but he's never taken advantage of it. As someone who'll be 31 years old by the time the season starts and as someone who's yet to have 50 receptions in a season yet in his career, I think the chance that he breaks out this year is minimal at best.
You mean the Malcolm Floyd who averaged 71+ yds a game last year in the games he played. Missed 4 games, but was on pace for an 1140 yd season. Or the Malcolm Floyd that averaged 65+ yds a game in 2010 (missed 5 games, on pace for 1000+ yds). He scored 5 TDs last year and 6 in 2010 (starting 9 games both years). For starting one more game than half a season those are decent numbers and not much off VJax's mark. Say he's never healthy if you're going to disparage Floyd, but don't say he's never taken advantage -- he's been fine the last couple of years... when he's on the field. That's the issue with him, he gets injured and those injuries seem to linger.
Who sees the teams #1 Corner? Floyd or Meachem?
Good question, and I don't know the answer to that. Will be interesting to see - I'm pretty excited to see how Meachem/Floyd work out.
 
Yeah, SD offered a higher contract that included a guaranteed $6 mil over 3 years. My thought was that if Shanahan thought he was a difference maker why the low ball offer when he was overpaying for Garcon & Morgan? Just not sure his play can be attributed to misuse.
he only had royal for his rookie year before leaving the team. following his departure, mcdaniels was hired and cutler traded. orton was named the starter and marshall demanded a trade shortly afterwards. in short, it was a team in total disarray and mcdaniels is largely to blame. he bounced back the following year with a credible performance (60/600/3) before tebow took over.now that he's in SD, i think he has the opportunity to return to form. now, that form is as likely the #3 WR but he's very capable. he has some upside and should get a chance to deliver on it.
 
If royal is really thought of as the 5th best, I'd trade for him in a heartbeat. In situations like this I like to pay less for a guy that could outperform his price than try to pay a lot to maybe get the #1.

 
'Time Kibitzer said:
Floyd had 3 or less receptions in over 60% of the games he's played in over the past 2 years.
Vincent Jackson had 3 or less receptions in over 64% of his games this past year and if you listen to a lot of people in the Shark Pool he deserved $12mil/season based on that.Over the past two years both Jackson and Floyd have averaged ~10fpt/game. Yet most of the FBG staff project Floyd to play in 14-16 games this year and his production to be the same as he produced in 11-12 games the past two years. It's kind of odd. I GUESS they think Meacham/Royal are going to cut into his production a great deal more than Jackson/Tolbert did? I don't really understand it.
 
'tombonneau said:
Thanks for getting this discussion going while I was busy working, guys. ;)Good info here. I had forgotten about Royal. All this discussion really makes me think Gates might be this year's value play at TE with a ppr ADP of 54 at TE5. I think outside of Gronk & Graham he has the best shot at TE1 this year.
So, outside of Romney and Obama, who do you think has the best shot at winning the election this year? ;)
 
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Rivers loves the deep ball, he has never been an underneath dink-dunk QB. When he does goes underneath its to Gates and/or the RBs.
The chargers are definitely a vertical passing attack, but rivers uses the underneath stuff, too. He just throws a lot of that to the rb and te. But guys like floyd and jackson didn't get huge target or reception numbers. Most of those passes go underneath. If royal can be a legit slot receiver, then I think he gets added to that mix. I don't think the chargers take mathews off the field much, and they don't seem to be a fullback or two te offense, which means a lot of 3wr sets this year with meachem and floyd taking the vertical looks and royal taking the underneath with gates and mathews. If that's their base formation, then what percentage of the underneath stuff will royal get? And can royal be involved in the vertical/play action game from the slot? I think he has a ceiling around 80 catches/900 yards, maybe a little higher if/when floyd and meachem get hurt. Not great, but not bad for his adp.
 
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Rivers loves the deep ball, he has never been an underneath dink-dunk QB. When he does goes underneath its to Gates and/or the RBs.
The chargers are definitely a vertical passing attack, but rivers uses the underneath stuff, too. He just throws a lot of that to the rb and te. But guys like floyd and jackson didn't get huge target or reception numbers. Most of those passes go underneath. If royal can be a legit slot receiver, then I think he gets added to that mix. I don't think the chargers take mathews off the field much, and they don't seem to be a fullback or two te offense, which means a lot of 3wr sets this year with meachem and floyd taking the vertical looks and royal taking the underneath with gates and mathews. If that's their base formation, then what percentage of the underneath stuff will royal get? And can royal be involved in the vertical/play action game from the slot? I think he has a ceiling around 80 catches/900 yards, maybe a little higher if/when floyd and meachem get hurt. Not great, but not bad for his adp.
You seem to be ignoring Vincent Brown. Is that intentional? I expect Royal to be behind all of Gates, Mathews, Meachem, Floyd, and Brown in targets, barring injuries. Which is to say, nowhere near 80 catches.
 
I think Gates is still the number 1 option and i would say Brown leads the WR's in catches and yards and Floyd would lead the team in TD's.

 
The fact that there are such varying opinions reinforces that you should probably avoid the San Diego receivers. I don't even feel good about Gates, despite recent claims of him being 100% healthy. Another season of him being a game-time decision most weeks seems likely. For dynasty I'd take Brown, since you can get him after Meachem in drafts and Floyd is getting old and battles injuries. For redraft I'm not touching any of them.

 
I think everyone knows exactly what the Chargers have in every single one of these pass catchers, except for Brown. For redraft, at their current ADP, I like Floyd.

For dynasty, I am all in on Brown.

 
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Rivers loves the deep ball, he has never been an underneath dink-dunk QB. When he does goes underneath its to Gates and/or the RBs.
The chargers are definitely a vertical passing attack, but rivers uses the underneath stuff, too. He just throws a lot of that to the rb and te. But guys like floyd and jackson didn't get huge target or reception numbers. Most of those passes go underneath. If royal can be a legit slot receiver, then I think he gets added to that mix. I don't think the chargers take mathews off the field much, and they don't seem to be a fullback or two te offense, which means a lot of 3wr sets this year with meachem and floyd taking the vertical looks and royal taking the underneath with gates and mathews. If that's their base formation, then what percentage of the underneath stuff will royal get? And can royal be involved in the vertical/play action game from the slot? I think he has a ceiling around 80 catches/900 yards, maybe a little higher if/when floyd and meachem get hurt. Not great, but not bad for his adp.
You seem to be ignoring Vincent Brown. Is that intentional? I expect Royal to be behind all of Gates, Mathews, Meachem, Floyd, and Brown in targets, barring injuries. Which is to say, nowhere near 80 catches.
If they thought so highly of V.Brown, why did they make all these moves at WR? Royal seems like a luxury if they were that high on Brown. I agree with you that royal will be like 5th at best in targets.
 
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I decided to look a bit deeper at how Gates, Jackson, and Floyd were targeted when all were healthy. Unfortunately, it's hard to find a lot of meaningful data. Floyd really didn't emerge until halfway through 2009, after Chambers was traded, and missed some partial games due to injury. Jackson had the holdout in 2010 and came back late in the season but not necessarily at his normal performance level. Gates played a lot of games hurt and missed some partial games. That said, here is how they were targeted in games all three played:

2009: All three played in 9 games (weeks 9-16 and 19) after Floyd became a starter. Their performance in those games:

Gates 69 targets, 49/715/5

Jackson 59 targets, 38/614/4

Floyd 47 targets, 28/415/0

2010: Technically, they were all active in week 12, but it was Jackson's first game back and he had 0 targets, then he missed the following game. So there was no real sample in 2010.

2011: All three played in 9 games (weeks 1-2, 7-8, 13-17). Their performance in those games:

Gates 57 targets, 41/516/4

Jackson 66 targets, 32/548/4

Floyd 55 targets, 36/702/4

Total over 18 games:

Gates 126 targets, 90/1231/9

Jackson 125 targets, 70/1162/8

Floyd 102 targets, 64/1117/4

Scaling that to 16 games yields the following:

Gates 112 targets, 80/1094/8

Jackson 111 targets, 62/1033/7

Floyd 91 targets, 57/993/4

Jackson and Gates were very close, with a clear gap between them and Floyd.

With the addition of Meachem (and Royal), Gates' role should be unchanged. It is obviously a matter of some debate as to how the WR roles will be different from the past. IMO the Chargers signed Meachem to replace Jackson and be their WR1, and I think it's clear Floyd will be the WR2. I think Brown will be the WR3 and Royal will not be a significant factor, but I know others disagree with that. Regardless, there won't be many targets to go around after the TEs (mostly Gates), RBs (mostly Mathews), WR1 (Meachem), and WR2 (Floyd). The WR3 (and thus obviously the WR4 and WR5) has held very little fantasy value for the Chargers over the years. Consider a couple previous posts:

San Diego's #2 WR has not traditionally had much fantasy value. They throw a lot to the RBs and TEs, and Rivers spreads the ball around between the #2/3/4 WRs.

Here are the number of targets for the second most targeted Chargers WR by season since Norv arrived:

2011 - 70 (Floyd)

2010 - 46 (Naanee)

2009 - 91 (Chambers)

2008 - 64 (Chambers)

2007 - 63 (Chambers)

It's pretty tough to have fantasy value with target numbers like that.
The offense is designed to throw a lot to the TEs and RBs. Since Norv arrived, the Chargers are last in the NFL in WR targets, and by a fair margin. They targeted their WRs 1215 times over those 5 seasons; the next lowest was Oakland with 1263, the median was 1561, and the leader was Arizona with 2074. Those are huge discrepancies.

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IMO it is likely the offense will continue to throw a lot to the TEs and RBs. If they need a new TE to do that, I suspect they'll get one.
There are mitigating circumstances for those WR2 numbers (missed games, Chambers midseason trades), but the biggest factor IMO is how much the Chargers target the RBs and TEs, as shown by the other post. Even if they can sustain two useful WRs in addition to Gates, it seems really unlikely that Brown and/or Royal -- the WR3 and WR4 -- can be much of a factor, barring injury or a radical shift in the offensive philosophy.So... all that to figure out how to project Meachem and Floyd. I'm inclined to project them very close, something like this:

Meachem: 65/1050/8

Floyd: 60/975/4

There is definite upside above these numbers if any of Gates or Mathews gets hurt. And upside for Meachem if Floyd gets hurt, and vice versa.

Meachem clearly seems like the play here IMO, for a few reasons. First, he is a good red zone target despite not being targeted frequently in the red zone in New Orleans (I posted the data in the other Meachem thread). Meanwhile, he also scored a lot of TDs from outside the red zone. And all of the other primary San Diego targets (Gates, Floyd, and Mathews) have had some difficulty staying healthy and on the field.

That said, Floyd may also be a nice upside play given his likely low price.

I don't think any other San Diego WRs will have useful value unless there are injuries, maybe multiple injuries.

 
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2009: All three played in 9 games (weeks 9-16 and 19) after Floyd became a starter. Their performance in those games:

Gates 69 targets, 49/715/5

Jackson 59 targets, 38/614/4

Floyd 47 targets, 28/415/0

2010: Technically, they were all active in week 12, but it was Jackson's first game back and he had 0 targets, then he missed the following game. So there was no real sample in 2010.

2011: All three played in 9 games (weeks 1-2, 7-8, 13-17). Their performance in those games:

Gates 57 targets, 41/516/4

Jackson 66 targets, 32/548/4

Floyd 55 targets, 36/702/4

Total over 18 games:

Gates 126 targets, 90/1231/9

Jackson 125 targets, 70/1162/8

Floyd 102 targets, 64/1117/4

Scaling that to 16 games yields the following:

Gates 112 targets, 80/1094/8

Jackson 111 targets, 62/1033/7

Floyd 91 targets, 57/993/4

Jackson and Gates were very close, with a clear gap between them and Floyd.
That gap is based almost entirely on what happened in 2009. I'm sorry, but what happened in 2011 is much, much more relevant than what happened in 2009 in my view. I appreciate the work you put into it, I just come away with a completely different picture looking at the exact same data.
 
2009: All three played in 9 games (weeks 9-16 and 19) after Floyd became a starter. Their performance in those games:

Gates 69 targets, 49/715/5

Jackson 59 targets, 38/614/4

Floyd 47 targets, 28/415/0

2010: Technically, they were all active in week 12, but it was Jackson's first game back and he had 0 targets, then he missed the following game. So there was no real sample in 2010.

2011: All three played in 9 games (weeks 1-2, 7-8, 13-17). Their performance in those games:

Gates 57 targets, 41/516/4

Jackson 66 targets, 32/548/4

Floyd 55 targets, 36/702/4

Total over 18 games:

Gates 126 targets, 90/1231/9

Jackson 125 targets, 70/1162/8

Floyd 102 targets, 64/1117/4

Scaling that to 16 games yields the following:

Gates 112 targets, 80/1094/8

Jackson 111 targets, 62/1033/7

Floyd 91 targets, 57/993/4

Jackson and Gates were very close, with a clear gap between them and Floyd.
That gap is based almost entirely on what happened in 2009. I'm sorry, but what happened in 2011 is much, much more relevant than what happened in 2009 in my view. I appreciate the work you put into it, I just come away with a completely different picture looking at the exact same data.
I'm not sure exactly what part you are referring to as the "different picture." I assume you may be referring to the role of Floyd.But Gates played hurt in those 2011 games and was the least productive of the trio. Now he is supposedly healthy. There is no way to know definitively how much of Floyd's improvement in the small sample for 2011 over the small sample for 2009 was due to the health of Gates as opposed to his own improvement. Furthermore, focusing on just the 2011 sample limits the sample to just 9 games.

Beyond that, the contract situations contribute to an expectation of Meachem to be higher than Floyd in the pecking order. Last offseason, the Chargers re-signed Floyd, and they gave him just a 2 year deal for $5M. He will be a free agent after this season and will turn 32 just before the start of the 2013 season. This offseason, the Chargers let Jackson walk and signed Meachem to 4 year deal for $25.9 million, including $14M guaranteed. Meachem is 3 years younger than Floyd. Norv Turner has made multiple positive comments about Meachem since the signing, and the San Diego beat writers are projecting him to have a career breakout season.

None of that is definitive proof. But I think the Chargers view Floyd as a solid WR2. I could see them signing him to another short/small deal after this year, but I could just as easily see them letting him walk in favor of moving Brown into the WR2 role.

It's not like I'm projecting Floyd for a poor season... I'm projecting him for career highs in receptions and receiving yards.

 
I think there is huge sleeper potential here for Vincent brown. Does anyone remember the Thursday night football game against the Raiders? Brown was absolutely dominant. If gates just can't be gates, that offense lacks a true number one option. Meachem has never particularly impressed me a receiver or a route runner. Floyd clearly isn't made of WR1 stuff. Vincent brown is someone to keep your eye on.

 

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