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Who is your MUST HAVE player in the back half of redrafts this year? (1 Viewer)

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At their current ADP who is the one guy you are going to draft and why?

For me it is Devonta Freeman. Sjax is on the decline and I dont expect him to be healthy all year. Quizz is just a guy granted he did play better last year than in his previous years. Even though i feel he is just about avg in most categories, he is good at pass pro. If/when sjax goes down, Freeman can step right in and be a good flex with rb2 upside. The only concern i see is the oline which should improve with the additions they made and if they can stay healthy.

Who you got?

 
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As far as last pick of the draft, Andrew Hawkins. Look at the money he got. Cleveland has no other player like him. Might be the most explosive on the offense with Gordon out. Looks especially good in PPR leagues IMO

 
Emmanuel Sanders

He failed to produce with his first opportunity, like many others. I still like Sanders despite under performing with the Steelers. For what it's worth, coach speak backs me up as Manning and the Broncos have high expectations.

I hope/expect a change of scenery will do Sanders well, and what better scenery than Denver?

 
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Kyle Rudolph and Greg Olsen. I think both of them are going to explode this year like Thomas and Cameron did last season.

 
Khy said:
Kyle Rudolph and Greg Olsen. I think both of them are going to explode this year like Thomas and Cameron did last season.
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Haven't people been saying that for about three years now? I mean, at a certain point, you just have to believe its the player, and not the scheme, that is holding them back.

 
Caesar said:
Khy said:
Kyle Rudolph and Greg Olsen. I think both of them are going to explode this year like Thomas and Cameron did last season.
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Haven't people been saying that for about three years now? I mean, at a certain point, you just have to believe its the player, and not the scheme, that is holding them back.
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Olsen has done pretty well the last 2 years on less than 110 targets. Given Carolina's lack of receiving options, one can reasonably expect a hefty increase in targets next year.

 
My guy seems to be Khiry Robinson. I have drafted him in 2 dynasty start ups this year in round 12 or later, I was also in a few of those MFL zeros and have him in 3 or 4 of those leagues too.

 
cloppbeast said:
Caesar said:
Khy said:
Kyle Rudolph and Greg Olsen. I think both of them are going to explode this year like Thomas and Cameron did last season.
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Haven't people been saying that for about three years now? I mean, at a certain point, you just have to believe its the player, and not the scheme, that is holding them back.
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Olsen has done pretty well the last 2 years on less than 110 targets. Given Carolina's lack of receiving options, one can reasonably expect a hefty increase in targets next year.
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Exactly. And as for Rudolph he was hurt most of last season. And now he has Norv Turner. Also know as the guy who crafted Antonio Gates and Jordan Cameron. People who don't believe in scheme and coaching changes are the same people who told me last year on these forums that I'd be crazy take Charles at 1.01 simply cause of Andy Reid. That Charles had never eclipsed 10 TDs in his career and it was crazy to think a back built like him could do it. Look how that turned out. I put a ton of stock in scheme and it typically pans out.
 
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Khy said:
cloppbeast said:
Caesar said:
Khy said:
Kyle Rudolph and Greg Olsen. I think both of them are going to explode this year like Thomas and Cameron did last season.
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Haven't people been saying that for about three years now? I mean, at a certain point, you just have to believe its the player, and not the scheme, that is holding them back.
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Olsen has done pretty well the last 2 years on less than 110 targets. Given Carolina's lack of receiving options, one can reasonably expect a hefty increase in targets next year.
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Exactly. And as for Rudolph he was hurt most of last season. And now he has Norv Turner. Also know as the guy who crafted Antonio Gates and Jordan Cameron. People who don't believe in scheme and coaching changes are the same people who told me last year on these forums that I'd be crazy take Charles at 1.01 simply cause of Andy Reid. That Charles had never eclipsed 10 TDs in his career and it was crazy to think a back built like him could do it. Look how that turned out. I put a ton of stock in scheme and it typically pans out.
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It's a common perception that Norv made Gates but it's also a wrong one. Gates blew up before Norv arrived and actually, the arrival of Norv hurt Gates' production. Norv, more than anything, is a WR guy. He likes deep routes thrown to WRs. Norv seems to start out using the TE but then appears to abandon that strategy as the season progresses. As a Gates guy back in the day, I became extremely frustrated with Norv's playcalling with each season. Norv seemed to utilize Gates les and less. I haven't looked at the stats in awhile, but I believe Gates' stats declined each season with Norv. We'll see how Rudolph pans out this season. He can't produce much less, so there is room for optimism but the notion that Norv is some sort of TE guru who makes the most of that position is somewhat overblown.

 
Kenny Britt, considering his completion for targets, he should easily ascend to their WR1 if he stays on the field.

Andre Williams, I think he will become the starter at some point in 2014.

Miles Austin, see Kenny Britt.

Bryce Brown, Fred Jackson has to slow down at some point and apparently Spiller isn't capable of carrying the load.

Rod Streater, seemed to be the most reliable Oakland WR last year.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Khy said:
cloppbeast said:
Caesar said:
Khy said:
Kyle Rudolph and Greg Olsen. I think both of them are going to explode this year like Thomas and Cameron did last season.
Click to expand...
Haven't people been saying that for about three years now? I mean, at a certain point, you just have to believe its the player, and not the scheme, that is holding them back.
Click to expand...
Olsen has done pretty well the last 2 years on less than 110 targets. Given Carolina's lack of receiving options, one can reasonably expect a hefty increase in targets next year.
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Exactly. And as for Rudolph he was hurt most of last season. And now he has Norv Turner. Also know as the guy who crafted Antonio Gates and Jordan Cameron. People who don't believe in scheme and coaching changes are the same people who told me last year on these forums that I'd be crazy take Charles at 1.01 simply cause of Andy Reid. That Charles had never eclipsed 10 TDs in his career and it was crazy to think a back built like him could do it. Look how that turned out. I put a ton of stock in scheme and it typically pans out.
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It's a common perception that Norv made Gates but it's also a wrong one. Gates blew up before Norv arrived and actually, the arrival of Norv hurt Gates' production. Norv, more than anything, is a WR guy. He likes deep routes thrown to WRs. Norv seems to start out using the TE but then appears to abandon that strategy as the season progresses. As a Gates guy back in the day, I became extremely frustrated with Norv's playcalling with each season. Norv seemed to utilize Gates les and less. I haven't looked at the stats in awhile, but I believe Gates' stats declined each season with Norv.We'll see how Rudolph pans out this season. He can't produce much less, so there is room for optimism but the notion that Norv is some sort of TE guru who makes the most of that position is somewhat overblown.
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Sure, valid point Norv didn't create Gates. That said, I wouldn't say Gates production dipped that much. Even after Norv's arrival he was still a 65 reception 8+ TD guy. Obviously, since 2010 Gates struggled with many an injury and really hasn't been at full power since then. But his 2007, 08, 09 seasons still would've been top 5 level production this past season. Put it this way... we know that Rudolph has the talent to explode. His 2012 season showed us that when he caught 53 passes and 9 TDs. And we know that Norv does love to implement the TE into the passing game. So all those things add up to a good recipe to me if Rudolph is healthy this season.

 
I agree with the Nicks pick. He has an ADP in the early 100's right now which would put it around round 9 for a 12 team league. That's likely your WR4 and I would love for that to happen.

I think Justin Hunter is another name to have late. He might not break out like Alshon, but with Whisenhunt coming in, he is poised to put up decent numbers. He also added 15 pounds of muscle so he's not as lean as last year.

In PPR leagues, Andrew Hawkins as mentioned, Brandin Cooks, and Tavon Austin are going way late right now as well.

 
Khy said:
Rhythmdoctor said:
Khy said:
cloppbeast said:
Caesar said:
Khy said:
Kyle Rudolph and Greg Olsen. I think both of them are going to explode this year like Thomas and Cameron did last season.
Click to expand...
Haven't people been saying that for about three years now? I mean, at a certain point, you just have to believe its the player, and not the scheme, that is holding them back.
Click to expand...
Olsen has done pretty well the last 2 years on less than 110 targets. Given Carolina's lack of receiving options, one can reasonably expect a hefty increase in targets next year.
Click to expand...
Exactly. And as for Rudolph he was hurt most of last season. And now he has Norv Turner. Also know as the guy who crafted Antonio Gates and Jordan Cameron. People who don't believe in scheme and coaching changes are the same people who told me last year on these forums that I'd be crazy take Charles at 1.01 simply cause of Andy Reid. That Charles had never eclipsed 10 TDs in his career and it was crazy to think a back built like him could do it. Look how that turned out. I put a ton of stock in scheme and it typically pans out.
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It's a common perception that Norv made Gates but it's also a wrong one. Gates blew up before Norv arrived and actually, the arrival of Norv hurt Gates' production. Norv, more than anything, is a WR guy. He likes deep routes thrown to WRs. Norv seems to start out using the TE but then appears to abandon that strategy as the season progresses. As a Gates guy back in the day, I became extremely frustrated with Norv's playcalling with each season. Norv seemed to utilize Gates les and less. I haven't looked at the stats in awhile, but I believe Gates' stats declined each season with Norv.We'll see how Rudolph pans out this season. He can't produce much less, so there is room for optimism but the notion that Norv is some sort of TE guru who makes the most of that position is somewhat overblown.
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Sure, valid point Norv didn't create Gates. That said, I wouldn't say Gates production dipped that much. Even after Norv's arrival he was still a 65 reception 8+ TD guy. Obviously, since 2010 Gates struggled with many an injury and really hasn't been at full power since then. But his 2007, 08, 09 seasons still would've been top 5 level production this past season. Put it this way... we know that Rudolph has the talent to explode. His 2012 season showed us that when he caught 53 passes and 9 TDs. And we know that Norv does love to implement the TE into the passing game. So all those things add up to a good recipe to me if Rudolph is healthy this season.
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Don't forget that Norv was the offensive coordinator for the Cowboys during the early 90's. I seem to remember a TE named Novacek that did pretty well and did it consistently.

 
Cooks- probably will fall the furthest of the Watkins, Evans, types but could be the best bet for ROY.

 
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I wouldn't say "must haves" by any means, but I'm gonna take a hard look at the Raiders' "skill" positions during the preseason.

Whoever wins the DMC/MJD battle might be available in a later round, and Schaub or any of the WR's (J. Jones, Streater, D. Moore) can be had for pennies.

All of those guys are either proven or have shown flashes so you never know someone could emerge, especially if Schaub finds a go-to WR early on.

 
I don't really do must haves but I do have targets I know I value a great deal more than most drafters. I'd say this years will be Arz players. I can't believe I'm saying this. Yes Arz.... Most improved oline in football IMO and it will make a huge difference.

 
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It depends on where his ADP settles, but there's a good chance I'll grab Gerhart in my redraft league. Think he will have a nice ppg almost by default.

I'll be looking pretty hard at Justin Hunter as my late-ish round upside WR. Think he has a chance to pull a Gordon/Floyd.

 
Harry Douglas is intriguing with the Falcons looking to spread things out and with them looking to punt the TE position. Solid pick right at the end of drafts

 
EBF said:
It depends on where his ADP settles, but there's a good chance I'll grab Gerhart in my redraft league. Think he will have a nice ppg almost by default.

I'll be looking pretty hard at Justin Hunter as my late-ish round upside WR. Think he has a chance to pull a Gordon/Floyd.
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Toby went in the 4th in the mock draft I'm in the middle of currently, doubt he'll be there late when real drafts roll around.

 
I will take Schaub as my last pick as a QB 2. Cut him for the WW darling if he sucks, but I do believe Houston was a dumpster fire last year and he looked seriously frustrated with the play calling. If they really give him more freedom at the LOS I think he could have a decent season.

 
mr roboto said:
I will take Schaub as my last pick as a QB 2. Cut him for the WW darling if he sucks, but I do believe Houston was a dumpster fire last year and he looked seriously frustrated with the play calling. If they really give him more freedom at the LOS I think he could have a decent season.
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More freedom=more interceptions?

 
Azhais said:
EBF said:
It depends on where his ADP settles, but there's a good chance I'll grab Gerhart in my redraft league. Think he will have a nice ppg almost by default.

I'll be looking pretty hard at Justin Hunter as my late-ish round upside WR. Think he has a chance to pull a Gordon/Floyd.
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Toby went in the 4th in the mock draft I'm in the middle of currently, doubt he'll be there late when real drafts roll around.
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Well, that's pretty high. A little higher than I would've guessed. I would take him at a mid-RB2 price. If his ADP is higher than that then I'll likely pass.

 
domvin said:
mr roboto said:
I will take Schaub as my last pick as a QB 2. Cut him for the WW darling if he sucks, but I do believe Houston was a dumpster fire last year and he looked seriously frustrated with the play calling. If they really give him more freedom at the LOS I think he could have a decent season.
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More freedom=more interceptions?
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This is the thinking that allows me to get him cheap. I think the INTs were an anomaly and partly due to VERY predictable play calling.
 
Jedi Knight said:
Khy said:
Rhythmdoctor said:
Khy said:
cloppbeast said:
Caesar said:
Khy said:
Kyle Rudolph and Greg Olsen. I think both of them are going to explode this year like Thomas and Cameron did last season.
Click to expand...
Haven't people been saying that for about three years now? I mean, at a certain point, you just have to believe its the player, and not the scheme, that is holding them back.
Click to expand...
Olsen has done pretty well the last 2 years on less than 110 targets. Given Carolina's lack of receiving options, one can reasonably expect a hefty increase in targets next year.
Click to expand...
Exactly. And as for Rudolph he was hurt most of last season. And now he has Norv Turner. Also know as the guy who crafted Antonio Gates and Jordan Cameron. People who don't believe in scheme and coaching changes are the same people who told me last year on these forums that I'd be crazy take Charles at 1.01 simply cause of Andy Reid. That Charles had never eclipsed 10 TDs in his career and it was crazy to think a back built like him could do it. Look how that turned out. I put a ton of stock in scheme and it typically pans out.
Click to expand...
It's a common perception that Norv made Gates but it's also a wrong one. Gates blew up before Norv arrived and actually, the arrival of Norv hurt Gates' production. Norv, more than anything, is a WR guy. He likes deep routes thrown to WRs. Norv seems to start out using the TE but then appears to abandon that strategy as the season progresses. As a Gates guy back in the day, I became extremely frustrated with Norv's playcalling with each season. Norv seemed to utilize Gates les and less. I haven't looked at the stats in awhile, but I believe Gates' stats declined each season with Norv.We'll see how Rudolph pans out this season. He can't produce much less, so there is room for optimism but the notion that Norv is some sort of TE guru who makes the most of that position is somewhat overblown.
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Sure, valid point Norv didn't create Gates. That said, I wouldn't say Gates production dipped that much. Even after Norv's arrival he was still a 65 reception 8+ TD guy. Obviously, since 2010 Gates struggled with many an injury and really hasn't been at full power since then. But his 2007, 08, 09 seasons still would've been top 5 level production this past season. Put it this way... we know that Rudolph has the talent to explode. His 2012 season showed us that when he caught 53 passes and 9 TDs. And we know that Norv does love to implement the TE into the passing game. So all those things add up to a good recipe to me if Rudolph is healthy this season.
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Don't forget that Norv was the offensive coordinator for the Cowboys during the early 90's. I seem to remember a TE named Novacek that did pretty well and did it consistently.
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Novacek finished as the TE 4 TE 2 and TE 14 in the seasons that Norv was his OC.

In Washington a TE never really emerged so Norv compensated by using Larry Centers/Brian Mitchell in the passing game a lot.

I think there is good reason to be optimistic about Rudolph in Norv's system.

As for the topic I will echo the thoughts on drafting Ryan/Rivers later on in the draft and I will add Carson Palmer to that list. There are enough quality QB like this who can be had later in the draft without giving up too much ground to the rest of the field.

 
Eli, Carson Palmer,

Andre Williams, Tre Mason, Donald Brown, Gerhart , Moreno

Harry Douglas, Odell Beckham Jr, Nicks

I think Moreno is going to thrive in Miami, and he'll be there through the middle rounds..

Mason might shove Stacy aside and claim the #1 spot by midseason. Langsdorf and McAdoo coaching Eli might mean great things in 2014.No one in their right mind would pick him after the disasterous 2013 campaign..bargain bin hunting..

Rashad Jennings is decent, but gets banged up from time to time, and Williams might turn out to be a better RB anyways. At the very least, Williams is set to be a TD-stealing vulture..

Harry Douglas should be a s-t-u-d.

Texans Defense..

 
Is anyone else intrigued by Levine Toilolo? I was pretty impressed by what little I saw of him last year. There is obviously a large hole at TE left open, and Julio's return and other things should get the Atl offense back on track.

 
not sure what back half really means but it sounds like we are basically asking what guys could outperform their current ADP's....although many of the guys mentioned will see their ADP's increase (some dramatically) between now and start of season....so now they may be in the back half but will end up being in the front half....

anywho.....I'll go with

Michael Vick

Khiry Robinson

Terrance Williams

Travis Kelce

Matt Bryant

DEN DST

Vick...sorry he's just better than Geno

Robinson....has quicks, power, Sproles gone, Ingram is not very good, Thomas still a concern though

Williams...sometimes when things look like they are set up perfectly....they are

Kelce...as a KC fan who watched every game....Smith likes him some TE....he made a guy like Sean McGrath look decent

Bryant....should reap some benefits of ATL turning it around after a tough year

DEN DST....Talib, TJ Ward, Ware, combined with what they already have....sign me up

 
ImTheScientist said:
Seahawks ST/D
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Not surprised in the least that you posted this, but I can guarantee that this defense will be drafted in the top half of every league I am in. What will surprise me is if they fall out of the top half.....but that's not going to happen.

Players I'm keeping an eye on for late selection, not necessarily "must have" though:

Dwayne Allen, TE, IND

Chris Polk, RB, PHI

Mike Brown, WR, JAC

eta:

Andrew Hawkins, WR, CLE

 
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I'll see if Kelvin Benjamin is there after round 9...also Tavarres King in the last round. I'm a Carolina fan so I always use a late pick on 1 player.

 
Not sure how much they will fall so not necessarily 2nd half of drafts, but I expect to get someone like Roddy White in the 5th round or so and that will be a steal in PPR leagues. With Gonzo gone, Roddy being healthy again and with a bad D, which means the team will be passing a lot, you have to love Roddy.

 
I'll try to throw out some names that haven't already been mentioned:

QB: Chad Henne (last-round special) - The Jags will be forced to throw the ball a fair amount in 2014, even if most of that is in garbage time. The Jags collected skill-position players in FA and the draft like they were building their own fantasy team. The Jags' 1st-round pick is widely regarded as a project QB whom even their own front office hopes doesn't have to start year 1. Riddle me this: why is the Jags' presumptive starting QB going nearly undrafted? At today's ADPs, you can pick up Rivers or Cutler in the 9th, add Henne in, oh, the 18th, and be broadly competitive at the position against owners who drop a 3rd and a 10th.

RB: Jeremy Hill - Steps in as a bruiser and a possible GL back for an OC whose philosophy will be run it, then run it, then run it some more. Ought to take him about 27 seconds to beat out BJGE in camp. Unlike most backs going around his ADP (RB50 or so), Hill doesn't need to count on injury / ineffectiveness; he could put up RB3-type numbers even with a completely healthy Gio in the mix.

WR:

Aaron Dobson - There is a 0% chance that Julian Edelman gets 175 targets again this season, and Amendola isn't getting any younger (or more durable). Classic case of (IMO) a middling talent who can make the most of a great situation in NE and if so will outperform his ADP by 3-4 rounds.

Jerricho Cotchery - Kelvin Benjamin has "bust" written all over him IMO, but even if he isn't the next Stephen Hill, I don't expect miracles to happen right out of the gate. Cotchery (ADP of around #200) should make a strong play to lead the team in receptions - on the one hand, being a team's leading WR does not a fantasy stud make (says the 2013 Jeremy Kerley owner), but on the other hand, Cam Newton >>>>> Geno Smith.

TE: Travis Kelce - Sorry, can't help but add to the echo chamber here. Microfracture surgery is tricky, but we should know one way or another whether he's back to 100% by August. Besides the benefit of Alex Smith needing a safety blanket, he's also working under one of the TE-friendliest systems around (under Andy Reid, a.k.a. "the guy who made Brent Celek fantasy-relevant"). This seems like it could be a great year to punt on TE and scoop up two or three young guys like Kelce / L. Green / Clay / Eifert in the TE15-20 range.

 
If Moreno is available in the fifth or later I think he will be a steal. Was the most underrated back in the NFL last year while holding off a very talented rookie. Needs to stay healthy as usual, but Miller will be a cheap handcuff.

I also think Jennings is a good guy to gran in rounds 10+

 
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