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Who led the NFL in dropped passes this season? (1 Viewer)
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
Welker?
You have to take number of targets into account. Drop ratio is really the only valid stat measuring drops.
You have to take number of targets into account. Drop ratio is really the only valid stat measuring drops.
G-Money
Footballguy
My guess as well
rocketsauce
Footballguy
I was correct, but I remember checking this around week 10 when Garcon was getting BLASTED only to find him down around 10 or 12, and tied with Reggie Wayne.
Wonder what the Garcon haters have to say about that link now.
Wonder what the Garcon haters have to say about that link now.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
First name that came to mind was Wayne. Pretty close.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Im surprised not only that 5 guys are ahead of Garcon, but that all 5 have made the pro bowl (I think, maybe Welker hasnt ever)
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Not a Garcon hater, but:Wayne has a lot more targets than Wayne, thus, Garcon does drop a lot more balls. Not only that, his catch rate is low too, especially for a WR playing with Manning. Some of that is because of the deep routes, but a lot of it is on Garcon.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
He only caught about 57% of passes thrown to him, which is one of the worst percentages in the league. Compare that to 63% for Wayne, 63% for Blair White, 70% for Clark, 72% for Tamme, and 80% for Collie (#1 in the NFL).
Concept Coop
Footballguy
The 5 guys are targeted more. Drops, alone, are a misleading stat.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I have not watched enough Colts games this year to be a Garcon hater or lover, but I don't see how a list ranking Garcon 6th in the NFL in drops while having fewer receptions than anyone above him is all that favorable for Garcon.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
thats a pretty sweet site.....some cool stuff in there....saw that Best ranked 3rd in YAC....was kind of surprised with the amount of time he missed....I know he broke off a couple of big ones but was still surprised to see him that high.....would love to see what he could do in a full year and healthy....think he will represent some value next year
theplayer11
Footballguy
meaningless without completions...what is their drop %s?
DoubleG
Footballguy
I'm not a hater - I just don't think Garcon is a good WR. But if you meant those who think Garcon was WAY overrated as an NFL WR, first we start with this:
Then we'd point to a stat page like THIS.For those that don't want to follow the link it's a stat sheet that has the NFL WRs that had at least 65 targets sorted by catch %. Garcon is 42nd out of 71. While that might not seem horrible (and some would even protest that Garcon is thrown the ball deep more often) it is actually worse when you look at deep pass %. There are only 5 WRs that have a worse catch % that have been thrown the ball deep the same % or less often than Garcon. In fact, if you sort the list by "Yards Per Target", the Garcon-lovers might be suprised to find him near the bottom of the list (12th from the bottom, to be exact). What that indicates to me (the low catch % combined with the relatively low YPT) is that he is not only a poor pass catcher, but poor at creating seperation on intermediate routes as well.
One might be tempted to blame the QB (Manning, who has had an "off" year - by his standards). Wayne, however, has a higher deep target %, a higher yards per target and has been targetted 176 times to Garcon's 118. Translation: despite having being targetted deep more often than Garcon, Wayne's catch % is still strongly higher. Also, as previously stated, Collie actually leads all NFL WRs in catch % - so it's not a function of Manning.
Now, if you're talking FF, 784 yards and 6 TDs is decent for a WR - but as far as actual NFL WRs go, Garcon simply isn't very good when compared to others playing the same position at the NFL level. Which is likely part of the reason Manning doesn't target him much - he's not open, when he is he drops the ball (he's still 6th on the drop list despite being targetted less than all other WRs above him) and there are at least two other WRs on the same team that are better at it than he is.
zamboni
Footballguy
Jets fans alike are not surprised that Cotchery ranks up there - it shows how bad of a year he had. Normally as sure-handed as they come, considering how much less involved he was in terms of targets vis-a-vis Holmes, Edwards and Keller, that drop number is brutal.
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
Code:
Player Drops Targets % DroppedFred Jackson 8 54 15%Aaron Hernandez 7 64 11%Wes Welker 13 123 11%Brent Celek 8 80 10%Devin Hester 7 73 10%Jerricho Cotchery 8 86 9%Brandon LaFell 7 77 9%Brandon Gibson 8 91 9%Miles Austin 10 119 8%Donald Driver 7 86 8%Steve Smith 8 99 8%Steve Breaston 7 87 8%Terrell Owens 11 139 8%Pierre Garcon 9 118 8%Brandon Marshall 11 145 8%Brandon Pettigrew 8 111 7%Dustin Keller 7 101 7%Michael Crabtree 7 101 7%Reggie Wayne 12 176 7%Danny Amendola 8 123 7%Tony Gonzalez 7 109 6%Chad Ochocinco 8 126 6%Stevie Johnson 8 142 6%Mike Williams 7 129 5%Andre Johnson 7 138 5%The appropriate way to measure is % drops per reception. Suprisingly, Welker (@15%) is still around 5th for the WRs on this list... who would have thunk? Cotchery (20%), Hester (18%), and TOcho (15/12%) confirmed what we already thought of them. SSmith (17%) and LaFell (18) can blame their QB(s)? As well known, FredJax (26%) sucks coming out of the backfield Any thoughts from PHI fans regarding Celek's (19%) apparent dropsy-itis?
Summer Wheat
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Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
AJ is the man!
Instinctive
Footballguy
Brandon Marshall?
ETA: damn...close
ETA: damn...close
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az_prof
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Catch percentage is the perfect stat for comparing guys in exactly the same role, with exactly the same QB.Otherwise, damn near useless.Catch % is a much more meaningful stat.
geoff8695
Footballguy
Great Post!Isn't it amazing how Peyton Manning's slot receivers continue to lead the league in catch % and how the slot receiving option in Indy doesn't seem to require the same 2-3 year learning curve that outside WR roles take to master?As I've stated elsewhere, time and time again... If you want to compare Peyton Manning's flanker to someone, it would have to be to Peyton Manning's former flanker. Comparing different roles in the offense, like the slot to the flanker is completely meaningless.Catch percentage is the perfect stat for comparing guys in exactly the same role, with exactly the same QB.Otherwise, damn near useless.Catch % is a much more meaningful stat.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Garcon missed 2 games early in the season, and Collie started in his place. In those games, while playing Garcon's position, Collie caught 74% of passes thrown to him.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Got it confused with the completion percentage to said receiver. I know that it's about 50% to Larry which is turrible. I noticed it when looking at the abysmal percentage complete to Ocho and Chad. Then again, I guess if you run the wrong route you don't get a chance to drop it 
-QG
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
Welker was added to the Pro Bowl this year and also made it in 08 and 09.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Luckily, we can do almost exactly that. From 2000 on, Marvin Harrison's catch% was 61.1% (despite being targetted deep over 30% of the time - compared to Garcon's 26%). So, despite being targetted deep more often, Harrison's catch % was still closer to Wayne and White's 63% than Garcon's 57%. Also keep in mind this includes stats from the end of Harrison's career, when he was riddled with injury. Next is someone going to suggest that YPC are a useless stat unless we look at RBs that run behind the same exact O-line?We get it. Everyone has heard the phrase "haters gonna hate" - well apparently "lovers are gonna love" no matter what the actual facts say. Like Garcon if you want - but statistically he is possibly the worst pass catching WRs on the Colts, and one of the worse in the league and somehow, I don't think this fact is lost on Peyton Manning. Will Garcon have big games? Sure - because Manning has to throw to who is open and occasionally, with Wayne, Tamme, Collie, etc. Garcon is going to be the one left weakly accounted for by a defense. I'm just saying the more I have looked into the stats, the less I would like Garcon as a WR in a dynasty format.Catch percentage is the perfect stat for comparing guys in exactly the same role, with exactly the same QB.Otherwise, damn near useless.
FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
James Jones would have shattered that mark if he got a few more targets per game...
Agreed. Reminds me of Corey Bradford. Remember him? Neither does anyone else.You need to catch the ball if you're a WR, otherwise you're just a dude who can run fast and destined to be forgotten.
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Andrew Garda
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Hands down for the Jets (literally?) was Jerricho Cotchery. Dunno WHAT happened to that dude this year. Was terrible.
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