Who should be the next coach of the Philadelphia Eagles? (1 Viewer)

[Coeur de Lion]

Reid is 119 - 77 - 1 in the regular season, has a winning record in the playoffs (10 - 9), has won 7 division titles in 12 years, and has taken the Eagles to the Super Bowl. The fans of PLENTY of NFL franchises would take that in a heartbeat.Sustaining that type of success in the NFL for a decade plus is really, really hard. It's unbelievable that people think that he should be fired for the slow start.

Very impressive...now look at what he's done over the last 6+ seasons. Are they closer to the SB now then they were 5 years ago?Every coach's time runs out eventually.

Since 2005 Philly is 55 - 45 with 3 playoff wins and 3 division titles. They have also turned over the vast majority of their key personnel since the Super Bowl season largely without missing a beat. Reid is a good coach, dude.

 

[delusional]

Big fan of these threads that call for the head of one of the best coaches of all time.

Good lord i sharted I laughed so hardHe is a vastly overrated ego driven stubborn coach.The flaws you don't want in a head coach, he makes it a point to parade them around. He should have been canned 3 years ago.He turned an average offensive line coach into a defensive coordinator, one of which said coach has no experience with. That alone would get a coach fired after after the pitiful display of defense this team has been showing. Not to mentioned how many failed draft picks he has had over the last few years. The constant 'run thru the wall instead of adjusting and going around it' type of playcalling/gameplanning. The worst time management in the league. He has that 'smarter then everyone else' attitude. His time is up. Its been up for a while. For every thing he did for the organization to win, he is also the reason they haven't won a super bowl.

 

[SacramentoBob]

As a Cowboys' fan, I'll be partying the day Reid gets run out of town. He has some flaws, but he's the best coach the Eagles have ever had. Unless they can replace him with Cowher, it would be dumb to get rid of him.

This is all you need to know. Just goes to show you how spoiled Philly fans are.

 

[SacramentoBob]

gll going back to the Rich Kotite days.

 

[The Doctor]

ronald mcdonald

 

[Amused to Death]

Reid is 119 - 77 - 1 in the regular season, has a winning record in the playoffs (10 - 9), has won 7 division titles in 12 years, and has taken the Eagles to the Super Bowl. The fans of PLENTY of NFL franchises would take that in a heartbeat.Sustaining that type of success in the NFL for a decade plus is really, really hard. It's unbelievable that people think that he should be fired for the slow start.

Very impressive...now look at what he's done over the last 6+ seasons. Are they closer to the SB now then they were 5 years ago?Every coach's time runs out eventually.

Since 2005 Philly is 55 - 45 with 3 playoff wins and 3 division titles. They have also turned over the vast majority of their key personnel since the Super Bowl season largely without missing a beat. Reid is a good coach, dude.

He's good coach. Not great and certainly not untouchable. 1-7 in last 8 games, lost their last 3 playoff games (haven't won a playoff game since '08, and they aren't winning any this year either).Hiring the O-line coach to run the defense was inexcusable. He hired all of the D coaches that got the axe last year, and this year's worse. Regular season wins are nice, but the bar is set much higher. And that bar was set by the front office as well as the fans.Good, not great. Team is not progressing. Time to move on.

 

[Amused to Death]

gll going back to the Rich Kotite days.

Yes, because there will never be another coach in Philly who can match his success.

 

[pollardsvision]

It seems like it never works out well as the coach starts taking over more and more of a good GM's responsibilities. Even the best coaches need a strong GM or personnel guy.

Anyway, Reid's a great offensive coach, but he's clearly not making great personnel decisions on defense and the loss of Jim Johnson seems to be a major one.

It never gets mentioned, but Reid's Eagles achieved great success, in large part, because Johnson had that defense playing wonderfully. They were a top 7 defense (pts. allowed) for 5 straight years. The downfall of the Eagles has coincided with the downfall of the once very good defense.

I think it makes sense to keep Reid, if they take away some of his personnel authority and hire a new DC. Long-time coaches never seem to give up any of the former when they get it, so that probably won't happen.

 

[SacramentoBob]

It seems like it never works out well as the coach starts taking over more and more of a good GM's responsibilities. Even the best coaches need a strong GM or personnel guy.

I agree with this. He's been more successful than the other coaches who have tried to do both roles. I think having a good GM would help more than getting an entirely new coach.

 

[pollardsvision]

It seems like it never works out well as the coach starts taking over more and more of a good GM's responsibilities. Even the best coaches need a strong GM or personnel guy.

I agree with this. He's been more successful than the other coaches who have tried to do both roles. I think having a good GM would help more than getting an entirely new coach.

Any guess as to whether or not Reid would accept the loss of having final player decisions?Seems like that would be a great route if he'd do it. I don't recall any coach ever doing that though. I'm sure it's happened, but I can't remember.It seems like that'd be a good solution. With the offensive personnel and the commitment to Vick over the next several years, it seems awfully dangerous to take Reid out of the offensive equation.

 

[Insein]

Big fan of these threads that call for the head of one of the best coaches of all time.

He's right there with Marty Shottenheimer and Norv Turner.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Big fan of these threads that call for the head of one of the best coaches of all time.

He's right there with Marty Shottenheimer and Norv Turner.

Let's save the fishing trips for your family getaways.Schottenheimer was a great coach as well.

 

[Amused to Death]

Big fan of these threads that call for the head of one of the best coaches of all time.

He's right there with Marty Shottenheimer and Norv Turner.

Let's save the fishing trips for your family getaways.Schottenheimer was a great coach as well.

Norv Turner took over the Chargers in 2007. Since then he has won 45 regular season games and 3 playoff games.Since 2007, Andy Reid has won 39 regular season games and 2 playoff games.

Neither has won a playoff game since 2008.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Big fan of these threads that call for the head of one of the best coaches of all time.

He's right there with Marty Shottenheimer and Norv Turner.

Let's save the fishing trips for your family getaways.Schottenheimer was a great coach as well.

Norv Turner took over the Chargers in 2007. Since then he has won 45 regular season games and 3 playoff games.Since 2007, Andy Reid has won 39 regular season games and 2 playoff games.

You really wanna do this? What was the record of the team Norv Turner took over? How badly has he run the team into the ground since?

 

[Amused to Death]

Big fan of these threads that call for the head of one of the best coaches of all time.

He's right there with Marty Shottenheimer and Norv Turner.

Let's save the fishing trips for your family getaways.Schottenheimer was a great coach as well.

Norv Turner took over the Chargers in 2007. Since then he has won 45 regular season games and 3 playoff games.Since 2007, Andy Reid has won 39 regular season games and 2 playoff games.

You really wanna do this? What was the record of the team Norv Turner took over? How badly has he run the team into the ground since?

Sure. How's the Eagles looking this year? And the 2007 team Andy inherited...was his own.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Big fan of these threads that call for the head of one of the best coaches of all time.

He's right there with Marty Shottenheimer and Norv Turner.

Let's save the fishing trips for your family getaways.Schottenheimer was a great coach as well.

Norv Turner took over the Chargers in 2007. Since then he has won 45 regular season games and 3 playoff games.Since 2007, Andy Reid has won 39 regular season games and 2 playoff games.

You really wanna do this? What was the record of the team Norv Turner took over? How badly has he run the team into the ground since?

Sure. How's the Eagles looking this year? And the 2007 team Andy inherited...was his own.

I was right, you don't want to do this.

 

[Amused to Death]

Big fan of these threads that call for the head of one of the best coaches of all time.

He's right there with Marty Shottenheimer and Norv Turner.

Let's save the fishing trips for your family getaways.Schottenheimer was a great coach as well.

Norv Turner took over the Chargers in 2007. Since then he has won 45 regular season games and 3 playoff games.Since 2007, Andy Reid has won 39 regular season games and 2 playoff games.

You really wanna do this? What was the record of the team Norv Turner took over? How badly has he run the team into the ground since?

Sure. How's the Eagles looking this year? And the 2007 team Andy inherited...was his own.

I was right, you don't want to do this.

So...what do you got?Andy's team is 1-7 over their last 8. They are considering replacing the DC he hand picked. That was after the debacle he hand picked the last time.

Is Andy's overall resume better than Turner? Absolutely. But this perception that Andy is untouchable is funny. He's not. His team has now been accused by their last 2 opponents of quitting. Some of the his own players admit they don't play a full 60. He needs to do a complete 180 or step down.

 

[pollardsvision]

Let's also not forget that, if Norv were in the NFC East instead of the AFC West, he'd have alot fewer wins and certainly wouldn't have 3 playoff wins. Likely, none.

In the years he got playoff wins ('07 and '08), he probably wouldn't have made the playoffs if they were in the NFC East (absolutely not in '08). He would've made it in '09, but that year he lost the first game at home, to a rookie.

Even so, comparing Norv's best years to Reid's worst is not a fair comparison.

Norv is not in Reid's league.

 

[Amused to Death]

Let's also not forget that, if Norv were in the NFC East instead of the AFC West, he'd have alot fewer wins and certainly wouldn't have 3 playoff wins. Likely, none.In the years he got playoff wins ('07 and '08), he probably wouldn't have made the playoffs if they were in the NFC East (absolutely not in '08). He would've made it in '09, but that year he lost the first game at home, to a rookie.Even so, comparing Norv's best years to Reid's worst is not a fair comparison.Norv is not in Reid's league.

Like I said, Reid's overall resume is far better. And yes, given the choice I'd certainly prefer him over a lot of coaches including Turner. But Andy's national reputation is greatly influenced by his early success. They organization was much different then. Andy was much different then, and he had a defensive genius who covered up a lot of flaws. His first 6 years in the league were far more successful then the last 6+ (they are averaging almost 2 wins per season less, post-SB, and that isn't counting 2011).This team is falling off a cliff in hurry, and Reid has no answers.

 

[Bushead]

Reid is 119 - 77 - 1 in the regular season, has a winning record in the playoffs (10 - 9), has won 7 division titles in 12 years, and has taken the Eagles to the Super Bowl. The fans of PLENTY of NFL franchises would take that in a heartbeat.Sustaining that type of success in the NFL for a decade plus is really, really hard. It's unbelievable that people think that he should be fired for the slow start.

Very impressive...now look at what he's done over the last 6+ seasons. Are they closer to the SB now then they were 5 years ago?Every coach's time runs out eventually.

Since 2005 Philly is 55 - 45 with 3 playoff wins and 3 division titles. They have also turned over the vast majority of their key personnel since the Super Bowl season largely without missing a beat. Reid is a good coach, dude.

He's good coach. Not great and certainly not untouchable. 1-7 in last 8 games, lost their last 3 playoff games (haven't won a playoff game since '08, and they aren't winning any this year either).Hiring the O-line coach to run the defense was inexcusable. He hired all of the D coaches that got the axe last year, and this year's worse. Regular season wins are nice, but the bar is set much higher. And that bar was set by the front office as well as the fans.Good, not great. Team is not progressing. Time to move on.

While not untouchable, lets get real about his record. before those last 8 games he was 10-4 in '10. 11-5 in '11During these 3 supposedly "terrible" years for Reid, there are 2 teams in the NFC that had a better record - NO and Atl. Each by less than 1 game per year. All while completely rebuilding the entire team including starting 3 different QB's. 7th best record in the NFL during that time.You know how many NFC teams made the playoffs each of the last 3 years? Yep, one team, the Eagles (Balt & ind also made last 3) Even the great Belichick only made 2 of the last 3 playoffs, and has 0 wins after 2 home playoff games during that span. Time to move on there too?Last year, they were the closest of any team thoughout the playoffs to beating GB, losing by 5 with an int in the endzone in the final seconds.I believe he now has 4 former assistant coaches that are head coaches of other teams. Sorry, that doesn't happen if Andy is just an OK coach and/or evaluating coaching talent.The bar WAS set high this year and I am as disappointed as anyone - but I am not going to be a member of this rediculous crusade some of you "fans" are on, hoping for losses so that you can justify firing the best head coach the Eagles have had....5 games into the season.

 

[Amused to Death]

Reid is 119 - 77 - 1 in the regular season, has a winning record in the playoffs (10 - 9), has won 7 division titles in 12 years, and has taken the Eagles to the Super Bowl. The fans of PLENTY of NFL franchises would take that in a heartbeat.

Sustaining that type of success in the NFL for a decade plus is really, really hard. It's unbelievable that people think that he should be fired for the slow start.

Very impressive...now look at what he's done over the last 6+ seasons. Are they closer to the SB now then they were 5 years ago?Every coach's time runs out eventually.

Since 2005 Philly is 55 - 45 with 3 playoff wins and 3 division titles. They have also turned over the vast majority of their key personnel since the Super Bowl season largely without missing a beat. Reid is a good coach, dude.

He's good coach. Not great and certainly not untouchable. 1-7 in last 8 games, lost their last 3 playoff games (haven't won a playoff game since '08, and they aren't winning any this year either).Hiring the O-line coach to run the defense was inexcusable. He hired all of the D coaches that got the axe last year, and this year's worse. Regular season wins are nice, but the bar is set much higher. And that bar was set by the front office as well as the fans.

Good, not great. Team is not progressing. Time to move on.

While not untouchable, lets get real about his record. before those last 8 games he was 10-4 in '10. 11-5 in '11During these 3 supposedly "terrible" years for Reid, there are 2 teams in the NFC that had a better record - NO and Atl. Each by less than 1 game per year. All while completely rebuilding the entire team including starting 3 different QB's. 7th best record in the NFL during that time.

You know how many NFC teams made the playoffs each of the last 3 years? Yep, one team, the Eagles (Balt & ind also made last 3) Even the great Belichick only made 2 of the last 3 playoffs, and has 0 wins after 2 home playoff games during that span. Time to move on there too?

Last year, they were the closest of any team thoughout the playoffs to beating GB, losing by 5 with an int in the endzone in the final seconds.

I believe he now has 4 former assistant coaches that are head coaches of other teams. Sorry, that doesn't happen if Andy is just an OK coach and/or evaluating coaching talent.

The bar WAS set high this year and I am as disappointed as anyone - but I am not going to be a member of this rediculous crusade some of you "fans" are on, hoping for losses so that you can justify firing the best head coach the Eagles have had....5 games into the season.

And nary a playoff win to go with it. My personal opinion is that regular season wins are nice. Now go deep into the playoffs. That's the objective. At least make progress towards that goal. If he can't get it done, its time to move on. Maybe the next guy will be worse - but he might be better. Your opinion may differ. But the only opinions that counts will be Banner's and Laurie's.Time will tell.

 

[Bushead]

Reid is 119 - 77 - 1 in the regular season, has a winning record in the playoffs (10 - 9), has won 7 division titles in 12 years, and has taken the Eagles to the Super Bowl. The fans of PLENTY of NFL franchises would take that in a heartbeat.

Sustaining that type of success in the NFL for a decade plus is really, really hard. It's unbelievable that people think that he should be fired for the slow start.

Very impressive...now look at what he's done over the last 6+ seasons. Are they closer to the SB now then they were 5 years ago?Every coach's time runs out eventually.

Since 2005 Philly is 55 - 45 with 3 playoff wins and 3 division titles. They have also turned over the vast majority of their key personnel since the Super Bowl season largely without missing a beat. Reid is a good coach, dude.

He's good coach. Not great and certainly not untouchable. 1-7 in last 8 games, lost their last 3 playoff games (haven't won a playoff game since '08, and they aren't winning any this year either).Hiring the O-line coach to run the defense was inexcusable. He hired all of the D coaches that got the axe last year, and this year's worse. Regular season wins are nice, but the bar is set much higher. And that bar was set by the front office as well as the fans.

Good, not great. Team is not progressing. Time to move on.

While not untouchable, lets get real about his record. before those last 8 games he was 10-4 in '10. 11-5 in '11During these 3 supposedly "terrible" years for Reid, there are 2 teams in the NFC that had a better record - NO and Atl. Each by less than 1 game per year. All while completely rebuilding the entire team including starting 3 different QB's. 7th best record in the NFL during that time.

You know how many NFC teams made the playoffs each of the last 3 years? Yep, one team, the Eagles (Balt & ind also made last 3) Even the great Belichick only made 2 of the last 3 playoffs, and has 0 wins after 2 home playoff games during that span. Time to move on there too?

Last year, they were the closest of any team thoughout the playoffs to beating GB, losing by 5 with an int in the endzone in the final seconds.

I believe he now has 4 former assistant coaches that are head coaches of other teams. Sorry, that doesn't happen if Andy is just an OK coach and/or evaluating coaching talent.

The bar WAS set high this year and I am as disappointed as anyone - but I am not going to be a member of this rediculous crusade some of you "fans" are on, hoping for losses so that you can justify firing the best head coach the Eagles have had....5 games into the season.

And nary a playoff win to go with it. My personal opinion is that regular season wins are nice. Now go deep into the playoffs. That's the objective. At least make progress towards that goal. If he can't get it done, its time to move on. Maybe the next guy will be worse - but he might be better. Your opinion may differ. But the only opinions that counts will be Banner's and Laurie's.Time will tell.

making it to the the NFC championship game (on the road as a WC team no less)in '08 isn't deep enought for you? Look, all I am saying is your bar is set at a level no coach in the NFL has sustained. You act as if Reid and/or this team has just sat on their hands for the last 3 years. Hardly the case. Have they made some questionable decissions? I think so. Have they improved the lineup? Our record right now might say no, but there isn't a person on the planet that thought they would have come out of the gate 1-4 this year. Should we move on just for the sake of moving on? I am not there yet.

 

[Amused to Death]

Reid is 119 - 77 - 1 in the regular season, has a winning record in the playoffs (10 - 9), has won 7 division titles in 12 years, and has taken the Eagles to the Super Bowl. The fans of PLENTY of NFL franchises would take that in a heartbeat.

Sustaining that type of success in the NFL for a decade plus is really, really hard. It's unbelievable that people think that he should be fired for the slow start.

Very impressive...now look at what he's done over the last 6+ seasons. Are they closer to the SB now then they were 5 years ago?Every coach's time runs out eventually.

Since 2005 Philly is 55 - 45 with 3 playoff wins and 3 division titles. They have also turned over the vast majority of their key personnel since the Super Bowl season largely without missing a beat. Reid is a good coach, dude.

He's good coach. Not great and certainly not untouchable. 1-7 in last 8 games, lost their last 3 playoff games (haven't won a playoff game since '08, and they aren't winning any this year either).Hiring the O-line coach to run the defense was inexcusable. He hired all of the D coaches that got the axe last year, and this year's worse. Regular season wins are nice, but the bar is set much higher. And that bar was set by the front office as well as the fans.

Good, not great. Team is not progressing. Time to move on.

While not untouchable, lets get real about his record. before those last 8 games he was 10-4 in '10. 11-5 in '11During these 3 supposedly "terrible" years for Reid, there are 2 teams in the NFC that had a better record - NO and Atl. Each by less than 1 game per year. All while completely rebuilding the entire team including starting 3 different QB's. 7th best record in the NFL during that time.

You know how many NFC teams made the playoffs each of the last 3 years? Yep, one team, the Eagles (Balt & ind also made last 3) Even the great Belichick only made 2 of the last 3 playoffs, and has 0 wins after 2 home playoff games during that span. Time to move on there too?

Last year, they were the closest of any team thoughout the playoffs to beating GB, losing by 5 with an int in the endzone in the final seconds.

I believe he now has 4 former assistant coaches that are head coaches of other teams. Sorry, that doesn't happen if Andy is just an OK coach and/or evaluating coaching talent.

The bar WAS set high this year and I am as disappointed as anyone - but I am not going to be a member of this rediculous crusade some of you "fans" are on, hoping for losses so that you can justify firing the best head coach the Eagles have had....5 games into the season.

And nary a playoff win to go with it. My personal opinion is that regular season wins are nice. Now go deep into the playoffs. That's the objective. At least make progress towards that goal. If he can't get it done, its time to move on. Maybe the next guy will be worse - but he might be better. Your opinion may differ. But the only opinions that counts will be Banner's and Laurie's.Time will tell.

making it to the the NFC championship game (on the road as a WC team no less)in '08 isn't deep enought for you? Look, all I am saying is your bar is set at a level no coach in the NFL has sustained. You act as if Reid and/or this team has just sat on their hands for the last 3 years. Hardly the case. Have they made some questionable decissions? I think so. Have they improved the lineup? Our record right now might say no, but there isn't a person on the planet that thought they would have come out of the gate 1-4 this year. Should we move on just for the sake of moving on? I am not there yet.

'08 was wonderful. Steep decline since (post-season wise). As I said, he needs to turn this around. If he can't, they need to move on. You're not there yet, others are. All I'm sayin'. We're all allowed our opinions. I'm not satisfied with regular season wins and post-season defeats. Maybe you are.

 

[phillybirds]

What have you done for me lately? That is sports. No one can deny Andy's success. I don't think anyone would try to. He put the Eagles on the map in a big way and helped make the owner and franchise a ton of money.

But if you look just at the past couple of years and where this team appears to be headed, then the question, "What have you done for me lately", becomes a relevant one. It happens all the time with good players and good coaches.

I think it's funny that people would argue that there is no justification for people wanting a change...that he is somehow untouchable and the same rules don't apply.

What has he done for the Eagles lately? Back to back wildcard playoff loses and an almost impossible shot at the playoffs this season. An offensive line coach with no experience becomes the defensive coordinator and fails miserably, resulting in a team with tons of offensive talent losing despite putting up almost 500 yards a game these past two weeks.

Face it, the Ownership of the Franchise spent a lot of money this past season. Why? Because they figured this was their shot. This was the year that they could put it all together. They had super bowl hopes and were willing to pay big money for it. They could have saved all of that money and put a 1 - 4 team on the field. This is a tremendous disastrous of a season for the Organization. It is not all ridiculous to think that they would be justified in firing him after this season, after spending all that money, and getting a horrible return on their investment.

 

[Amused to Death]

making it to the the NFC championship game (on the road as a WC team no less)in '08 isn't deep enought for you? Look, all I am saying is your bar is set at a level no coach in the NFL has sustained. You act as if Reid and/or this team has just sat on their hands for the last 3 years. Hardly the case. Have they made some questionable decissions? I think so. Have they improved the lineup? Our record right now might say no, but there isn't a person on the planet that thought they would have come out of the gate 1-4 this year. Should we move on just for the sake of moving on? I am not there yet.

For the sake of conversation, and please don't take this as being argumentative, but can you name Reid's last GOOD decision? What was the last move he made that we can look back on and say it was the correct move? One that I can think of was trading McNabb. In hindsight it was a great move. However the national media was highly critical of it at the time. People on this board where laughing at Eagles fans saying "stupid fans, you got what you wanted!" as if fans had any influence over the front office trading him.And as for improving the lineup, yes absolutely. This team is far more talented than what they had during Reid's best years. Yet their success has been no where near the same. Especially since losing JJ. So why is it they are loaded with talent, but can't win? This defense has 6 all-pro players. But they suck. Why are our own players questioning the heart of the team? Why are opponents telling the national media the Eagles quit?

It starts at the top. And its coaching.

 

[Insein]

making it to the the NFC championship game (on the road as a WC team no less)in '08 isn't deep enought for you? Look, all I am saying is your bar is set at a level no coach in the NFL has sustained. You act as if Reid and/or this team has just sat on their hands for the last 3 years. Hardly the case. Have they made some questionable decissions? I think so. Have they improved the lineup? Our record right now might say no, but there isn't a person on the planet that thought they would have come out of the gate 1-4 this year. Should we move on just for the sake of moving on? I am not there yet.

For the sake of conversation, and please don't take this as being argumentative, but can you name Reid's last GOOD decision? What was the last move he made that we can look back on and say it was the correct move? One that I can think of was trading McNabb. In hindsight it was a great move. However the national media was highly critical of it at the time. People on this board where laughing at Eagles fans saying "stupid fans, you got what you wanted!" as if fans had any influence over the front office trading him.And as for improving the lineup, yes absolutely. This team is far more talented than what they had during Reid's best years. Yet their success has been no where near the same. Especially since losing JJ. So why is it they are loaded with talent, but can't win? This defense has 6 all-pro players. But they suck. Why are our own players questioning the heart of the team? Why are opponents telling the national media the Eagles quit?

It starts at the top. And its coaching.

I'd disagree with the lineup. While the skill positions are largely improved, the lines are shells of their former selves. Tre Thomas and John runyan were anchors on that Oline that you didn't have to worry about. Defensively you had hollis Thomas and Corey Simon holding down the fort with solid line play. In the secondary were 3 pro bowlers in Dawk, Lito and Sheldon with Mikell coming later as a solid contributory. Even the Linebacker play was better with Trotter alone. This team has some flashy names but it has no identity. Vick, McCoy, Desean, Nnamdi, Asante. This is a finesse team, aka SOFT. There's no leader on defense except for Cole who is more of a lead by example guy than a ra-ra guy. On offense we have vick who leads in the good times and whines in the bad times. I feel that the talent is flashier but its not better overall.

 

[Amused to Death]

making it to the the NFC championship game (on the road as a WC team no less)in '08 isn't deep enought for you? Look, all I am saying is your bar is set at a level no coach in the NFL has sustained. You act as if Reid and/or this team has just sat on their hands for the last 3 years. Hardly the case. Have they made some questionable decissions? I think so. Have they improved the lineup? Our record right now might say no, but there isn't a person on the planet that thought they would have come out of the gate 1-4 this year. Should we move on just for the sake of moving on? I am not there yet.

For the sake of conversation, and please don't take this as being argumentative, but can you name Reid's last GOOD decision? What was the last move he made that we can look back on and say it was the correct move? One that I can think of was trading McNabb. In hindsight it was a great move. However the national media was highly critical of it at the time. People on this board where laughing at Eagles fans saying "stupid fans, you got what you wanted!" as if fans had any influence over the front office trading him.And as for improving the lineup, yes absolutely. This team is far more talented than what they had during Reid's best years. Yet their success has been no where near the same. Especially since losing JJ. So why is it they are loaded with talent, but can't win? This defense has 6 all-pro players. But they suck. Why are our own players questioning the heart of the team? Why are opponents telling the national media the Eagles quit?

It starts at the top. And its coaching.

I'd disagree with the lineup. While the skill positions are largely improved, the lines are shells of their former selves. Tre Thomas and John runyan were anchors on that Oline that you didn't have to worry about. Defensively you had hollis Thomas and Corey Simon holding down the fort with solid line play. In the secondary were 3 pro bowlers in Dawk, Lito and Sheldon with Mikell coming later as a solid contributory. Even the Linebacker play was better with Trotter alone. This team has some flashy names but it has no identity. Vick, McCoy, Desean, Nnamdi, Asante. This is a finesse team, aka SOFT. There's no leader on defense except for Cole who is more of a lead by example guy than a ra-ra guy. On offense we have vick who leads in the good times and whines in the bad times. I feel that the talent is flashier but its not better overall.

Yeah I might have been too quick on the "far more talented" statement. The current O-line is a mess, however the D-line is pretty good. I'd say O-line, LB & Safety is were this team is worse. But the skill positions are all pretty much equal or better (which is what immediately came to mind). Regardless, even if the talent is lacking they are all AR's guys - whereas the team that went to the Super Bowl was not.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Andy Reid.

 

[Sinn Fein]

LHucks

 

[Bushead]

making it to the the NFC championship game (on the road as a WC team no less)in '08 isn't deep enought for you? Look, all I am saying is your bar is set at a level no coach in the NFL has sustained. You act as if Reid and/or this team has just sat on their hands for the last 3 years. Hardly the case. Have they made some questionable decissions? I think so. Have they improved the lineup? Our record right now might say no, but there isn't a person on the planet that thought they would have come out of the gate 1-4 this year. Should we move on just for the sake of moving on? I am not there yet.

For the sake of conversation, and please don't take this as being argumentative, but can you name Reid's last GOOD decision? What was the last move he made that we can look back on and say it was the correct move? One that I can think of was trading McNabb. In hindsight it was a great move. However the national media was highly critical of it at the time. People on this board where laughing at Eagles fans saying "stupid fans, you got what you wanted!" as if fans had any influence over the front office trading him.And as for improving the lineup, yes absolutely. This team is far more talented than what they had during Reid's best years. Yet their success has been no where near the same. Especially since losing JJ. So why is it they are loaded with talent, but can't win? This defense has 6 all-pro players. But they suck. Why are our own players questioning the heart of the team? Why are opponents telling the national media the Eagles quit?

It starts at the top. And its coaching.

I'd disagree with the lineup. While the skill positions are largely improved, the lines are shells of their former selves. Tre Thomas and John runyan were anchors on that Oline that you didn't have to worry about. Defensively you had hollis Thomas and Corey Simon holding down the fort with solid line play. In the secondary were 3 pro bowlers in Dawk, Lito and Sheldon with Mikell coming later as a solid contributory. Even the Linebacker play was better with Trotter alone. This team has some flashy names but it has no identity. Vick, McCoy, Desean, Nnamdi, Asante. This is a finesse team, aka SOFT. There's no leader on defense except for Cole who is more of a lead by example guy than a ra-ra guy. On offense we have vick who leads in the good times and whines in the bad times. I feel that the talent is flashier but its not better overall.

Yeah I might have been too quick on the "far more talented" statement. The current O-line is a mess, however the D-line is pretty good. I'd say O-line, LB & Safety is were this team is worse. But the skill positions are all pretty much equal or better (which is what immediately came to mind). Regardless, even if the talent is lacking they are all AR's guys - whereas the team that went to the Super Bowl was not.

Honest question - except for Trotter, Dawk and Thomas; which member of that 2004 team was not an Andy Reid guy? I have heard that comment a number of times, but off the top of my head most of the players I can think of on that team were brought in by Reid.

 

[Bushead]

making it to the the NFC championship game (on the road as a WC team no less)in '08 isn't deep enought for you? Look, all I am saying is your bar is set at a level no coach in the NFL has sustained. You act as if Reid and/or this team has just sat on their hands for the last 3 years. Hardly the case. Have they made some questionable decissions? I think so. Have they improved the lineup? Our record right now might say no, but there isn't a person on the planet that thought they would have come out of the gate 1-4 this year. Should we move on just for the sake of moving on? I am not there yet.

For the sake of conversation, and please don't take this as being argumentative, but can you name Reid's last GOOD decision? What was the last move he made that we can look back on and say it was the correct move? One that I can think of was trading McNabb. In hindsight it was a great move. However the national media was highly critical of it at the time. People on this board where laughing at Eagles fans saying "stupid fans, you got what you wanted!" as if fans had any influence over the front office trading him.And as for improving the lineup, yes absolutely. This team is far more talented than what they had during Reid's best years. Yet their success has been no where near the same. Especially since losing JJ. So why is it they are loaded with talent, but can't win? This defense has 6 all-pro players. But they suck. Why are our own players questioning the heart of the team? Why are opponents telling the national media the Eagles quit?

It starts at the top. And its coaching.

Amused - not at all, I am just trying to bring some levity to the discussion which is obviously dominated with fire Reid right now. Despite my opinion on Reid, do not take that as satisfaction with this season nor the recent playoff losses.In general, his management/turoring of QB's has and continues to be unbelievable - which happens to be the most important position on a team. Pretty good quality to have. I can't think of a one during his tenure that looked better after leaving Philly. I think his refusal (while frustrating to the fan base) to make knee jerk reactions/consistancy has also been a key to mainting success over the long term. His players thtoughout seem to have nothing but good things to say about him before or after their time in Philly.

Agree on JJ, but it isn't like Reid had a hand in his departure. He promoted a lifelong JJ understudy last year, which didn't work out. Rather than hoping it got better, he made a change after one year. Doesn't look good either right now, but lets see what the rest of the season looks like. Keep in mind, he also hired JJ. I am dumbfounded at the fundemental (tackling) issues on this D right now. We can point the figure at Castille/wide 9/LB's/etc all day, but we probably aren't having this discussion if the professional football players on this team would simply make a play when it is in front of them. To the extent that Reid is in charge and is responsible for the overall product, I can agree to blame him for that. However, it has not been an issue that has plauged him throughout his tenure.

In fairness, we should be comparing him to his peers over the last couple of years. As mentioned, only one other coach can claim they made the playoffs each of the last three years. Only a handful have produced a better record. If the criteria is that he hasn't won a Super Bowl and we are tired of waiting, I can live with that opinion even if I don't agree with the bar. But I don't see anything else he has done that would warrent his dismisal.

 

[Amused to Death]

making it to the the NFC championship game (on the road as a WC team no less)in '08 isn't deep enought for you? Look, all I am saying is your bar is set at a level no coach in the NFL has sustained. You act as if Reid and/or this team has just sat on their hands for the last 3 years. Hardly the case. Have they made some questionable decissions? I think so. Have they improved the lineup? Our record right now might say no, but there isn't a person on the planet that thought they would have come out of the gate 1-4 this year. Should we move on just for the sake of moving on? I am not there yet.

For the sake of conversation, and please don't take this as being argumentative, but can you name Reid's last GOOD decision? What was the last move he made that we can look back on and say it was the correct move? One that I can think of was trading McNabb. In hindsight it was a great move. However the national media was highly critical of it at the time. People on this board where laughing at Eagles fans saying "stupid fans, you got what you wanted!" as if fans had any influence over the front office trading him.And as for improving the lineup, yes absolutely. This team is far more talented than what they had during Reid's best years. Yet their success has been no where near the same. Especially since losing JJ. So why is it they are loaded with talent, but can't win? This defense has 6 all-pro players. But they suck. Why are our own players questioning the heart of the team? Why are opponents telling the national media the Eagles quit?

It starts at the top. And its coaching.

I'd disagree with the lineup. While the skill positions are largely improved, the lines are shells of their former selves. Tre Thomas and John runyan were anchors on that Oline that you didn't have to worry about. Defensively you had hollis Thomas and Corey Simon holding down the fort with solid line play. In the secondary were 3 pro bowlers in Dawk, Lito and Sheldon with Mikell coming later as a solid contributory. Even the Linebacker play was better with Trotter alone. This team has some flashy names but it has no identity. Vick, McCoy, Desean, Nnamdi, Asante. This is a finesse team, aka SOFT. There's no leader on defense except for Cole who is more of a lead by example guy than a ra-ra guy. On offense we have vick who leads in the good times and whines in the bad times. I feel that the talent is flashier but its not better overall.

Yeah I might have been too quick on the "far more talented" statement. The current O-line is a mess, however the D-line is pretty good. I'd say O-line, LB & Safety is were this team is worse. But the skill positions are all pretty much equal or better (which is what immediately came to mind). Regardless, even if the talent is lacking they are all AR's guys - whereas the team that went to the Super Bowl was not.

Honest question - except for Trotter, Dawk and Thomas; which member of that 2004 team was not an Andy Reid guy? I have heard that comment a number of times, but off the top of my head most of the players I can think of on that team were brought in by Reid.

Mayberry was inherited. Other than that, players like McNabb, Freddie Mitchell, Todd Pinkston, Cory Simon, Derrick Burgess, David Akers all joined the team while Tom Modrak was GM. Andy also inherited Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, Al Harris, Duce Staley and Hollis Thomas who were all contributors to those early successful teams.