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Who signs Ray Rice (1 Viewer)
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rockaction
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If I'm Indy I have to think about picking him up, but I got lectured about LeGarrette Blount and the Indianapolis Way, so never mind Ray Rice.
eta* At least it's not like that Semen Parade they've got going over in New England.
eta2* I just added Ray Rice. How can you not?
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RenegadeGM
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Skeletore Eh
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No one. PR nightmare and he was the worst rb in football last year
Rashard Mendenhall, Trent Richardson and Steven Jackson disagree. Give it a rest.
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Skeletore Eh
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fatness
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pantherclub
Footballguy
I'm not sure Rice's play deteriorated, the play of the OL deteriorated, the flow of the game put them in a position to get away from their preferred game script. I'd argue some of each. Given that Baltimore moved to a new OC who brought in a zone blocking scheme I think the team knew they needed to change things up - Rice avg 3.08 yards/rush while Pierce averaged 2.87.
SaintsInDome2006
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ConnSKINS26
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mphtrilogy
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he will go unsIgned
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I don't think anyone signs him this year.
As mentioned, he seemed to have "lost a step" last year, now it's extremely late in the season to learn a new offense.
That being said, one team that hasn't been mentioned that might need some RB depth is Pittsburgh. Archer and Harris aren't going to cut it if Bell gets hurt.
I still don't see him getting signed this year, though.
As mentioned, he seemed to have "lost a step" last year, now it's extremely late in the season to learn a new offense.
That being said, one team that hasn't been mentioned that might need some RB depth is Pittsburgh. Archer and Harris aren't going to cut it if Bell gets hurt.
I still don't see him getting signed this year, though.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Say what you want about the owner, but since the late 90s Indy has traditionally signed high character guys and if they do something stupid, they are usually cut right away.The Indy way? Look at the owner
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Since he is a veteran, surely can be had for cheap, my mind goes to BB.
No doubt if the Jets sign him and start Vick and Rice, people are going to be "up in arms."
How's the public respond if golden boy Brady takes him under his wing? Will that be like "oh he's with brady, he'll behave" or will it be that he'll tarnish Brady's rep?
I think if it's one of the golden boy QBs in the league, the public might be a sort of grrr accepting of it.
I'm not in support of it. I don't think Vick should have played again and am not a fan of the appeal ruling. However, I feel like sitting here saying he'll never play again is naive and a concept I was burned with, with Vick.
ETA no I haven't forgotten of Percy or CJ, just trying to illustrate a point
No doubt if the Jets sign him and start Vick and Rice, people are going to be "up in arms."
How's the public respond if golden boy Brady takes him under his wing? Will that be like "oh he's with brady, he'll behave" or will it be that he'll tarnish Brady's rep?
I think if it's one of the golden boy QBs in the league, the public might be a sort of grrr accepting of it.
I'm not in support of it. I don't think Vick should have played again and am not a fan of the appeal ruling. However, I feel like sitting here saying he'll never play again is naive and a concept I was burned with, with Vick.
ETA no I haven't forgotten of Percy or CJ, just trying to illustrate a point
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HellToupee
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St Louis would be the perfect spot right now if they needed a back.
higgins
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A few things:
(1) People keep on mentioning his deteriorating play -- I'll just say I disagree -- Rice was known to have a continual hip issue all of last year which affected him the whole season. People who watch BAL games will also be able to tell you that their OL play (when even somewhat healthy) was horrendous and continually allowed DLers into the backfield, not allowing any RB on the roster to do anything.
(2) The above being said... I highly doubt anyone touches him this season with one exception Detroit -- Caldwell was Rice's OC last season, and Detroit needs RB depth... especially a RB that can catch since Stafford has has protection problems and needs and an add'l outlet valve with Bush/TE's generally ailing the whole season. This is the first season in a while that DET has been in the hunt this late in the year. Indy woul;d also be a possibility other than the fact that Indiana is more conservative socially than most places.
(3) Rice still probably won't be signed until next season at which point you can roll the dice on where he goes.
(1) People keep on mentioning his deteriorating play -- I'll just say I disagree -- Rice was known to have a continual hip issue all of last year which affected him the whole season. People who watch BAL games will also be able to tell you that their OL play (when even somewhat healthy) was horrendous and continually allowed DLers into the backfield, not allowing any RB on the roster to do anything.
(2) The above being said... I highly doubt anyone touches him this season with one exception Detroit -- Caldwell was Rice's OC last season, and Detroit needs RB depth... especially a RB that can catch since Stafford has has protection problems and needs and an add'l outlet valve with Bush/TE's generally ailing the whole season. This is the first season in a while that DET has been in the hunt this late in the year. Indy woul;d also be a possibility other than the fact that Indiana is more conservative socially than most places.
(3) Rice still probably won't be signed until next season at which point you can roll the dice on where he goes.
Ryan Swope's Pro Career
Footballguy
I'm almost positive nobody signs his toxic ### this season, but I'll go as far as to say his career is probably over. When you can run a successful offense with bottom-of-the-barrel RBs on the cheap (Den, Indy, etc.), why bring in a PR disaster that will ask for money based on his play 2-3 years ago?
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
He'll probably end up signed a one year deal for the minimum or close to it. He won't be a PR disaster next year, no one will care, there will be new stories for people to be outraged about. Vick's first game back there were about 5 protesters, people move on.
lol. Liberals are more accepting of wife beating
Probably as much outrage in Seattle as there would be Indy is my guess.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
I think it would have to be a pretty desperate team looking to sneak into the playoffs or solidify their playoff roster....Atl, Car, TB, SF, Mia, Pit, Ind, Hou could use depth/help. If I recall, Rice looked pretty good in pre-season.
CR69
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Rice's early career stats were as inflated by his exceptional situation as his last season's stats were hurt by his poor situation.
He's a complete, but average player that was lucky to play the majority of his career with the most RB friendly offensive coordinator of the time.
tdhartis
Footballguy
I don't think it will happen, but Indy, Denver, Detroit, and Atlanta make the most sense. Indy since they lost Bradshaw and might want a spark in the running game with only Herron and Richardson. If Boom can do well, I'd imagine even an aging Rice could do better.
Also, two areas Rice typically did well in were pass protection and receving. For this reason it seems that he would fit in well at Indy, Denver, and Detroit - pass happy teams that have good QBs that need protection and who regularly involve their RBs in the passing game. I personally think he would thrive in Denver's system, as most backs would, but they should have both Ball and Hillman back by playoffs. However, if they could sign him for cheap and stash him for a while to learn the system by the playoffs he would be great insurance in case injuries keep decimating their RB corps.
Detroit with Caldwell might take the risk. He should be somewhat familiar with the system and could fill in for Bush nicely. Do you think they feel confident about their RB corps in the playoffs with Joquie and Reddick? Plus, it's Detroit. They already have more bad voodoo than you shake a stick at and it doesn't seem like a city that would be up in arms about the signing. Ray Rice could be the town's new Chrystler phoenix from the ashes story, with Caldwell playing the role of Obama. (/jk)
Atlanta also strikes me as a team who might care less about the PR aspect than other teams. Plus, Mike Smith is on the hot seat and probably pretty desperate to keep this team from teatering off the edge along with his job. If Jackson gets injured they're pretty damn thin at the position, and I think Rice could be a good 3rd-down back who could help the poor blocking of their offensive line to some degree.
PR aside, I think Rice could provide some value to many teams assuming he is willing to sign for nothing to get his second shot. I personally would not be surpirsed if someone signed him this year, although I think it's unlikely. If he is signed I think he would be part of a committee or fill a 3rd-down role for a team, and thus not be particularly fantasy relevant.
Also, two areas Rice typically did well in were pass protection and receving. For this reason it seems that he would fit in well at Indy, Denver, and Detroit - pass happy teams that have good QBs that need protection and who regularly involve their RBs in the passing game. I personally think he would thrive in Denver's system, as most backs would, but they should have both Ball and Hillman back by playoffs. However, if they could sign him for cheap and stash him for a while to learn the system by the playoffs he would be great insurance in case injuries keep decimating their RB corps.
Detroit with Caldwell might take the risk. He should be somewhat familiar with the system and could fill in for Bush nicely. Do you think they feel confident about their RB corps in the playoffs with Joquie and Reddick? Plus, it's Detroit. They already have more bad voodoo than you shake a stick at and it doesn't seem like a city that would be up in arms about the signing. Ray Rice could be the town's new Chrystler phoenix from the ashes story, with Caldwell playing the role of Obama. (/jk)
Atlanta also strikes me as a team who might care less about the PR aspect than other teams. Plus, Mike Smith is on the hot seat and probably pretty desperate to keep this team from teatering off the edge along with his job. If Jackson gets injured they're pretty damn thin at the position, and I think Rice could be a good 3rd-down back who could help the poor blocking of their offensive line to some degree.
PR aside, I think Rice could provide some value to many teams assuming he is willing to sign for nothing to get his second shot. I personally would not be surpirsed if someone signed him this year, although I think it's unlikely. If he is signed I think he would be part of a committee or fill a 3rd-down role for a team, and thus not be particularly fantasy relevant.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I've heard some Detroit steam. Not through any reputable source but makes some sense.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
tdhartis
Footballguy
I had only seen a report from a Colts beat writer stating this, and nothing from the organization itself. I have no reason to doubt the writer though. Just discussing for the sake of discussion.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
IIRC, they also said they weren't interested in Ben Tate a couple hours before they put a WW claim in on him.
Dippa
Footballguy
I pretty much disagree with all of this. They have avoided players with character concerns ever since the bad PR from Mike Vick. Ray Rice isn't going to save Mike Smith's job and I'm pretty sure even Mike Smith would realize that. They have 3 backs healthy that have seen playing time this season, and Freeman is capable if Jackson went down. They also already have a 3rd down back that is great at pass protection in Rodgers.
JohnnyU
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I don't recall reading that anywhere. Link? Either way, the Colts don't sign players with Rice's baggage.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
Commish has probably sent the word down to the franchises: no one allowed to pickup Rice. Same as continued suspension, regardless of appeal win.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Hi risk. MLB paid $280 million in damages (1980s money) and completely unified the players when they got caught colluding.
Dippa
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dmac37
Footballguy
I agree with the Detroit & Indy angles.
I think the PR nightmare is way overblown. Yes it was a disgusting horrible incident "but" he also has some things in his favor:
To my knowledge other than this incident he has a very clean history and seems to be well respected by all that have been around him during high school, college and in the NFL
America loves to give 2nd, 3rd, etc.. chances
Whoever is to pick him up should and will have a well thought out PR plan to present these factors along with playing the Goodell card on how he/NFL botched the whole thing up and he looks like the fool for lying about Rice's statement.
As far as his talent I'm in the camp that believes between his hip injury and the dumpster fire Raven offense last year he may still be able to produce as a quality all around RB again
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