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Who was the #1 WR in FF points/game last year? (1 Viewer)

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I did some quick math that put DJax as the #1WR in points/game in 2006. He had 10 TDs in 13 games. I used Yahoo! (I know, please don't comment, we've moved to MFL) for scoring.

I understand some big risks with him, namely his lingering injuries, his attitude, his new team and his developing (we hope) QB. However, he is still young (28) and what a year last year!

Is he rated so low because of his injuries?

 
He's also with a new team with a qb that has a long way to go to get to Hasslebeck levels.
I'm afraid that SF will look to be a run first team, getting the ball to Gore and playing good D. This differs from Seattle where they clearly looked to pass first.On the other hand, the receptions were getting diluted w/ Branch in Seattle, so going to SF could be a plus.
 
He's also with a new team with a qb that has a long way to go to get to Hasslebeck levels.
I'm afraid that SF will look to be a run first team, getting the ball to Gore and playing good D. This differs from Seattle where they clearly looked to pass first.On the other hand, the receptions were getting diluted w/ Branch in Seattle, so going to SF could be a plus.
On the other other hand, the Niners have a TE that can actually catch the football. IIRC, Gore caught over 60 passes. So DJax may be the #1 wr, he isn't the only receiving option.
 
I think Gore will have fewer passes because Smith is improving and they will want to allow Smith to use all his weapons (Gore, Davis, DJax, Lelie, Battle--not bad on paper). So, assuming the injuries work themselves out, I think DJax will have a decent number of targets.

 
He's also with a new team with a qb that has a long way to go to get to Hasslebeck levels.
I'm afraid that SF will look to be a run first team, getting the ball to Gore and playing good D. This differs from Seattle where they clearly looked to pass first.On the other hand, the receptions were getting diluted w/ Branch in Seattle, so going to SF could be a plus.
Seattle clearly looked to pass first?? Look, there were times last year when Holmgren wanted to make a point to establish the pass - when Alexander was hurt - ex. CHI - and they got waxed. He quickly got away from that. Seattle is not afraid to go into a drive looking to pass the ball, but I'm not sure I would call them a pass first team, especially considering they have a top 5 RB. What would steer me away from DJAX and thinking he will have the same success in SF is that you have to take into account the chemistry that Hass and DJAX clearly had. They both talked about it often duringtheir tenure and both made it sound like it was a rare thing. It is not something that Smith and Jackson will just develop overnight.
 
I think Battle could be the value play there, especially in PPR leagues.
If San Fran had brought in either DJax OR Lelie, I would be right on board with this line of thinking. Lots of competition there now, not including an expected improvement out of Vernon Davis.
I think you are overvaluing the quality of Lelie. He will be the 6th option on this offense, right behind the Alex Smith QB sneak.
 
I think Battle could be the value play there, especially in PPR leagues.
If San Fran had brought in either DJax OR Lelie, I would be right on board with this line of thinking. Lots of competition there now, not including an expected improvement out of Vernon Davis.
I think you are overvaluing the quality of Lelie. He will be the 6th option on this offense, right behind the Alex Smith QB sneak.
I think people will misunderestimate his impact. I say this as no big fan of Lelie.
 
I find it interesting that people think a fresh start in New England is all that Randy needs, but won't extend the same to Lelie.

Excuses for Randy Moss:

Played for a bad team.

Didn't have his heart in it.

Lelie comparison.

Played for a bad team. Check (Atlanta)

Didn't have his heart in it. Check (contract dispute with Denver his final year there).

 
-San Fran's offense threw for 2688 yards and 16 TD's last season

-Seattle's offense threw for 3361 yards and 26 TD's last season

These stats can't be ignored.

D-Jax is going to a much worst overal offense and at this time it is extremely difficult to project WR 1 numbers for a San Fran player. Last year their leading receiver A. Bryant had 733 yards and 3 TD's in 14 games. In 2005 B. Lloyd lead the team with 733 yards and 5 TD's.

 
I think Battle could be the value play there, especially in PPR leagues.
If San Fran had brought in either DJax OR Lelie, I would be right on board with this line of thinking. Lots of competition there now, not including an expected improvement out of Vernon Davis.
I think you are overvaluing the quality of Lelie. He will be the 6th option on this offense, right behind the Alex Smith QB sneak.
I think people will misunderestimate his impact. I say this as no big fan of Lelie.
:goodposting: As in Over-underestimate or Under-overestimate?

 
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I think Battle could be the value play there, especially in PPR leagues.
If San Fran had brought in either DJax OR Lelie, I would be right on board with this line of thinking. Lots of competition there now, not including an expected improvement out of Vernon Davis.
I think you are overvaluing the quality of Lelie. He will be the 6th option on this offense, right behind the Alex Smith QB sneak.
I think people will misunderestimate his impact. I say this as no big fan of Lelie.
"misunderestimate" = "overestimate"??? or "under-underestimate"??
 
I find it interesting that people think a fresh start in New England is all that Randy needs, but won't extend the same to Lelie.Excuses for Randy Moss:Played for a bad team.Didn't have his heart in it.Lelie comparison.Played for a bad team. Check (Atlanta)Didn't have his heart in it. Check (contract dispute with Denver his final year there).
I suspect Moss has a better track record than Lelie.ATL 2682/21 vs SF 2890/16. I'm not sure going to SF is that big an upgrade. Certainly, OAK --> NE is a lot better.
 
I think Battle could be the value play there, especially in PPR leagues.
If San Fran had brought in either DJax OR Lelie, I would be right on board with this line of thinking. Lots of competition there now, not including an expected improvement out of Vernon Davis.
I think you are overvaluing the quality of Lelie. He will be the 6th option on this offense, right behind the Alex Smith QB sneak.
I think people will misunderestimate his impact. I say this as no big fan of Lelie.
"misunderestimate" = "overestimate"??? or "under-underestimate"??
'Misuderestimate' = to wrongly underestimatepretty clear to me :bag:
 
I find it interesting that people think a fresh start in New England is all that Randy needs, but won't extend the same to Lelie.Excuses for Randy Moss:Played for a bad team.Didn't have his heart in it.Lelie comparison.Played for a bad team. Check (Atlanta)Didn't have his heart in it. Check (contract dispute with Denver his final year there).
I suspect Moss has a better track record than Lelie.ATL 2682/21 vs SF 2890/16. I'm not sure going to SF is that big an upgrade. Certainly, OAK --> NE is a lot better.
Since when has Lelie approached Moss' best numbers?I'll hang up and listen.
 
He's also with a new team with a qb that has a long way to go to get to Hasslebeck levels.
Does Alex Smith have a long way to go to get to Seneca Wallace levels?2006DJax w/ Wallace - 4.8 rpg, 79.6 ypg, .8 TDpgDjax w/ Hass - 4.875 rpg, 69.75 ypg, .75 TDpg
:bag:
S. Wallace in 5 games he played in as the starter last year 81 for 139 for 921 yards and 58% completion percentage as well as 8 TD'sOver a full season 2947 yards and 25 TD's.A. Smith in a full season.257 for 442 for 2890 yards and 58% completion percentage with 16 TD'sThe TD totals are key here.
 
I think Battle could be the value play there, especially in PPR leagues.
If San Fran had brought in either DJax OR Lelie, I would be right on board with this line of thinking. Lots of competition there now, not including an expected improvement out of Vernon Davis.
I think you are overvaluing the quality of Lelie. He will be the 6th option on this offense, right behind the Alex Smith QB sneak.
I think people will misunderestimate his impact. I say this as no big fan of Lelie.
"misunderestimate" = "overestimate"??? or "under-underestimate"??
'Misuderestimate' = to wrongly underestimatepretty clear to me :bag:
You can't coin words anymore. Misunderestimate = not in the dictionary. Regardless, using a term such as "misunderestimte" is unclear, which is the point the other poster was attempting to make. Do you think Lelie's impact will be more or less than what others think?
 
"'Misuderestimate' = to wrongly underestimate

pretty clear to me ;)"

Isn't an underestimate by defintion "wrong"??? Therefore "wrongly making a wrong estimate" would make a "right estimate", no??? :rolleyes:

 
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"'Misuderestimate' = to wrongly underestimatepretty clear to me ;)"Isn't an underestimate by defintion "wrong"??? Therefore "wrongly making a wrong estimate" would make a "right estimate", no??? :rolleyes:
Huh? My head hurts. I agree with Switz, you're no longer allowed to make words up. Let's stick to arguing over fantasy football, that's difficult enough.
 
"'Misuderestimate' = to wrongly underestimatepretty clear to me :unsure:"Isn't an underestimate by defintion "wrong"??? Therefore "wrongly making a wrong estimate" would make a "right estimate", no??? :rolleyes:
No... We can't even teach kids remedial English anymore ;)
 
-San Fran's offense threw for 2688 yards and 16 TD's last season-Seattle's offense threw for 3361 yards and 26 TD's last seasonThese stats can't be ignored.D-Jax is going to a much worst overal offense and at this time it is extremely difficult to project WR 1 numbers for a San Fran player. Last year their leading receiver A. Bryant had 733 yards and 3 TD's in 14 games. In 2005 B. Lloyd lead the team with 733 yards and 5 TD's.
Worst offense had one of the top RBs in 2006. Bryant/Lloyd = talent of DJax.San Fran is on the way up. Seattle is on the way down, IMHO.I understand your point, and don't pretend that DJax will have a better season, but even if it is close to last year's (and he stays healthy, a big if), he is top 5-10 WR.
 
I think Battle could be the value play there, especially in PPR leagues.
If San Fran had brought in either DJax OR Lelie, I would be right on board with this line of thinking. Lots of competition there now, not including an expected improvement out of Vernon Davis.
I think you are overvaluing the quality of Lelie. He will be the 6th option on this offense, right behind the Alex Smith QB sneak.
I think people will misunderestimate his impact. I say this as no big fan of Lelie.
:confused: As in Over-underestimate or Under-overestimate?
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I think someone needs to disambiguate what is meant by misunderestimate.

 
I think Battle could be the value play there, especially in PPR leagues.
If San Fran had brought in either DJax OR Lelie, I would be right on board with this line of thinking. Lots of competition there now, not including an expected improvement out of Vernon Davis.
I think you are overvaluing the quality of Lelie. He will be the 6th option on this offense, right behind the Alex Smith QB sneak.
I think people will misunderestimate his impact. I say this as no big fan of Lelie.
:hot: As in Over-underestimate or Under-overestimate?
:popcorn: :lmao: :lmao: I think someone needs to disambiguate what is meant by misunderestimate.
Nice!
 
I find it interesting that people think a fresh start in New England is all that Randy needs, but won't extend the same to Lelie.Excuses for Randy Moss:Played for a bad team.Didn't have his heart in it.Lelie comparison.Played for a bad team. Check (Atlanta)Didn't have his heart in it. Check (contract dispute with Denver his final year there).
Who has much much much more talent - Moss or Lelie? Moss: CheckWho has a much much much better QB - Moss or Lelie? Moss: CheckWho plays on a much much much better offense - Moss or Lelie? Moss: CheckI cannot believe we have to compare Moss to Lelie nowadays.....geez
 
I think Battle could be the value play there, especially in PPR leagues.
If San Fran had brought in either DJax OR Lelie, I would be right on board with this line of thinking. Lots of competition there now, not including an expected improvement out of Vernon Davis.
I think you are overvaluing the quality of Lelie. He will be the 6th option on this offense, right behind the Alex Smith QB sneak.
I think people will misunderestimate his impact. I say this as no big fan of Lelie.
:thumbup: As in Over-underestimate or Under-overestimate?
:thumbup: :lmao: :lmao: I think someone needs to disambiguate what is meant by misunderestimate.
Sounds like someone is having a little fun with a popular BushismNi!

 
Maybe we are under valuing Branch then? The Seattle #1 has always put up good numbers...and Branch is every bit as talented as DJax, IMO....with better hands.

 
I think Battle could be the value play there, especially in PPR leagues.
If San Fran had brought in either DJax OR Lelie, I would be right on board with this line of thinking. Lots of competition there now, not including an expected improvement out of Vernon Davis.
I think you are overvaluing the quality of Lelie. He will be the 6th option on this offense, right behind the Alex Smith QB sneak.
I think people will misunderestimate his impact. I say this as no big fan of Lelie.
:goodposting: As in Over-underestimate or Under-overestimate?
:thumbup: :unsure: :lol: I think someone needs to disambiguate what is meant by misunderestimate.
Sounds like someone is having a little fun with a popular BushismNi!
AWESOME!
Constructing neologisms such as "tacular"[7][8][9] (a portmanteau of "tactical" and "nucular") and "misunderestimated" ("misunderstood" and "underestimated").[10]
 
Maybe we are under valuing Branch then? The Seattle #1 has always put up good numbers...and Branch is every bit as talented as DJax, IMO....with better hands.
Ummm.... :no: DJAX has got to be the most underappreciated WR in FF.
 
He's also with a new team with a qb that has a long way to go to get to Hasslebeck levels.
Does Alex Smith have a long way to go to get to Seneca Wallace levels?2006DJax w/ Wallace - 4.8 rpg, 79.6 ypg, .8 TDpgDjax w/ Hass - 4.875 rpg, 69.75 ypg, .75 TDpg
:sleep:
S. Wallace in 5 games he played in as the starter last year 81 for 139 for 921 yards and 58% completion percentage as well as 8 TD'sOver a full season 2947 yards and 25 TD's.A. Smith in a full season.257 for 442 for 2890 yards and 58% completion percentage with 16 TD'sThe TD totals are key here.
And why do we think those TD totals are different - perhaps it has something to do with the weapons the QB had to throw too? Partially, at least?QB's can help a WR the same a WR can help a QB - TO helped McNabb, Moss will help Brady and vice-versa. Also A Smith is young, developing QB. The more weapons placed around this kid, the more he is set up to develope with an upward trend - as he gets better and his weapons get better, his #'s will have to get better and DJax's numbers sustained to some degree.
 
I'll make you a sig bet that Branch goes over 1000 yds with 8 tds this year.
I'm not sure what your point is... or who you are replying to... but if your argument is that Branch is a better talent than DJAXDJAX had 956 yards and 10TDs in 13 games last year... He's only missed 1000 yards once in a complete season, and that was as a roookieHe's only missed 1100 yards twice, once as a rookie, and once by 19 yards in his second seasonOutside of his rookie season he's only failed to score 8 TDs once in a healthy season, he scored 7 that year.Add to that DJAX played quite a few seasons where KROB was a solid alternative on the other side of the field, as well as sure handed Engram, and TEs Fauria and Stevans.This year Branch is pretty much the only option. I would hope he gets 1000 yards and 8 TDs. :sleep:
 
I'll make you a sig bet that Branch goes over 1000 yds with 8 tds this year.
I'm not sure what your point is... or who you are replying to... but if your argument is that Branch is a better talent than DJAXDJAX had 956 yards and 10TDs in 13 games last year... He's only missed 1000 yards once in a complete season, and that was as a roookieHe's only missed 1100 yards twice, once as a rookie, and once by 19 yards in his second seasonOutside of his rookie season he's only failed to score 8 TDs once in a healthy season, he scored 7 that year.Add to that DJAX played quite a few seasons where KROB was a solid alternative on the other side of the field, as well as sure handed Engram, and TEs Fauria and Stevans.This year Branch is pretty much the only option. I would hope he gets 1000 yards and 8 TDs. :unsure:
Hackett is just as capable as Krob, who dropped half his targets...and Engram is still the slot rec. Pollard is older than Stevens but isn't a huge downgrade. Branch has had one year experience in the offense, and should be able to put up similar numbers as DJax if given the opportunity.
 
I'll make you a sig bet that Branch goes over 1000 yds with 8 tds this year.
I'm not sure what your point is... or who you are replying to... but if your argument is that Branch is a better talent than DJAXDJAX had 956 yards and 10TDs in 13 games last year... He's only missed 1000 yards once in a complete season, and that was as a roookieHe's only missed 1100 yards twice, once as a rookie, and once by 19 yards in his second seasonOutside of his rookie season he's only failed to score 8 TDs once in a healthy season, he scored 7 that year.Add to that DJAX played quite a few seasons where KROB was a solid alternative on the other side of the field, as well as sure handed Engram, and TEs Fauria and Stevans.This year Branch is pretty much the only option. I would hope he gets 1000 yards and 8 TDs. :boxing:
Hackett is just as capable as Krob, who dropped half his targets...and Engram is still the slot rec. Pollard is older than Stevens but isn't a huge downgrade. Branch has had one year experience in the offense, and should be able to put up similar numbers as DJax if given the opportunity.
OK, Hackett is as capable as KRob? Um, no. KRob might be a drunk, but he's heads and tails above Hackett in talent.In his second season alone KRob put up more points than Hackett has in his career.Engram is getting very long in the tooth, and his skills have diminished the last couple of years. Last season he saw the fewest catches he ever has as a Seahawk. Last year DJax played in less games than Branch and still had more yards, more receptions, a higher YPR, and scored over twice as many TDs.
 
switz said:
I'll make you a sig bet that Branch goes over 1000 yds with 8 tds this year.
I'm not sure what your point is... or who you are replying to... but if your argument is that Branch is a better talent than DJAXDJAX had 956 yards and 10TDs in 13 games last year... He's only missed 1000 yards once in a complete season, and that was as a roookieHe's only missed 1100 yards twice, once as a rookie, and once by 19 yards in his second seasonOutside of his rookie season he's only failed to score 8 TDs once in a healthy season, he scored 7 that year.Add to that DJAX played quite a few seasons where KROB was a solid alternative on the other side of the field, as well as sure handed Engram, and TEs Fauria and Stevans.This year Branch is pretty much the only option. I would hope he gets 1000 yards and 8 TDs. :)
Hackett is just as capable as Krob, who dropped half his targets...and Engram is still the slot rec. Pollard is older than Stevens but isn't a huge downgrade. Branch has had one year experience in the offense, and should be able to put up similar numbers as DJax if given the opportunity.
OK, Hackett is as capable as KRob? Um, no. KRob might be a drunk, but he's heads and tails above Hackett in talent.In his second season alone KRob put up more points than Hackett has in his career.Engram is getting very long in the tooth, and his skills have diminished the last couple of years. Last season he saw the fewest catches he ever has as a Seahawk. Last year DJax played in less games than Branch and still had more yards, more receptions, a higher YPR, and scored over twice as many TDs.
That's because Branch was learning a new system....look at the track record on players first year in a system. Why don't we just see what happens. I would bet Branch puts up respectable numbers this year as Seattle's WR1. I have him for 1116 yd and 8 td.
 
[since when has Lelie approached Moss' best numbers?I'll hang up and listen.
Thank you for arguing against a point I didn't make.If Randy can return to "old Randy" Lelie can return to "old Lelie".Points I am not making for future readers of this threada) Lelie is as good as Mossb) The 49ers are as good as the Patsc) Lelie will be a top 10 WRPoints I am making.a) The presence of Lelie diminishes Arnaz Battle's sleeper potentialb) Lelie could put up a solid 700-800ish 4-6 TD season as the #2.
 
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I think Battle could be the value play there, especially in PPR leagues.
If San Fran had brought in either DJax OR Lelie, I would be right on board with this line of thinking. Lots of competition there now, not including an expected improvement out of Vernon Davis.
I think you are overvaluing the quality of Lelie. He will be the 6th option on this offense, right behind the Alex Smith QB sneak.
I think people will misunderestimate his impact. I say this as no big fan of Lelie.
:) As in Over-underestimate or Under-overestimate?
:) :) :lmao: I think someone needs to disambiguate what is meant by misunderestimate.
Sounds like someone is having a little fun with a popular BushismNi!
Thank you.I tried to work "make the pie higher" into the thread, but it didn't fit.

 
-San Fran's offense threw for 2688 yards and 16 TD's last season-Seattle's offense threw for 3361 yards and 26 TD's last seasonThese stats can't be ignored.
Here's another stat that can't be ignored. 956 yards and 10 TDs just left Seattle for San Francisco. The difference between their passing stats last year was literally one Darrell Jackson.
D-Jax is going to a much worst overal offense
You also can't ignore the upgrades San Fran has been making on that side of the ball. I look at their top 3 WRs (DJax, Lelie, Battle) and see a very potent and deep 1-2-3 punch. Oh there's this Vernon Davis kid too. They have a respectable run game thanks to Frank Gore.The pieces are there. Who would be genuinely surprised if San Fran had a top 10 (yardage or scoring) offense this year? Very few I suspect since it's plausible when you look at them. We WOULD be surprised if say Cleveland had a top 10 offense this year. The pieces aren't there.
 
switz said:
I'll make you a sig bet that Branch goes over 1000 yds with 8 tds this year.
I'm not sure what your point is... or who you are replying to... but if your argument is that Branch is a better talent than DJAXDJAX had 956 yards and 10TDs in 13 games last year...

He's only missed 1000 yards once in a complete season, and that was as a roookie

He's only missed 1100 yards twice, once as a rookie, and once by 19 yards in his second season

Outside of his rookie season he's only failed to score 8 TDs once in a healthy season, he scored 7 that year.

Add to that DJAX played quite a few seasons where KROB was a solid alternative on the other side of the field, as well as sure handed Engram, and TEs Fauria and Stevans.

This year Branch is pretty much the only option. I would hope he gets 1000 yards and 8 TDs. :shrug:
Hackett is just as capable as Krob, who dropped half his targets...and Engram is still the slot rec. Pollard is older than Stevens but isn't a huge downgrade. Branch has had one year experience in the offense, and should be able to put up similar numbers as DJax if given the opportunity.
OK, Hackett is as capable as KRob? Um, no. KRob might be a drunk, but he's heads and tails above Hackett in talent.In his second season alone KRob put up more points than Hackett has in his career.

Engram is getting very long in the tooth, and his skills have diminished the last couple of years. Last season he saw the fewest catches he ever has as a Seahawk.

Last year DJax played in less games than Branch and still had more yards, more receptions, a higher YPR, and scored over twice as many TDs.
that is because he was out with a kidney infection or something for like 8 games. I doubt he will have a recurrence of that...
 
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I've always really liked D.Jax but the one thing that scares me is the lingering turf toe. A few weeks back they were discussing it on Sirius NFL Radio (can't remember if it was "Moving the Chains" or Pat Kerwin's show.) At the time there was talk of DJax feeling discomfort from just walking and they said that he'll most likely suffer from this the rest of his carear.

(Before someone screams for a link, it was on Sirius NFL Radio, I'll search and see if I can come up with something in print form.)

Personally, I'll be watching him closely in pre-season to see how he's running.

 

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