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Who will be the Fantasy MVP this year? (2 Viewers)

stuckinthemuck

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Tom Brady seems to be 100% cured. With his wide receivers operating at full capacity I think Brady will have a comfortable lead atop the standings at the end of the year. Randy Moss might steal a few first place votes too. My dark horse candidate is Brandon Jacobs.

1. Tom Brady

2. Randy Moss

3. Brandon Jacobs

4. Philip Rivers

5. Andre Johnson

Comeback player: Big Ben

Rookie of the Year: Donald Brown

 
I'd go:

1. Moss, he will out score the #2 WR by a far larger margin than Brady or the #1 RB IMO.

2. MJD, I think he will break out and have a Holmes-like year.

3. Brady, Will post huge number but so will Brees and at least 1 other QB IMO.

 
Ok I will play. PPR scoring in my world.

MVP - Randy Moss

QB of the year - Tom Brady

RB of the year - Adrian Peterson

WR of the year - Anquan Boldin

TE of the year - Kellen Winslow Jr

Rookie of the year - Knowshon Moreno

The "it was no fluke 2nd year award" - Steve Slaton

Biggest Bust - MJD

Comeback Players of the year :

QB - Matt Hasselback

RB - Larry Johnson

WR - Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson

TE - Jeremy Shockey

 
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Todem said:
Ok I will play. PPR scoring in my world.MVP - Randy MossQB of the year - Tom BradyRB of the year - Adrian PetersonWR of the year - Anquan BoldinTE of the year - Kellen Winslow JrRookie of the year - Knowshon MorenoThe "it was no fluke 2nd year award" - Steve SlatonBiggest Bust - MJDComeback Players of the year :QB - Matt HasselbackRB - Larry JohnsonWR - Chad "Ocho Cinco" JohnsonTE - Jeremy Shockey
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TE of the year Dustin KellerNo way Winslow even sniff's top 5 TE this year, or ever for that matter. Dude can barely walk let alone play at a high level. His piss poor attitude er....injuries will keep him out of games in the 2nd half of the year when the Bucs have nothing to play for.This coming from a dude who supported Winslow unconditionally his entire career.
 
QB of the year: Payton Manning

RB of the year: A.P.

WR of the year: Calvin Johnson

TE of the year: Z. Miller Oakland

Busts of the year

RB: Dwill car

WR: All Cardinal WR's, Warner gets hurt

QB: Brady, where he's being drafted, I don't see 50 or even 40 td passes, more like 28

Rookie of the year: Percy Harvin the next "baby moss"

 
Todem said:
Ok I will play. PPR scoring in my world.MVP - Adrian PetersonQB of the year - Rodgers/McNabbRB of the year - Adrian PetersonWR of the year - MossTE of the year - Miller (Zach, not Heath)Rookie of the year - Knowshon MorenoThe "it was no fluke 2nd year award" - DeAngelo WilliamsBiggest Bust - TurnerCinderella story - Bryant JohnsonComeback Players of the year :QB - BradyRB - BensonWR - BurlesonTE - Shockey
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QB - Matt Schaub

RB - MJD

WR - Colston

TE - Witten

Rookie MVP - Donald Brown

Comeback player - Antonio Gates

Breakout player - Anthony Gonzalez

last but not least, the award for "my last year as a first round pick"...........Ladanian Tomlinson

 
Qb: Brady...duh

RB: Deangelo williams

Wr: Moss

TE: Witten

Overall MVP: Brady

Comeback player of the year: Shockey

Breakout: Chris Henry

 
Adrian Peterson, as he challenges the single-season rushing record.

Top QB -- Drew Brees

Top RB -- Peterson, followed by Steven Jackson

Top WR -- Andre Johnson

Top TE -- Dallas Clark

Breakout player -- Pierre Thomas/Ray Rice

Rookie of the year -- Donald Brown

Bust of the year (relative to where he's being drafted) -- Matt Forte

 
QB of the year - Aaron Rodgers

RB of the year - MJD

WR of the year - Calvin Johnson

TE of the year - Greg Olsen

Rookie of the year - Mark Sanchez

Biggest Bust - Steven Jackson

 
I really like Aaron Rodgers this year. Great talent with great talent around him + added experience...he looks primed to have a huge season

 
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The #1 guy overall is going to be whichever guy just gets a hair up his ### in the offseason and regular season, or goes for that big contract, or goes after his first playoff/Superbowl win, or decides he can set a record. Whether it's forcing a pass into coverage, or staying at the gym a little later, or sleeping with the playbook, or watching video until you see double, or maybe sneaking the clear and the cream, it's the behind the scenes stuff that we'll never know about that makes these guys blow up. We all go through ebbs and flows in our working lives, and these guys are no different. And it's not just them - if the coach feels like they need to lean on their star, they'll act differently than if they know that they have a quality backup to turn to. Ask Adrian Peterson if he got as many carries as he would have if Chester Taylor weren't there.

Guys who have a shot? At quarterback, Brady may try to prove he's back, but I don't think he'll set a record again. Palmer and Hasselbeck may just be dying to get back into the upper echelon conversation. A guy like Brees may try to go after the record after getting so close he could taste it, but I think last year we saw his absolute best. I'm not sure he can sustain it. Same thing goes with Aaron Rodgers - he played with a chip on his shoulder last year. This year, he may dial it back a little.

DeAngelo blew up last year when he finally got a shot and the team drafted a replacement in the first round. A lot of people expect a regression, and IMO that's realistic, but mostly because the team doesn't need to lean on him, and he isn't quite as worried as he was before. At running back, Adrian Peterson may go hard after that 2000 yards. That's a real goal, and if he gets off to a good start, I'd expect him to put absolutely everything into it down the stretch. Jones-Drew? I don't think he's got the same motivation. He might be an excellent player, and I don't know him from adam, but all I know is that he got annointed the starter because the guy he'd been working so hard to outshine over the years finally left. Chances are pretty good that we saw the results of him trying real hard, and we're about to see what it looks like when he can finally ease off the throttle for a while. Julius Jones is a guy I like to try to prove he can do it. Steve Slaton was as motivated as could be, but I don't know how he'll handle it now that there's nobody pushing him. He's got a great situation, but he could be in for a sophomore slump. A guy like Westbrook, on the other hand, may see the writing on the wall with McCoy and realize he needs to bust his hump to keep his job. A guy like McGahee or Rice might work a little harder, knowing that he has to worry about the other. I'd love Addai this year to try to beat out the rookie, but the rookie looks good, he's failed to rise to the occasion before with Rhodes, and the coaches have already spelled out their roles, which is just stupid IMO.

At receiver, I kind of think Terrell Owens might be the guy early on - he sure was with Philly. But then we hear reports that he's kind of slacking off in Buffalo, and I'm not so sure. Most WRs are really reliant on their QB and teammates, which means that even if they're trying hard, they might fall off. I love Wes Welker, but I kind of worry that his production will dial back now that New England has Galloway, Lewis, and even this Edelman kid who can take some pressure off him. I love Royal, and he rose to the occasion the first time he was the #1, but that team is such a mess and I don't know if it was him or Cutler.

A couple guys I think have the motivation to take a shot at the best year of their career? At RB, I mentioned Adrian Peterson, of course, but also Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, Julius Jones, Marion Barber, Ronnie Brown, Brian Westbrook, Darren McFadden, Reggie Bush, Cedric Benson, one of Rice/McGahee, and one of Ward/Graham. At QB, Palmer, Hasselbeck, Trent Edwards, and on a lesser scale, Jason Campbell, may all surprise this year. They must be dying for their shot. At WR, it's a little trickier, but I think one of 85/Coles/Henry may actually try hard this year (who knows which one), Randy Moss, Colston, Lee Evans, Devin Hester, Deion Branch, and maybe Torry Holt could all blow up this year.

That's not to say I'd change my draft strategy to get all those guys, but I'm looking for guys who didn't exactly blow up last year, have shown signs of having the talent to blow up but for whatever reason haven't reached their potential or have had roadblocks of some sort, and who have some perceived slight, or somebody pushing them, or some new opportunity, but nothing handed to them. I'm sure there are others.

 
:moneybag:

bostonfred has posted the most intelligent FF post I think I have ever read. To me its about guessing the "softer" issues that bostonfred speaks of rather than the yards and TD's.

Who wants it more and has the opportunity.

My guess: Bellicheat/Brady/Moss seemed primed to make a huge statement. 11 wins and missing the playoffs? Watch out.

 
Hey Fred,

I enjoyed reading your post. I'm not a Tomlinson fan more than any other player but behind your motivational way of thinking, wouldn't he qualify? Most critics are saying he's on the decline of his career and that his backup outplayed him most of last year. What about Donovan McNabb, does the signing of Vick push him to perform to another level?

 
L_O_D said:
:rant: bostonfred has posted the most intelligent FF post I think I have ever read. To me its about guessing the "softer" issues that bostonfred speaks of rather than the yards and TD's. Who wants it more and has the opportunity. My guess: Bellicheat/Brady/Moss seemed primed to make a huge statement. 11 wins and missing the playoffs? Watch out.
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That's my line of thinking as well. Brady has to be out to prove something after going undefeated and losing in the SB then getting knocked out in 5 minutes of last season. The entire team has to be a little salty after going 11-5 and getting the leagues top 1 or 2 QB back is going to be tough to stop.I don't see them holding back either, you go 11 and 5 and don't go to the playoffs, they're going to put an exclamation point on every win they can.
 
I just don't see the MVP being someone who is drafted in round 1. They would really have have a record breaking year. Not just a record for them or their team but an NFL record breaking year. I can't see Brady having another year like that after being injured like he was. If Brady doesn't have that year then Moss doesn't have that year. The only first rounder that is even capable of having a year like that is Peterson. I just don't think he gets enough TDs. He may have 2000+ yards but he's going to need 20 tds to go with it. Not to say he's not worth 1.1. He is. It's just that he has to outshine people much more to make him the fantasy MVP. I think guys like Schaub, Boldin, and Slaton dont' have to set records to be the MVP. Williams last year is a great example. If Boldin is healthy the whole year he could be in the running. Same with Schaub. I think the MVP is often the guy who just ridiculously outperforms his ADP. It's hard to do that at 1.1.

 
I really like Schaub to do this.

Also, I think that it could be guys you grab late like Choice, McGahee, for almost zero cost.

And Zach Miller.

ETA: Now that Shilens is out.......................

 
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Traders2001 said:
Binky The Doormat said:
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Steve Slaton
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:lmao: not a chance without those goal-line looks and it's been made clear by coaching staff CB owns that role.1)Moss2)Brady3)Fitzi have a feeling brady and moss could challenge their record breaking seasons of 07'.
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Can you attach a link to the CB reference?
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It s all over the place , maybe you just skip those reports when you see them .
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I haven't seen a quote from the coaching staff that says Chris Brown is the goalline back, could you attach a link?
 
It's hard not to vote for Brady and Moss, but I'd like to give a nod to Greg Jennings at WR. Pass happy offense, great QB, entering prime and graduate of Fitz's WR camp.

Also: Brandon Jacobs plays 16 this year. Believe in the dream.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Hey Fred,I enjoyed reading your post. I'm not a Tomlinson fan more than any other player but behind your motivational way of thinking, wouldn't he qualify? Most critics are saying he's on the decline of his career and that his backup outplayed him most of last year. What about Donovan McNabb, does the signing of Vick push him to perform to another level?
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As I see it, Tomlinson has every reason to work hard to stay the lead back, but people are already talking about putting him in the HoF. Now he can focus on winning a championship, and the coaches will encourage him to play well with Sproles and not overload himself. That's not to say he'll rest on his laurels, but I don't think he's going to be fighting for more playing time the way Harrison did when Wayne started to emerge, or refusing to teach Sproles what he knows the way Favre did at first. I know that kind of contradicts what I said about Westbrook, since I said McCoy is going to push him. The differences are that 1) Sproles was already there last year, so there's no new motivation, and 2) we've already seen the best of Tomlinson year in and year out, so there's not really another gear for him to turn to. I think we've seen the best Westbrook has to offer, too, except one thing - he's missed time in the past with relatively small injuries. In the past, Buckhalter was a reasonable short term replacement, but Westbrook was still the straw that stirred the drink. This year, they drafted a Westbrook clone. I think he'll be champing at the bit to stay on the field where he might have been more likely to try to get healthy before. Parcells used to say that if you give a man an excuse to fail, he will. I'm not saying that that's the only thing that matters in judging fantasy talent - Manning will still put up good numbers this year, just maybe not quite as good as he did when he was going for the record - and I certainly don't have a comprehensive list of guys who have an excuse to fail or who are extra motivated to blow up this year. But if you look at their situations, I'd bet you can find a couple guys who have just that little bit more edge to succeed, and those are the guys you want.
 
bostonfred said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Hey Fred,I enjoyed reading your post. I'm not a Tomlinson fan more than any other player but behind your motivational way of thinking, wouldn't he qualify? Most critics are saying he's on the decline of his career and that his backup outplayed him most of last year. What about Donovan McNabb, does the signing of Vick push him to perform to another level?
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As I see it, Tomlinson has every reason to work hard to stay the lead back, but people are already talking about putting him in the HoF. Now he can focus on winning a championship, and the coaches will encourage him to play well with Sproles and not overload himself. That's not to say he'll rest on his laurels, but I don't think he's going to be fighting for more playing time the way Harrison did when Wayne started to emerge, or refusing to teach Sproles what he knows the way Favre did at first. I know that kind of contradicts what I said about Westbrook, since I said McCoy is going to push him. The differences are that 1) Sproles was already there last year, so there's no new motivation, and 2) we've already seen the best of Tomlinson year in and year out, so there's not really another gear for him to turn to. I think we've seen the best Westbrook has to offer, too, except one thing - he's missed time in the past with relatively small injuries. In the past, Buckhalter was a reasonable short term replacement, but Westbrook was still the straw that stirred the drink. This year, they drafted a Westbrook clone. I think he'll be champing at the bit to stay on the field where he might have been more likely to try to get healthy before. Parcells used to say that if you give a man an excuse to fail, he will. I'm not saying that that's the only thing that matters in judging fantasy talent - Manning will still put up good numbers this year, just maybe not quite as good as he did when he was going for the record - and I certainly don't have a comprehensive list of guys who have an excuse to fail or who are extra motivated to blow up this year. But if you look at their situations, I'd bet you can find a couple guys who have just that little bit more edge to succeed, and those are the guys you want.
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Bostonfred. I have to agree with the other gentleman that commented that your post is right on! Anyone can assume what a player may get but in reality anything can happen on any given sunday! i.e. you Brady lovers! You really need to look deep into such things like desire, motivation, contract, respectibility, and endurance!I personally am a huge Eagles fan and do not like to draft "favorite players" since it usually can come back to bite a fantasy football player in the ###. regardless though your thoughts on Westbrook are right on and a reason why I am thinking of taking him if he is avaialbable. If I can get him in the 2 round than I beleive he may be the steal. Of course health is a concern, as posted 100 times a day, but this is a concern for any player. The way Mccoy has practice/played up tot his point is a big reason why on alot of local sites I comment on we are seeing more and more about Westbrook coming back sooooo strong! he feels that it is getting to that time in his career, but knows he still has premium in the tank! I think he has a HUGE year personally and regardless of fantasy, even if I don't get him, I still want the Birds to take Miami more than anything! Go Birds! FLY EAGLES FLY
 
It would be helpful if someone volunteered to tally the votes and compare the tally to actual year-end results.

OK, I think that’s me.

Because of the wide variety of responses I’m going to use Enron-like accounting. BostonFred’s posts were too intelligent for a simple tally like this, too. :thumbup:

I’m also adding a category: Value (Breakout) Pick of the Year. This is good stuff. Where was Kurt Warner drafted in your league last year?

MVP:

Randy Moss 3

Adrian Peterson 2

Tom Brady 2

MJD 2

Steven Jackson 2

LT 1

Aaron Rogers 1

Steve Slaton 1



Also receiving votes:

QB of the year

Tom Brady 5

Peyton Manning 1

Donovan McNabb 1

Matt Schaub 1

Drew Brees 1

Aaron Rogers 1

RB of the year

MJD 4 (1 for PPR)

Brandon Jacobs 2

DeAngelo Williams 2 (1 for non-PPR)

Adrian Peterson 1

Steven Jackson 1

WR of the year

Randy Moss 3

Calvin Johnson 3

Andre Johnson 2

Anquan Boldin 1

Larry Fitzgerald 1

Greg Jennings 1

Marques Colston 1

TE of the year

Jason Witten 3

Kellen Winslow Jr 1

Dustin Keller 1

Zach Miller 1

Antonio Gates 1

Dallas Clark 1

Greg Olsen 1

Rookie of the year

Donald Brown 2

Percy Harvin

Mark Sanchez

Comeback of the year

Big Ben

Hasselbeck

Larry Johnson

85

Jeremy Shockey

Value (Breakout) Pick of the year

Ray Rice 2

Darren McFadden

Matt Schaub

Matt Cassel

Anthony Gonzalez

Pierre Thomas

Matt Schaub

Tashard Choice

Willis McGahee

Zach Miller

Busts of the Year

DeAngelo Williams

Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin…throw in Breaston too

Tom Brady

Matt Forte

Steven Jackson

 
Todem said:
Ok I will play. PPR scoring in my world.MVP - Randy MossQB of the year - Tom BradyRB of the year - Adrian PetersonWR of the year - Anquan BoldinTE of the year - Kellen Winslow JrRookie of the year - Knowshon MorenoThe "it was no fluke 2nd year award" - Steve SlatonBiggest Bust - MJDComeback Players of the year :QB - Matt HasselbackRB - Larry JohnsonWR - Chad "Ocho Cinco" JohnsonTE - Jeremy Shockey
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Please explain how Moss can be MVP but not WR of the year. TIA . . .
 
David Yudkin said:
Todem said:
Ok I will play. PPR scoring in my world.MVP - Randy MossQB of the year - Tom BradyRB of the year - Adrian PetersonWR of the year - Anquan BoldinTE of the year - Kellen Winslow JrRookie of the year - Knowshon MorenoThe "it was no fluke 2nd year award" - Steve SlatonBiggest Bust - MJDComeback Players of the year :QB - Matt HasselbackRB - Larry JohnsonWR - Chad "Ocho Cinco" JohnsonTE - Jeremy Shockey
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Please explain how Moss can be MVP but not WR of the year. TIA . . .
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ceo3west said:
Traders2001 said:
Binky The Doormat said:
moderated said:
Slider said:
Steve Slaton
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:goodposting: not a chance without those goal-line looks and it's been made clear by coaching staff CB owns that role.1)Moss2)Brady3)Fitzi have a feeling brady and moss could challenge their record breaking seasons of 07'.
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Can you attach a link to the CB reference?
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It s all over the place , maybe you just skip those reports when you see them .
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I haven't seen a quote from the coaching staff that says Chris Brown is the goalline back, could you attach a link?
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nope, because one doesn't exist.
 
Todem said:
Ok I will play. PPR scoring in my world.MVP - Randy MossQB of the year - Tom BradyRB of the year - Adrian PetersonWR of the year - Anquan BoldinTE of the year - Kellen Winslow JrRookie of the year - Knowshon MorenoThe "it was no fluke 2nd year award" - Steve SlatonBiggest Bust - MJDComeback Players of the year :QB - Matt HasselbackRB - Larry JohnsonWR - Chad "Ocho Cinco" JohnsonTE - Jeremy Shockey
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:shrug: good stuff ! :pokey: I'd only disagree on Moss, I think too many people expect another career year out of him, and I doubt that's what happens..K. Winslow is a nice pick for TE of the year..Shockey? good choice! I might also change rookie of the year, don't think Moreno will be nearly what people think..I'd go with Donald Brown or McCoy instead, just my opinion..I don't buy the whole Denver RB thing, it's not going to be what it was under Mike Shanahan..Orton scares me, Simms is just OK, he's nothing special...Denver might see 8 man fronts all year long, and they play perhaps the toughest 9 game stretch (in the middle of the season) of any team in the NFL..I just don't see how Moreno can be rookie of the year unless he's a Barry Sanders clone..and then there's Hillis, who by all accounts, is tearing it up in preseason, and he's just another RB that Moreno will have to split time with..Donald Brown plays in a more dynamic offense, behind or alongside an oft-injured RB in Joe Addai..for Brown, it's only a matter of time before he is `the guy '...MJD, IMO, will not handle the rigors of a NFL starting RB, he's never been a featured RB before, he's this year's version of what Marion Barber was last year, a major flop as a starting RB..I'll addcomes out of nowhere to finish in the RB top 5 - Ray Rice
 
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The #1 guy overall is going to be whichever guy just gets a hair up his ### in the offseason and regular season, or goes for that big contract, or goes after his first playoff/Superbowl win, or decides he can set a record...At quarterback,... with Aaron Rodgers - he played with a chip on his shoulder last year. This year, he may dial it back a little.
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I would've said the same thing about Rodgers last week - but I have a feeling Favre in Minny causes him (and the whole Packer team) to dial it UP if anything. They'll be fighting each other in the standings week in and week out, no way does Rodgers dial it back now - He'll probably have an even BIGGER chip on his shoulder, no?
 
It has got to be ADP. With Favre in the fold there will be no more stacking the line. I by no means am a Favre lover but he mixes great with that team. ADP hands down the fantasy MVP

 
It's interesting to see how polarizing MJD is on this thread? It's either MVP or flop in most people's opinions. Even in a non-ppr league I'm having trouble envisioning MJD flopping because he can't handle the load. My only concern is that Jags pull a St. Louis of last year (i.e. a great RB in the stable, but a crappy team around him).

 
greggorymac said:
It's interesting to see how polarizing MJD is on this thread? It's either MVP or flop in most people's opinions. Even in a non-ppr league I'm having trouble envisioning MJD flopping because he can't handle the load. My only concern is that Jags pull a St. Louis of last year (i.e. a great RB in the stable, but a crappy team around him).
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Last year, at the end of our season, I made a trade to acquire a keeper. I got to choose between MJD or Slaton.I chose Slaton.
 
greggorymac said:
It's interesting to see how polarizing MJD is on this thread? It's either MVP or flop in most people's opinions. Even in a non-ppr league I'm having trouble envisioning MJD flopping because he can't handle the load. My only concern is that Jags pull a St. Louis of last year (i.e. a great RB in the stable, but a crappy team around him).
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IMO, JAX had OL injury issues for 2 or 3 of their lineman pretty much out of the box last year. Thos eguys are healthy and they drafted two OT in the first and second rounds of the draft this year.I'm guessing this year's JAX line will be way better than the STL is/was.
 
David Yudkin said:
greggorymac said:
It's interesting to see how polarizing MJD is on this thread? It's either MVP or flop in most people's opinions. Even in a non-ppr league I'm having trouble envisioning MJD flopping because he can't handle the load. My only concern is that Jags pull a St. Louis of last year (i.e. a great RB in the stable, but a crappy team around him).
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IMO, JAX had OL injury issues for 2 or 3 of their lineman pretty much out of the box last year. Thos eguys are healthy and they drafted two OT in the first and second rounds of the draft this year.I'm guessing this year's JAX line will be way better than the STL is/was.
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Plus Jackson was still top 3 in PPG with that crappy team. I wouldn't worry too much about that being a factor.
 
Mark me down for Boldin. After feeling disrespected by managment for not giving him the huge deal they gave Fitz, he will play angry and insane this year.

 
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