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Who's better in a Dynasty? (1 Viewer)
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I think if the offense is ever worth a damn, Johnson's upside is limitless. But, thus far, they've held him back. If Schaub proves a huge improvement, he has the ability to finish top 5, I'm not predicting that, but it's not out of the question.
I love Braylon too, was one of my favorite college receivers ever. Sadly, the qb situation is bad for him this year, and if Quinn doesn't get in soon, it may be 2010 before his first good season as a pro, even then I think Braylon has the pure talent to be a top 15 receiver for fantasy this year. If Lewis is able to move the ball, it may become top 12ish.
Right now I go with Johnson, as bad as it is, I like the offense in Houston better, and I think he's the more talented of the two.
I love Braylon too, was one of my favorite college receivers ever. Sadly, the qb situation is bad for him this year, and if Quinn doesn't get in soon, it may be 2010 before his first good season as a pro, even then I think Braylon has the pure talent to be a top 15 receiver for fantasy this year. If Lewis is able to move the ball, it may become top 12ish.
Right now I go with Johnson, as bad as it is, I like the offense in Houston better, and I think he's the more talented of the two.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Andre Johnson
Braylon Edwards
Braylon Edwards
Irish
Footballguy
DenverBroncos
Footballguy
Is this your 1st year of fantasy football?
No, it's my 6th year with 3 championships.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Did the cat and dog.......ah, forget it.
Seriously dude...
DenverBroncos
Footballguy
Dude, you're an amateur just admit it. I'll take an invite as well to any league where you "allegedly" won a championship. Age is irrelevant with these two cats.
PantherPower
Footballguy
in his defense, Edwards does have a BOATLOAD of talent...that being said, he plays on the Browns. AJ wins in a landslide. Put Edwards on another team, and i don't think this would be a crazy question.
Irish
Footballguy
If Edwards has a "boatload" of talent then AJ has a "Cruise ship" of talent. Does not matter what team they play on. AJ>>>>>>>Edwards
DenverBroncos
Footballguy
I'm looking at 61 rec, 884 yards, 6 tds, 24 years old VS average of 82 rec, 1000 yards, 5 tds, 26 years old.Where there is a difference between those numbers it's not a huge gap when it comes to the differences between their fantasy points. So no, I don't think this is a horrible question. I do believe that Johnson is a safer choice because he is more proven but still hasn't made any big leap in the NFL for production whereas Braylon is young and might be able to do it sooner in his career than Johnson. Besides, "dumb" question or not I wouldn't expect a sarcastic response. I assumed we were all adults here participating on this board because we enjoy the hobby of fantasy football but it gets ruined with people like you. By the way, you may consider me to be an amateur but in my defense you don't win 3 of the 6 years you've been in the league and making it to at least the second round of the playoffs every year out of luck...and yes, age does make a difference when this is concerning a dynasty league. Perhaps you should look that term up because you're apparently unfamiliar with it, amateur.
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Holy Schneikes
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Wow, some pretty strong opinions here. I think the question is VERY legit.
Johnson and Edwards have a very similar talent level IMO - both very high. As for situation, I can't believe people are slamming Edwards because of Cleveland, and then conveniently forget that Houston is ALSO a terrible team and now has a QB that has never been a regualr starter in the NFL.
If not for the knee injury, which is probably only now truly in Edwards' rearview mirror, this would be a very different conversation. And I expect at the end of this season we may be looking at a different conversation as well.
Oh, and by the way - being as smug as some of you are on an internet forum just makes you look like an idiot. We are ALL amateurs here, get over yourself.
Johnson and Edwards have a very similar talent level IMO - both very high. As for situation, I can't believe people are slamming Edwards because of Cleveland, and then conveniently forget that Houston is ALSO a terrible team and now has a QB that has never been a regualr starter in the NFL.
If not for the knee injury, which is probably only now truly in Edwards' rearview mirror, this would be a very different conversation. And I expect at the end of this season we may be looking at a different conversation as well.
Oh, and by the way - being as smug as some of you are on an internet forum just makes you look like an idiot. We are ALL amateurs here, get over yourself.
Thank you.
Josh the FunkDOC
Footballguy
As a Browns homer, I don't like Braylon's tendency toward drops.
That said, his numbers in this "offense" are rather impressive. And he finally gets a real quarterback for the future - the odds are favorable for Quinn to develop into an above-average NFL starter. The improving offensive line certainly can't hurt his prospects, either.
Schaub's performance this year will answer this question. I honestly think Andre could be a top 5 WR if he had a QB who could consistently throw deep, and Schaub certainly cannot be any worse than David Carr in that area. So I would probably still favor him for now.
-Josh
That said, his numbers in this "offense" are rather impressive. And he finally gets a real quarterback for the future - the odds are favorable for Quinn to develop into an above-average NFL starter. The improving offensive line certainly can't hurt his prospects, either.
Schaub's performance this year will answer this question. I honestly think Andre could be a top 5 WR if he had a QB who could consistently throw deep, and Schaub certainly cannot be any worse than David Carr in that area. So I would probably still favor him for now.
-Josh
-OZ-
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Although, even as a Michigan fan, I'd take AJ over Braylon. It just isn't THAT far apart. AJ right now is top 15ish, Braylon top 20. Give Braylon another year from the injury, and this will be closer than many like to think.
Wu-banger
Footballguy
this is a very fair question...
Edwards and AJ talent wise are very close... I'm not even ready to say who has more.
Production wise AJ (especially in PPR) is well ahead of Edwards.
Both are in very questionable situations with their current teams... :
AJ has a new QB with high expectations in Shaub BUT we have not seen them play together yet and the Texans are a bad team.
Braylon has not yet been able to put together a full productive season and has a HUGE ?? in the QB situation.. Anderson , Quinn , Frye - not sold on any of them. The Browns did improve their line , but I still dont see them winning many games nor having any fantasy impact players except Winslow.
The deciding factor for me would be that Andre Johnson has proved he can put up very good totals playing in a bad situation for a bad team.. Edwards is still searching his niche'.
Edwards though could provide greater ADP value though.
Edwards and AJ talent wise are very close... I'm not even ready to say who has more.
Production wise AJ (especially in PPR) is well ahead of Edwards.
Both are in very questionable situations with their current teams... :
AJ has a new QB with high expectations in Shaub BUT we have not seen them play together yet and the Texans are a bad team.
Braylon has not yet been able to put together a full productive season and has a HUGE ?? in the QB situation.. Anderson , Quinn , Frye - not sold on any of them. The Browns did improve their line , but I still dont see them winning many games nor having any fantasy impact players except Winslow.
The deciding factor for me would be that Andre Johnson has proved he can put up very good totals playing in a bad situation for a bad team.. Edwards is still searching his niche'.
Edwards though could provide greater ADP value though.
Irish
Footballguy
Not even close to being that in shark leagues. AJ is a top 10 wr in dynasty leagues that are worth anything.-OZ- said:moose162 said:Holy Schneikes said:
Although, even as a Michigan fan, I'd take AJ over Braylon. It just isn't THAT far apart. AJ right now is top 15ish, Braylon top 20. Give Braylon another year from the injury, and this will be closer than many like to think.
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-OZ-
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Not even close to being that in shark leagues. AJ is a top 10 wr in dynasty leagues that are worth anything.-OZ- said:moose162 said:Holy Schneikes said:
Although, even as a Michigan fan, I'd take AJ over Braylon. It just isn't THAT far apart. AJ right now is top 15ish, Braylon top 20. Give Braylon another year from the injury, and this will be closer than many like to think.
It's my opinion, not the ADP that I'm using here. FWIW, AJ is ranked #9 on FBG's list, so you're right - if that was what I was going by. I bump Housh, Boldin, and Walker ahead of him, making him #12, so 15ish was a fair guess of my ranking without thinking too long on it.This board would be pretty lame if all of our opinions had to be based on ADP.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
FWIW, my last dynasty draft was back in March. This league is an IDP/PPR league with 12 teams. Most of the guys in the league are from this board. AJ was taken as my WR1. Braylon was taken quite a few rounds later as my WR3. Driver was my second WR. If Schaub is as good as some feel and Green improves the running game, AJ should reach uber-stud status.
Mr. Bill O'Reilly
Footballguy
Andre 5000... Partially because I didn't like what I saw from Edwards when he was getting in his Quarterback's face that one time.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
I think that Edwards and Johnson are close to each other talent wise but I'd probably take Johnson. I think the more important question though is who's better between Brady Quinn or Matt Schaub? Whoever wins in that battle will go a long in determining will wide receiver will play better in the future.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think that was the exception, not the rule with Braylon. Braylon is an outstanding person who gives so much back to the community. He has made the largest donations to UM by a former athlete in the schools history and also organizes multiple celebrity charity events to raise money to send inner city students to college. He has organized can drives to help the Cleveland Foodbank. He has helped purchase football helmets for poor inner city schools. I can assure you, he is not the self-absorbed TO-esque WR. As for the OP: As of right now, AJ has more value but Braylon has just as much upside IMO. This year will be big for Braylon (fully healthy, 3rd year WR) and he has a chance to pass AJ. With AJ, I expect another good but unspectacular year: 89 receptions 1080 yards and 6 TDs
That's exactly my thought on both of their scenarios. Thanks for the input.Not to avert the topic at hand but I was notified the other team won't trade A. Johnson but is willing to trade Braylon so now the question comes to me if I should trade Julius for Braylon. Take a peek and let me know.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=331232
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corpcow
Footballguy
This does not belong in the Shark Pool. Please do not piss in the pool.
I'd much rather have Edwards as my WR3 than Johnson as my WR1.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
Sure, they're both WR2's
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Not really. According to AntSports, AJ is the 11th WR off the board and Bralyon is 25th. In a 12 team league, that means AJ will often be a #1WR and Braylon will often be a 3rd WR.Sure, they're both WR2's
coolnerd
Footballguy
Let's see in a 12 team league, I one could look at it as, present average draft positions, so A. Johnson is the next to last WR1 and Braylon who is the top WR3 meaning that both WRs are being drafted nearly as often as WR2 as they are being drafted as the other spots. A conclusion that they are both WR2 is not unreasonable.Not really. According to AntSports, AJ is the 11th WR off the board and Bralyon is 25th. In a 12 team league, that means AJ will often be a #1WR and Braylon will often be a 3rd WR.Sure, they're both WR2's
Rev
Footballguy
Don't get razzed into a bickering match. While I agree with the consensus that AJ has more value right now, you pose an intrigueing comparison between 2 very talented players who's values are almost guaranteed to fluctuate drastically once their respective situations stablize. And for those who putting out the "I've always loved AJ" vibe, (I like him too), go ahead and do a search for almost every thread involving AJ before last season. The 'crowd' had him pegged as an inconsistant dud on a bad team who would never reach his ceiling. Things change pretty darn fast around here.ffguru56 said:
-OZ-
Footballguy
IMO They'll both perform this year as WR2's. Happy now?Not really. According to AntSports, AJ is the 11th WR off the board and Bralyon is 25th. In a 12 team league, that means AJ will often be a #1WR and Braylon will often be a 3rd WR.Sure, they're both WR2's
Who cares about ADP???????????????????Not really. According to AntSports, AJ is the 11th WR off the board and Bralyon is 25th. In a 12 team league, that means AJ will often be a #1WR and Braylon will often be a 3rd WR.Sure, they're both WR2's
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Who doesn't care about ADP? Its nice to know where on average players are being taken so as to not go after them too early or wait too long. The point was many people are drafting AJ with the expectation of him being there #1 WR and Braylon will be available to many as a 3rd WR. So to say they are both #2 WRs as if they are currently being valued similarly is off IMO.Who cares about ADP???????????????????Not really. According to AntSports, AJ is the 11th WR off the board and Bralyon is 25th. In a 12 team league, that means AJ will often be a #1WR and Braylon will often be a 3rd WR.Sure, they're both WR2's
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What does ADP have to do with where OZ rates them?Who doesn't care about ADP? Its nice to know where on average players are being taken so as to not go after them too early or wait too long. The point was many people are drafting AJ with the expectation of him being there #1 WR and Braylong will be available to many as a 3rd WR. So to say they are both #2 WRs as if they are currently being valued similarly is off IMO.Who cares about ADP???????????????????Not really. According to AntSports, AJ is the 11th WR off the board and Bralyon is 25th. In a 12 team league, that means AJ will often be a #1WR and Braylon will often be a 3rd WR.Sure, they're both WR2's
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Nothing- I guess I misinterpreted the conversation. I was thinking more a long the lines of what is their current market value.What does ADP have to do with where OZ rates them?Who doesn't care about ADP? Its nice to know where on average players are being taken so as to not go after them too early or wait too long. The point was many people are drafting AJ with the expectation of him being there #1 WR and Braylong will be available to many as a 3rd WR. So to say they are both #2 WRs as if they are currently being valued similarly is off IMO.Who cares about ADP???????????????????Not really. According to AntSports, AJ is the 11th WR off the board and Bralyon is 25th. In a 12 team league, that means AJ will often be a #1WR and Braylon will often be a 3rd WR.Sure, they're both WR2's
redman
Footballguy
:XIt is not even close.
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