Who's better, MJD or Bush (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

Bush supporters - brain washed by the mega media hype.

Jones-Drew supporters - realists that base opinions on facts and not judgement

Plain and simple.

Bush supporters are funny - can't see the forest through the trees. Reggie's 3.6 yard per average rush is just so dominating - get real. He'll make a highlight every 4th game, meanwhile Jones-Drew will be scoring TDs.

MJD supporters use information based on facts for 1 YEAR ?! hardly realistic.Bush supporters see someone who had a great year too and are thinking long-term.

Hey I understand its en vouge to go against the grain and pick the non-hyped guy to look like your original.

But eventually youll realize the hype is on Bush for a reason.

Weren't Bush supporters insistent upon using 2nd half stats as a measure of potential? Give me a break.

Im not , I'm using the time that Drew and Bushed lived close to each in High School and competed for 6-7 years against each other running through college upto the NFL. Bush has always been the better total athlete. Bush created a new position and a new trend in the NFL for a hybrid RB/WR/Threat and you can call it all the hype you want too but there is a hell of alot of highlight film that continued on into the NFL this last season. Just becasue MJD 1 year , a rookie year, translates his game to the NFL faster means hes better? Theres players that take time to adjust in the NFL and become superior players over some who had a quick start (Michael Clayton offhand)

This is crazy. Bush and Drew lived nowhere near each other. Maurice Drew lived in the Bay Area and went to De La Salle High School in Concord. Bush lived in San Diego and went to Helix High School. That's 490 miles away - or, roughly the equivalent of the distance between Chapel Hill, NC and New York, NY. You know, those two cities known for being close to each other.Those schools never played each other. Not once. The only times they competed against each other was in track & field at the California State Track & Field Championships. Neither of them ever won. They also went to some of the same combines.

Maurice Drew, not Reggie Bush, was rated as the #1 all-purpose RB in the nation coming out of High School by Rivals. They were both 4-star recruits. USC recruited and offered both of them. Bush chose SC, and Drew chose UCLA (because Eric Bieniemy was the RB coach at UCLA at the time).

Did you just make all this stuff up hoping that nobody knew either of their backgrounds?

 

[Sleeper 43]

Bush supporters - brain washed by the mega media hype.Jones-Drew supporters - realists that base opinions on facts and not judgementPlain and simple. Bush supporters are funny - can't see the forest through the trees. Reggie's 3.6 yard per average rush is just so dominating - get real. He'll make a highlight every 4th game, meanwhile Jones-Drew will be scoring TDs.

MJD supporters use information based on facts for 1 YEAR ?! hardly realistic.Bush supporters see someone who had a great year too and are thinking long-term.Hey I understand its en vouge to go against the grain and pick the non-hyped guy to look like your original.But eventually youll realize the hype is on Bush for a reason.

So you are actually looking at hype as the reason to target someone in Fantasy Football? I remember all the hype about Ricky Williams. Ditka traded nearly his entire draft for him. Edge was the less well known guy that the Colts stunned everyone by taking him ahead of Ricky. Since we are talking long term, how did that turn out?I remember Ryan Leaf getting a lot of hype. Same with Joey Harrington. What about Charles Rogers. That guy had a lot of hype. What about Mike Williams. Broke all of Keyshaun's records at USC. I remember Ron Dayne getting a lot of hype. The Giants actually had a bronze life size Great Dane put outside the locker room before he even played a down. at someone thinking hype somehow equates to on the field success.....

Wow how did you get that from what I posted I dont rely on hype im just tired of MJD crowd in this post using hype "against" Bush like its a monster of his own doing and it has no bearing. I'm saying the hype is there because its legit. You really cant call it hype anymore, maybe you coulda called it hype his soph. season at USC ?If you dont understand by now why I prefer Bush in a comparison I'll make it simple:Hes a superior athlete , is it close , yes, but overall when the dust settles he a superior athlete and 1 season does not close the case for me on MJD when his stats were o so very close fantasy wise in the first place. People are acting like Bush got waxed in the stats. And like I said in my previous post , you can have your 1 season where he barley out performed Bush and I'll take the last 6-7 years Bush was viewed superior to Drew by all in SoCal.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Bush: has the 5th gear, more lateral quickness/agility, and he's repertoire of open field moves is legendary. Only a handfull of guys in the NFL are as dangerous in the open field. Additionally, very few have his ability to make a "football move" immediately after securing the football. If Drew is a 7 or 8 out of 10 in terms of receiving, then Bush is a 9 or 10. He's just a more natural, fluid guy coming out of the backfield and especially the slot.

Drew: This guy can't be arm tackled. He just can't. Based on what I saw last season, there are just very few NFL RB's who can match his ability to break tackles (arm or otherwise). Both Drew and Bush have extraordinary balance. The difference is that Drew can maintain his balance while his feet are continually moving (Bush made tremendous strides in this area during the 2nd half of '06). Drew's peripheral vision behind the line of scrimmage is rare. Thus his ability to quickly locate a hole and hit it with authority(similar to Priest Holmes), which he does without hesitation (unlike Bush). Drew presents a smaller, much more powerful target than Bush. Once Drew breaks the first level, he's nearly impossible to bring down from the front unless the defender is perfectly square with him.

Bottom line: Bush's supernatural athletic ability is indisputable. He's as talented as any player to come in the league at any position or era. However, he wasn't/isn't as fundamentally sound as Drew (this will change). And he lacks Drew's unique power and size/speed combo (this won't change). Bush has also experienced enough niggling injuries over the last 12 months that one has to raise a caution flag when comparing these two. I hate to hedge, but this is as close to a push as I can conceive.

Real bottom line: Right now the better NFL RB is MJD. However, I believe Bush made enough strides in the second half of '06 to prove that he's comitted to ironing out the flaws in his game. The real question is whether he can/will add the necessary bulk to be a truly effective inside runner without losing the quickness that defines his game. He may very well do that, but it's not something I'm willing to project in a comparison. Bush is still a WIP who's had enough small injuries to raise a concern while MJD is a fundamentally sound, turn key operation.

Advantage: MJD, but by the slimmest of margins

Full disclosure: I own Bush in two dynasty leagues and MJD in one.

NFL only highlights:

MJD: 1 2

Reggie Bush: 1

 

[Sleeper 43]

Bush supporters - brain washed by the mega media hype.

Jones-Drew supporters - realists that base opinions on facts and not judgement

Plain and simple.

Bush supporters are funny - can't see the forest through the trees. Reggie's 3.6 yard per average rush is just so dominating - get real. He'll make a highlight every 4th game, meanwhile Jones-Drew will be scoring TDs.

MJD supporters use information based on facts for 1 YEAR ?! hardly realistic.Bush supporters see someone who had a great year too and are thinking long-term.

Hey I understand its en vouge to go against the grain and pick the non-hyped guy to look like your original.

But eventually youll realize the hype is on Bush for a reason.

Weren't Bush supporters insistent upon using 2nd half stats as a measure of potential? Give me a break.

Im not , I'm using the time that Drew and Bushed lived close to each in High School and competed for 6-7 years against each other running through college upto the NFL. Bush has always been the better total athlete. Bush created a new position and a new trend in the NFL for a hybrid RB/WR/Threat and you can call it all the hype you want too but there is a hell of alot of highlight film that continued on into the NFL this last season. Just becasue MJD 1 year , a rookie year, translates his game to the NFL faster means hes better? Theres players that take time to adjust in the NFL and become superior players over some who had a quick start (Michael Clayton offhand)

This is crazy. Bush and Drew lived nowhere near each other. Maurice Drew lived in the Bay Area and went to De La Salle High School in Concord. Bush lived in San Diego and went to Helix High School. That's 490 miles away - or, roughly the equivalent of the distance between Chapel Hill, NC and New York, NY. You know, those two cities known for being close to each other.Those schools never played each other. Not once. The only times they competed against each other was in track & field at the California State Track & Field Championships. Neither of them ever won. They also went to some of the same combines.

Maurice Drew, not Reggie Bush, was rated as the #1 all-purpose RB in the nation coming out of High School by Rivals. They were both 4-star recruits. USC recruited and offered both of them. Bush chose SC, and Drew chose UCLA (because Eric Bieniemy was the RB coach at UCLA at the time).

Did you just make all this stuff up hoping that nobody knew either of their backgrounds?

Sorry I should have been clear, i really have to keep in mind I have to be anal in my posts here. They both were top players in the state growing up and to think they did'nt compete for statistics and accolades or better yet follow each other is silly. In High school I remember having access to all the stats nation wide , team and individual... its common knowledge who good in your state. Bottom line is Reggie Bush > MJD all these last few years up until this 1st Roookie season , its by a small margin and your gonna stand on that?http://www.dyestat.com/state/ca/2out/statemeet/r-10.htm

 

[k2isabeast]

Bush supporters - brain washed by the mega media hype.

Jones-Drew supporters - realists that base opinions on facts and not judgement

Plain and simple.

Bush supporters are funny - can't see the forest through the trees. Reggie's 3.6 yard per average rush is just so dominating - get real. He'll make a highlight every 4th game, meanwhile Jones-Drew will be scoring TDs.

MJD supporters use information based on facts for 1 YEAR ?! hardly realistic.Bush supporters see someone who had a great year too and are thinking long-term.

Hey I understand its en vouge to go against the grain and pick the non-hyped guy to look like your original.

But eventually youll realize the hype is on Bush for a reason.

Weren't Bush supporters insistent upon using 2nd half stats as a measure of potential? Give me a break.

Im not , I'm using the time that Drew and Bushed lived close to each in High School and competed for 6-7 years against each other running through college upto the NFL. Bush has always been the better total athlete. Bush created a new position and a new trend in the NFL for a hybrid RB/WR/Threat and you can call it all the hype you want too but there is a hell of alot of highlight film that continued on into the NFL this last season. Just becasue MJD 1 year , a rookie year, translates his game to the NFL faster means hes better? Theres players that take time to adjust in the NFL and become superior players over some who had a quick start (Michael Clayton offhand)

This is crazy. Bush and Drew lived nowhere near each other. Maurice Drew lived in the Bay Area and went to De La Salle High School in Concord. Bush lived in San Diego and went to Helix High School. That's 490 miles away - or, roughly the equivalent of the distance between Chapel Hill, NC and New York, NY. You know, those two cities known for being close to each other.Those schools never played each other. Not once. The only times they competed against each other was in track & field at the California State Track & Field Championships. Neither of them ever won. They also went to some of the same combines.

Maurice Drew, not Reggie Bush, was rated as the #1 all-purpose RB in the nation coming out of High School by Rivals. They were both 4-star recruits. USC recruited and offered both of them. Bush chose SC, and Drew chose UCLA (because Eric Bieniemy was the RB coach at UCLA at the time).

Did you just make all this stuff up hoping that nobody knew either of their backgrounds?

Sorry I should have been clear, i really have to keep in mind I have to be anal in my posts here. They both were top players in the state growing up and to think they did'nt compete for statistics and accolades or better yet follow each other is silly. In High school I remember having access to all the stats nation wide , team and individual... its common knowledge who good in your state. Bottom line is Reggie Bush > MJD all these last few years up until this 1st Roookie season , its by a small margin and your gonna stand on that?http://www.dyestat.com/state/ca/2out/statemeet/r-10.htm

this guy needs a spot in that bud light commercial where the guys are talking sports out of their ###es..based on the ENTIRE last season MJD has my vote..PERIOD. there has been many high school/college prosects to bust in NFL..these guys both were highly regarded throughout their transition to NFL. Now they're here..both great. THE QUESTION SHOULD REALLY READ "WHO'S THE BETTER RB"..In that case I vote for MJD. Reminds me of Eric Metcalf when he came from Texas in 89..wonder what stats he could of put up in that USC offense..

 

[TheFanatic]

Bush supporters - brain washed by the mega media hype.

Jones-Drew supporters - realists that base opinions on facts and not judgement

Plain and simple.

Bush supporters are funny - can't see the forest through the trees. Reggie's 3.6 yard per average rush is just so dominating - get real. He'll make a highlight every 4th game, meanwhile Jones-Drew will be scoring TDs.

MJD supporters use information based on facts for 1 YEAR ?! hardly realistic.Bush supporters see someone who had a great year too and are thinking long-term.

Hey I understand its en vouge to go against the grain and pick the non-hyped guy to look like your original.

But eventually youll realize the hype is on Bush for a reason.

Weren't Bush supporters insistent upon using 2nd half stats as a measure of potential? Give me a break.

Im not , I'm using the time that Drew and Bushed lived close to each in High School and competed for 6-7 years against each other running through college upto the NFL. Bush has always been the better total athlete. Bush created a new position and a new trend in the NFL for a hybrid RB/WR/Threat and you can call it all the hype you want too but there is a hell of alot of highlight film that continued on into the NFL this last season. Just becasue MJD 1 year , a rookie year, translates his game to the NFL faster means hes better? Theres players that take time to adjust in the NFL and become superior players over some who had a quick start (Michael Clayton offhand)

This is crazy. Bush and Drew lived nowhere near each other. Maurice Drew lived in the Bay Area and went to De La Salle High School in Concord. Bush lived in San Diego and went to Helix High School. That's 490 miles away - or, roughly the equivalent of the distance between Chapel Hill, NC and New York, NY. You know, those two cities known for being close to each other.Those schools never played each other. Not once. The only times they competed against each other was in track & field at the California State Track & Field Championships. Neither of them ever won. They also went to some of the same combines.

Maurice Drew, not Reggie Bush, was rated as the #1 all-purpose RB in the nation coming out of High School by Rivals. They were both 4-star recruits. USC recruited and offered both of them. Bush chose SC, and Drew chose UCLA (because Eric Bieniemy was the RB coach at UCLA at the time).

Did you just make all this stuff up hoping that nobody knew either of their backgrounds?

Sorry I should have been clear, i really have to keep in mind I have to be anal in my posts here. They both were top players in the state growing up and to think they did'nt compete for statistics and accolades or better yet follow each other is silly. In High school I remember having access to all the stats nation wide , team and individual... its common knowledge who good in your state. Bottom line is Reggie Bush > MJD all these last few years up until this 1st Roookie season , its by a small margin and your gonna stand on that?http://www.dyestat.com/state/ca/2out/statemeet/r-10.htm

The Board Cred Store called. Said your check bounced. Time to move to a different thread because no one is reading any of the crap you are making up anymore....

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Bush supporters - brain washed by the mega media hype.

Jones-Drew supporters - realists that base opinions on facts and not judgement

Plain and simple.

Bush supporters are funny - can't see the forest through the trees. Reggie's 3.6 yard per average rush is just so dominating - get real. He'll make a highlight every 4th game, meanwhile Jones-Drew will be scoring TDs.

MJD supporters use information based on facts for 1 YEAR ?! hardly realistic.Bush supporters see someone who had a great year too and are thinking long-term.

Hey I understand its en vouge to go against the grain and pick the non-hyped guy to look like your original.

But eventually youll realize the hype is on Bush for a reason.

Weren't Bush supporters insistent upon using 2nd half stats as a measure of potential? Give me a break.

Im not , I'm using the time that Drew and Bushed lived close to each in High School and competed for 6-7 years against each other running through college upto the NFL. Bush has always been the better total athlete. Bush created a new position and a new trend in the NFL for a hybrid RB/WR/Threat and you can call it all the hype you want too but there is a hell of alot of highlight film that continued on into the NFL this last season. Just becasue MJD 1 year , a rookie year, translates his game to the NFL faster means hes better? Theres players that take time to adjust in the NFL and become superior players over some who had a quick start (Michael Clayton offhand)

This is crazy. Bush and Drew lived nowhere near each other. Maurice Drew lived in the Bay Area and went to De La Salle High School in Concord. Bush lived in San Diego and went to Helix High School. That's 490 miles away - or, roughly the equivalent of the distance between Chapel Hill, NC and New York, NY. You know, those two cities known for being close to each other.Those schools never played each other. Not once. The only times they competed against each other was in track & field at the California State Track & Field Championships. Neither of them ever won. They also went to some of the same combines.

Maurice Drew, not Reggie Bush, was rated as the #1 all-purpose RB in the nation coming out of High School by Rivals. They were both 4-star recruits. USC recruited and offered both of them. Bush chose SC, and Drew chose UCLA (because Eric Bieniemy was the RB coach at UCLA at the time).

Did you just make all this stuff up hoping that nobody knew either of their backgrounds?

Sorry I should have been clear, i really have to keep in mind I have to be anal in my posts here. They both were top players in the state growing up and to think they did'nt compete for statistics and accolades or better yet follow each other is silly. In High school I remember having access to all the stats nation wide , team and individual... its common knowledge who good in your state. Bottom line is Reggie Bush > MJD all these last few years up until this 1st Roookie season , its by a small margin and your gonna stand on that?http://www.dyestat.com/state/ca/2out/statemeet/r-10.htm

Clear about what? Posting some incorrect bull####, getting called on it, and then trying to clear things up for us?

 

[GDogg]

Bush supporters - brain washed by the mega media hype.

Jones-Drew supporters - realists that base opinions on facts and not judgement

Plain and simple.

Bush supporters are funny - can't see the forest through the trees. Reggie's 3.6 yard per average rush is just so dominating - get real. He'll make a highlight every 4th game, meanwhile Jones-Drew will be scoring TDs.

MJD supporters use information based on facts for 1 YEAR ?! hardly realistic.Bush supporters see someone who had a great year too and are thinking long-term.

Hey I understand its en vouge to go against the grain and pick the non-hyped guy to look like your original.

But eventually youll realize the hype is on Bush for a reason.

Weren't Bush supporters insistent upon using 2nd half stats as a measure of potential? Give me a break.

Im not , I'm using the time that Drew and Bushed lived close to each in High School and competed for 6-7 years against each other running through college upto the NFL. Bush has always been the better total athlete. Bush created a new position and a new trend in the NFL for a hybrid RB/WR/Threat and you can call it all the hype you want too but there is a hell of alot of highlight film that continued on into the NFL this last season. Just becasue MJD 1 year , a rookie year, translates his game to the NFL faster means hes better? Theres players that take time to adjust in the NFL and become superior players over some who had a quick start (Michael Clayton offhand)

This is crazy. Bush and Drew lived nowhere near each other. Maurice Drew lived in the Bay Area and went to De La Salle High School in Concord. Bush lived in San Diego and went to Helix High School. That's 490 miles away - or, roughly the equivalent of the distance between Chapel Hill, NC and New York, NY. You know, those two cities known for being close to each other.Those schools never played each other. Not once. The only times they competed against each other was in track & field at the California State Track & Field Championships. Neither of them ever won. They also went to some of the same combines.

Maurice Drew, not Reggie Bush, was rated as the #1 all-purpose RB in the nation coming out of High School by Rivals. They were both 4-star recruits. USC recruited and offered both of them. Bush chose SC, and Drew chose UCLA (because Eric Bieniemy was the RB coach at UCLA at the time).

Did you just make all this stuff up hoping that nobody knew either of their backgrounds?

Sorry I should have been clear, i really have to keep in mind I have to be anal in my posts here. They both were top players in the state growing up and to think they did'nt compete for statistics and accolades or better yet follow each other is silly. In High school I remember having access to all the stats nation wide , team and individual... its common knowledge who good in your state. Bottom line is Reggie Bush > MJD all these last few years up until this 1st Roookie season , its by a small margin and your gonna stand on that?http://www.dyestat.com/state/ca/2out/statemeet/r-10.htm

Why did you link us to the results from their Junior year?Here are the results from their Senior year:

Heat 2 Preliminaries Wind: -1.6

1 Larry, Lionel 11 Dominguez/ss 10.78Q

2 Osaisai, Wopamo 11 Pinole V/Nc 10.81q

3 Henry, Chris 12 Edison/sj 10.84q

4 Endly, Dane 12 Laguna Hl/ss 10.97

5 Drew, Maurice 12 DeLaSalle/nc 10.99

6 Bush, Reggie 12 Helix/sd 11.08

7 Nunnally, Rashaad 11 Sheldon/sj 11.14

8 Swain, Brett 12 Carlsbad/sd 11.23

9 Castell, Kashif 12 West/ce 11.26

Maurice Owns ReggieAs for comparing themselves to each other, I seriously doubt that would have been too fruitful considering the fact that Maurice Drew played in the fourth quarter of De La Salle games a grand total of three times. You do know that Maurice Drew played for the school that holds the nation's longest winning streak, and never lost during Drew's career, right?

 

[streamkeeper]

I have a quick Sunday morning question to ask. MJD & Bush both recieved a good deal of fantasy value via special teams last season.

Does anyone know how/if these two will be utilized this season in those roles?

I have not heard any information in this subject which I believe has a great deal of importance when decerning the value of both players.

Thx.

 

[TheFanatic]

Bumpidy, bump bump.

Anyone else want to vote here?

 

[ThePittbully]

Wow 144 silly silly people on this forum...and thats coming from a Saints fan

 

[TheFanatic]

Wow 144 silly silly people on this forum...and thats coming from a Saints fan

I believe I started this in the offseason after their two rookie seasons but with very clear stats in favor of one guy the vote was pretty ridiculous. Hindsight is great ain't it?

 

[jurb26]

Wow 144 silly silly people on this forum...and thats coming from a Saints fan

I believe I started this in the offseason after their two rookie seasons but with very clear stats in favor of one guy the vote was pretty ridiculous. Hindsight is great ain't it?

Keep this thread bumped for just a few days and MJD should even things out.

 

[Manster]

i voted MJD. so far HE IS BETTER. i'm not gonna spew forth statistics, cause i'm not a stats guy. but i've watched both play, and imo, MJD is just a better football player.

 

[pollardsvision]

i've had arguments over these 2 since they were rookies. the answer is even more clear now.

MJD can do pretty much anything bush can do.

bush can't do all the things MJD can do. namely, run with some power.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

This will be a fun thread to revisit in about 7 months.

Or three years.

 

[werdnoynek]

This will be a fun thread to revisit in about 7 months.

Or three years.

careful bumping threads, people don't take kindly to this.

 

[SSOG]

If you're going to bump an old poll, you should at least make note of what the vote was prior to the bump so that recent votes don't skew its historical accuracy.

Edit: At the time of this posting, it's 146 to 117 in favor of Bush.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

This will be a fun thread to revisit in about 7 months.

Or three years.

careful bumping threads, people don't take kindly to this.

I can imagine so, based on some of these posts. Nonetheless, I predict they'll get over it.ETA: Thanks SSOG. Didn't think to make a note.

 

[SSOG]

There have actually been two people who voted for Reggie Bush since this thread has been resurrected.

 

[Ghost Rider]

There have actually been two people who voted for Reggie Bush since this thread has been resurrected.

I am sure if they were brave enough to post, they would trot out the "Bush has won a championship, and MJD hasn't" argument. Or they are doing it just to be ####s. My money is on the latter.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

There have actually been two people who voted for Reggie Bush since this thread has been resurrected.

It was a couple of poor spellers that thought it was a poll about Miller Jenuine Draft and Bush beers.

 

[TheFanatic]

Alittle FWI

13 out of 17 experts on footballguys like Reggie more in a redraft and 4 for 4 in dynasty.

Obviously the fanatic knows more than them though

Keep up the good work Scotty

Rereading this thread has been fun, but this post is the best. Looks like I do know more than them...

 

[Blackjacks]

You did nail this one but I thought you would also add the link where you were pimping LeRon McClain last year over Ray Rice.

I guess you couldn't find that thread cause I know you wouldn't just cherry pick the 1 you got right, would you?

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

There have actually been two people who voted for Reggie Bush since this thread has been resurrected.

It was a couple of poor spellers that thought it was a poll about Miller Jenuine Draft and Bush beers.

And they'd still be wrong!