Who's the 1.1 next year? (1 Viewer)

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I'm really having a hard time understanding how a 23 year old RB that is leading the league in yards/tds/catches for a RB/ and has a gaudy YPC average only has the support of about 1 in every 4 people voting. I think there are a lot of fine candidates and all but this tells me that people REALLY put a premium on name recognition and its a bit puzzling why the facts are being ignored. If AP or MJD or CJ was having this type of year, its likely this poll would not even exist because it would be a slam dunk.I wouldn't knock anyone for taking ANY of the guys on the list at the top next year but my choice would be Foster. Like the guys before him that proved it one year and then got slected high the next year, he has shown to be a very valuable FF option.

It's mainly because as great as he is this year, you still don't know for sure he can do it again next year. Look at Ray Rice this year, everyone thought he'd take a step forward off of last year and have this monster year.....he didn't. And to be honest, nothing really supports him being able to do it 2 years in a row.ADP has been a top back a few years now and is the safest pick to be awesome. With that said, it's not like Foster isn't going to go top 5 in redraft. You're still talking about a guy who will be an elite pick, probably would be my NO. 2 pick behind ADP.

 

[mizat000]

A familiar thread, although last year it was CJ3 instead of Foster, the answer is the same answer that it was last year, Adrian Peterson.

I get that 3-4 years is more reliable in terms of betting rather than 1 1/4 years. I disagree that Peterson will be able to perform on the same level he has for the next 3-4 years though. In my mind, health and a player's 'legs' are critical. ADP's run style is aggressive as all hell. I can't see him staying healthy, running as hard as he has for another 3-4 years.. it just defies logic. You can't see ADP performing well when he's 28 years old?

A RB's 'prime years' are shorter than ever. No they're not. OK, defensive players aren't bigger/faster than they used to be and don't hit as hard. Definitely fewer injuries occur as well. You're right.

That's why I like Foster so much. His situation is likely to stay the same No it's not, he's likely to lose his coaching staff His great offensive line players and his elite performance this year have little to do with his situation staying the same, right? How do you know the GM is likely to fire Kubiak? You don't. I based my opinion on his situation more than the performance of his coach

he is an extremely talented back (I play in a PPR league) Talented, yes. Elite, no. And whether or not you play in a PPR league doesn't affect his talent When I say talent, I mean a multi-faceted RB who can catch the ball. A RB who has 17 more receptions than ADP. Glad you quantified you definition of 'elite' for us

and he is entering his 2nd full season Which doesn't mean much. He's still only 5 months younger than ADP Yeah, because a first full year in the NFL is not much different than a 2nd full year. Definitley don't pick up much experience about reading defenses/holes or anything like that. You are dead right on that point.

with the experience of finding/hitting the holes hard but not yet at a point where physical health is a concern. Zone blocking gives him bigger running lanes so he doesn't have to go all John Rambo like Peterson does every week. Its going to take a toll on ADP... and its likely to happen sooner than it is with Foster.

I have no idea where to start with this one except, to make it easier to understand, they both get hit about the same amount of times throughout the season.My point is that ADP's running style is more aggressive than Fosters and he doesn't have as much luxury of running between the blocks like Foster does. He has to improvise more, which often leaves him more prone to getting hit harder. You can't honestly say ADP doesn't have a more violent run style.

 

[FantasyMan]

Dude.. its a simple argument. I put more value on a guy having a significantly better fantasy year with no signs of slowing down who hasn't taken nearly the abuse that another RB has taken. Regardless if Kubiak is there or not,it is likely the same dominant offensive line will be there blocking for a guy who is in the MVP race this year. The above is just all fluff and not worth responding to

The problem with the Texans has nothing to do with zone blocking, its their last-ranked pass defense. A coach would have to be a complete idiot to change that offensive run scheme. How long have you been following football? A new coach (99.9% of the time, if not more) means a new offensive and defensive scheme.

The better argument for ADP is that Favre probably won't be there next year and the Vikes will have to rely more heavily on the run game - more touches for Peterson, but also more health/injury concern. It's a simple preference for: (top production now/little more risky situation/less risky health concern) over (3-4 year high quality but not #1 production/a little less risky situation/a little more risky health concern). Once again, there is nothing to your theory that Foster is less of a health concern. Nothing. There is one fact. That fact is: ADP is a better running back than Foster is.

Also, I guess you don't like Mike Goodson either because he isn't "proven". Hes averaging 4.4 ypc compared to Stewart's 3.9 this year. Wow.

 

[doowain]

I wonder how many of the votes for Arian Foster were by Arian Foster owners. We get that you love Foster and his cheap acquisition price.....but take the blinders off. Is it really that hard to understand you should value track record higher?

 

[mizat000]

Also, I guess you don't like Mike Goodson either because he isn't "proven". Hes averaging 4.4 ypc compared to Stewart's 3.9 this year.

Are you serious?ETA - and to stay on topic - ADP should be #1 RB taken in PPR or non-PPR

Well you must be joking if you don't think Goodson will steal some carries from Stewart next year. He rushed for 120 yards against the Ravens in case you missed that game.

 

[doowain]

Dude.. its a simple argument. I put more value on a guy having a significantly better fantasy year with no signs of slowing down who hasn't taken nearly the abuse that another RB has taken. Regardless if Kubiak is there or not,it is likely the same dominant offensive line will be there blocking for a guy who is in the MVP race this year. The above is just all fluff and not worth responding to

The problem with the Texans has nothing to do with zone blocking, its their last-ranked pass defense. A coach would have to be a complete idiot to change that offensive run scheme. How long have you been following football? A new coach (99.9% of the time, if not more) means a new offensive and defensive scheme.

The better argument for ADP is that Favre probably won't be there next year and the Vikes will have to rely more heavily on the run game - more touches for Peterson, but also more health/injury concern. It's a simple preference for: (top production now/little more risky situation/less risky health concern) over (3-4 year high quality but not #1 production/a little less risky situation/a little more risky health concern). Once again, there is nothing to your theory that Foster is less of a health concern. Nothing. There is one fact. That fact is: ADP is a better running back than Foster is.

Also, I guess you don't like Mike Goodson either because he isn't "proven". Hes averaging 4.4 ypc compared to Stewart's 3.9 this year. Wow.

I didn't even bother responding to that nonsense. Just awful.

 

[NorrisB]

Foster is basically a Shannahan RB

 

[Hoosier16]

I wonder how many of the votes for Arian Foster were by Arian Foster owners. We get that you love Foster and his cheap acquisition price.....but take the blinders off. Is it really that hard to understand you should value track record higher?

Foster owner who voted ADP. I'd take Foster 2nd. My only concern about Foster is the presence of Tate and the possibility he'll be given some opportunity. I'm pretty sure I won't be disappointed next year with Foster.

 

[Ilov80s]

Peterson and MJD have a consistency factor that can not be underrated.

 

[TGinKC]

CJ owner who voted ADP and would take Foster 2nd. Come on guys, this new coach, new offence thing doesn't apply to ADP and maybe CJ too? Oh yeah, they are "elite" and Foster is some undrafted bum, who is walking through holes that all of us could...

 

[flranger]

It could be Deangelo Williams in a bunch of leagues playing for someone like the Packers or Patriots I'd say.

Think when Turner left SD and went to ATL. That's what I see for him next year if he hits right situation.

 

[Herm23]

I wonder how many of the votes for Arian Foster were by Arian Foster owners. We get that you love Foster and his cheap acquisition price.....but take the blinders off. Is it really that hard to understand you should value track record higher?

I'm waiting for a reply to my post yet!

 

[aimlessgun]

Related question: how much would you bid on these guys in a 200$ auction draft? Consider this year AP/CJ ranged from 60-70$

As for the poll, I voted AP because I didn't see the PPR caveat. Foster no1 in PPR.

 

[BlueBandit24]

It could be Deangelo Williams in a bunch of leagues playing for someone like the Packers or Patriots I'd say.Think when Turner left SD and went to ATL. That's what I see for him next year if he hits right situation.

An interesting call. I feel DeAngelo is an elite talent at running back and I would love to see what he can do in a great situation (not that Carolina has been a bad one - save this year). Given the fact that he missed a good chunk of 2010 he could be a fantastic value in 2011.

 

[cvnpoka]

Peterson is the risk averse play, Foster is the stat geek play.

confidence intervals tho

 

[Ping Pong]

I think the answer to this question has to be AP. I would put Foster 2nd, and wouldn't be disappointed with either of them, but AP has to go first in my mind, mainly because of his consistency. I see a lot of people arguing for Foster saying that he's putting up these amazing numbers this year, and there should be no change next year, so of course he'll be the #1 FF producer next year too!

To counter this argument, I simply need to point to CJ2K. He had a good rookie year, then exploded in his second year with a record setting year. That caused him to be drafted as the 1.1 this year, and while he's no slouch, he's not exactly carrying your team either. He's currently the 7th highest scoring RB, almost 50 points behind AP. What changed from last year to this year? Well, you can say that injuries and ineffectiveness by Vince Young contributed, but these were all issues that were there last year, and there were already whispers of CJ's demise in the beginning of this year. What happened is that suddenly CJ came back to earth.

There are more extreme examples of running backs doing extremely well one year, and then failing to meet the lofty expectations (Forte, Slaton, Rice, etc), but people can always claim "oh but Foster's more talented so this won't happen to him!" That's why I went with CJ, because these were the exact same things people were saying about him last year. I do believe that Foster will put up good numbers next year, and there's a decent chance he'll be great again. However, AP has already proven that he can put up top 3 numbers year in and year out, weathering all sorts of personnel changes.

 

[Concept Coop]

I get that 3-4 years is more reliable in terms of betting rather than 1 1/4 years. I disagree that Peterson will be able to perform on the same level he has for the next 3-4 years though. In my mind, health and a player's 'legs' are critical. ADP's run style is aggressive as all hell. I can't see him staying healthy, running as hard as he has for another 3-4 years.. it just defies logic. A RB's 'prime years' are shorter than ever. That's why I like Foster so much. His situation is likely to stay the same, he is an extremely talented back (I play in a PPR league), and he is entering his 2nd full season, with the experience of finding/hitting the holes hard but not yet at a point where physical health is a concern. Zone blocking gives him bigger running lanes so he doesn't have to go all John Rambo like Peterson does every week. Its going to take a toll on ADP... and its likely to happen sooner than it is with Foster.

Peterson has played in 52 straight games, a few through injury. Projecting him to hit a wall before 30 is not wise. Projecting beyond 3-4 years in a dynasty format, in general, is also not wise.If you think Foster is the safer bet, for other reasons: Great. If you think he is because of injury: you need to do some "Arian Foster + Tennessee" Google searches and read about his history.

 

[Concept Coop]

Redraft:

ADP

Foster

MJD

CJ

JC

Dynasty:

ADP

CJ

MJD

JC/AF

 

[Koya]

I get that 3-4 years is more reliable in terms of betting rather than 1 1/4 years. I disagree that Peterson will be able to perform on the same level he has for the next 3-4 years though. In my mind, health and a player's 'legs' are critical. ADP's run style is aggressive as all hell. I can't see him staying healthy, running as hard as he has for another 3-4 years.. it just defies logic. A RB's 'prime years' are shorter than ever. That's why I like Foster so much. His situation is likely to stay the same, he is an extremely talented back (I play in a PPR league), and he is entering his 2nd full season, with the experience of finding/hitting the holes hard but not yet at a point where physical health is a concern. Zone blocking gives him bigger running lanes so he doesn't have to go all John Rambo like Peterson does every week. Its going to take a toll on ADP... and its likely to happen sooner than it is with Foster.

Peterson has played in 52 straight games, a few through injury. Projecting him to hit a wall before 30 is not wise. Projecting beyond 3-4 years in a dynasty format, in general, is also not wise.If you think Foster is the safer bet, for other reasons: Great. If you think he is because of injury: you need to do some "Arian Foster + Tennessee" Google searches and read about his history.

I think you need to differentiate between injury and wear and tear. Projecting Peterson to hit a wall before 30 seems pretty wise to me. For the reasons you state - 52 straight games, some through injury. That's a lot of miles for a RB. The question is, if the RB can avoid serious injury in the first place is twofold:

1) At what age will the inevitable decline hit? For many, its 28-29, some even a year earlier. The more a back is utilized while young, the more likely the decline will happen sooner, especially for a big, physical back (like A Peterson).

2) Will the RB experience a decline, hit the wall, or fall off a cliff. We have seen them all, and not like I can tell you which is likely to occur, although I'd wager a guess that a RB who needs their speed is more likely to hit a wall or worse if they wear and tear to the point of losing a step, and their key advantage.

You do bring up a good point in that you can't project much beyond 3 years in FF, and even that can be a stretch. However, if you really are looking long term, Peterson has more miles on him than Foster for example. But imo, should Peterson stay healthy I think we are a good two years from worrying about a decline within a 3 year window.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

its ADP no idea about anything after him.

 

[buster c]

If it's going to be a RB, I think McCoy should be thrown in the mix. I'd take a WR though.

which McCoy?

 

[Concept Coop]

I get that 3-4 years is more reliable in terms of betting rather than 1 1/4 years. I disagree that Peterson will be able to perform on the same level he has for the next 3-4 years though. In my mind, health and a player's 'legs' are critical. ADP's run style is aggressive as all hell. I can't see him staying healthy, running as hard as he has for another 3-4 years.. it just defies logic. A RB's 'prime years' are shorter than ever. That's why I like Foster so much. His situation is likely to stay the same, he is an extremely talented back (I play in a PPR league), and he is entering his 2nd full season, with the experience of finding/hitting the holes hard but not yet at a point where physical health is a concern. Zone blocking gives him bigger running lanes so he doesn't have to go all John Rambo like Peterson does every week. Its going to take a toll on ADP... and its likely to happen sooner than it is with Foster.

Peterson has played in 52 straight games, a few through injury. Projecting him to hit a wall before 30 is not wise. Projecting beyond 3-4 years in a dynasty format, in general, is also not wise.If you think Foster is the safer bet, for other reasons: Great. If you think he is because of injury: you need to do some "Arian Foster + Tennessee" Google searches and read about his history.

I think you need to differentiate between injury and wear and tear. Projecting Peterson to hit a wall before 30 seems pretty wise to me. For the reasons you state - 52 straight games, some through injury. That's a lot of miles for a RB. The question is, if the RB can avoid serious injury in the first place is twofold:

1) At what age will the inevitable decline hit? For many, its 28-29, some even a year earlier. The more a back is utilized while young, the more likely the decline will happen sooner, especially for a big, physical back (like A Peterson).

2) Will the RB experience a decline, hit the wall, or fall off a cliff. We have seen them all, and not like I can tell you which is likely to occur, although I'd wager a guess that a RB who needs their speed is more likely to hit a wall or worse if they wear and tear to the point of losing a step, and their key advantage.

You do bring up a good point in that you can't project much beyond 3 years in FF, and even that can be a stretch. However, if you really are looking long term, Peterson has more miles on him than Foster for example. But imo, should Peterson stay healthy I think we are a good two years from worrying about a decline within a 3 year window.

Injury and wear and tear go hand in hand, although I know they are not the same thing.How many RBs as great as AP fell of before 30, or 29 even? I would be interested to see, as he is clearly a special physical specimen. And I thought I read an SSOG study that shows age is more important that carry count, when predicting a fall off. Foster is one year younger.

 

[ScottyDog]

THERE WILL NOT BE REPLACEMENT PLAYERS. The replacement players play when the NFL players strike. This is a LOCK OUT. The owners are essentially the ones striking.

No one because of the lockout.

Maurice Clarett.... because of the lockout and replacement players

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

I can't rank Foster that high. He's more Steve Slaton than you may realize.

Go down to FOSTER TD. Slaton did not do that.Foster can pound. He can catch. He can fly. I won't fault calls for ADP over Foster but the dude deserves a lot of fantasy respect.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Steve Slaton isn't Arian Foster. The poster's point is valid. If you watch a lot of the games, its VERY apparent that Foster and Hillis are what everything on those teams begins and ends with. They seemingly are viable targets on every play. I think the poster makes a really good point. Sometimes you just have to go with what is really going on. I can understand holding a reservation if you see a comparable guy that has done it more than once and has more track record, but I can't see at all wanting to downgrade a guy based on what the guy before him failed to do. I don't know what qualifies as "elite talent" but I DO know that opportunity and situaiton MUST be relevant factors into the situation and I like the Texans offensive situation (and poor defensive situation) for Fantasy considerations, for sure. Right now, Arian Foster reminds me a lot of Priest Holmes, Terrell Davis, Brian Westbrook in their primes. He is the cog that makes that team go and I like my first pick being that important and having that much involvement. You know, talent is great but you REALLY have to consider those other factors. Some people Might argue that Shonn Greene or Ryan Matthews would be a major factor in FF if they had the opportunity/situation that Foster does. In fact, I guess they already did argue that point based on how high those guys were drafted. But Foster has taken that situation and excelled. Plus, its not like he's a slouch. Again, I don't knwo what constitutes elite talent in your opinion but I do know that when you lead the NFL in yards, TDs, catches at the position, and are in the top 3 in yards per carry, you obviously are as good or better than most.

You aren't getting it. It's not that Steve Slaton didn't do anything prior to Foster getting there. It's that HE DID....and then disappeared. It's a very fantasy friendly offense for RBs. My observation about Derrick Ward stands. He's performed very well in that offense this year (6.1 ypc on nearly 40 carries with 3 TDs) and he was a disaster last year on the Bucs.

He disappeared because first, he was a fumbler. Then he suffered a neck injury that required surgery, surgery some thought he wouldn't recover from because of nerve damage.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

I'd be interested to see where the Foster supporters rank Hillis. Situations aren't much different at all.

Ok. You're clearly fishing. I get it now.

 

[sgtrobo]

nice to see this season has brought folks back down to earth regarding Johnson.

Great runner, but the way people went ape#### over him this preseason while completely forgetting about Adrian Peterson was just humorous.

 

[doowain]

I get that 3-4 years is more reliable in terms of betting rather than 1 1/4 years. I disagree that Peterson will be able to perform on the same level he has for the next 3-4 years though. In my mind, health and a player's 'legs' are critical. ADP's run style is aggressive as all hell. I can't see him staying healthy, running as hard as he has for another 3-4 years.. it just defies logic. A RB's 'prime years' are shorter than ever. That's why I like Foster so much. His situation is likely to stay the same, he is an extremely talented back (I play in a PPR league), and he is entering his 2nd full season, with the experience of finding/hitting the holes hard but not yet at a point where physical health is a concern. Zone blocking gives him bigger running lanes so he doesn't have to go all John Rambo like Peterson does every week. Its going to take a toll on ADP... and its likely to happen sooner than it is with Foster.

Peterson has played in 52 straight games, a few through injury. Projecting him to hit a wall before 30 is not wise. Projecting beyond 3-4 years in a dynasty format, in general, is also not wise.If you think Foster is the safer bet, for other reasons: Great. If you think he is because of injury: you need to do some "Arian Foster + Tennessee" Google searches and read about his history.

I think you need to differentiate between injury and wear and tear. Projecting Peterson to hit a wall before 30 seems pretty wise to me. For the reasons you state - 52 straight games, some through injury. That's a lot of miles for a RB. The question is, if the RB can avoid serious injury in the first place is twofold:

1) At what age will the inevitable decline hit? For many, its 28-29, some even a year earlier. The more a back is utilized while young, the more likely the decline will happen sooner, especially for a big, physical back (like A Peterson).

2) Will the RB experience a decline, hit the wall, or fall off a cliff. We have seen them all, and not like I can tell you which is likely to occur, although I'd wager a guess that a RB who needs their speed is more likely to hit a wall or worse if they wear and tear to the point of losing a step, and their key advantage.

You do bring up a good point in that you can't project much beyond 3 years in FF, and even that can be a stretch. However, if you really are looking long term, Peterson has more miles on him than Foster for example. But imo, should Peterson stay healthy I think we are a good two years from worrying about a decline within a 3 year window.

So when did Peterson become strictly a speed runner?

 

[doowain]

I can't rank Foster that high. He's more Steve Slaton than you may realize.

Go down to FOSTER TD. Slaton did not do that.Foster can pound. He can catch. He can fly. I won't fault calls for ADP over Foster but the dude deserves a lot of fantasy respect.

Sweet Jesus, how poor is your reading comprehension? Or do you just pick and choose what you want to comment on? I said Slaton and Foster ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF RBs. But they are both RBs that came out of nowhere into fantasy relevance and far outperformed their ADP. And they both did it in a zone blocking scheme behind an incredible O-line (which is even better now than it was then). If it weren't for Slaton's fumbilitis and season ending injury last year, he may still be the starter. How are we to know?He's more Steve Slaton than you may realize, because he's a huge risk due to the chance of disappearing (A LA STEVE SLATON). It's clear to me that any RB in that offense is going to look good. Steve Slaton, Derrick Ward, Arian Foster.....hell, even Ahman Green plodded his way to 4.0 ypc. That's not to say Foster isn't talented, but it's certainly something to consider. All of you ignoring the risks and red flags are making a mistake.

 

[Sundog]

As for the poll question, despite what I just said I think Peterson is the no brainer #1. The worry around Foster is not talent or competition for his job (he has completely put those to bed over the course of the season), but simply lack of track record and uncertain coaching future. I do agree with Doowain that I want a level of security out of my top pick and Peterson simply provides more certainty (as do MJD and Chris Johnson, for that matter). Whether it's name recognition bias or something else at work, I just feel more comfortable with Peterson (or MJD or Chris Johnson) as my top pick than I do Foster. That doesn't mean I don't think Foster will have a great year next season (I do), but rather I just feel more confident that Peterson (or MJD or Chris Johnson) will.

This is a

 

[doowain]

I'd be interested to see where the Foster supporters rank Hillis. Situations aren't much different at all.

Ok. You're clearly fishing. I get it now.

Yawn.Ok, I'll break it down for you like a small child, because clearly that's what it takes.FosterUndrafted out of college where he played behind superior optionsNot playing for the team that drafted him (clearly)Earned starting job after a highly drafted RB suffered season ending injuryTeam is leaning on him in the passing game due to limited options (Walter and Jacoby have sucked....Owen Daniels hurt all year)Main option at the goallineHillis7th round pick out of college where he played behind superior optionsNot playing for the team that drafted himEarned starting job after a highly drafted RB suffered season ending injuryTeam is leaning on him in the passing game due to limited options (Cleveland's WRs are a joke)Main option at the goallineSo for all of the love that Foster is getting, where is the same love for Hillis? If Foster can keep it up and should be the 1.01 next year, why is Hillis not even in the conversation for Top 5? He's currently the #2 RB in PPR leagues. Hillis has looked powerful, fast, catches the ball extremely well. He's not a one trick pony and has done it on a far worse team than Foster. He's the only real threat in the offense and still no one can stop him. So, to me, he's been even more impressive than Foster.THAT is why they similar and THAT is why I wonder where Foster owners rank Hillis.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

I'd be interested to see where the Foster supporters rank Hillis. Situations aren't much different at all.

Ok. You're clearly fishing. I get it now.

Yawn.Ok, I'll break it down for you like a small child, because clearly that's what it takes.FosterUndrafted out of college where he played behind superior optionsNot playing for the team that drafted him (clearly)Earned starting job after a highly drafted RB suffered season ending injuryTeam is leaning on him in the passing game due to limited options (Walter and Jacoby have sucked....Owen Daniels hurt all year)Main option at the goallineHillis7th round pick out of college where he played behind superior optionsNot playing for the team that drafted himEarned starting job after a highly drafted RB suffered season ending injuryTeam is leaning on him in the passing game due to limited options (Cleveland's WRs are a joke)Main option at the goallineSo for all of the love that Foster is getting, where is the same love for Hillis? If Foster can keep it up and should be the 1.01 next year, why is Hillis not even in the conversation for Top 5? He's currently the #2 RB in PPR leagues. Hillis has looked powerful, fast, catches the ball extremely well. He's not a one trick pony and has done it on a far worse team than Foster. He's the only real threat in the offense and still no one can stop him. So, to me, he's been even more impressive than Foster.THAT is why they similar and THAT is why I wonder where Foster owners rank Hillis.

Guess you haven't heard of Schaub or Andre Johnson. You've been sufficiently discounted and dismissed in this thread. No need for more.

 

[doowain]

I'd be interested to see where the Foster supporters rank Hillis. Situations aren't much different at all.

Ok. You're clearly fishing. I get it now.

Yawn.Ok, I'll break it down for you like a small child, because clearly that's what it takes.FosterUndrafted out of college where he played behind superior optionsNot playing for the team that drafted him (clearly)Earned starting job after a highly drafted RB suffered season ending injuryTeam is leaning on him in the passing game due to limited options (Walter and Jacoby have sucked....Owen Daniels hurt all year)Main option at the goallineHillis7th round pick out of college where he played behind superior optionsNot playing for the team that drafted himEarned starting job after a highly drafted RB suffered season ending injuryTeam is leaning on him in the passing game due to limited options (Cleveland's WRs are a joke)Main option at the goallineSo for all of the love that Foster is getting, where is the same love for Hillis? If Foster can keep it up and should be the 1.01 next year, why is Hillis not even in the conversation for Top 5? He's currently the #2 RB in PPR leagues. Hillis has looked powerful, fast, catches the ball extremely well. He's not a one trick pony and has done it on a far worse team than Foster. He's the only real threat in the offense and still no one can stop him. So, to me, he's been even more impressive than Foster.THAT is why they similar and THAT is why I wonder where Foster owners rank Hillis.

Guess you haven't heard of Schaub or Andre Johnson. You've been sufficiently discounted and dismissed in this thread. No need for more.

Huh? What do Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub have to do with this comparison of Arian Foster and Peyton Hillis?Wow you're dense.

 

[Herm23]

I'd be interested to see where the Foster supporters rank Hillis. Situations aren't much different at all.

Ok. You're clearly fishing. I get it now.

Yawn.Ok, I'll break it down for you like a small child, because clearly that's what it takes.FosterUndrafted out of college where he played behind superior optionsNot playing for the team that drafted him (clearly)Earned starting job after a highly drafted RB suffered season ending injuryTeam is leaning on him in the passing game due to limited options (Walter and Jacoby have sucked....Owen Daniels hurt all year)Main option at the goallineHillis7th round pick out of college where he played behind superior optionsNot playing for the team that drafted himEarned starting job after a highly drafted RB suffered season ending injuryTeam is leaning on him in the passing game due to limited options (Cleveland's WRs are a joke)Main option at the goallineSo for all of the love that Foster is getting, where is the same love for Hillis? If Foster can keep it up and should be the 1.01 next year, why is Hillis not even in the conversation for Top 5? He's currently the #2 RB in PPR leagues. Hillis has looked powerful, fast, catches the ball extremely well. He's not a one trick pony and has done it on a far worse team than Foster. He's the only real threat in the offense and still no one can stop him. So, to me, he's been even more impressive than Foster.THAT is why they similar and THAT is why I wonder where Foster owners rank Hillis.

Guess you haven't heard of Schaub or Andre Johnson. You've been sufficiently discounted and dismissed in this thread. No need for more.

Huh? What do Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub have to do with this comparison of Arian Foster and Peyton Hillis?Wow you're dense.

STILL waiting for you to respond to my post on page 1. Are you ducking me?!

 

[doowain]

STILL waiting for you to respond to my post on page 1. Are you ducking me?!

You didn't ask a question or raise a point that needed an "answer". So, no, I'm not ducking you.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I can't rank Foster that high. He's more Steve Slaton than you may realize.

Go down to FOSTER TD. Slaton did not do that.Foster can pound. He can catch. He can fly. I won't fault calls for ADP over Foster but the dude deserves a lot of fantasy respect.

Sweet Jesus, how poor is your reading comprehension? Or do you just pick and choose what you want to comment on? I said Slaton and Foster ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF RBs. But they are both RBs that came out of nowhere into fantasy relevance and far outperformed their ADP. And they both did it in a zone blocking scheme behind an incredible O-line (which is even better now than it was then). If it weren't for Slaton's fumbilitis and season ending injury last year, he may still be the starter. How are we to know?He's more Steve Slaton than you may realize, because he's a huge risk due to the chance of disappearing (A LA STEVE SLATON). It's clear to me that any RB in that offense is going to look good. Steve Slaton, Derrick Ward, Arian Foster.....hell, even Ahman Green plodded his way to 4.0 ypc. That's not to say Foster isn't talented, but it's certainly something to consider. All of you ignoring the risks and red flags are making a mistake.

You lost me at "incredible O-line." There's probably not a Pro Bowler in the bunch...ETA: NO RB looked good for the Texans last season until Foster played the final 2 games. The running game was possibly the worst in the league...

 

[Concept Coop]

You lost me at "incredible O-line." There's probably not a Pro Bowler in the bunch...ETA: NO RB looked good for the Texans last season until Foster played the final 2 games. The running game was possibly the worst in the league...

Have you watched them play? Arian Foster has as many big holes as anyone in football.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

I'd be interested to see where the Foster supporters rank Hillis. Situations aren't much different at all.

Ok. You're clearly fishing. I get it now.

Yawn.Ok, I'll break it down for you like a small child, because clearly that's what it takes.FosterUndrafted out of college where he played behind superior optionsNot playing for the team that drafted him (clearly)Earned starting job after a highly drafted RB suffered season ending injuryTeam is leaning on him in the passing game due to limited options (Walter and Jacoby have sucked....Owen Daniels hurt all year)Main option at the goallineHillis7th round pick out of college where he played behind superior optionsNot playing for the team that drafted himEarned starting job after a highly drafted RB suffered season ending injuryTeam is leaning on him in the passing game due to limited options (Cleveland's WRs are a joke)Main option at the goallineSo for all of the love that Foster is getting, where is the same love for Hillis? If Foster can keep it up and should be the 1.01 next year, why is Hillis not even in the conversation for Top 5? He's currently the #2 RB in PPR leagues. Hillis has looked powerful, fast, catches the ball extremely well. He's not a one trick pony and has done it on a far worse team than Foster. He's the only real threat in the offense and still no one can stop him. So, to me, he's been even more impressive than Foster.THAT is why they similar and THAT is why I wonder where Foster owners rank Hillis.

Guess you haven't heard of Schaub or Andre Johnson. You've been sufficiently discounted and dismissed in this thread. No need for more.

Huh? What do Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub have to do with this comparison of Arian Foster and Peyton Hillis?Wow you're dense.

I guess it's lost on you but I'll take a top FF RB in a very good to great offense over an RB in an offense with no WRs and a rookie QB. You can have all the Cleveland guys you want. Seriously. You can have all of them.

 

[BigSauceking]

Here is the simplest explanation:

Adrian peterson, Chris johnson, and MJD are all 100% guaranteed their job. barring injury, in 2011, if there is a season, each of these guys will see 20-25, possibly 30 a game, with the appropriate situation and talent levels to do something with those touches.

The browns and texans both drafted rookies to be their feature back that WERENT Foster/Hillis. Nobody thought about foster as a top 30 RB until Ben Tate got hurt. Nobody knew who Hillis was until Montario got hurt, and Harrison got pushed out of town and people realized he was legit.

That being said, its just stupid to hear this Hillis/Foster dont have talent stuff because clearly they do. But you have to think when Tate and Hardesty come back the team isn't going to just bury them. They were slated to start and the trend in the nfl is to generally not overwork one back if you dont have to. And with AP CJ and MJD, their backups have never stolen valuable touches and never will.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

You lost me at "incredible O-line." There's probably not a Pro Bowler in the bunch...ETA: NO RB looked good for the Texans last season until Foster played the final 2 games. The running game was possibly the worst in the league...

Have you watched them play? Arian Foster has as many big holes as anyone in football.

Every game. I see a RB who almost always makes the first man miss, finds those holes, and is an excellent receiver. Slaton got so worried about fumbling that all he does now is run into the back of O-linemen. Ward has done a nice job but he's still a noticeable dropoff IMO. I will grant you that the line is more physical than last season, but they started looking like that the last two games of last season (at MIA, vs. NE) as soon as Foster was inserted into the lineup. Coincidence? Maybe, but I think the improvement overall has a lot to do with having a damned good RB now. I can't really quantify or debate the size of the holes each RB gets. Look at the Colts running game this year--that's what our great system looked like last year. To me Foster looks as good as any RB in the league right now. The system definitely works for him, but the system definitely didn't work without him last season. We went from being a terrible red zone offense to one of the best just because of him IMO. I don't fault people who would choose Peterson or Chris Johnson, I'm just trying to say I think Foster is legit...