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Yet people will use a pitchers wins all the time to say how good their season is. It happens all the time and I think it's more a force of habit than anything else. The majority of people still use wins as a meaningful stat and it's used as a stat in fantasy baseball. This doesn't make it right but it's still going on.
Really? I have heard plenty of times pitchers being congratulated that they got a 20 win season.
To clarify, wins and losses do mean something, just not everything. It's no coincidence that over the long haul the best QBs' teams always win a lot of games (Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, etc.). I just think the playoffs are such a small sample size that you have to look at how a QB performs and not just at Ws and Ls. People love to say, "Flacco has beaten Brady in NE twice in the playoffs," ignoring the fact that he was atrocious in the first win there. Same with Roethlisberger, whom many love to overrate because he has two Super Bowl wins, even though he was awful in the first and merely good in the second (he was mediocre in that one too before the final drive).
What possible difference does he have on QB sneak success? Yikes, with all due respect you have no idea what your talking about, but don't take my word for it.
FTR, in fairness to my comments on him I started by saying he is fantastic and noting blame for a loss could be right or wrong. Obviously if he plays well and still loses he shouldn't be blamed for it. Whether fair or not, should he lose most people aren't going to look back at the details of each playoff loss as much as they will look at the overall playoff w/l record; thats just the way it typically works.
Brady is not a running qb and that is reflected in the links; I don't really see anything that reflects on the following.
That's something that needs to be considered. It's easy to beat up on the Jets and BUF 4 times a year. Then you add in the Rams and SF and CLE. Jesus, 6 of Brady's opponents were the worst of the worst. They lost to BUF when it was their hack 3rd stringer at QB.
Very good post. Matt Ryan could be gone on the Falcons and they would still be a very good team.k
He should and it's not close between him and Ryan imo. It's closer between Brady and Rodgers.
A QB on a 6 loss team is not going to be MVP unless he makes a run at 6K yards or 60 TD.
Well no, its not actually easy to beat up on the Jets and Buf every year at least as far as passing def. Both those teams have often been pretty good defending the pass over recent memory. This myth that their division is perennially weak defensively (more so than other divs) for bradys career is imho just that, a myth.
playoffs don't matter. voting is done already. while I agree if he played 1y games he'd have a much better case, what Brady and Ryan have done this year statistically, and Rodgers single handedly getting gb to the playoffs, it'd be hard to crack the top even with 4 more games
Ryan had the toughest schedule in terms of opponent defensive rankings based on DVOA. The same 50 voters for the All-Pro team vote for the MVP and they voted 1st team for Matt Ryan by a large margin over Brady. In Vegas, Ryan is the heavy MVP favorite for voting (1 to 3, you need to bet $300 to win $100). Second place is Rodgers at 7 to 2 (You bet $100 to win $350). It appears Ryan will win it.
I thought the argument about Collinsworth bringing anything of value to a broadcast was put to bed YEARS ago...
I think we can both be right, the statistics I referenced were based on the pass defs he faced and my reply was in response to some who were implying ryan had it so much harder than brady (he didn't).
I agree, but right or wrong the mvp award is usually given to the guy with the best stats on the winning-est teams and often not necessarily the most important player to his team. Unfortunately any chance Carr had went out the window (just like their chances in the playoffs) when he hurt his finger and leg.
I'm not saying that Carr should be in the running but I'm honestly having a hard time understanding why his injury (and him missing one game) has any relevance on the voting when Brady missed 4 games earlier in the year and is considered in the running. Brady is ahead of Carr because of stats. The injury to Carr should have no impact on the voting.
Maybe I wasn't being clear enuf, all I meant was injuries prevented Carr from padding stats at the end of the season and that put him at a disadvantage vs Ryan, Brady n Rodgers. With such a close race finishing strong was a requirement and unlike the others Carr never even had the chance.
He will probably win it but he is not more valuable than Rodger is to his team. So yes he will probably win it but he shouldn't. The level at which Rodgers is playing right now is has rarely if ever been seen.
MVP = offensive player of the year from the best team. Zeke would probably be that from Dallas.
Fine, give it to him. To argue in the case of Rodgers or Ryan is foolish, imo. I'd say Dak hands down though. Don't care that he's a rookie either. Could be his only season. Dak it is.
Yeah I understand but putting aside what normally happens and who you think is going to win. Just thought I'd see if you actually think Matt Ryan is better than Rodgers or if he's been asked to do more with less than Rodgers has been.
