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Who's the 2016 NFL MVP right now? (1 Viewer)

@Anarchy99

What would the Packers record be with Matt Ryan?

What would the Falcons record be with Aaron Rodgers?
Falcons with Rodgers would be like 22-0 this season. Other teams would forfeit, mothers would hide their children.  But he wouldn't get as much for ads.

 
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Ryan will win the MVP.  However, 2 years from now no one will remember Ryan from this season.  They will remember Elliot's incredible rookie year, Rodgers ridiculous second half and Brady's crazy return from suspension.  On top of that, there isn't a single sane NFL fan, of the Falcons, or any one else who would ever choose Ryan as their qb over Rodgers or Brady.  This is classic shiny new toy syndrome. This reminds me of those look back at the Best Picture winner from the Oscars when everyone collectively thinks, WTF 

 
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I'd argue Ryan isn't much better than replacement level really so it's pretty sad if he wins the MVP. 

 
Ryan will win the MVP.  However, 2 years from now no one will remember Ryan from this season.  They will remember Elliot's incredible rookie year, Rodgers ridiculous second half and Brady's crazy return from suspension.  On top of that, there isn't a single sane NFL fan, of the Falcons, or any one else who would ever choose Ryan as their qb over Rodgers or Brady.  This is classic shiny new toy syndrome. This reminds me of those look back at the Best Picture winner from the Oscars when everyone collectively thinks, WTF 
New toy?  Career year sure.  

 
I'm guessing that at some point Brees should win MVP more as a lifetime achievement award. He has more 5,000 yard passing seasons (5) than the entire history of NFL QBs have had put together (4).

 
New toy?  Career year sure.  
It's an NFL writer's award.  They love new narratives.  Writing about Rodgers or Brady again, is not interesting.  Those stories have already been written.  This is all about eye balls, in magazines, blogs, Sportscenter and newspapers.  To think otherwise is kidding yourself

 
We just going to forget how badly he sucked for 1/2 the year? 
The shear fact that is your statement proves how much people expect of him.

4,428 passing, 40 td's, 7 int's, 369 rushing, 4 td's

So 4,797 combined yards, 44 total td's and 7 int's.  Rough year 

 
He really didn't.  He didn't play well at times, and the eye test said he wasn't quite himself, but his numbers still were good overall (YPA was down, but was still throwing a lot of TDs and not many picks).  He threw just as many TDs in the first eight games as he did in the last eight. 

Don't be surprised when Shanahan leaves and Ryan falls apart. He's had long stretches of being terrible. 
Which is all irrelevant to his MVP status for the 2016 season. 

 
It's an NFL writer's award.  They love new narratives.  Writing about Rodgers or Brady again, is not interesting.  Those stories have already been written.  This is all about eye balls, in magazines, blogs, Sportscenter and newspapers.  To think otherwise is kidding yourself
Ok. That makes more sense.  He's a story.  Also has been the mvp this year. 

 
The shear fact that is your statement proves how much people expect of him.

4,428 passing, 40 td's, 7 int's, 369 rushing, 4 td's

So 4,797 combined yards, 44 total td's and 7 int's.  Rough year 
Didnt say he had bad stats on the year, but there was a terrible stretch of games to start the year that shouldnt be ignored for a year-long award.  

 
Didnt say he had bad stats on the year, but there was a terrible stretch of games to start the year that shouldnt be ignored for a year-long award.  
To that point, the people who act like Rodgers stretch at the end of the season should be deciding factor are silly.  The whole season matters.  I think Rodgers early season struggles are slightly overstated, but giving a guy the MVP just because he was the best at the end of the season doesn't make sense. 

 
People like to point to the fact that Brady shouldn't get it b/c they went 3-1 without him.  GB wasn't winning with Rodgers to start the year.  Respect the talent and he had an amazing run to finish the year, just don't think he is the 2016 mvp. 

 
To that point, the people who act like Rodgers stretch at the end of the season should be deciding factor are silly.  The whole season matters.  I think Rodgers early season struggles are slightly overstated, but giving a guy the MVP just because he was the best at the end of the season doesn't make sense. 
Which is also why I am not a huge fan of comeback stats and game winning drives. Play better for 3 quarters then you wouldn't need to make a comeback. Also why I am not a huge fan of the QBR metric which emphasizes clutch plays at the end of the game. If you are up by 3 scores, you don't need to make a big play late to win.

 
I think Ryan had a great season.  I just come back to this simple point.  If you stripped all 32 teams of their qb's and had current GM's redraft, there isn't a single one of them who would take him over Rodgers or Brady including Dimitroff.  It reminds me of the NBA where Jordan and LeBron have been or are clearly the best players, but every once in a while someone else wins the award.  So I fully support Ryan as offensive player of the year, just not MVP.  Maybe it's semantics but I think there's a difference.  I just can't see the MVP as someone who most likely will revert to a QB rating of 90 and 25 td's and 15 int's next year

 
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Which is also why I am not a huge fan of comeback stats and game winning drives. Play better for 3 quarters then you wouldn't need to make a comeback. Also why I am not a huge fan of the QBR metric which emphasizes clutch plays at the end of the game. If you are up by 3 scores, you don't need to make a big play late to win.
Those stats are overrated but I give some credit to the performance under pressure.  

 
I think Ryan had a great season.  I just come back to this simple point.  If you stripped all 32 teams of their qb's and had current GM's redraft, there isn't a single one of them who would take him over Rodgers or Brady including Dimitroff.  It reminds me of the NBA where Jordan and LeBron have been or are clearly the best players but everyone once in a while someone else wins the award.  So I fully support Ryan as offensive player of the year, just not MVP.  Maybe it's semantics but I think there's a difference.  I just can't see the MVP as someone who most likely will revert to a QB rating of 90 and 25 td's and 15 int's next year
Understood, but frankly my dear I don't give a damn.  (About what I think he'll do next year)

 
Which is all irrelevant to his MVP status for the 2016 season. 
It certainly is. It means it's not him but the system, coach, and surrounding talent. If the voters weren't oh wow look how many yards he threw for and he lead(he didn't) his team to 11 wins crap we might actually get the true MVP this year. 

 
Rodger's stats weren't really bad when they were losing.  But I don't really think the MVP is really about stats much as it is who is the most integral to their team's success.  There is really no way for the Packers to win without Rodgers.  nufced

 
Rodger's stats weren't really bad when they were losing.  But I don't really think the MVP is really about stats much as it is who is the most integral to their team's success.  There is really no way for the Packers to win without Rodgers.  nufced
Right in your argument you bring up how they were losing with him too.  

 
Ryan's the leagues most overrated player maybe. So if he wins maybe change the name from MVP to MOP. 

 
No MVP's should be the most valuable player in the league that year. 
According to your definition of MVP and your specialized requirements that you deem worthy. Got it.

I'm guessing the Raiders could have been 0-16 without Carr given how dysfunctional they looked without him. If the MVP is the guy worth the most wins, then Carr would be the guy this season. Unless you have someone else that was worth 12 wins.

 
Yeah I understand but putting aside what normally happens and who you think is going to win. Just thought I'd see if you actually think Matt Ryan is better than Rodgers or if he's been asked to do more with less than Rodgers has been.

On a side note Rodgers just dismantled maybe the best defense in the league without his #1 WR.


I don't know, nor do I care.
Not sure what you are looking for, No, I don't think Ryan is better than Rodgers.
Anarchy doesn't seem to be falling into your trap.  No one in here is debating if Rodgers or Ryan is the better QB even though you're trying to make that argument. 

1. Rodgers is the better QB, not even debatable.
2. Given the way this award is handed out, and how voting works, Ryan is the most deserving player and likely is going to win it.

 

 
Anarchy doesn't seem to be falling into your trap.  No one in here is debating if Rodgers or Ryan is the better QB even though you're trying to make that argument. 

1. Rodgers is the better QB, not even debatable.
2. Given the way this award is handed out, and how voting works, Ryan is the most deserving player and likely is going to win it.

 
:goodposting:     Some people don't understand the point of this thread.  

 
Why? It hints that what really happened in Atlanta didn't have a lot to do with Matt Ryan. 
So we should go take back Cam Newton's award?  Or barry sanders from 97? 

Sometimes players have career years, when everything just works.  I'm not inclined to penalize them because I think they won't do it again. 

 
The award should go to the guy who made things happen on the field this year, not the guy who you think is most talented.

Maybe there's a kicker who I think of as the best, most reliable field goal kicker. He's the guy who I'd want on my roster next season, and the guy who I'd want taking the field for me in the closing seconds of a playoff game with my team down by 2 points. But if he happened to miss a few kicks this season, and some other kicker made his kicks, then I'd vote to give the award to the guy who made his kicks.

And it's the same if you're looking at quarterbacks for MVP. Give me the guy who made the throws, game in and game out, and led his offense to produce all season.

 
According to your definition of MVP and your specialized requirements that you deem worthy. Got it.

I'm guessing the Raiders could have been 0-16 without Carr given how dysfunctional they looked without him. If the MVP is the guy worth the most wins, then Carr would be the guy this season. Unless you have someone else that was worth 12 wins.
Nah Raiders had a great running game and the best defender in the league at the most valuable defensive position in the league. Keep trying though. 

Put Rodgers on the Raiders team......do they win more or less games?

 
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Nah Raiders had a great running game and the best defender in the league at the most valuable defensive position in the league. Keep trying though. 

Put Rodgers on the Raiders team......do they win more or less games?
Same or more.  He's on a whole other level than the rest of the NFL.  

 
Anarchy doesn't seem to be falling into your trap.  No one in here is debating if Rodgers or Ryan is the better QB even though you're trying to make that argument. 

1. Rodgers is the better QB, not even debatable.
2. Given the way this award is handed out, and how voting works, Ryan is the most deserving player and likely is going to win it.

 
The award is incorrectly named and  should be considered more of a team award.. The most valuable player in the league this year is not Matt Ryan and it seriously hurts the prestige of the award to give it to a player of his caliber. 

 
The award is incorrectly named and  should be considered more of a team award.. The most valuable player in the league this year is not Matt Ryan and it seriously hurts the prestige of the award to give it to a player of his caliber. 
We get it. It should br renamed the Aaron Ridgers award, and he should be able to continue to win it even after he retires. He should be able to win it in other sports, too. 

 
When the guy that wins the MVP wouldn't even be a top 10 pick in a redraft you know you're doing it wrong. 

This reminds me of the year the NBA gave David Robinson the MVP instead of Hakeem Olajuwon. If you don't know how that turned out you should check it out. Different sports so it won't translate the same but it's somewhat similar situations. One player is on a great team with a great coach, he's a solid player, and they've had a great year. The other player is one of if not the best to ever play his position on a team that isn't as good but he's carrying them. Of course Rodgers won't be able to destroy Ryan the way Hakeem did Mr. Robinson. The Packers D isn't close to Hakeem's..........

 
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