Sabertooth
Footballguy
And the Packers beat the 49ers last season? Make no sense to me. I am not saying Green Bay is great or anything but why do people think the 49ers are such a team on the rise when the Packers get no love at all?
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Why are the 49ers getting all the hype (1 Viewer)
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massraider
Footballguy
Two reasons: Frank Gore, and Brett Favre.Very difficult for people to think of a team with Brett Favre at QB a team on the rise. With Gore and a QB that showed dramatic improvement, the 49ers seem to be going in the right direction.Not saying the Pack is on the decline, but that's my guess, to answer your question.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
SF added Clements, D-Jax, and Lelie to a team that included Gore, Vernon Davis, and first overall pick Alex Smith. They also drafted the top LB prospect in Willis and another first round offensive lineman.
The Packers have Favre (no longer a spring chicken), lost Ahman Green, did not land Randy Moss or Larry Johnson (as rumored), did not get Marshawn Lynch as many had hoped, and at least on paper do not appear to have as many playmakers.
The Packers have Favre (no longer a spring chicken), lost Ahman Green, did not land Randy Moss or Larry Johnson (as rumored), did not get Marshawn Lynch as many had hoped, and at least on paper do not appear to have as many playmakers.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
I like the attention to the Packers. They had a strong draft last year with a bunch of draft picks. I think many are not as big of fans of this year's class; especially the DT they drafted in Round 1. However, I think this team is headed in the right direction.
As for the Niners, looking good. On the critical side, I think the trade they made to move into Round 1 and aquire their 2nd 1st rounder, OT Staley, is going to come back to haunt them as far as what they gave up.
49ers Get 1st round, No. 28: Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan
Patriots Get
4th round, No. 110 (traded)
2008 1st-round pick
The Niners made that trade before netting DJax so I'm sure the Pats missed a little on the smokescreen but the Patriots could be prime for next year. It's almost a certainty they'll have at least moved up in the first round next year. From #28 to wherever the Niners finish, not Top 5 in the NFL I don't think. A little bad luck for San Fran and the pats could get a Top 10 pick.
As for the Niners, looking good. On the critical side, I think the trade they made to move into Round 1 and aquire their 2nd 1st rounder, OT Staley, is going to come back to haunt them as far as what they gave up.
49ers Get 1st round, No. 28: Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan
Patriots Get
4th round, No. 110 (traded)
2008 1st-round pick
The Niners made that trade before netting DJax so I'm sure the Pats missed a little on the smokescreen but the Patriots could be prime for next year. It's almost a certainty they'll have at least moved up in the first round next year. From #28 to wherever the Niners finish, not Top 5 in the NFL I don't think. A little bad luck for San Fran and the pats could get a Top 10 pick.
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I was going to say the same thing but everyone thinks the Packers haven't done anything. The thing is, they really don't have as many holes as people think.
Young up and coming team with a solid D.
We need help on special teams, but Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy have both stated that they have really addressed that in this draft, Crosby, Hall, and Harris were all special team standouts in college.
Besides Driver we have Jennings who looked very good last year and will only improve. Ferguson is back, and although he's not great he has his moments and knows the offense as well as any of the other WRs. You also have to believe that one of the other WRs, be it Martin, Holiday, Francis, or one of the rookies will take advantage of the situation in Green Bay and end up making an impact.
Our O-line is vastly improved from just two years ago. They have a nice young group just coming into their own and showed glimpes of gelling at the end of the year last season.
If they can avoid the slow start that has plagued them the last couple of years I can see them making a run at the playoffs.
Just look at last season:
Loss to New Orleans - Up big early, then the defense deflated
Loss to Philly - a tale of two halves. Consistancy is everything.
Loss to St. Louis - this game should have at least gone to OT.
Loss to Buffalo - Green Bay was clearly the better team in this game, but they were caught looking ahead toward their game vs Minnesota.
That's 4 games that could have caused them to be in the playoffs. Unfortunately, the defensive struggles early on cost them later.
A quick start this year could produce a playoff team up in titletown again.
Young up and coming team with a solid D.
We need help on special teams, but Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy have both stated that they have really addressed that in this draft, Crosby, Hall, and Harris were all special team standouts in college.
Besides Driver we have Jennings who looked very good last year and will only improve. Ferguson is back, and although he's not great he has his moments and knows the offense as well as any of the other WRs. You also have to believe that one of the other WRs, be it Martin, Holiday, Francis, or one of the rookies will take advantage of the situation in Green Bay and end up making an impact.
Our O-line is vastly improved from just two years ago. They have a nice young group just coming into their own and showed glimpes of gelling at the end of the year last season.
If they can avoid the slow start that has plagued them the last couple of years I can see them making a run at the playoffs.
Just look at last season:
Loss to New Orleans - Up big early, then the defense deflated
Loss to Philly - a tale of two halves. Consistancy is everything.
Loss to St. Louis - this game should have at least gone to OT.
Loss to Buffalo - Green Bay was clearly the better team in this game, but they were caught looking ahead toward their game vs Minnesota.
That's 4 games that could have caused them to be in the playoffs. Unfortunately, the defensive struggles early on cost them later.
A quick start this year could produce a playoff team up in titletown again.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Probably b/c no one on earth thinks #4 will be around much longer and replacing him means a year or two of taking a step back.
shamrock84
Footballguy
SF's young players are better. Thus, SF gets more attention.
5Rings
Lurker
GB has a good team.
I just think the hype in SF is due to the "big name" moves they've made this offseason--Clements, Willis, DJax--while the Packers lost "big names" Ahman, didn't get Moss ,and (according to draftniks) took Harrell 10 picks too early.
I think if they get a decent running game, GB could challenge Chicago this year.
I just think the hype in SF is due to the "big name" moves they've made this offseason--Clements, Willis, DJax--while the Packers lost "big names" Ahman, didn't get Moss ,and (according to draftniks) took Harrell 10 picks too early.
I think if they get a decent running game, GB could challenge Chicago this year.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Yes, but what is the median age, huh??Maurile Tremblay said:
chinawildman
Footballguy
Is there a site that lists the average of only starters? I know official depth charts aren't out yet for 2007 but I believe that's one of the big reasons the niners have been getting alot of attention. They've got a solid core in place Smith, Gore, Davis and all of them are only 23 yrs old. They've got a good line that's also young. The FAs they've added aren't exactly geezers either so the team as a whole has alot of upside.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Good points here. I really didnt like the trade and felt they were giving away too much value for a virtual project at OT. If I were a niner fan, the only way to justfiy this trade would be to do well and hope that both Sam Baker and Jake Long are off the board by the Pats pick.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Subtraction by addition? Is that even possible. I don't think Lelie brings much to the table.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
True, I'd think Favre drives that average up quite a bit.
5Rings
Lurker
Not to hijack, but if you'd seen Kwame Harris play last year, you'd see why the Niners were so desperate to upgrade at RT. Project or not, he's got a legit chance to play.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Last year Washington was getting all the off-season hype. That got them where?
Kleck.
Footballguy
Even though I may have used the line a time or two here, I always felt that the idea of Green Bay being the youngest team, or one of the youngest, was a bit misleading. They currently have eight starters, along with some being very key players, that will be turning 30 this year or are already 30 or older.
Favre
Driver
Franks
Clifton
Taucher
KGB
Harris
Woodson
Favre
Driver
Franks
Clifton
Taucher
KGB
Harris
Woodson
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Make that 7. KGB isn't a starter anymore. Kampman and Cullen Jenkins are starters at DE.
Kleck.
Footballguy
True, but I'd say he's even more of a key player now since he can get back to being a pass rush specialist.
LAUNCH
Footballguy
This is a bit deceptive seeing that the Chargers signed 23 off the street free agents.
LAUNCH
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Let's see how the rosters shake out. 1/3 of these players will be cut.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Id say its because of the moves made for Clements and Jackson...no need to bring up the move on irrelevant Lelie...the guy is done.
Add in that the Packers did not go out and spend in free agency and people will not pay as much attention.
In addition, as others have said, the 9ers have gotten Smith into games...so they are ahead as far as developing their young QB. And #4 is still hanging around. For good or bad at this point.
All depends on what he has left in the tank as far as this year...but when he does hang it up, it leaves a question mark at QB.
Add in that the Packers did not go out and spend in free agency and people will not pay as much attention.
In addition, as others have said, the 9ers have gotten Smith into games...so they are ahead as far as developing their young QB. And #4 is still hanging around. For good or bad at this point.
All depends on what he has left in the tank as far as this year...but when he does hang it up, it leaves a question mark at QB.
I think the Chargers are the youngest team in the league by pretty much any measure.Let's look at just the 22 starters on offense and defense:
There are three starting positions on the Chargers open to competition: WR (Davis/Parker/Floyd), S (Weddle/Hart/Jue), and CB (Cromartie/Florence). Depending on the outcomes of those battles, the average age of the Chargers' 22 starters is between 25.9 and 26.7. (Personally, I think Davis, Weddle, and Cromartie are the favorites in those battles, which would make the average age 25.9.)
In Green Bay, if the starters are Favre, Morency, Driver, Jennings, Franks, Miree, Taucher, Spitz, Wells, Colledge, Clifton, Kampman, Jenkins, Picket, Williams, Barnett, Hawk, Poppinga, Harris, Woodson, Collins, and Manual, the average age is 27.3. Even if Rodgers starts over Favre, that brings the average age down to the highest end of the Chargers' range: 26.7.
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ninerfan
Footballguy
Don't forget that SF obtained Indy's 1st rounder in 2008. Probably won't net as low of a pick but still a good move to make up for the pick they traded to get Staley.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
LawyersMaurile Tremblay said:
LAUNCH
Footballguy
Actually it's a case of "If you don't like the rules, change the game." If you take out Allen, Bouman, Taylor, Walter, and White, who have been cut, you get a team average age of 24.8.LAUNCHLawyers
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